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First time accepted submitter zer0point writes "Apple has just announced the next-generation Macbook Pro with a retina display. Starting today you can also order a MacBook Pro upgraded with Ivy Bridge CPUs, and Nvidia graphics. Mountain Lion got some various updates, and as expected iOS 6 was announced. In rumor news, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote in a note to investors, 'Based on the release schedule for iOS 6 GM, there is a very good chance iPhone 5 will start shipping also in early September.'"
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Apple News From WWDC and iPhone 5 Rumors

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  • More Rumors (Score:5, Funny)

    by Lord Lode (1290856) on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:44PM (#40286941)

    In 2013 the iPhone 6 will be released, and in 2014 the iPhone 7.

    • by WrongSizeGlass (838941) on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:45PM (#40286949)

      In 2013 the iPhone 6 will be released, and in 2014 the iPhone 7.

      You must be using the new & improved Crystal Ball app included in iOS 6! That's amazing!

    • Re:More Rumors (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Samantha Wright (1324923) on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:58PM (#40287107) Homepage Journal
      Personally, I don't think Apple will let a numeric inconsistency like "iPhone 5 released with iOS 6" stand. They'll either bump it up to be the iPhone 6, or just stop numbering them like the iPad, and call it the 2012 model iPhone. They don't do it for their other products, after all.
      • Re:More Rumors (Score:5, Informative)

        by Anubis IV (1279820) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:13PM (#40287315)

        Personally, I don't think Apple will let a numeric inconsistency like "iPhone 5 released with iOS 6" stand.

        They let the iPhone 3G come out with iOS 2 and the 4S ship with iOS 5. That said, I do agree that they're likely to simply drop the numbering.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You're right, the year numbers are way off. Apple will redesign the calendar system in iOS 8 to end the usage of our current year numbers and start over using the release date of the original iPhone as the start of year one, and each numbered iPhone release marking the new year. As the fourth year comes to a close, I look forward to the impending simplification of our dates.

  • no 17" laptop??? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Joe_Dragon (2206452)

    People do need bigger screens and have walk round with a laptop + display is a hard and you need to power that display as well.

    • The technology presumably isn't ready for an affordable 17" retina display this year.

      And having a 17" with a significantly lower resolution than the 15" wouldn't make for a rational product line.

      Expect 17" with retina display to be next year's flagship product. In the mean-time, anyone who really needs a current-as-of-yesterday resolution 17" MBP will no doubt find some vendor with them still in stock at a discount.

      • by Anubis IV (1279820) on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:15PM (#40288273)

        I doubt that it'll be back next year. By all accounts, it was a poor seller. All of the non-retina models, with the exception of the 17", just got updates and will be continuing to be sold alongside the new retina model. The 17", meanwhile, is nowhere to be found. That's a good indication that it's a dead product and won't be making a return. Demand for an Apple laptop that large simply isn't strong enough.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:53PM (#40287047)

    You mean a product that is released every year is going to be released again this year? This is very exciting and unexpected news.

  • by erp_consultant (2614861) on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:56PM (#40287081)
    I don't like the idea of having proprietary SSD chips built on the motherboard. It makes it impossible to upgrade. I prefer the 2009 vintage MacBook Pro that I'm using now. I can upgrade the RAM and/or HD (which I've done). I can take out the optical drive and put in an SSD for the OS and keep the other HD for files (which I've also done). Too bad I can't put more than 8GB of memory in it though. Not everyone will choose to do what I've done but the point is that you have the choice. The current generation of MacBooks take those options away from you. The good news is that my MBP is still running like a champ and probably won't have to be replaced any time soon. The bad new is that it's probably the last MBP that I'll buy. It's the same reason I switched from an iPhone to an Android. There is no way to expand the storage on the iPhone. With the Android I just pop in another SD card.
    • by Dahamma (304068)

      I don't like the idea of having proprietary SSD chips built on the motherboard. It makes it impossible to upgrade.

      If it's like the Air, they are not soldered to the motherboard, they are on a small (proprietary) daughtercard. So it's not impossible to upgrade, just annoying and expensive. I guess that's the trade off for a 0.7" thick, 4.5lb laptop... no one buys Macbooks for their low price and ease of upgrade...

    • by alen (225700) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:12PM (#40287305)

      Mac's hold their value so well that its better to sell and buy a new Mac than to keep and treasure a computer for many years and upgrade it

    • by Algae_94 (2017070)
      It seems we are well into a new era where miniaturization is being done via use of proprietary components and non serviceable products. This works great for products that are just bought by non techie consumers, but people that would like to upgrade their components rather than throw the whole thing away are out of luck.
    • If you need 16GB of memory, buy it with 16B of memory in the first place.

  • by Cyrano de Maniac (60961) on Monday June 11, 2012 @02:58PM (#40287105)

    The MacBook Pro with a Retina Display of 220ppi sounds great, but I have a serious question.

    Has Apple fixed the problem with the system font being sized in a fixed number of pixels? My parents' 17" MBP with hi-res display is almost unusable with my parent's aging eyes (or even my middle-aged eyes), and it doesn't have a ppi anywhere near 220. I'm incredulous that Apple has allowed this UI flaw to persist for so long -- my parents cannot be the only ones who would appreciate a larger system font.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:08PM (#40287231)

      The point of the "retina display" resolution is that everything is doubled. 2880x1800 is going to work effectively like 1440x900. Fonts are rendered at twice the size, images are twice the size, etc.. You're not going to be looking at tiny windows with tiny fonts, you're going to be looking at normal sized windows with normal sized fonts that look much smoother - almost print like. The higher resolution just allows much more detail.

      • by Microlith (54737)

        I'm disappointed if that's how it's actually going to work. I guess Apple hasn't gotten resolution-independent UI scaling down either.

      • by shutdown -p now (807394) on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:33PM (#40288513) Journal

        Which is to say, in response to GP's actual question - the text size will be exactly the same as the older MacBook Pro, and it will still not be adjustable. So if it's too small for you today, it'll remain too small. No resolution independence is coming.

        OS X: if you can't see shit, your vision is not good enough for Apple products.

    • Yes and no (Score:4, Informative)

      by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:14PM (#40287331)

      So no in the strict sense, OS-X is still resolution dependent, it doesn't have true independent scaling like Windows 7 does. However yes in the sense of this device in that it uses the HiDPI pixel doubling trick of the iPad.

      So this screen is precisely double a 1440x900 screen, which is a pretty normal mid-rez 15" screen. What happens is if apps are flagged as HiDPI aware, they get presented with the real resolution and can render things with more detail. If not, they are presented with quarter resolution and all pixels are doubled in each direction.

      So it solves the problem in sort of a sidelong manner. It works since Apple maintains control over the hardware and thus can say "screens will be available in the following resolutions".

      • by tlhIngan (30335)

        If it's like the Air, they are not soldered to the motherboard, they are on a small (proprietary) daughtercard. So it's not impossible to upgrade, just annoying and expensive. I guess that's the trade off for a 0.7" thick, 4.5lb laptop... no one buys Macbooks for their low price and ease of upgrade...

        Actually, the Air's SSD isn't proprietary. It's called mSATA [wikipedia.org] and it's used on netbooks as well, though the Air is the primary reason these days by volume sales. It's not as easy to get, but it's part of the SAT

    • by catmistake (814204) on Monday June 11, 2012 @07:57PM (#40290433) Journal

      The MacBook Pro with a Retina Display of 220ppi sounds great, but I have a serious question.

      Has Apple fixed the problem with the system font being sized in a fixed number of pixels? My parents' 17" MBP with hi-res display is almost unusable with my parent's aging eyes (or even my middle-aged eyes), and it doesn't have a ppi anywhere near 220. I'm incredulous that Apple has allowed this UI flaw to persist for so long -- my parents cannot be the only ones who would appreciate a larger system font.

      Yes, Apple has a solution for you. It's about time you upgraded those aging parents for new shiney Apple parents! Your children are likely due for a parent upgrade as well.

  • by Sgs-Cruz (526085) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:09PM (#40287251) Homepage Journal

    I mean, it's a bit expensive ($2199 in stock configuration), but how can you look at these five lines:

    2880x1800 resolution screen (this is insane)
    256 GB solid-state hard drive
    2.3 GHz quad-core Intel i7
    8 GiB memory
    7-hour battery life

    and not want one?

    • by Shivetya (243324) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:20PM (#40287427) Homepage Journal

      Who else on the market is doing that?

      Let alone in the same form factor

      and only 4.4 lbs?

      The display beats my 27 inch iMac which has 2560x1440!

      I am really curious how well that Nvidia chip can push 5 million plus pixels in a game because you know games will/have gone there.

      I was fully expecting a 2499 entry price, the 2199 is an amazing price for what they have packaged.

      Granted your going to be buying an external optical drive if you want for around a hundred, a three year warranty for at least 250 or 350 more... so it will quickly hit 3k

      • by ceoyoyo (59147)

        "Granted your going to be buying an external optical drive if you want for around a hundred"

        Why? I was shooting some weddings and wanted to make lightscribed DVDs so I picked up an external drive - for $25. You can probably find the things on street corners now.

    • By looking at the other lines of

      Geforce 650M

      and

      No Ethernet port.

      For me, I wish to have higher end graphics since gaming is what I want my laptop for in a major way (it is mostly a mobile entertainment station for me when I go on vacation). Also, to the extent I use it for work, an Ethernet port is something I quite need. I'd rather not have to add that on as a dongle.

      So I spent the same amount on a laptop, but got a bit different hardware, more to my liking.

    • by ArsonSmith (13997)

      cause of the first line

      Apple

      Been burned by that one before.

    • by TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:42PM (#40287773)

      To all the naysayers, duh, Mac's have always been more expensive "then the rest", but then they are not marketed to people like you so get over it.

      This is impressive, a lot of tech in a very small package and you can't even find that tech in ANY of the competition yet. While I know there is significantly better values out there if you just want a new computer, when you start building a Dell or HP laptop with any where close to the same tech in something no where near as well engineered as the new Macbook, you are paying close to $2000 anyways.

      Someone said they can build 3 desktops for that money, then what? Have 3 unused boxes of crap lying around?

      Same as always, Macs are never going to be the average joe's computer, I find it difficult to imagine the average joe requiring 2880 x 1800 displays anyways. This is squarely marketed to video editors, graphic designers, developers where the added screen real-estate will be welcomed. The fact that this thing isn't $3000+ because of the Retina display (which is not a commonly stocked component ANYWHERE), it is surprising they are selling it for so cheap.

      So, don't worry you can't afford or don't want to buy this new MacBook Pro. Your comments are useless. This product is not marketed towards you and if you don't get it, then no worries. Wait for Dell's cloned version of this and while it might be cheaper, it won't be the same, but you will feel happy for 1-up'ing a Mac fanboy.

      • by Sancho (17056) * on Monday June 11, 2012 @04:20PM (#40288333) Homepage

        I find it difficult to imagine the average joe requiring 2880 x 1800 displays anyways

        That's not the point of this display. It's to provide extremely high-quality images and text at roughly the same size (in e.g. inches) as on the 1440x900 display.

        Go to Best Buy and look at the difference between the iPad2 and the iPad3 (or New iPad or whatever.) Go to a webpage and look at the text. If you see a difference, that's what they're talking about. If you don't see a difference, then the "Retina" display probably isn't for you.

  • i'm getting the fear (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Sebastopol (189276) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:16PM (#40287365) Homepage

    That is a LOT of features and behaviors. I don't feel prepared to understand and manage all of them. I feel like iOS is adding too damn much and is danger of becoming a Windows/Linux jumble of weird features in too many weird places. I want simple.

    Anyone else getting the fear?

  • by Joe_Dragon (2206452) on Monday June 11, 2012 @03:32PM (#40287617)

    they made the Optional 3.2 Quad-Core the base CPU and bumped the ram to 6gb. But why take 2 years to do that?

    But
    NO video card update (the ATI Radeon HD 5870 still costs $200 on top of base video card.) why not just make it the base video card??
    NO thunderbolt
    NO USB 3.0

  • When will the imacs, mini and mac pro get usb 3.0?? and newer video cards?

    Why just update the laptops and not the desktops?

  • by Qbertino (265505) on Monday June 11, 2012 @05:03PM (#40288879)

    Them weaving the golden cage more and more tightly every day creeps me out just as much as the next geek, but you have to admit, these guys are fucking amazing.

    Remember how shitty smartphones were before the iPhone?
    SJ said: No Flash and no carrier software on the iPhone.
    And thus endeth the era of Flash and crappy carrier scamware on phones.
    Btw., as a Flashdev I'm actually reorienting myself because of exact same incident.

    Remember how abysmally sad and sorry tablet computers were before the iPad?
    Along came Apple and sold 14 million of them tablets in the first 3 quarters. 14 fucking million!
    Thus endeth the era of Bill Gates half-assed vision of bizarly overpriced and unwieldy tablet computers.

    And now this.
    Notice how these days every geek worth his salt is bickerin about stagnation and retreat in laptop display resolution? We had a story on this here just a week ago or so.
    BAM! New MB Pro. Ahead of the pack at least 1,5 generations, hitting every other vendor on the planet on the back of their head with a Louisville Slugger Class cluestick in terms of laptop screen paradigms and a few other things.
    Just plain awesome, I have to say. ... Just wait for the MB Pro rippoffs poping up in about a year or so, just like the Ultrabook stuff.

    Apple is burning more and more Karma with me each day, but they sure to make quite a bit of it up in spades at times. Today is such a time I'd say. Cudos to them, and respect.

    My 2 cents.

  • by fa2k (881632) <pmbjornstad@@@gmail...com> on Monday June 11, 2012 @08:16PM (#40290589)
    That laptop has more pixels than my dual monitor setup!

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