Zuckerberg: Apple 'Hasn't Invented Anything Great in a While' 48
Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg criticized Apple's innovation record and business practices in a Joe Rogan podcast interview on January 10, claiming the iPhone maker has not "invented anything great in a while" and is "just sitting" on its flagship product 20 years after Steve Jobs created it.
Zuckerberg accused Apple of using arbitrary App Store rules and 30% developer fees to offset declining iPhone sales. He also said Apple blocks competitors from accessing iPhone protocols, citing Meta's failed attempt to integrate its Ray-Ban smart glasses with Apple's connectivity features. The Meta chief also criticized Apple's $3,500 Vision Pro headset, calling it inferior to Meta's $300-400 device.
Zuckerberg accused Apple of using arbitrary App Store rules and 30% developer fees to offset declining iPhone sales. He also said Apple blocks competitors from accessing iPhone protocols, citing Meta's failed attempt to integrate its Ray-Ban smart glasses with Apple's connectivity features. The Meta chief also criticized Apple's $3,500 Vision Pro headset, calling it inferior to Meta's $300-400 device.
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Never the less it's true. Even the Apple fanboys are whining that the current iPhone is nothing remarkable.
The base Mac Mini does seem popular, but how much rah-rah can you do over a new case? And the penny pinching CEO still has base storage at 256GB when the mini PC competition comes with a TB and many of them have a slot for a second NVME.
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Never the less it's true. Even the Apple fanboys are whining that the current iPhone is nothing remarkable.
Neither are the latest Androids. That's not a slight on either; we've just run out of useful things we can add to our pocket supercomputers.
Re: TLDR (Score:2)
The point is they're not really creating any other meaningful products. He cites their headset as an example, which it seems they've stopped manufacturing. Everything they've done in the last 10-20 years has just been their own spin on something else, and then they slap the word "innovative" or "breakthrough" on it, even though it's just a me too clone, and not even a good one at that. Take homepod and appletv, for example
Speak of android, all they've been doing for the last ten years is either ripping off
Re: TLDR (Score:2)
The Z Fold series is amazing: I first had the 3, and it was a total game changer for me. Upgrading to the 6 was a big enough improvement to actually be called an upgrade.
So, there's that :)
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There's nothing wrong with continuing to make and sell the same products (with minor improvements) year after year -- 99% of manufacturers do just that.
If other computer/phone manufacturers were coming out with the Hot New Thing and leaving Apple's products behind, that would be a problem for Apple, as after a while it wouldn't be able to compete anymore. However, I haven't noticed that happening.
At the risk of committing capitalistic heresy: maybe peoples' needs are already well-met, and there just isn't
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Fuck everyone in this story (Score:4, Insightful)
Fuck Joe Rogan, fuck Zuckerberg, and fuck Tim Cook
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Sorry man, they're not my type.
I prefer boobies.
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I prefer boobies.
Can't get enough of their blue feet?
Re: Fuck everyone in this story (Score:2)
I'm not sure even Europeans would say that.
https://arstechnica.com/scienc... [arstechnica.com]
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I think you mean Tim Apple.
And you have done what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And you have done what? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Except Meta hasn't come out with anything great in a while either. Facebook is what, 20 years old now?
So yeah, Z is right. But it's not like Meta has done anything great recently either.
And I don't think inventing new ways to harvest people's information really counts as doing something great, either.
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> Except Meta hasn't come out with anything great in a while either
No, except for Llama, the first open-weights AI, it was and is a revolution in AI.
Zuck knows he can brag about this.
The whole industry has done what? (Score:2)
A great deal of Apple's stuff was through acquisitions, too. Notably, the iPod and their ARM design team.
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A great deal of Apple's stuff was through acquisitions, too. Notably, the iPod and their ARM design team.
Indeed, though they did innovate enough that they have added value. Apple was an early player in ARM (when it was still called Acorn Risk Machines) and it was PA Semi the company Apple acquired to develop their chips.
Zuckerberg hasn't invented anything ever (Score:4, Insightful)
What did Zuck invent? A forum where people can post? In the 1980s that was called Usenet.
No moderation? Usenet.
No fact checking? Usenet.
Sucking up to politicians - that's been around since before ancient Greece.
What exactly ANYTHING USEFUL TO HUMANITY has Mark Zuckerberg done?
Oh he bashed Apple. That's been a thing for 45 years also.
Fuck Zuck.
Re: Zuckerberg hasn't invented anything ever (Score:5, Insightful)
He invented a platform that would allow him to steal passwords and use it to log into peoples accounts to try and manipulate them.
Cuz he wanted to get laid.
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Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks
https://www.theregister.com/20... [theregister.com]
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What did Zuck invent? A forum where people can post? In the 1980s that was called Usenet.
Sharing data on friends and family
Cambridge Analytica
Spying for device makers
Converting Whatsapp from a privacy company to an advertizing partner
Using race and sexual orientation to limit housing options
What exactly ANYTHING USEFUL TO HUMANITY has Mark Zuckerberg done?
oh.. wait a second. You thought he meant useful products for consumers, like "innovating" heart monitors into the consumer's watches to save their lives. Oh dear, naive, child. Zuckerberg is talking about important valuable things like interfering with elections and controlling the serfs (us).
Fuck Zuck.
At least you go
What has Zuckerberg invented (ever)? (Score:5, Interesting)
He built a website that was largely just a hyper-targeted version of existing social networking services (and then blew that away in the pursuit of raw subscriber growth and adverting opportunities). ...and his photo-sharing platform ...and his real-time communication platform...
He bought, did not invent, his VR platform
Everything else has been enshitifiction since then.
And? (Score:4, Interesting)
Apple certainly isn't immune to the rot; so long as you need a good 'services revenue story' at every earnings call you aren't going to loosen the screws or raise the standards in the app store; or look too closely at how much of your business is basically payment processing for children's casinos; but they seem to be succumbing to it more slowly than most; certainly more slowly than either their direct competitors or facebook are.
Back when consumer tech was still dominated by big, obvious, refinements and massive reductions in cost; rather than somebody fucking up the UI in new and hostile ways a couple of times a year, it was a lot easier to talk about 'invention' with a straight face.
And neither has zuck (Score:3, Informative)
He never had any good ideas. He implemented other people’s ideas and profited from it due to being unscrupulous. Don’t pretend he is some kind of creative gen.
Objectively, Apple's vision pro does things better than oculus(which zuck bought). No VR set will be marketing competitive until the can work in a device that weighs no more than a pair of glasses.
He is just attempting to distract from being the orange traitors bitch.
Well (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple hasn't really invented much of anything ever. Innovated, sure. But they haven't uniquely invented pretty much anything.
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Why does that simple fact upset you so much?
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Sooooo, what Zuckerberg said is just straight wrong. Because they don't invent things. It's not their thing, nor has it really ever been their thing.
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Their jam is turning impressive technical achievements into products regular people want to use, and they do it better than just about anyone.
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Exactly. But Zuckerberg didn't state that they haven't innovated anything great recently, he said invented.
DEI (Score:1)
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If Zuck did ... it would be interesting if Apple just did a hostile take over and bought that POS to shut it down.
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That would get them sued into generational poverty by their shareholders.
And what has Suckerberg actually created? (Score:3)
First against the wall when the revolution comes (Score:3)
My god, these billionaires are such whiny bitches and I, for one, am beginning to believe they are actually detrimental to a functional society. I'm tirec of them buying the control of our government and thinking they should play a fundamental role in its operations instead of just accepting the millions in tax cuts republicans want to throw at them and shutting the fuck up.
Re:First against the wall when the revolution come (Score:4, Insightful)
> I, for one, am beginning to believe they are actually detrimental to a functional society.
They absolutely are. The more concentrated power gets (and money IS power), the fewer restraints there are against malicious actions. At the same time, that money insulates them from the criticism that helps keep people on an even keel and gives them self-control. Power corrupts, and billionaires are getting pretty close to having absolute power and being absolutely corrupted.
If you have the faintest ability to comprehend the orders of magnitude involved, there is no way to justify one person controlling so much of society's wealth anyway. They are not worth that much more than other citizens, and they did not make that money on their own - they're examples of economic runaway conditions in the system, and we ought to update the system to fix things so they don't happen.
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This is becoming an hysteria. Zuckerberg hasn't done that much of anything, Tim Cook markedly less so.
Even the supervillain of the hour, Elon Musk, hasn't actually done anything to anybody, unless you count burning down Twitter. He just says stupid shit. He has no power outside managing his companies. The people who work for him can walk out the door at any ti
Introductions are in order. (Score:2)
Zuckerberg: Apple 'Hasn't Invented Anything Great in a While'
Kettle meet Pot.
Pot, kettle (Score:2)
That's rich coming from zuck, who tripped over some right-place right-time success in the 00's but bought everything since then. He's never demonstrated any vision, talent or principles, just an ability to spend money.
And now shamelessly bending over for the orange idiot. The hair and ridiculous chain aren't fooling anyone.
The only question that actually matters here (Score:4, Informative)
Neither has Zuck (Score:3)
Ever since he's been hiding that out of wedlock kid he had with one of the staff before he got married, he hasn't done much either.
Or so I've heard.
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Zuck never invented anything great.
LOL. And FakeBook hasn't invented anything. Never. (Score:3)
LOL. And FakeBook hasn't invented anything. Never. Ever.
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I think they invented the concept of hoodwinking Winklevosses.
right ... (Score:2)
Neither has Facebook. (Score:2)
They are all scum.