Zuckerberg: Apple 'Hasn't Invented Anything Great in a While' 106
Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg criticized Apple's innovation record and business practices in a Joe Rogan podcast interview on January 10, claiming the iPhone maker has not "invented anything great in a while" and is "just sitting" on its flagship product 20 years after Steve Jobs created it.
Zuckerberg accused Apple of using arbitrary App Store rules and 30% developer fees to offset declining iPhone sales. He also said Apple blocks competitors from accessing iPhone protocols, citing Meta's failed attempt to integrate its Ray-Ban smart glasses with Apple's connectivity features. The Meta chief also criticized Apple's $3,500 Vision Pro headset, calling it inferior to Meta's $300-400 device.
Zuckerberg accused Apple of using arbitrary App Store rules and 30% developer fees to offset declining iPhone sales. He also said Apple blocks competitors from accessing iPhone protocols, citing Meta's failed attempt to integrate its Ray-Ban smart glasses with Apple's connectivity features. The Meta chief also criticized Apple's $3,500 Vision Pro headset, calling it inferior to Meta's $300-400 device.
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Never the less it's true. Even the Apple fanboys are whining that the current iPhone is nothing remarkable.
The base Mac Mini does seem popular, but how much rah-rah can you do over a new case? And the penny pinching CEO still has base storage at 256GB when the mini PC competition comes with a TB and many of them have a slot for a second NVME.
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Never the less it's true. Even the Apple fanboys are whining that the current iPhone is nothing remarkable.
Neither are the latest Androids. That's not a slight on either; we've just run out of useful things we can add to our pocket supercomputers.
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The point is they're not really creating any other meaningful products. He cites their headset as an example, which it seems they've stopped manufacturing. Everything they've done in the last 10-20 years has just been their own spin on something else, and then they slap the word "innovative" or "breakthrough" on it, even though it's just a me too clone, and not even a good one at that. Take homepod and appletv, for example
Speak of android, all they've been doing for the last ten years is either ripping off
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The Z Fold series is amazing: I first had the 3, and it was a total game changer for me. Upgrading to the 6 was a big enough improvement to actually be called an upgrade.
So, there's that :)
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This isn't just about the lack of phone based innovation. It's a lack of innovation in general. When people thought phones were essentially "done" before the iPhone came out a huge paradigm shift was created with the launch of the iPhone. We've done nothing since then.
The closest anyone has come has been VR, and credit for that goes to Oculus (now owned by Facebook). But what is Apple's answer? An overpriced device that brings nothing new to the table, just the same stuff with better more expensive hardware
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VR is older than Oculus - if anything, Oculus would have been the "Apple" of VR. Which is to say, they took a bunch of things others had already done and packaged them all up in a single, much better polished product.
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There's nothing wrong with continuing to make and sell the same products (with minor improvements) year after year -- 99% of manufacturers do just that.
If other computer/phone manufacturers were coming out with the Hot New Thing and leaving Apple's products behind, that would be a problem for Apple, as after a while it wouldn't be able to compete anymore. However, I haven't noticed that happening.
At the risk of committing capitalistic heresy: maybe peoples' needs are already well-met, and there just isn't much more than needs to be "revolutionized"?
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Put the touchID back in the display like there were rumors they were going to. Face ID is a shit experience. Let them share power with a friends phone that has low battery.
My 5-year-old OnePlus has these, so I'm sure Apple will get around to "innovating" them eventually. It has face unlock too, but it's even shittier than Apple's version.
It does everything it needs to do, has a nice assortment of custom ROMs available including some deGoogled ones, and has a nifty NoIR camera you can use to spot surveillance cams and LPRs, or take pics in total darkness with an IR flashlight.
Make the back of the phone a giant touchpad so that you dont have to block the display when interacting with an app. even the lower half of it would suffice for games and stuff.
That'd be pretty damn cool, once one develops the new muscle memory for it. And not even hard -- jus
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At the risk of committing capitalistic heresy: maybe peoples' needs are already well-met, and there just isn't much more than needs to be "revolutionized"?
This has been said prior to literally every innovation in the world. I already have candles and lanterns to put light in my living room. I already have a horse carriage that I can ride to work. I already have a analogue phone which I can use to call friends. My needs are met. What else could I possibly need? - Most people cannot comprehened what they need or what can be revolutionised, it's one of the reasons that true innovation is difficult - it literally requires thinking the exact opposite of you (and y
Apple M1 (Score:2)
Apple has been creating its own processor and bus architecture letting it make fan free high performance long battery life computers. It may not be a new product category per se but it sure is innovative as it has let them create awesome performance systems.
You may recall Microsoft spent years failing at moving its OS to arm. Abysmal failure. Surfaces are still playing catchup.
I also like the expansion of my privacy on sppple with things like private relay and on board AI task specific entiiies rather t
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Never the less it's true...The base Mac Mini does seem popular, but how much rah-rah can you do over a new case?
There's invention and there's invention. Apple now seems to be turning the incremental improvement crank. Apple silicon, in particular, seems quite impressive. That's definitely an invention.
That said, Apple hasn't had a big, new hit product in a while. IIRC, their most recent hit is the watch. It's a $40 billion business, absolutely nothing to sneeze at. But it's also 10 years old (!).
For fun, let's look at the big consumer product introductions:
iMac: 1998
iPod: 2001
iPhone: 2007
iWatch: 2014
And not a lot sin
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You missed:
- iPad 2010
- AppleTV (w Apps) 2015
- HomePod 2018
- Apple Silicon (M1) 2020
- VIsionPro 2024
Of these, Apple Silicon is the most significant. The M4 Max is a mind bendingly powerful chip that completely outclasses anything from Qualcomm or Intel for AI workloads.
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Cause Apple makes products people want that do not need an account to use for it's intended purpose, and Meta makes products that require a facebook account to even use at all.
Fuck everyone in this story (Score:4, Insightful)
Fuck Joe Rogan, fuck Zuckerberg, and fuck Tim Cook
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Sorry man, they're not my type.
I prefer boobies.
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I prefer boobies.
Can't get enough of their blue feet?
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Darn, no mod points today!!! Good 'un!
Re: Fuck everyone in this story (Score:1)
I'm not sure even Europeans would say that.
https://arstechnica.com/scienc... [arstechnica.com]
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I think you mean Tim Apple.
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And you have done what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And you have done what? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Except Meta hasn't come out with anything great in a while either. Facebook is what, 20 years old now?
So yeah, Z is right. But it's not like Meta has done anything great recently either.
And I don't think inventing new ways to harvest people's information really counts as doing something great, either.
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> Except Meta hasn't come out with anything great in a while either
No, except for Llama, the first open-weights AI, it was and is a revolution in AI.
Zuck knows he can brag about this.
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But not an invention. An open source version of something already done is NOT an invention. Zuckerberg specifically used the term "invention". Facebook has never invented anything.
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All the low hanging fruit has been picked.
There's been nothing approaching innovation for 15 years now.
Whatever forced software updates you're getting, it's just enhanced surveillance functionality.
The benefits of the "upgrades" are all in favour of the company.
You? You get same thing as last year, wrapped in thicker gooier layers of bullshit.
You? You have to relearn where all the functions are after they hide more things deeper in the menus.
Have you tried to logout recently? Ever?
A lot of apps no lon
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Not wrong, just unqualified. The suggestion here is that Apple shouldn't be respected more than Facebook, yet Facebook has never "invented anything" ever.
In the grand scheme of things, these are all evil companies but Facebook is further along the evil scale than Apple is. Zuckerberg is in no position to judge, he is among the very worst, and we don't need a cretin to tell us the obvious. Marky Mark didn't invent VR glasses either, and no one wants them.
Re:And you have done what? (Score:5, Insightful)
Dude should be happy. He makes 80% margins running a fucking Skinner box.
Instead he whines that other people won't give him the access he denies others. (Try getting API access for anything useful out of FB. And he whines that he can't scrape everyone's address book without asking.)
If you don't like Apple, that's cool. None of that changes the fact that Zuckerberg is just not the equal of the smart ones. His big break was a right-place-right-time game of slapping ads on your baby pics and buying anything that threatened it.
Dude's an accountant, not a visionary.
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The whole industry has done what? (Score:3)
A great deal of Apple's stuff was through acquisitions, too. Notably, the iPod and their ARM design team.
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A great deal of Apple's stuff was through acquisitions, too. Notably, the iPod and their ARM design team.
Indeed, though they did innovate enough that they have added value. Apple was an early player in ARM (when it was still called Acorn Risk Machines) and it was PA Semi the company Apple acquired to develop their chips.
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And multi-touch, Apple's only innovation in this century.
Re: The whole industry has done what? (Score:1)
i thought that Apple's multitouch was acquired from Fingerworks, the company they bought back in 2005?
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Apple ecosystem, privacy, seamless processor chang (Score:2)
The competition has had years to study Apple, and even hire away their engineers but no one has such a user centric experience as Apple,
I don't need to care what processor I have inside. My privacy is as protected as much as possible. Devices last years. Everything works together. Apple saves time rather worrying about flash.
Apple has been creating its own processor and bus architecture letting it make fan free high performance long battery life computers. It may not be a new product category per se but i
Zuckerberg hasn't invented anything ever (Score:5, Insightful)
What did Zuck invent? A forum where people can post? In the 1980s that was called Usenet.
No moderation? Usenet.
No fact checking? Usenet.
Sucking up to politicians - that's been around since before ancient Greece.
What exactly ANYTHING USEFUL TO HUMANITY has Mark Zuckerberg done?
Oh he bashed Apple. That's been a thing for 45 years also.
Fuck Zuck.
Re: Zuckerberg hasn't invented anything ever (Score:5, Insightful)
He invented a platform that would allow him to steal passwords and use it to log into peoples accounts to try and manipulate them.
Cuz he wanted to get laid.
Re: Zuckerberg hasn't invented anything ever (Score:4, Informative)
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks
https://www.theregister.com/20... [theregister.com]
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"He invented a platform..."
No, Zuckerberg didn't invent Facebook, he was contracted to implement other people's ideas, then he stole the work.
It's the Facebook version of Musk being a "founder" or "chief engineer", just more lies.
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What did Zuck invent? A forum where people can post? In the 1980s that was called Usenet.
Sharing data on friends and family
Cambridge Analytica
Spying for device makers
Converting Whatsapp from a privacy company to an advertizing partner
Using race and sexual orientation to limit housing options
What exactly ANYTHING USEFUL TO HUMANITY has Mark Zuckerberg done?
oh.. wait a second. You thought he meant useful products for consumers, like "innovating" heart monitors into the consumer's watches to save their lives. Oh dear, naive, child. Zuckerberg is talking about important valuable things like interfering with elections and controlling the serfs (us).
Fuck Zuck.
At least you go
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What has Zuckerberg invented (ever)? (Score:4, Interesting)
He built a website that was largely just a hyper-targeted version of existing social networking services (and then blew that away in the pursuit of raw subscriber growth and adverting opportunities). ...and his photo-sharing platform ...and his real-time communication platform...
He bought, did not invent, his VR platform
Everything else has been enshitifiction since then.
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Apple certainly isn't immune to the rot; so long as you need a good 'services revenue story' at every earnings call you aren't going to loosen the screws or raise the standards in the app store; or look too closely at how much of your business is basically payment processing for children's casinos; but they seem to be succumbing to it more slowly than most; certainly more slowly than either their direct competitors or facebook are.
Back when consumer tech was still dominated by big, obvious, refinements and massive reductions in cost; rather than somebody fucking up the UI in new and hostile ways a couple of times a year, it was a lot easier to talk about 'invention' with a straight face.
And neither has zuck (Score:3, Informative)
He never had any good ideas. He implemented other people’s ideas and profited from it due to being unscrupulous. Don’t pretend he is some kind of creative gen.
Objectively, Apple's vision pro does things better than oculus(which zuck bought). No VR set will be marketing competitive until the can work in a device that weighs no more than a pair of glasses.
He is just attempting to distract from being the orange traitors bitch.
Well (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple hasn't really invented much of anything ever. Innovated, sure. But they haven't uniquely invented pretty much anything.
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Why does that simple fact upset you so much?
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Reflexively extremely defensive without even comprehending what was said and why? Sounds like being upset to me. Or just stupid. Take your pick.
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Sooooo, what Zuckerberg said is just straight wrong. Because they don't invent things. It's not their thing, nor has it really ever been their thing.
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Because it shows just how broken our economic system is. And the fact that you and may other people like you wish to do exactly the same thing without contributing anything of significance to society while taking trillions from it just sad. From influencers and crypto, to companies like Apple and Meta, who have a grand view of their worth and justify obscene level of wealth to to every person who wants to be just like them. We will not fix the global warming by reducing the population while the majority of
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People living paycheck to paycheck do more for the economy and society than any rich person does in their entire lives.
As for global warming....we would not even be here if it were not for global warming.
In the terms of needing the planet to stop suffering from an ice age for humans to prosper, yes. But the planet has never heated up as quickly as it is now in the entire history of the planet existing. It has previously never been as hot outside as it has been in recent years. We are creating/worsening our own extinction event.
Re: Well (Score:5, Informative)
Their jam is turning impressive technical achievements into products regular people want to use, and they do it better than just about anyone.
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Exactly. But Zuckerberg didn't state that they haven't innovated anything great recently, he said invented.
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I would argue innovation is far more important.
Yes and no. Because you can't innovate something good out of something not invented yet.
Electric lighting was invented 80 years before Edison.
True. But Edison never invented nor innovated anything. That's like giving Steve Jobs sole credit for the iPod instead of the engineers who actually did the work.
DEI (Score:2, Flamebait)
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If Zuck did ... it would be interesting if Apple just did a hostile take over and bought that POS to shut it down.
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That would get them sued into generational poverty by their shareholders.
And what has Suckerberg actually created? (Score:3)
First against the wall when the revolution comes (Score:3)
My god, these billionaires are such whiny bitches and I, for one, am beginning to believe they are actually detrimental to a functional society. I'm tirec of them buying the control of our government and thinking they should play a fundamental role in its operations instead of just accepting the millions in tax cuts republicans want to throw at them and shutting the fuck up.
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> I, for one, am beginning to believe they are actually detrimental to a functional society.
They absolutely are. The more concentrated power gets (and money IS power), the fewer restraints there are against malicious actions. At the same time, that money insulates them from the criticism that helps keep people on an even keel and gives them self-control. Power corrupts, and billionaires are getting pretty close to having absolute power and being absolutely corrupted.
If you have the faintest ability to comprehend the orders of magnitude involved, there is no way to justify one person controlling so much of society's wealth anyway. They are not worth that much more than other citizens, and they did not make that money on their own - they're examples of economic runaway conditions in the system, and we ought to update the system to fix things so they don't happen.
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Worse, the judge's justification. "You got elected President, the public don't want you punished".
Where I come from, judges aren't trying to be popular, they're trying to apply the law. They get the job based on a long career of legal work that appears suitably impartial and legally sound.
In the end, it looks a lot to me like this judge gave up the rule of law and is trying to look impartial while actually acting in fear of the consequences of applying a penalty.
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That is probably a counter example, would anybody give a crap if you paid a porn star not to tell and kept it secret? Let alone try to send you to jail for it. In fact judging from the election results most people who don't already hate Trump don't care either. Don't get me wrong the justice system is very bias towards the rich, money should not buy you justice, and you should not need money to get justice this is just not an example of it.
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This is becoming an hysteria. Zuckerberg hasn't done that much of anything, Tim Cook markedly less so.
Even the supervillain of the hour, Elon Musk, hasn't actually done anything to anybody, unless you count burning down Twitter. He just says stupid shit. He has no power outside managing his companies. The people who work for him can walk out the door at any ti
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And Melonia doesn't manage his own companies either, he just claims he does.
Musk is nothing more than a full-time liar, just like the new best friend that he bought for ¼ billion dollars. How stupid do you have to be to seek out the dumbest man on the planet to be your mentor?
BEGINNING? (Score:2)
Beginning? Glad you'e finally arrived at the party.
Wait until you learn what the end game of capitalism is.
Introductions are in order. (Score:2)
Zuckerberg: Apple 'Hasn't Invented Anything Great in a While'
Kettle meet Pot.
Pot, kettle (Score:2)
That's rich coming from zuck, who tripped over some right-place right-time success in the 00's but bought everything since then. He's never demonstrated any vision, talent or principles, just an ability to spend money.
And now shamelessly bending over for the orange idiot. The hair and ridiculous chain aren't fooling anyone.
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The only question that actually matters here (Score:4, Informative)
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? That is absolutely the primary goal of the latter, and a big driver of profit for the former as well.
Apple doesn't care if you waste time on their products. They really only care if you buy their products. They are not incentivized to keep you using their product as much as Facebook. Facebook does not sell you a product. Facebook sells you as a product.
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Apple doesn't care if you waste time on their products. They really only care if you buy their products.
Apple sells an ecosystem, and arguably a lifestyle as well. Yes they want you to buy their products, but they even more so want you to keep buying their products. And the more you use their products the more you are likely to keep going back. Spend enough time with Apple products, and they expect you'll take more fondness to them. If you bought an iPhone 11 but not an iPhone 12, then something went wrong. They want every customer to be a repeat customer.
I recall some 25 or so years ago they even h
Neither has Zuck (Score:3)
Ever since he's been hiding that out of wedlock kid he had with one of the staff before he got married, he hasn't done much either.
Or so I've heard.
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Zuck never invented anything great.
LOL. And FakeBook hasn't invented anything. Never. (Score:3)
LOL. And FakeBook hasn't invented anything. Never. Ever.
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I think they invented the concept of hoodwinking Winklevosses.
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But stealing from VC is a tried and true method, as Musk and Altman. It's just a bit more difficult than stealing from family, as Trump, Epstein and Maxwell did.
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Neither has Facebook. (Score:2)
They are all scum.
Apple (Score:2)
Zuckerberg misunderstands Apple.
Apple doesn't invent. Pretty much everything that Apple has ever done had been invented by someone else somewhere else. But more often than not, Apple is the company that manages to turn an invention into a product.
Nothing in the iPhone was entirely new. Steve Jobs himself said it in the original presentation: It is an iPod, a mobile phone and a mobile Internet device, just in one machine. That combination turned out to be killer and created the whole smartphone genre. But no
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"Nothing in the iPhone was entirely new."
That part is true.
"It is an iPod, a mobile phone and a mobile Internet device, just in one machine. That combination turned out to be killer and created the whole smartphone genre."
That is a lie.
Snartphones had existed for a decade when the iPhone came out, and the iPhone was NOT originally a smartphone. It was a fixed function device.
Literally everything in the iPhone already existed in the market and the form factor did too. The sole innovation was capacitive touch, something Apple acquired.
Apparently you think Symbian, Palm and Windows phone didn't exist before iPhone, how old are you?
Redirect attention (Score:1)
Zuck tries to shift our attention to this meaningless whining instead of him destroying the remaining bits of responsibly managing the Meta platforms.
Privacy and permissions control for apps... (Score:2)
which seems to be a data sharing party for Google/Meta/Tiktok/Uber/MS/Amazon etc.
Basically, pay Apple tax for the HW and you get more control over the Applications that run on your phone.
Buy an cheaper Android phone and you are paying with your data integrity.
Suckerman wanting me NOT to buy Apple seems like a pretty good selling point in times like these.
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Zuckerberg hasn't invented anything at all.
And when did Facebook EVER invent anything? (Score:2)
What have the Romans ever done for us (Score:2)
"Except provide me this M4 Pro Macbook I'm typing this comment on that has seemingly endless battery life."
Well of course, but other than that...