Apple VP Leaves Company After Vulgar Comment Goes Viral On TikTok (cnbc.com) 260
Apple's vice president of procurement, Tony Blevins, has left the company after a TikTok video showed him making a vulgar comment about women at a car show. CNBC reports: An Apple representative confirmed the departure to CNBC, saying, "Tony is leaving Apple." The departure was spurred by a TikTok video posted Sept. 5, according to Bloomberg, which first reported the news. In the video, reviewed by CNBC, Blevins is getting out of an expensive Mercedes-Benz sports car and is asked what he does for a living by Daniel Mac, who has a channel centered around asking people in expensive cars questions. In the video, Blevins responds, "I race cars, play golf and fondle big-breasted women. But I take weekends and major holidays off." The remark appears to be a reference to a similar quote in the movie "Arthur." It was viewed 1.3 million times, according to the TikTok page. "Blevins was a VP at Apple," notes CNBC. "His main role was to negotiate with suppliers to keep the price Apple pays for computer parts down, according to a Wall Street Journal profile of Blevins from 2020."
frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
It was a joke, not a "vulgar" comment. No one can take a joke, and certainly not the wokists at Apple apparently.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Funny)
Don't defend him. He is toxic now, and that is absolutely contagious. Anyone with a positive association with him, including arguing in his defense, is guilty by association and a misogynist.
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Something tells me that this guy will not have much trouble getting a job somewhere else if he wants one. Being the VP of the world's most profitable electronics company looks pretty good on a resume.
Sure, he won't be able to get a job at another hyper-woke silly valley tech company like Google or Facebook. I'd imagine that some less PC foreign tech company like Samsung or Lenovo isn't going to have the same issues with his joke from the 80s.
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It's not just California. I kinda liked this news:
US Judge Won’t Hire Yale Law Clerks Citing ‘Cancel Culture’ [bloomberglaw.com]
Seems some people are indeed getting fed up.
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US Judge Won’t Hire Yale Law Clerks Citing ‘Cancel Culture’ [bloomberglaw.com]
But that is really just another form of "Cancel Culture".
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"Cancel culture" is "you said something we don't like so now we'll dig dirt up dirt on you to destroy your live, career, livelihood, and everything else we can think of, and we'll shout you down at every opportunity".
Vividly illustrated in the piece titled "I was the mob until the mob came for me." [sott.net]
There's even a book about it, with copious examples of how "cancel culture" works.
This is "these law graduates come loudly and obnoxiously prejudiced and biased and so cannot do the job, best not hire them". Th
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Most people consider it ok to kill someone who is attempting to kill their family. Its not hypocrisy, its dutiful defense of one's loved-ones.
Similarly, it is widely considered ok to execute murderers.
And, it is widely considered ok to hate racists or sexists.
So, by this same moral stance, it should be ok to refuse to do business with those who participate in and openly encourage cancel culture.
Re: frevvins sake (Score:4, Insightful)
Nope.
I'm not arguing that people be tolerant against intolerance, I'm arguing that people be tolerant against other people in their attempt to voice opinions.
You don't have to like the opinions; but even if the guy standing on podium is an intolerant asshole in his other job, maybe that's not why he's here for totday; and even if that's what he is here for, it's not the voicing of a point of view that makes up intolerance, it's... wait for it... acting intolerantly. "Cancelling" someone for no more their known or presumed thought affiliation, on the other hand, is acting intolerantly.
So, by all means, act up against intolerance when you see any, don't tolerate it; but don't become an intolerant asshole yourself out of misguided attributions based in identity politics.
A woke variant of "six lines"? (Score:2)
https://history.stackexchange.... [stackexchange.com]
"Cardinal Richelieu is frequently quoted as saying, "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.""
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So... the 75+ million people who voted Republican in the last election are all "far-right extremists"? Talking about moving the goalposts!
And... if there wasn't a very good chance that Trump could get reelected, the Democrats and their minions in the press wouldn't be working so hard to find something, anything, to use to destroy him.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:4, Interesting)
Not sure that's accurate, from his comment it seems he actually likes women or, at least, parts of them.
But more to the point, objectification isn't necessarily misogyny -- at least according to a quick Google search.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't defend him. He is toxic now, and that is absolutely contagious. Anyone with a positive association with him, including arguing in his defense, is guilty by association and a misogynist.
Isn't it strange that a man can say he likes women, and that makes him a misogynist?
But seriously, he's a dumbass for not remembering that sexism is alive and well.
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>Isn't it strange that a man can say he likes women, and that makes him a misogynist?
The way he said it, no.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:4, Insightful)
>Isn't it strange that a man can say he likes women, and that makes him a misogynist?
The way he said it, no.
Is a woman who says she likes men with big penises a woman tho hates men? How about that eggplant emoji they send to each other?
MY SO always has a comment or two about guy's packages. - she will make remarks about men's "bulges" - In your book she hates men. Erm - no, she rather likes men.
But to be serious, the extent of sheer hatred of men today has escalated to the point where the most hateful things can be said about a man, and no one bats an eye.
Imagine if a male posted something like this: https://www.dailywire.com/news... [dailywire.com]
And here we are, where a man can say he likes large breasted women and must lose his career, but a woman can say, and I quote "All men are rapists and should be put in prison then shot.”
I'm certain that was just a bit of humor, amirite?
Or where a song like "Baby, It's cold outside" is some sort of misogynist anthem. When my SO listened to it, she said "I used to tell you that stuff when we were dating!"
Respectfully - and I don't know if you are male or female, you have your leads crossed. humans are sexual creatures with a wide range of likes and dislikes. And that means both men and women. A man who notes that he likes large breasted women is no more a woman hater than a woman who says she likes amply endowed men.
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Is a woman who says she likes men with big penises a woman tho hates men? How about that eggplant emoji they send to each other?
For one, is not 'hates' women but rather being overly dismissive of women as anything more than ornamentation. While the phenomenon describe does exist about males, I can tell you that in terms of being so plainly objectified as a man personally, there's been very few people that have done that straight to my face (or other areas) and those few people also engaged with me as a full human being, and really only did so after getting to know me a bit. Socially, a lot of women get objectified by complete stra
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The only people who say that a man expressing interest in women is misogny are an echo chamber of morons who don't believe it but can't form coherent arguments so just parrot the same nonsense strawmen.
It's pretty sad. My SO says some stuff about guys that if a guy said it - substituting the sex of course, he'd be tarred and feathered. She doesn't hate men. But he'd be accused of hating women. Here's the test. She is a fan of package bulges. Now have a guy say that about camel toes.
It is merely malicious projection, where thy accuse a presumed enemy of what hatred they have in their heads.
Watch how long it takes for someone to call us incels. Of course, it's just another misandryst insult that no l
Re:frevvins sake (Score:4, Insightful)
He said he fondles them, not that he's fond of them. There's a substantial difference there, and if you don't know what it is, then you're probably a heel.
The only possible connotation I can get out of that statement is that if a man likes to fondle women, but is not fond of them, he is a rapist. I do trust that you are not saying that this man is a rapist.
If I had meant rapist, I would have said rapist. A quick glance over my posting history proves I'm not shy about that sort of thing.
Living in this day and age, the only prudent course is to never mention anything regarding women at all, especially about any aspects of physical form.
That's nonsense, except for the physical form part. You can compliment a woman, but don't go making generalizations.
Normal men who would never want to be a problem for women, are sitting back and observing the intolerance. They have come to understand that one wrong word, even in jest, and they are terminated.
We got to this point because of a bunch of men treating women poorly, in and out of the workplace, and not enough other men doing enough to stop it. Now we've got some apparent overcorrection happening, but it's apparently necessary.
I used to cry overcorrection but then I realized that if you don't have it, then problems don't get addressed, because people downplay the severity of problems when they are profiting from them.
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I am pretty sure he was being sarcastic. And/or correctly stating what someone on the far left would actually believe.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
We need a mod -1 Woosh, over the head.
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I was describing an "is," not an "ought." Put more simply: I wasn't advocating for anything, I was merely describing a reality of current culture (presented as a warning).
More reading about the is-ought problem [wikipedia.org], if you are interested.
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And yet you lacked the obligatory '/s' for sarcasm. Sorry, my dude, backpedaling can be hard.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
Just in case you don't know, approximately 100% of straight men would be in agreement with Mr. Blevins proclivities.
Speak for yourself! I'm a straight man but I don't want to fondle the breasts of just anyone, even if I could do so without negative consequence. I also hate golf (except mini golf) and I drive like a grandpa. I like fruity cocktails and cry at the movie Totoro. I refuse to take any action that's driven by anger.
There's a culture of encouraging men to act as if they're testosterone poisoned. I like to undermine it when I can.
Women tend to be much better than men at accepting diversity of gender expression. I'd like to encourage men to feel like it's OK not to act like a stereotypical bro, especially if you don't actually feel like a bro. Man to man, if you also don't feel like performing maleness that isn't really in your heart, that's OK by me. It doesn't make you gay or any less of a valid person.
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I do like brown drinks but think they would benefit form those neat little umbrellas, I don't have an especially sweet tooth, and I find I can guzzle fruity drinks like they're fruit juice. I like both mini and regular vans over sports cars I stick to the speed limit and have never played golf. Oddly enough though I look pretty stereotypical from the outside. I don't like spectator sports on the whole but I do like yoga.
Oh also do you know what else I don't do? Crack crude jokes about my employer on video.
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He's not trying to attract you, and you are not nearly the expert on the other gender that you think you are.
He's also not obligated to desire the kind of lifestyle you so desperately crave. Feel free though to write a letters to penthouse style reply telling us all very believable sorries about how much money you have and how much sex you're having to demonstrate your "alphaness". It's super believable when nerds start bragging about how they are the pinnacle of traditional, heavily stereotyped masculinity
Re: frevvins sake (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do I get the feeling that if this was Tim Cook, and instead of "big breasted women" he said "men with big dicks" the media would be all over it saying how brave he is instead of trying to get him fired?
It would be like that time when Bruce Jenner killed somebody and sued one of his victims, the media instantly forgot about the whole thing and labeled him a hero for claiming to be a woman.
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The media would wonder why Tim Cook suddenly can't stop talking about dicks. The court proceedings to determine his sanity would be a winner in the ratings.
Then again... here in reality, businessmen don't get ahead by talking about dicks. Not even if they're gay. If anything, that makes it worse.
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It was a vulgar joke. I for one am not offended by this level of vulgarity, nor indeed a significantly higher one, but optics matter — especially since Apple is first and foremost a [life]style company. I am not an Apple customer, nor even a potential Apple customer really (I've been an Apple user before, no thanks) so the fact that I'm not offended is irrelevant.
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Optics do matter.
And the optics on this make Apple look pretty bad.
Re: frevvins sake (Score:2)
I think it looks bad in the sense that anybody ought to think twice before accepting a job offer from Apple.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
It's s shitty crude joke. I love a good crude joke, and that really wasn't one. But that's irrelevant.
The main problem is he made a crude joke about his employer, one that famously does not have anything approaching a sense of humor, especially with regards to its image.
What's "surprising" is how many right wingers object to a for profit company doing exactly what for profit companies are meant to do and protecting its profit. Hell, they had a fiduciary duty to fire the guy if anything.
Re: frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the real point: it's not about any "side" taken, it's all about the Benjamins. Company decides firing an employee is better for their bottom line.
People might read more into that story to support their own biases, but the one that matters is money.
Want to be a VP? Don't say anything publicly that could cause controversy, therefore hurting profits.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly. I wasn't offended by the joke either, but it displayed a pretty glaring lack of judgment. If you're the VP of procurement for one of the world's highest-profile companies, it stands to reason that anything tasteless you say in public can reflect poorly on your employer. Any statement/action that puts your employer in a bad light is likely to have them reconsidering the cost/benefit ratio of your continued employment. Whether it's fair or not doesn't matter - I could see the same thing happening to a Ford executive after having been photographed driving his Tesla around town.
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It WAS a joke and wasn't even that vulgar. But it doesn't matter. We knew this was coming when Donglegate happened, and it's only gotten so much worse. At least back then everyone seemed to agree Adria Richards was an overly sensitive crybully.
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It WAS a joke and wasn't even that vulgar.
I'm not getting it. In what sense was it a joke? What was the humor?
I reckon humor always boil down to a disparity between how you expect it to turn out and how it actually does. The film Arthur which he was quoting was funny because of its disparities -- notably, you expect the guy to behave properly in public, but he behaves with vulgarity and inappropriately. This wouldn't have been funny unless the expectation had been built up first. Otherwise, it would have been simply vulgar and inappropriate without
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It opens him up to all sorts of accusations at work. Accusations that he treated some employees unfairly because of their bra size, or even lack of a bra.
Part of the responsibility of being that high up in a company is that you don't show any prejudice or favouritism towards any of your employees.
As for "wokists", it was probably HR that contacted him with a request to apologise and make it clear he was joking. The fact that he quit suggests that maybe he was thinking of leaving anyway. He's probably wealth
Re: frevvins sake (Score:3)
Being pressured into resigning isn't quitting. Though he was probably told "you have a choice of resigning and making a public apology, and we'll give you a $10 million severance that you can't tell anybody about, or you can go out the hard way and get nothing, and we might even reveal some of your past indiscretions that we've let slide along the way."
Re: frevvins sake (Score:2)
Oh and indiscretions can be things like this: One time, I was tucking my shirt in while I was walking out of my office, and a female employee complained, loudly, that I was putting my hand in my pants. Plenty of witnesses saw it, and nobody thought it was a sexual thing except for her. Nonetheless, she complained to HR, and I had to be formally written up over it. Throughout the remainder of the four years that I worked there, it was never brought up again.
Nonetheless, if they ever wanted something to hold
He was quoting the movie Arthur (Score:3, Interesting)
It was a joke!! If the PC/Woke crowd don't understand why even us Middle of the road Democrats are getting tired of this crap ... perfect example. If you look at what apple pays for components vs what they sell the phones for then this guy was doing an awesome job. Pretty Sure Samsung wouldn't fire a VP for saying that.
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Actually I as a very anti-Woke center-right person have no particular problem with this firing, Apple wants to present a certain image that helps them make the most money, and they calculated that given their customer base this step is best for their business. Google firing that engineer over making a reasoned argument a few years back is far worse in my book.
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Apple did him a favor
Re:frevvins sake (Score:4, Insightful)
Nah man... he was dumb. Don't defend dumb people.
It was a joke *and* it was an inappropriate comment for an executive to make in a public setting.
If he had made this in a private setting and someone video taped it and released it, I'd be in his court. But this was just a dumbass move on his part.
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Agreed
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Was he working? Was he at his place of employment? Was he in the company of any Apple employees? Does he have a reasonable case of wrongful dismissal?
(true) freedom of speech is important; we should all be aware of what we are saying and self-censor to a reasonable degree (a filter on what you say rather than stream of consciousness).
There isn't a line with what is appropriate to say... it is just a huge grey zone. Neutering all speech to the point that you don't risk offending anyone is grossly counter
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Was he working? Was he at his place of employment?
Yes. When you are a corporate officer in public you are at work. Doubly so when a camera is pointed at you. Unless you have an explicit expectation of privacy, you are on the clock. That's literally how it has always worked.
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>Was he working? Was he at his place of employment? Was he in the company of any Apple employees? Does he have a reasonable case of wrongful dismissal?
Yes. No. ?. No.
Any further questions?
>There isn't a line with what is appropriate to say... it is just a huge grey zone.
Correct. Any fool could have seen that this may be in the "firing" part of that grey zone.
>Neutering all speech to the point that you don't risk offending anyone is grossly counter-productive.
What was supposed to be the "productive
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"But people would make a big deal out of his joke would make a big deal about him visiting a strip club,"
The fact that you had to change the argument and put words in his mouth speaks volumes about whether the joke was appropriate.
To your straw man, I don't think people would have batted an eye if a single executive went to a reputable strip club and didn't overly misbehave. Once my company was going to have me meet with an executive at a client, but he got fired the week before as a result of his visit to
Re:frevvins sake (Score:4, Informative)
It was a joke, not a "vulgar" comment. No one can take a joke, and certainly not the wokists at Apple apparently.
Its neither. It's just a line from the 1980s movie Arthur.
.... something.
Apparently, anyone who has ever watched the move Arthur should be immediately fired from their job because
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Ask the next woman you meet in the street, rather than us.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
WTF, quoting an obscure movie isn't a get out of gaol free card.
Apple was executing it's fiduciary duty to protect the carefully curated image they have created in order to make vast profits. Companies gonna company. Don't crack jokes implicating your employer in public, whether or not the joke is on the form of a movie quote.
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Apparently, anyone who has ever watched the move Arthur should be immediately fired from their job because .... something.
Just because you watch porn doesn't mean you should go around sticking you dick into every nurse you see. Not being original isn't a defence.
Re:frevvins sake (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, the reason you can't think of the ".... something" is because he wasn't actually fired for watching "Arthur." That was a stupid thing to say. Are you drunk?
He wasn't fired for quoting a line from "Arthur" either, so don't stumble there.
The problem was that he CHOSE that quote as an answer to "what do you do for a living." Joking or not, he said he plays for a living and that big boobs are expensive toys like fast cars and golf balls (well, okay, golf balls aren't expensive, but the implied private club memberships are).
If, as VP of a company, I went to my suppliers and other partners and told the women who work there that breasts are toys I like to play with, and the bigger the better, I would expect to lose some partnerships and subsequently get fired.
If, as VP of a company, I went to my female employees and told them that I prefer large-breasted women and I can get them because I'm rich and money is all large-breasted women care about, I would expect to lose some employees and subsequently get fired.
If, as VP of a company, I forget that the price for being near the top of the ladder is never getting a day off as the face of the company and start talking to a public figure like he's a bro who then shares what I said to my partners and employees, I would expect to lose partnerships, lose employees, embarrass the company, and subsequently get fired.
Does this clear up some of the mystery of appropriate, respectful behaviour for you?
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This is a VP. He left of his own accord. Did someone on the board let him know that he needed to leave? Yeah, absolutely. But as anyone in senor staff will tell you, someone sitting on the board has to call up action on staff if the person will not leave when asked. Presidents and VPs of units aren't low level staff, there are contracts involved and I'm just going to assume that guy in video is somewhat smart and knows this.
Tony Blevins is 47 and VP level at Apple. He was asked to leave and highly lik
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Yeah but I liked it better when the invisible hand was punching someone else in the nuts.
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It was a joke, not a "vulgar" comment. No one can take a joke, and certainly not the wokists at Apple apparently.
In today's world, a man must make as few comments as possible, and never anything regarding women.You are warned.
Amy Schumer can make many disgusting comments about genitalia or race and it is just being brave and stunning https://www.complex.com/pop-cu... [complex.com].
I guess that's different..
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At the executive level it is common for there to be a clause in your employment contract stating that anything you do (even in your private life) that reflects poorly on the company is cause for dismissal.
In this case, it was a sarcastic remark, quoting (paraphrasing?) a movie line, made off the cuff to a random blogger at a non-work event. The effect of it being publicised made Apple look bad... so he is in violation of his contract -and fired.
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It was a joke, not a "vulgar" comment.
I guess I'm not getting it. What was the intended humor?
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Agreed.
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The guy was a teenage prick. Fuck him. Maybe he will grow up now.
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It was a joke, not a "vulgar" comment. No one can take a joke, and certainly not the wokists at Apple apparently.
Yeah well when you're a VP / CxO earning f-you money you don't get to make sexist jokes publicly anymore. It's a price you need to pay and frankly I'm not sad for the guy (and he'll probably get over it crying into a $2000 bottle of whiskey).
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It was a joke that repeated someone else's words, but that doesn't complete absolve the speaker of all responsibility. Just like the Phoenix Suns' owner Robert Sarver who quoted other people that used the n-word and was unable to simply deflect all blame by claiming it was someone else's words. The speaker still has the choice to repeat those words or not.
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The guy makes at least half a million a year.
Oh. I guess hating him or punishing him or discrediting him for any reason or for no reason is ok then.
Making more in a year than most hard-working people do in a decade should require a much higher standard of professionalism and public image maintenance.
Does this mean Apple products will cost more? (Score:3)
Since "His main role was to negotiate with suppliers to keep the price Apple pays for computer parts down" and he's no longer there, does this mean Apple will pay more for parts and pass on those costs to the consumer? Or will he just be replaced by some other obnoxious guy who says "You're breaking my balls" on the phone until the price gets lowered?
Re:Does this mean Apple products will cost more? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's funny that you think the price Apple pays for computer parts has anything to do with the price you pay for their products.
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Its the new normal. Correct and permitted male sexual desire exists only in the context of subservience to women. Men are allowed to express a desire to please women. Men are not allowed to express a desire to engage women in a way that pleases themselves.
Pleasing woman = empowerment.
Pleasing man = exploitation.
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Dude, we've had 20 thousand years of being dominant over woman. It's time we accepted we need to be equal. Pushing the balance in their direction for a while seems reasonable.Chill.
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If you don't like a for profit company operating in a way that offends your morals, you could advocate for much tighter regulation of companies. The left has realised for ages they deregulated profit does not drive behaviour that's good for society. Sounds like the right are realising this too now.
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It feels like cultural cleansing. There is a *lot* in the past 20 years that has been shouted out and no longer accepted, despite that it's history (Looney Tunes).
I wonder, has any other country in the world ever gone through a Cultural Revolution before?
It's a free market and a free country... (Score:2)
It feels like cultural cleansing. There is a *lot* in the past 20 years that has been shouted out and no longer accepted, despite that it's history (Looney Tunes).
I wonder, has any other country in the world ever gone through a Cultural Revolution before?
If this guy is actually valuable, I am sure someone else will snatch him up. What do you want to wager he's as big of a dumbass as he looks like?
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Not really. When you get to that level you directly affect the brand an public image of a company. Sorry but when your paycheck includes that many zeros you don't get to make crude or embarrassing jokes on camera anymore. He's more than welcome to work as a janitor and then talk about boobs all he wants.
Maybe it's time ... (Score:4, Insightful)
"... who has a channel centered around asking people in expensive cars questions."
Might be time to respond to "influencers" with 4 little words "None of your business." instead of trying to be funny or whatever. It's honestly nobody's business why he has that car. The dude should have known he would be roasted for this. it's not like it hasn't happened before. Folks need to be a little less open because a large swath of the planet has lost their damn minds.
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I for one applaud his response to late capitalism- who knew you could make a living simply asking 'what do you do for a living?' he is like this squirrel https://www.genolve.com/design... [genolve.com]
The contraditctions of modernity (Score:5, Insightful)
On the one hand, we're supposed to be so cool, so free from the shackles and hangups of our awful puritan past.
But on the other hand, we still have a list of sexual taboos, except that the list is now ever-shifting, and oh yeah, there's none of that forgiveness garbage the actual Puritans were always going on about either.
What an improvement ...
Re:The contraditctions of modernity (Score:4, Insightful)
The people who like shaming people into submission always go with whatever the dominant ideology is. It's the same people doing this crap that it always was, they're just not pretending that they're doing it because of Christianity because they helped make that unpopular.
Dumbass (Score:3)
Even if we set aside all the "PC BS" for the moment, he was a high-ranking executive in a huge company that has tremendous visibility.
Part of the role of VP, CxO, whatever is that you are charged with advancing the best interests of the company. You are paid tons of money to work toward that goal, all the time. His failure to recognize the damage his comment could do in the public eye indicates that he should have; STFU, been more situationally aware (and adjusted his language accordingly), or gotten a job where comments like that are tolerated.
Maybe Gain Fancy Title always ends in Ego Trip & Recklessness. Dunno.
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Do you have any idea just how many VPs a company like Apple has? I personally have known about a dozen over the years. Sure, they have ~200-500 reports below them, but that is really about it.
Sure, if he was SVP of HR that would be different story...
Isn't a boorish VP like an ugly prostitute? (Score:2)
Part of the role of VP, CxO, whatever is that you are charged with advancing the best interests of the company. You are paid tons of money to work toward that goal, all the time. His failure to recognize the damage his comment could do in the public eye indicates that he should have; STFU, been more situationally aware (and adjusted his language accordingly), or gotten a job where comments like that are tolerated.
Well said. Most non-founder VPs are pretty useless entitled people with excellent social skills, but nothing else tangible. Every VP at my company is useless, but well dressed and well spoken...pleasant and popular, but dumber than a bag of hammers. They seem to be hired to be pleasant people to work with, but no real technical chops or business experience. They put on a good face for the division and are likeable. So...if you're dumb enough to make that joke, which isn't particularly funny and definit
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Even if we set aside all the "PC BS" for the moment, he was a high-ranking executive in a huge company that has tremendous visibility.
Part of the role of VP, CxO, whatever is that you are charged with advancing the best interests of the company. You are paid tons of money to work toward that goal, all the time. His failure to recognize the damage his comment could do in the public eye indicates that he should have; STFU, been more situationally aware (and adjusted his language accordingly), or gotten a job where comments like that are tolerated.
Maybe Gain Fancy Title always ends in Ego Trip & Recklessness. Dunno.
This is an important point. If it was some engineer I'd have more sympathy for the "cancel culture" complaints.
But this guy was an executive who got paid a lot of money to, among other things, not go viral by making an obscure and somewhat crude joke.
It sucks for him, but there's extra responsibilities that come with a position like that.
Inclusivity (Score:3)
The reference (Score:5, Informative)
The quote is in the trailer:
https://youtu.be/cEKosvK6EWw?t... [youtu.be]
Arthur: "I race cars, I play tennis, I fondle women, but I have weekends off and I am my own boss"
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This is Apple we are talking about (Score:3, Funny)
Angling for a career change (Score:2)
Err... (Score:2)
"I race cars, play golf and fondle big-breasted women."
Who doesn't?
Re: Err... (Score:3)
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Does "fondle" imply lack of consent? (Score:2)
If there was some implication of either coerc
#BKS - What happened to sense of humor?!? (Score:2)
-Serious Business. All day every day - must be a boring life.
Or...making jokes about women's breasts.... (Score:2)
Did the internet kill it or something else? The number of people that don't do funny is sadly on the rise. Or is it that people just like to be outraged even if something is clearly meant as humor so that they have something to post on social media? Let's call it 'Bored Kitten Syndrome'. #BKS -Serious Business. All day every day - must be a boring life.
...are not a part of Apple's values for their executives. If it's not for you, don't rush to replace him at his newly vacated position at Apple. I don't feel comfortable telling Apple what their behavior code for executive should and shouldn't be. Maybe Apple is just a shit place to be an executive at. I don't know. I don't care. I don't think this man's fate is an injustice. If he was that valuable they would have found a way to make things work...maybe some discipline or a short suspension. My gue
This crap is rampant. (Score:2)
The phrase was (roughly) "bitching about it doesn't make it go any faster." Some sociopath medical assistant and woke office manager found it apparently highly offensive.
It worked out in my favor, though. This company had gone from bad to worse over the past few months after they sold out to some corporate mafia, and they had a contr
Laughing all the way to the bank... (Score:3)
It's not like some normal worker, he's an executive. They are hired with a legal contract. Don't cry for him and certainly don't take glee in his termination.. He is laughing all he way to the bank. He's worked for Apple for 22 years. He has stock options and a huge salary and one heck of a golden parachute severance package. They might even pay out the remainder of his contract. He didn't resign he was forced to resign and will still get his severance package. Plus keep all the stock he's accumulated much of it when it was very cheap. Apple just wants the bad PR to go away, half the executives likely got the Arthur movie reference and chuckled. It was truly funny.
If the man decides to retire, he's certainly got the funds to do so. Or he might take the rest of the year off and seek another job. He's a tough negotiator who has saved Apple a billion or more of the years. His job is to negotiate a deal. He once sent a certified letter via FedEx to UPS when negotiating a deal with UPS. He's negotiated with Corning for the glass used in the Apple Campus and Apple Stores.
He would be better off (Score:2)
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In other words, apple have always cared very deeply about their image. This action is just then chasing profit as always because their image and brand is worth a trillion dollars. You of all people should understand the profit motive. Taking a joke or stepping out of line is not profitable.