iPhone 7 Finishes Last In New Test of Battery Life (betanews.com) 292
"Pitted against the Samsung Galaxy S7, HTC 10 and LG G5, Apple's latest handset came in last place... and by some distance," reports BetaNews. Here's the results of a new test from the U.K. consumer advocacy group, Which?:
We compared the iPhone 7's battery life, when making calls and browsing the web, to those of three top Android competitors: the Samsung Galaxy S7, HTC 10 and LG G5, and the results were staggering. While the iPhone 7's 712 minutes of call time (nearly 12 hours) may sound acceptable, the rival Samsung Galaxy S7 lasted twice as long -- and it doesn't even have the longest lasting battery. The HTC 10 lasted an incredible 1,859 minutes (that's almost 31 hours).
When it comes to internet browsing time, arguably the more important measurement, the results were a lot closer...but the iPhone 7 still came bottom. The 615 minutes of battery life offered by the iPhone 7 is 25 minutes less than its nearest rival, the LG G5, and 175 minutes less than the top performing HTC 10.
The researchers point out that the iPhone 7 has a smaller battery -- but that's leaving critics unimpressed. The Guardian newspaper is asking, "How good can a phone be if the battery doesn't last even a day?"
When it comes to internet browsing time, arguably the more important measurement, the results were a lot closer...but the iPhone 7 still came bottom. The 615 minutes of battery life offered by the iPhone 7 is 25 minutes less than its nearest rival, the LG G5, and 175 minutes less than the top performing HTC 10.
The researchers point out that the iPhone 7 has a smaller battery -- but that's leaving critics unimpressed. The Guardian newspaper is asking, "How good can a phone be if the battery doesn't last even a day?"
Battery size doesn't matter (Score:4, Interesting)
Battery size is the old MHz (GHz) game that CPU manufacturers (mostly) used to play. It's more about system optimization and total component draw vs that battery installed. Especially now that most flagship phones don't come with easily removable batteries, and NO flagship phone allows for hotswapping of a backup battery, the unit as an assembly is what really matters most.
Re:Battery size doesn't matter (Score:5, Informative)
Battery size is the old MHz (GHz) game that CPU manufacturers (mostly) used to play. It's more about system optimization and total component draw vs that battery installed.
That's funny, they don't even mention the battery capacities of each phone until you click through to the detailed blog post, just how long each phone lasts with it's battery. So what's your complaint exactly?
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Come on, it took courage to say what he said, except what you read was not what he meant. It takes batteries, too.
How good? Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
Since it has no headphone jack, I'll never have to make that evaluation; Apple trashed the design, so it's not even in the running here.
I guess that's what happens when your flagship computer... is a trashcan.
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Since it has no headphone jack, I'll never have to make that evaluation; Apple trashed the design, so it's not even in the running here.
I guess that's what happens when your flagship computer... is a trashcan.
I hope you fully appreciate the courage it takes to force people to buy your propietary headphones instead of buying whatever headphones they like. Courage.
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Seriously? It doesn't matter? (Score:5, Interesting)
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What planet do you live on? I for one, DEMAND a large battery, because I don't like being a "wall wart" trying to find some place to charge my phone, just to make it through the day.
Something tells me a road rage incident is in your future. The color of someone's car will push you over the edge.
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What planet do you live on? I for one, DEMAND a large battery, because I don't like being a "wall wart" trying to find some place to charge my phone, just to make it through the day.
Something tells me a road rage incident is in your future. The color of someone's car will push you over the edge.
I think there are two possible factors that may not have been taken into account:
1. Was the testing accidently (or deliberately) designed to NOT allow the iPhone 7 to take advantage of the A10's two low-power cores?
2. Was the iPhone brand new, or had the battery been properly conditioned (around 5 FULL charge-discharge cycles) before testing. It is common knowledge that Secondary batteries, even Li-ion/Li-Po batteries, don't reach their full capacity until they are run down and recharged fully several t
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Re:Seriously? It doesn't matter? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Seriously? It doesn't matter? (Score:5, Interesting)
Shh yes its a giant conspiracy. Its ok. Hush now.
No, not a giant conspiracy; just a teeny one.
You pooh-pooh the idea that there was possibly reviewer bias in this case; yet when Ars Technica came to a much different conclusion regarding battery life, they were quickly denounced as being "well-known Apple fanbois" (the standard comeback from the Apple Haters).
Can't have it both ways.
Re:Seriously? It doesn't matter? (Score:5, Informative)
Battery size also needs to take into account phone serviceability at one year, two years and even five years. Here's the really bad news the smaller your battery, the much faster you will go through recharges and the faster you will shorten the life of the battery, half the size, twice as many recharges and half the life. Fixed batteries are a major rip off and the purposeful inclusion of a phone failure device to force repurchase of that phone. I am quite simply refusing to purchase any phone without a user replaceable battery, no better lesson in this than Samsung's billion dollar fuck up. Battery powered and I can replace the battery, than they can quite simply fuck off, I am not going to buy, I am not that stupid.
Re:Battery size doesn't matter (Score:5, Insightful)
Battery size is the old MHz (GHz) game that CPU manufacturers (mostly) used to play.
In the sense that it doesn't really matter how big the battery is. Either it lasts 1 day of normal usage, or 2 days... or half a day... depending on the hardware that's its plugged in to right? I agree with you completely.
However, it becomes relevant when apple brags they made the phone slimmer and lighter each generation. Slimmer and lighter is great if it already lasts 3-5 days on a charge.
But if it can barely make it through day... well the the iphone 3 was already slim enough, would the iphone 7 last a couple days if it was as thick and as heavy as an iphone 3? Then I want THAT phone a lot more than I want a lighter slimmer one that can't get me through an entire day.
the unit as an assembly is what really matters most.
Absolutely true. You can't really compare phone A to phone B based on battery size. The total package matters, but that doesn't detract from the point that if you added 50% more battery to a given phone it will straight up last 50% longer... and a LOT of consumers WANT it to last longer a lot more than they want it to be another few mm slimmer than it was 3 years ago.
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I want [the slightly heavier, thicker] phone a lot more than I want a lighter slimmer one that can't get me through an entire day.
Now, I agree with you. (Gimme a slightly thicker phone and triple its battery life.)
But I'll ask you:
Do you use battery cases? They add thickness & weight and increase the battery life.
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Yeah, it is annoying that you cannot change the battery by yourself in most phones. Of the ones listed in that article only the G5 has a user-swappable battery, it ejects out the bottom of the phone.
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More money than sense (Score:4, Insightful)
It could've had 71.2 minutes call time, 61.5 minutes of browsing time, and cost twice as much, and people would still buy it because it's an iPhone.
Hubris, pride comes before a fall (Score:5, Insightful)
You can pretend Apple is all about loyal Fanbois, but that's not true. Under Jobs it was about Unique Selling Points. Phone after phone came out with something new that only the iPhone had. Job would bounce on stage and beam about the new camera, or Siri or whatever. Their iPod touch was revolutionary, their iPad created the market.
Now Apple seems to be constantly playing catchup. Worse its full of hubris. Removing the floppy disk drive when it was no longer used was Jobs work. Removing the audio port for profit when its the most popular way of connecting speakers is Tim's work.
Apple's reflect this, e.g. Q2 2016 they sold 51.2 million iPhones, a 16 percent decline from the 61 million in the same quarter the year before.
Hubris
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Removing the audio port for profit when its the most popular way of connecting speakers is Tim's work.
Wireless! Wireless is critical, We need wireless computer access for ou wireless phones, Land lines and wierd wired ethernet ports are so last year,
But speakers,the only acceptable connection is wired, Nothing but wires.
And you know, I knew Windows PC users who were just as pissed off about Macs losing floppy drives as you are with your fake outrage about removint the phone jack. http://www.everymac.com/system... [everymac.com]
Jobs was ridiculed for removeing the floppy drives - https://www.engadget.com/2010/.. [engadget.com]
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I only ever used the headphone jack once, long enough to tell me that my future was using bluetooth.
You're either lying or you're nuts. Either way, you are not the typical use case. Bluetooth is fucking shite for audio.
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You are acting sort of wound up about this whole issue.
Wound up? not really. Annoyed amusement, perhaps. I tend to have that issue when I come up against abject stupidity, and people acting like they are smart while displaying that stupidity. But there are a whole lot of people out there who seem to think - or not think - that they have the handle on smartness. Like the guy who wasted half our lunch hour using an ATM to withdraw money for lunch, all the time telling us how convenient using the ATM was.
It's nice that you enjoy having more accessories that you need to keep charged. Do you have a big bank of chargers in the rec room to keep your speakers, headphones, the phone itself, etc. all topped off?
One in the car, one in the home office, and one in the kitc
Re: Hubris, pride comes before a fall (Score:3)
I play music in my car via bluetooth. I rarely charge my car.
I play music at home with a chromecast. I do not charge that either.
I use a wired headset in my office, but it it connected to my computer and I answer the phone through that.
All that with a phone that has a 3,5mm jack.
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You can pretend Apple is all about loyal Fanbois,
Which is why 70-80% of new iphone sales are to existing Iphone users.
a 16 percent decline from the 61 million in the same quarter the year before.
So they are now even more dependent on loyal Fanbois.
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The people freaking out were mostly people who hadn't lost hours of work to yet another floppy disk failure. Everyone who did wondered why it took so long. But IMO, Bluetooth is the floppy disc of today, though, not the mini plug. It is barely even usable on iOS, and fails with alarming regularity in ways that require rebooting the phone, power cycling your automobile, or other seriously problematic workarounds
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You'd be wrong on at least the first part. I don't know of anyone who uses a dock at all. Even back when Apple gave them away for free, most people threw them in a drawer and never used them. :-)
Actually I had a dock for my car which was pretty nice.
It connected to the cigarette lighter for power, and had a bendy arm up to the dock part.
Of course that was back in the iphone 3 and 4 eras which used the 30 pin connector.
This let the phone charge through the connector from the car, as well as had analog audio out pins which the dock used so it could be wired into the car stereo system, all with no extra wires to connect into the phone itself.
Together with some cydia software to expand the function of
Impossible (Score:4, Insightful)
Impossible, the test must be rigged. Because Apple says the battery is way better with the headphone jack gone.
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What the fuck is insightful about this post? Apple never made that claim. Slashshit really has hit a new low.
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It's rigged when you don't compare it to the 7 Plus. The other phones are larger with bigger batteries.
So yes, they rigged the test.
What the fuck is insightful about this post? Apple never made that claim. Slashshit really has hit a new low.
Apple deleted the analog headphone jack thus committing a crime against humanity .... eh sorry about that, ... actually it's just the normal choir of Slashdot haters singing their whining song about some insignificant shit nobody else cares about or notices. If any iPhone 7 users do miss the analog jack the vast majority of them will either use the adaptor or just hit Amazon and buy a $25-$50 Bluetooth headset instead of screaming their heads off about how the world is ending because some mobile phone manuf
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The other day, my kid heard that the new Apple phone does not have a headphone jack. "Really??? rejected."
Re: Impossible (Score:2)
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If you're spending the best part of £1000 on a phone, you can afford £25 for some bluetooth headphones. That's a fact, unless you have completely messed up priorities and are spending such a huge amount on a phone you can't afford.
Yup, that's a way of thinking that I don't understand you spend that kind of money on an iPhone, Samsung S7 or whatever and then you consider it an outrage if somebody suggests you to blow another $25 on a bumper and some armour glass or ****gasp***** a $25 Bluetooth headset.
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Re: Impossible (Score:2)
Millionaires become rich(-ish) a dollar at a time. Or, in this case, $50 to $158 at a time.
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I thought they removed it to improve water resistance, or at least claimed so.
But more likely the decision was solely based on the fact that it would marginally reduce production costs. Anything a company does is always for the bottom line.
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But more likely the decision was solely based on the fact that it would marginally reduce production costs.
If you want wired headphones, you have to buy them from Apple, or someone who Apple have licensed. That's the reason.
Re:Impossible (Score:5, Informative)
iPhone 7 dimensions: [gsmarena.com] 138.3 x 67.1 x 7.1 mm
Samung S7 dimensions: [gsmarena.com] 142.4 x 69.6 x 7.9 mm
LG G5 dimensions: [gsmarena.com] 149.4 x 73.9 x 7.7 mm
HTC 10 dimensions: [gsmarena.com] 145.9 x 71.9 x 9 mm
The Samsung and the LG are very close in dimensions (oh, and they kept their 3.5mm audio jacks). The HTC10 is the big boy, being a bit thicker (1.9mm - about 2 fingernail thicknesses).
And of course, the iPhone is just 750 x 1334 pixels, the others are pushing 1440 x 2560 pixels, nearly 4 times the number of pixels as well, meaning their GPUs are working a lot harder for that rendering on the screen. Even with that against them - they still trash the iPhone in terms of battery life.
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Battery (Score:2, Interesting)
They had all that open space from removing the headphone port and still ended up with the smallest battery? Wow.
strange mentality of buyers (Score:5, Interesting)
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The frustrating thing about the SE is that Apple treats it as the bastard stepchild of the lineup that only people too poor to afford the 7 would buy. It's got *most* of the 6s' internals, but skimps in some places like the fingerprint scanner, which is the previous, slower, generation. If they had upgraded it this cycle and given it the exact same internals as the 7 (All of them, dammit, including the dual-lens camera they obnoxiously withheld from the non-plus 7), except with the smaller screen and form
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I think you are missing the anecdotal story's point. Even your post proves it. People love the operating system and will suffer hardware aneurysms just to get to that coveted OS. iPhone SE for you or the latest model iPhone 8 (in OP's story) to fix the problems but give you the OS. You suffer through a lack of features on your air to continue using OSX. OP and others don't want to switch to the Samsung or HTC lineup because HTC/Android is not as unified as iOS. You don't want to switch to Mint or Wind
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I hope they continue the SE line. I love mine, with 6s Plus internals and a big battery. I have never considered going to one of the enormous phones like the ones you're talking about. They're just clown-like.
Agreed, that it's "overpowered" compared to the screen size gives it a substantial boost to battery life. And fortunately they threw out a lot of the gadgetry instead of reducing the battery, overall very happy with it.
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I hope they continue the SE line. I love mine, with 6s Plus internals and a big battery. I have never considered going to one of the enormous phones like the ones you're talking about. They're just clown-like.
Which is why I laugh when someone pulls out one of the ridiculous things that makes them look like an escapee from PeeWee Herman's Playhouse. So people can look like the worst sort of tool, but get outraged over a Headphone Jack The problem of course, is that pretty much the minimum size for a useable screen is around 10 inches. Even a 7 inch tablet is too damn small. So any phone that is a useable size is too large as a phonem and anything useable as a phone is too small for a decent screen. I've been hap
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Applephone users always keep their gadget in an expensive case, because it has to remain pristine for when they trade it in, with three hundred or so more bucks, in a year for the new model.
It's almost like they think the phone is a collectible action figure. "Don't take it out of the packaging and play with it, Johnny. It will be worth more later if you keep it in perfect condition. Don't even bend the blister pack cardboard!"
And my Android user friends "save money" by going through three phones in the same amount of time I use one.
I don't really care about trade-ins, and if my phone is pristine when I take it out of the case - it's just telling me that I bought a good case. Your Apple phone users meme is kind of silly, and remarkably inaccurate.
Get her a 7 Plus (Score:2)
The 7 Plus solves her battery problems and also does greta with low light photos.
Or get her a battery case for the seven.
Re: Get her a 7 Plus (Score:2)
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Just tell her her new phone is a Samsung iPhone.
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Go to Settings, open the Battery control panel, see if there are any apps eating up her battery. Bad cell coverage in the area perhaps? I can go the whole day taking pictures and videos with my SE and the battery doesn't die. Two months ago I was at a conference where I set my SE on a tripod and recorded 2.5 straight hours of HD video off the battery and the phone still worked for the rest of the day (although I tried to keep the use at a minimum... messages and checking maps maybe). Dead in 5 hours doesn't
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Blue Oyster Cult - "Burnin' for You" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Arthur Brown "Fire! I am the god of HellFire", with Exclusive Samsung test footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
And Apple's response to the outrage over the missing phone jack Billy Joel "We didn't Start the Fire" https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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The playlist for Applephone users is U2's latest album.
Re: strange mentality of buyers (Score:2)
With the new AirPods, it can blow up in your ears. Innovation! Courage!
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Re: NO fireworks for you (Score:2)
Hmm. A student has a phone with a dead battery at 09:30? In what universe?
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3G? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why restrict the tests to 3G when this is a 4G world (at least in the US) now?
For the same reason they didn't include the 7 Plus (Score:2)
If it's any consolation, no one who buys an iPhone cares what some random website thinks about their phone choice.
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Why restrict the tests to 3G when this is a 4G world (at least in the US) now?
So you have full 4G coverage all over the US?
No, you spend most of your time with 3G connections?.. Maybe that is more relevant then.
Re: 3G? (Score:2)
T-Mobile has/had the worst LTE coverage in the US, but now they have it on most interstate highways and anywhere population density is more than a few people per square mile. They still seem to have the worst coverage, but 90-95% of coverage (people times time) is probably LTE. Other networks are reportedly better.
User error (Score:2)
They're holding it wrong. And charging it wrong. And not paying for the new premium Applecare DoublePlusGood that hasn't been released yet.
because... (Score:2, Insightful)
That "highly useful" barometric sensor they put in place of the headphone jack uses 1.21 Jiggawatts.
More important? (Score:2)
When it comes to internet browsing time, arguably the more important measurement, ...
For a phone?
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I suspect that actual phone calling is a small fraction of the usage of modern smart phones.
Personally I make phone calls on mine for maybe 10s of minutes a week, on average. The rest of the time is spent with web browsing, emailing and other data-consuming tasks.
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I suspect that actual phone calling is a small fraction of the usage of modern smart phones.
Personally I make phone calls on mine for maybe 10s of minutes a week, on average. The rest of the time is spent with web browsing, emailing and other data-consuming tasks.
The modern consumer, IOW. It's so odd, in this day and age, where we can have huge screens, fat ethernet, and really fast computing devices, and so many of us choose to use the lowest common denominator device. Browsing on a Smartphone reminds me of browsing with a Raspberry Pi. Kinda works, kinda sucks.
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Race of the thinnest and lighest (Score:3)
Is getting stupid, the phones are already too thin for most normal people, the screens are so large its nearly impossible to use one handed, and what do you get for all this "innovation"
shit battery life
my co-workers give me crap about having a smaller, fairly heavy phone (dorid turbo), but I always laugh back whenever one of them complains about their shiny new firestarters being dead 3/4 of the way though the day, and mine still has 17 hours left on it
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Variance from Ars Technica's Wifi testing (Score:5, Informative)
This is a *huge* variance from Ars Technica's wifi battery testing:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2... [arstechnica.com]
They found that the iPhone 7 lasted much longer in both of their web browsing tests than the HTC 10 and lasted only a bit less than the S7 and G5.
Even on Which's 3G (why only 3G ?) web browsing testing, phones with 1.5 times the battery don't get anywhere near that much extra life.
It's pretty hard to judge without more samples and more info on the testing methods but, taking these tests at face value:
a) iOS 10 seems *horribly* optimized for 3G phone calling
b) Android (along with whatever extra stuff is on the three Android phones) seems terribly optimized at the other stuff. They have *much* larger batteries but don't manage anywhere near commensurate battery life with Wifi or 3G web browsing tests.
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I like that Ars didn't even bother to test phone usage (aka talk time or 3G/LTE) in their tests - only performance on WiFi. You know, when you're most likely to be close to an outlet and not need great battery life. Even then, the 7 was 2nd of the 4, and in the WebGL it ranked 3 of of the 4. The HTC seems like the anomaly, but there's no way to tell if the tests were wonky or HTC just has shitty wifi battery efficiency.
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But when you normalize for battery size it comes out on top...
The other 3 phones should be *far* ahead of the iPhone 7, given that they have around 1.5 times the battery capacity.. but the most they got as far as actual battery life was 1.28 times in Which's test and around 1.07 times in Ars' tests.
The 3G calling time seems to be the anomaly.
So while you can use one of the other 3 phones for somewhere between 7% and 28% more time on
Re:Variance from Ars Technica's Wifi testing (Score:4, Insightful)
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Except it isn't. I've ran tests that compare the iphone 7 against the Samsung S7, including graphics benchmarks. While each phone would perform better in certain tests the over all speed differences on the displays was insignificant. In real world performance there would be no noticeable difference to the user.
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Yes.. and I actually pointed that out in my post -- that you can actually get more time on one or two of the three android phones (but not by much according to ars' numbers)
The whole reason I brought up the normalization was the point out that given their battery *capacity* the Android devices actually have relatively terrible battery *life*. They've had to cram a 1.5 times larger battery in order to get 1.07 times better battery life.
They should be performing better.. but they aren't. I found that curio
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Even on Which's 3G (why only 3G ?) web browsing testing, phones with 1.5 times the battery don't get anywhere near that much extra life.
They also push 4 times as many pixels but doesn't get anywhere near a quarter of the battery life of an iPhone.
Use LTE and things would be even worse. None of the phones get anywhere near a day of use with that, but then LTE is a rather crappy short-range standard you rarely get to use for long, and certainly not at full speed.
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What they don't mention, is that WiFi on iPhone is horribly broken, and it seems that every Wifi vendor has to workaround the issues (everyone from Ruckus to Unifi has to specifically target the iPhones). The only thing more broken is the Fitbit Aria.. In fact, on OSX, we discovered when a computer was in sleep mode, it kept hanging onto its DHCP address until the lease expired, even if the entire network was reset whilst it was turned off.. So junk like that saves battery life, but its bad behavior.
Also,
Re: Variance from Ars Technica's Wifi testing (Score:3)
Why is it bad behavior for a computer to keep its DHCP lease until it expires? It sounds to me like your network's lease times are too long.
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What really puts Android ahead these days is idle power consumption. I can get up with 100%, go to work all day and get home with 90% remaining. Since Marshmallow they introduced Doze, which basically delays apps that want to wake up to check for notifications and the like until a bunch of them can do it all at the same time.
We are talking Nokia brick phone levels of standby time, plus much better than iOS active battery consumption. Remember that the Android phones they tested are much more powerful, with
Could be iOS 10 (Score:4, Interesting)
While this doesn't really excuse Apple, I greatly suspect the culprit is iOS 10, not the iPhone 7. I've been running the beta for months, and usually the battery life starts to even out and get better at some point, and I never saw that shift. So on my iPhone 6, which used to get 10-12 hours of *usage* time (not standby), I can watch the battery tick down in real time. I've even watched the battery drain while it was PLUGGED IN on the final release.
My evidence is anecdotal, but I'm starting to get friends asking me if battery life is worse with iOS 10, and I've had to say that it is. There's something weird going on. It's still on Apple to fix it, but it's a lot easier to fix a busted background process than ship a new battery out.
How does it compare... (Score:2)
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While this doesn't really excuse Apple, I greatly suspect the culprit is iOS 10, not the iPhone 7.
I don't know. I have a two-year-old 6 Plus which I upgraded to iOS 10.0.2 a few days ago - and, at least so far, I haven't seen any dramatic changes in battery life. During the iOS 8 and iOS 9 days it was often almost immediately obvious when I hit a build with terrible battery life. Actually, overall I've been pleasantly surprised by iOS 10.0.2, given my past experiences with 8.0.x and 9.0.x.
I'm not interested in the 7 specifically because of the lack of a headphone jack... but it would be somewhat surpris
Google Waze battery test (Score:2)
Based on what I've seen drain my phone's battery quickly, I want to see the Waze battery test. Pair the phone to the car's Bluetooth, stream music in the background, and leave the display on in full sunlight. I doubt most phones will exceed 4 hours.
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Even better - run the Pokemon Go test.
Wait... don't they mean that it finished FIRST? (Score:3)
It's also twice as fast (Score:2)
So there's that, but of course Android fanboys will sweep that under the rug. Every year, each new iPhone is about twice as fast as the best Android competitor. So in a sense, if you wanted to compare phones that are actually comparable performance-wise, that'd be today's Android flagship and last year's iPhone 6S.
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Not true ether. Looking at some performance benchmarks comparing the iphone7 vs the Samsung S7, no where does it show the iphone 7 is twice as fast as the S7.
What they show is the iphone 7 is slightly faster than the S7. And these are just software benchmarks. In real world use both phones would be indistinguishable as far as speed goes.
I know apple fans need to compensate for lack of features and smaller displays but it would be nice if you would quit making these things up.
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It better be. It is useful to rush through ones daily chores before the battery dies.
How many have to die before Samsung fixes this? (Score:5, Funny)
Over 4 million people have died (1) since it was revealed that the Note 7 had batteries which could end the world as we know it (2). How many more have to die before this problem is fixed (3).
(1) Based on world human mortality rates. Deaths are unrelated to the Note 7.
(2) Not really.
(3) 151,000 people per day. As noted in (1), these deaths are in no way related to the Note 7, more than 2/3 of which had already been replaced as of the end of last week.
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these deaths are in no way related to the Note 7
THAT WE KNOW OF, Overzeetop, that we know of...... /tinfoilhat
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I wonder what Samsung does with the old Note 7s with faulty batteries/charging circuits. It would be too much to hope that there is a flood of refurbished phones, more likely they salvage as much as they can but I also wonder what the cost of checking parts for re-use is compared to just scrapping them.
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It becomes more and more offensive over time without even changing at all.
Don't get it. Don't see how it's un-PC, seeing as it's obviously just surreal/ludicrous. But hey if you're having fun. I just think the people you think you're offending.... don't exist.
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Oh, and all the time I don't spend fooling around with a silly phone, I spend doing USEFUL, PRODUCTIVE things that enhance my life, instead of the equivalent of navel-gazing or masturbating.
Like hanging out here?
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You should put it up against these in their test. How long does it last *while talking on it*, and how long does it last while surfing the internet using their sites? Most flip phones won't last 20+ hours of talking, as the longer lasting phones here do. I doubt it can do the internet duration as well.