Apple Near Deal For Radio Service 143
An anonymous reader writes "TechCrunch and The Verge are reporting that Apple is near a deal with Universal Music to provide a streaming 'iRadio' music service. 'Apple is expected to launch a web radio service similar to Pandora's later this year, provided that executives there can strike an agreement with Sony Music Entertainment as well as music publishers. Talks with Sony, which operates the third label, Sony Music Entertainment and Sony / ATV, the music publishing company jointly run with the estate of the late singer Michael Jackson, are said to not be as far along towards reaching a deal. ... As for the financial terms, Apple will not receive the steep discounts it had sought for the labels' music.' Apple's 400 million active iTunes accounts could give even Pandora, with its 200 million users, something to worry about. 'For startups and streaming music companies, this means looking closely at the competitive advantages offered by their own platforms and decided how best to position their own services. A key advantage, and one that will likely get emphasized by virtually everyone challenged by an iRadio, is cross-platform compatibility. Apple will likely be able to offer something along those lines through iTunes on Windows, but for the most part it'll be a strictly iOS/Mac affair. That, combined with personalization and recommendation engines, along with other value add features, will be the way to combat an iTunes streaming service, but no matter what, an Apple product will change the face of this market.'"
apple near deal and korea almost in war (Score:5, Insightful)
no need to report until either one of actually happens. reading about it every few days gets old when there's nothing concrete new to report.
I am for more content. Quality content. (Score:5, Insightful)
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"Good audio quality content is hard to find anywhere on the web." No.
"Finding quality MP3 bitrate is hard as well." No.
"That is why people turn to apple, because there is quality control." No.
"Developers are artists..." No.
"maybe I should go over to kick starter..." Yeah, you should do that.
I'm sure musicians would love having RMS dictate the licensing terms of their works. With the FSF revolutionizing music, perhaps we can look for some young Finnish artist starting a grassroots effort to clone Beethoven'
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I do not care who makes the product. As long as the artists make a fair wage, and the content is quality. Good audio quality content is hard to find anywhere on the web. Finding quality MP3 bitrate is hard as well. That is why people turn to apple, because there is quality control.
I have no problems at all finding music in MP3 format in good quality. I just go to Amazon. Usually I go to iTunes for AAC format, but as I said, finding MP3 music is no problem at all. Is there something I'm missing in what you are trying to say?
Two songs I couldn't find on Amazon (Score:2)
I have no problems at all finding music in MP3 format in good quality. I just go to Amazon.
There have been a lot of singles that I haven't been able to find on Amazon, except by cover bands best known for their karaoke albums. "Anyone At All" by Carole King and "Gimme Little Sign" were among them last time I checked.
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Actually music downloaded from iTunes is often inferior to well encoded MP3s. It comes in AAC format 256Kbit, encoded with an unknown application that doesn't seem to perform as well as LAME encoded MP3s at 320Kb. It also inserts some personally identifying metadata into the file.
I'll take well encoded MP3s or preferably FLAC thanks, otherwise I'm not interested.
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Not even DRM- Stallman would get mad because the artists were releasing their music under the heretically un-Freeâ Creative Commons license, instead of GPL, the One True License Forever And Ever Amen.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/06/02/07/1733220/rms-says-creative-commons-unacceptable [slashdot.org]
Locked up (Score:1)
>"Apple will likely be able to offer something along those lines through iTunes on Windows, but for the most part it'll be a strictly iOS/Mac affair."
That is no surprise. Just what we need- another platform-locked streaming radio. So far, Spotify has better options than Pandora, but it doesn't run on Linux, severely limiting it's usefulness to me.
iWhatever be certainly be less useful, since at least Spotify AND Pandora are available on the #1 phone platform (Android) and the #1 or #2 (depending on your
Radio? (Score:3)
I like to choose the music I listen to. I gave up radio long ago.
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Young people still love radio. You're not in their demographics anymore kid.
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I like to choose the software I can install. Perhaps Apple isn't meant for us.
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Main reason for me to listen to the radio is to hear music I didn't know yet. And that way to have a better idea on what's available to choose from.
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Quite the opposite here. I haven't listened to most of the 200+ CDs I own for years now. The newness offered by the tweaked Pandora experience is just too irresistible.
Ornery (Score:1)
Fuck all these big companies that think they can own the world.
If we had a Justice Department that was worth a damn, Apple would be facing huge anti-trust suits just for thinking about something like this.
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If we had a Justice Department that was worth a damn, Apple would be facing huge anti-trust suits just for thinking about something like this.
Apple isn't a monopoly.
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The anti-trust laws are about more than simple monopolies. They're about anti-competitive practices, price-fixing, etc.
You don't have to have a monopoly to be involved in monopolistic behavior. Vertical integration is one thing that anti-trust laws address. That means owning too much of the chain of production. Microsoft was not a monopoly either, but the anti-competitive effect of building Internet Explorer into their operating system and giving it certain advantages set off enou
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Microsoft was not a monopoly either,
Not true. Microsoft was declared to be a monopoly in operating systems.
Vertical integration is one thing that anti-trust laws address
True. If Apple were vertically integrating to establish a monopoly that would be illegal. Vertical integration is perfectly legal. General Motors is allowed to use their own parts, run their own dealerships and provide loans. Even when the government ran GM directly.
If Apple's new "radio service" is integrated into iOS, how is th
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Platform and Streaming concerns are orthogonal (Score:4, Interesting)
Why does it matter what platforms your streaming solution supports? If someone moves to a platform that doesn't support your service, they just switch to someone who does. If they move to a platform that supports your service, there's almost no barrier to switch over because you are both offering an unlimited supply of streaming music with a variety of channels. When you are providing a service that gives the user nothing of permanence, they have no reason to stay with you.
I don't think iTunes can compete on price at all, there's no way the music industry is going to let margin slip out of their grasp again. So it'll probably be nearly the same price as other services.
Where iTunes might be able to have a bit of a leg up is baking streaming radio support into indie contracts that iTunes carries, so that they automatically get a wider range of music that other services would have a rough time matching since it would involve a ton of separate contracts. Perhaps that's widespread in streaming today, I don't know.
Your abosolutely right Apple is rotten. (Score:1)
I don't know.
I guess you don't. I absolutely agree with you Apple is rotten, but excusing them, just because they are heading towards being a niche product is not right. We have learnt from IE that bundling software how abuse monopolies can stop innovation...and can only imagine how bad it would be not if like the iphone the bowser was locked to the iphone [safari frontends don't count ;)], and your right Apple should not not be considered a platform at all, but opened up to competing services, so Apple users can benefi
Off Kilter (Score:2)
Where did that wild and totally unrelated missive come from? It's in response to my pointing out that streaming radio is the OPPOSITE of lock-in, no matter WHO is providing it because it's so easy to leave. So iTunes providing streaming radio does nothing to further Apple lock-in, it's just a nice to user service on a number of popular platforms (including Windows I might point out). In fact if anything it reduces average consumer lock-in if fewer people are buying and more are streaming. It ties peopl
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further Apple lock-in
I agree. Especially considering the news that a quarter of American books sold are electronic, imagine what a disaster it would be if Steve Jobs had succeeded in forming its [another?] cartel.
Yeah, let's all cheer for Amazon's 90+% of the ebook market - freedom at last!
Apple product will change the face of this market? (Score:1)
Not to be cynical - a promise which I'll most likely break in the first sentence - but one of the ways this market will be changed by Apple's entry is the expected launch of several law suits, most likely by Apple. The start has probably already been made by Apple patenting the most trivial aspects of their future service. In a few years time we'll see lawsuits started by Apple on the way competitors match music choices, on the automatic composition of playlists, etc. It would be good news if I were to be w
It's not radio, it's a jukebox (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think it has been about a quarter century since there has been DJs on regular radio much. By that standard there just isn't much radio left anywhere.
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Limited choice of music. (Score:2)
This service seems to be limited to the music of certain big labels. If you're not with that big label, your music will not be on iRadio. That's a serious limitation that traditional over-the-air radio stations do not have - they pay a flat fee, or a fee per song played, regardless of the publisher of the song. That alone makes it so much less interesting. It's not radio, it's more of a "universal music promotion channel".
And probably a total lack of dj's, that do announcements, some silly talk sometimes, g
At this point, can't Apple just buy the labels? (Score:3)
Apple has so much money in their war chest, why don't they just buy them outright instead of trying to strike a deal? Is this such a crazy idea? Or maybe they just don't want to actually run them.
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Re:Allow Me to Speak for EveryOne - Hear (Score:4, Insightful)
Then why are you reading apple.slashdot.org?
Pathetic (Score:1)
Is slashdot becoming like 4chan? Enough with these homophobic comments.
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An Android product would make more of a difference, what with the current approx 2:1 ratio in favour of Android usage on smartphones.
Trouble is, most folks on Android are known to loathe "paying for any software." So what they do is to pirate [idownloadblog.com].
Apple Developers attack users (Score:3)
Trouble is, most folks on Android are known to loathe "paying for any software."
This is an article about an Apple user being attacked for Piracy by an Apple developer by Hyjacking their twitter accounts and posting confessions of piracy :) http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/ios-apps-hijack-twitter-accounts-post-false-confessions-of-piracy/ [arstechnica.com]. Perhaps you should should stop Demonising Android users. I'm personally willing to post screenshots of my Play account, showing all my purchases.
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Trouble is, most folks on Android are known to loathe "paying for any software."
This is an article about an Apple user being attacked for Piracy by an Apple developer by Hyjacking their twitter accounts and posting confessions of piracy :) http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/ios-apps-hijack-twitter-accounts-post-false-confessions-of-piracy/ [arstechnica.com]. Perhaps you should should stop Demonising Android users. I'm personally willing to post screenshots of my Play account, showing all my purchases.
And here [theverge.com] is the sad tale of an Android Twitter client running out of of their 100,000 tokens despite having only about 40,000 paid downloads. So even for something as useless as a Twitter client, you have 60% pirates,
So Apple users are 15% more likely to pirate (Score:2)
you have 60% pirates,
So your saying that Android users are more likely to pirate by only 15% as the Application I linked to had 75% of Apple user being pirates. pirates.
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you have 60% pirates,
So your saying that Android users are more likely to pirate by only 15% as the Application I linked to had 75% of Apple user being pirates. pirates.
So what you are saying is that at least on Fandroid fails at Math. And Logic. And reading comprehension. And at not being a dick.
Apple users are 15% more likely to pirate (Score:2)
So what you are saying is that at least on Fandroid fails at Math. And Logic. And reading comprehension. And at not being a dick.
No my maths is pretty good, Apple users Pirate at 75% Android users at 60%. Apple users are more likely to pirate [and get attacked by Developers on their twitter pages]. My writing on that post was pretty sloppy, but my maths flawless.
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http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Appy+Entertainment+news/news.asp?c=34191 [pocketgamer.biz]
"The piracy rate on Android was 70:1 compared to 3:1 on iOS," Sargent revealed. "That's crippling."
Phones for every Generation (Score:2)
there's a thousand grandmas who got their Android phone free
I think the main reason Android is so much more successful with All generations...and sexes is more down to its larger screen size; resolution and pixel density allowing better viewing, and its ease of use.
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The article you linked to tries to link to the actual report but it seems to have been removed from the Yankee website. IIRC it was shown to be bullshit back when it was released. For example the cheapest iPhone is still pretty expensive, but you can get really cheap Android phones. If you are the sort of person who buys a really cheap phone on a pay-as-you-go deal you probably won't spend much money on apps, so it is no wonder that the per-user revenue is lower than iOS.
40 apps per user per year on iOS at
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> an Apple product will change the face of this market
An Android product would make more of a difference, what with the current approx 2:1 ratio in favour of Android usage on smartphones.
When you add in iPad and iPod Touch numbers to the iPhone numbers, Android no longer has a 2:1 advantage. You need ot look at iOS devices vs Android devices.
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Then there is the one Surface Pro user on campus.
Re:Apple apple apple... (Score:5, Insightful)
> an Apple product will change the face of this market
An Android product would make more of a difference, what with the current approx 2:1 ratio in favour of Android usage on smartphones.
I'd say changing one-third of a 10 gazillion smartphone market is pretty significant.
Re:Apple apple apple... (Score:4, Interesting)
Android has a clear lead over iOS in market share, but no-one cares. Because those Android users use their phones as, well, phones. And they don't spend money.
iOS has almost 100% of the market that matters: smartphone owners who use their smartphones as smartphones and are happy to spend money.
Apple market share is so teeny tiny (Score:2, Troll)
iOS has almost 100% of the market that matters
No they don't. Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK, and its more about how the carriers expect users to pay for the phones. Apples market share is so low...even Windows phone brag about having larger market share. You can pretend the Apple has some kind of lead...and it did, but that was when it did have major market share, but today applications are developed first for Android, and in some markets where Apple is none existent...Apple Applications are not being
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Nothing Like Nintendo (Score:2)
Yeah, likely they'll end up like Nintendo.
Except Nintendo won the console wars [had the majority market share at least] with its wii...although its struggling with its wii u http://www.vgchartz.com/ [vgchartz.com] as you can see it outsold both Sony and Microsoft. Ironically Apple [when its still did computing] was rumoured to be serious about buying Nintendo, and would have been an incredibly good use of its money [they have $140 Billion now under the couch], unfortunately Jobs was always been against games [maybe sour grapes]...but right now I suspect unless Ap
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Well the only lead that matters to people seeking a profit, is the willingness of people to spend money.
Android users don't spend money
http://www.eweek.com/cloud/apple-app-store-revenue-dwarfs-android-app-store-sales-report/ [eweek.com]
Or even surf the web as often as iOS users:
http://allthingsd.com/20130403/safari-still-winning-the-mobile-browser-war/ [allthingsd.com]
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Saying that it grew from a tiny amount to a larger but tiny amount, still doesn't negate the fact that iOS users outspend Android users 4-1.
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Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK,
Tell that to Japan, Germany and China. And quarter by quarter numbers seem good in many other markets too.
but today applications are developed first for Android,
Please. Fortune just put out a report on verticals. With the exception of Oil and Gas (Windows Phone) iOS or Android had the overwhelming majority with iOS having about a 2::1 lead.
Apples Market share 25times smaller..and shrinking (Score:2)
Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK,
Tell that to Japan, Germany and China. And quarter by quarter numbers seem good in many other markets too.
Not sure where you are getting your data from. :) This is the latest article I can find [sorry about the Google translate] http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://data.eguan.cn/yidonghulian_147283.html [google.com.hk] It shows Apples market share *dropping* from 6.2% to 4.2 while Android continued to rise to 90.1%. To put that in perspective. Apples market share is 21times smaller...do you seriously want to claim that the Chinese Developers are developing a
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IDG has it at 8.5% by volume up .5%. Most smartphones in China are sold at $79. If you look at revenue rather than units a more balanced image: http://image.slidesharecdn.com/201304stock-130412135737-phpapp01/95/slide-7-638.jpg?1365793092 [slidesharecdn.com]
This BTW is a global picture: http://image.slidesharecdn.com/201304stock-130412135737-phpapp01/95/slide-5-638.jpg?1365793092 [slidesharecdn.com]
do you seriously want to claim that the Chinese Developers are developing any Applications
I have no idea. But I don't particularly care the claim
How much so phones sell for in China? (Score:2)
Most smartphones in China are sold at $79
Not according to the Chinese who claim the average is 1,393 yuan(about $220) admittedly I agree the iPhone has priced itself out of the market for short term profitability in the American market.
What can you get for 1,393 yuan in china...lets have a look at the Chinese Amazon.cn http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=amazon.cn [google.com.hk] unsurprisingly their top selling phone is 1,165 yuan...so a little less than average. its a Motorola; dual-mode dual standby 1.2GHz dual-core And
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I'm sticking with IDG over Amazon. I did check the facts and went with a reputable agency.
Then you should recheck them (Score:2)
I'm sticking with IDG over Amazon. I did check the facts and went with a reputable agency.
The you need to look at the data...as stupid as it is, you need to look at Android/Other Android Which look to collaborate *Analysys Network* results [amazon was used to provide meaning to data] which also shows the downward trend of Apple in China :) Perhaps you should click on my links, by the way on your graphs which show last quarters current sales those large yellow bars show Android sales...its difficult to make out but if your zoom in you can just make out the tiny market share of Apple :).
But again
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$79 is IDG not me.
There is no downward trend. Here is another source. I think the growth is too high but it sure ain't down: http://www.canalys.com/static/press_release/2013/canalys-press-release-070213-android-powered-third-all-mobile-phones-shipped-q4-2012.pdf [canalys.com]
Please check your facts (Score:2)
$79 is IDG not me.
There is no downward trend. Here is another source. I think the growth is too high but it sure ain't down: http://www.canalys.com/static/press_release/2013/canalys-press-release-070213-android-powered-third-all-mobile-phones-shipped-q4-2012.pdf [canalys.com]
Then show me your source, because right now local Analysis and Local retail...and the graphs you supply by IDG all point to $76 Android phone being a lie made up by you.
You provide no information about china and the source you provide again restates the fact Apple is a failure in China "China is a massive growth prospect but Apple is not making the market share impact there that it is in other markets. The lack of a device on the China Mobile network is a big drawback, combined with high price points."
Do
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This started as your claim about the US and UK. Apple does well over 40m units per quarter every quarter consistently. That's far more than 100% of the USA and UK markets combined.
Then it moved to China. Your claim was the marketshare was 4.2% for Apple falling from 6.2% while 90.1% from Android. "Apples market share is 21times smaller." IDG reported totally different numbers. Both IDG and Canalys had marketshare increasing rapidly and it being far greater than 4%. The 2nd graph pretty clearly shows wh
Apple is US and UK Only (Score:2)
Your right I do *state* that Apple is a localised phenomena in US and UK, they even sell less than Android even in those places elsewhere else they sell badly. Apple do not sell over 40M units consistently [A number half that of Samsung Alone :)] they are feast or fast depending when they launch an iphone :) Here is an easy to understand graph...as you can see Apple only broke the 40M unit once http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/World_Wide_Smartphone_Sales.png [wikimedia.org] and Android sell over 140M in
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Then show me your source, because right now local Analysis and Local retail...and the graphs you supply by IDG all point to $76 Android phone being a lie made up by you.
You provide no information about china and the source you provide again restates the fact Apple is a failure in China "China is a massive growth prospect but Apple is not making the market share impact there that it is in other markets. The lack of a device on the China Mobile network is a big drawback, combined with high price points."
Do you even read your own links.
You are trying to show that Apple is a failure in China by presenting numbers from Amazon, which has a 2% marketshare among Chinese e-commerce?
presenting numbers from Amazon (Score:2)
Apple is a failure in China
No I used Amazon to verify average costs of a Chinese Android phone and the what you get for that cost, based on what the Largest Online retailer stated are in realtime was the most popular Android phones, and then quote the price and specifications of that model. To quote myself "1,165 yuan...so a little less than average. its a Motorola; dual-mode dual standby 1.2GHz dual-core Android 4.0 system 4.3-inch phone" Its actually been overtake by "ZTE ZTE U930 3G Mobile Phone (Black) TD-SCDMA/GSM, Android4.0,
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No I used Amazon to verify average costs of a Chinese Android phone and the what you get for that cost, based on what the Largest Online retailer
Amazon.cn is not the largest online retailer in China. Which is what I have told you. And yet you keep pretending.
Amazon is still the largest Online retailer (Score:2)
Amazon.cn is not the largest online retailer in China. Which is what I have told you. And yet you keep pretending.
Amazon is the largest online retailer. Which is what I have told you. And yet you keep pretending. :).
Either way rather if you want to disprove my post I'm happy for your to provide a link to a translated larger Chinese only!? online retailer that lists Android phones by popularity, you won't because your affirming a disjunct. Either way the Chinese are walking around with killer Android phones. :)
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Amazon.cn is not the largest online retailer in China. Which is what I have told you. And yet you keep pretending.
Amazon is the largest online retailer.
Not in China (and by that account probably not in the world either, at least not for long). So why do you bring it up in a vain attempt to show how much most phones sold online in China cost? Because you just can't stop being wrong?
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Globally the difference is bigger. But the question is not phone units sold but:
a) Value to advertisers
b) Willingness to pay for digital entertainment
(a) Android is close but ultimately the value to advertisers depends on willingness to pay.
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Re:Great. (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, because the range of music on the iTunes Music Store is simply all top-40 and absolutely nothing obscure, eclectic or independent, isn't it?
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maybe it's just for elevator music in their new spaceship office?
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the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined
in the words of james hetfield... nothing else matters
Apple gace away they Market to Google :) (Score:1)
the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined
Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple :). Apples ipod market has died a quiet death, and its Market share of phones is so awful even Microsoft brag of Bigger market share. Apple has a tiny [and shrinking] share [after a race for early *hardware* profits] of potential customers.
Perhaps you should get your education from a better quality metal source...I would recommend Accept for financial analysis.
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Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple :).
And my dad is bigger than your dad... It seems very important to you that Google and Samsung together are very large, isn't it? Emotionally involved with them? One of those companies makes their money selling your data. The other has conviction after conviction for price fixing, has been poisoning employees by the hundreds, their boss was convicted for tax evasion (and given a presidential pardon). Lovely bunch.
Standalone music players don't sell too many at the moment, but most are sold by Apple. Even i
Google do not Sell your data Apple sells YOU! (Score:2)
It seems very important to you that Google and Samsung together are very large, isn't it? Emotionally involved with them? One of those companies makes their money selling your data.
Ignoring your personal attacks. My comments were in reference to a factual error by the original poster. Like you made with this one. Google will NEVER sell your data, because they can only do so once...they sell targeted advertising space [done by a computing algorithm] to other companies. Ironically Apple sell their users to Google for $400 Million [reportedly going up to 1Billion] So i'm not really sure what your point is Apple still has a small and shrinking part of the audio player market.
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Ignoring your personal attacks. My comments were in reference to a factual error by the original poster. Like you made with this one. Google will NEVER sell your data, because they can only do so once..
That's Ok then. They don't sell my personal data, they just rent it out. Great. So what difference does that make to me?
it can't be a "factual error" (Score:2)
if you weren't such a dipshit you would have realized...google doesn't sell music or radio services (neither does samsung)
Samsung Music Hub
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/music-hub-all-the-music-you-want-all-in-one-place [samsung.com]
Music on Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/music [google.com]
Yes I'm afraid you have indeed made a factual error, don't feel too bad
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Apple profit: 41,733.0 million
Google profit: 10,737.00 million
Couldn't find a reliable source for Samsung.
Too bad that Apple didn't see in advance that phones that could play music would overtake the dedicated mp3 player market eventually. I'm sure that if they had introduced a hybrid phone + media player back in 2007 they wouldn't be in the sad shape they are in today.....
You want to talk profits not value :) (Score:2)
You want to talk about profits :) not "Market cap" or "Market share" suddenly we are back to the same point *profit*, because lets face it Apple just aren't that big...but they are profitable [At least in the short term :). This is a sign of how much Apple can *milk* its customers, and the Answer is "OMG" and they have a reported $140Billion just sat around allegedly. Its why they have [just] the biggest Market cap in the world [Although as I point out there are a lot of large players in the smartphone market].
But here is the thing. Apple have lost 35% of their Market value in 6Months alone, and the main reason is Apple makes the vast majority of those profits from the iPhone hardware sales, and investors got so nervous, about it failing to meet its sales targets; its shrinking margins; long term profitability is suddenly *puff* all that value just vanished from the company [$250Billion]...but the bottom line is the market does not see Apple as a long term prospect.
Actually I thought Apple cannibalising its music player sales for that of the iPhone was brilliant [and pretty much everyone agrees], not cannibalising its iPhone sales with an iPhone nano I suspect will prove its downfall. The reference to Microsoft is their latest brag that they outsell the iPhone in 6 countries...they even reported it here, personally I think its a bad reflection on both companies.
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Yes because companies are in business to make a profit -- shocking I know.
Market Caps:
AAPL - 403.6B
GOOG - 260.4B
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory [wikipedia.org]
companies are in business to make a profit!? (Score:2)
Market Caps: AAPL - 403.6B
GOOG - 260.4B
Market Cap Trend:
AAPL - Down 39%
GOOG - Up 22%
You want to argue...you wont get one from me. I just think trend more important :)
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But your first argument was,,,,
So Apple is much larger than Google when measured by revenue, profit, and market cap but yet and still you claim that "Apple just aren't that big".
Even in terms of "market share", Apple is much larger than Google when it comes to the
They are made from Jumpers (Score:2)
Even in terms of "market share", Apple is much larger than Google
I'm pretty confident that in the context of this article Google has a lot more customers than Apple :) Its called Android its what Google Play sits on [I suppose Microsoft don't have any computers either :) with only surface]. To quote myself the response to "apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined" was "Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple :)" That is still true. Although its interesting to note the decline of Apple and the rise of Google :). I treated your posts seriously In f
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Even in terms of "market share", Apple is much larger than Google
I'm pretty confident that in the context of this article Google has a lot more customers than Apple :)
Customers are the people buying your products. Apple's customers are the users, Google's customers are the advertisers.
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So by any financial metric -- revenue, profitabilty, and market cap Apple is larger than Google -- but still you say Google is larger?
So now you bring out "market share", but an "Android user" is not necessarily a Google user -- i.e. Amazon's Kindles, and most phones sold in China that don't use any Google services,
Even if you count Android/Google users you're still talking about only $10 per customer. "Market share" without profitability
Apple sells its users to google!? (Score:2)
Customers are the people buying your products. Apple's customers are the users, Google's customers are the advertisers.
Please don't waste my time quibbling over words, newspapers, TV, Radio and Magazines, Sports make most of their money through advertising. Would your prefer consumer or User...personally I don't care. ironically by your definition though Google is Apples customer as Apple sells its user to Google :)
Google+Samsung same as Google!? crazy (Score:2)
"Market share" without profitability is meaningless -- ask the PC companies.
Now your getting it. As a market matures, margins drop, and Apple moves towards obscurity.
As for asking PC companies Intel's average quarterly gross margin in the last five years is 59.97 per cent, and Microsoft's is even higher at 78.31 per cent. Dell's average gross profit margin at group level is 19.53 per cent and HP's is 22.32 per cent.
Perhaps you should look at Financial *performance* rather than the the top and bottom line
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Customers are the people buying your products. Apple's customers are the users, Google's customers are the advertisers.
Please don't waste my time quibbling over words, newspapers, TV, Radio and Magazines, Sports make most of their money through advertising. Would your prefer consumer or User...personally I don't care. ironically by your definition though Google is Apples customer as Apple sells its user to Google :)
Gee, you can't stop being wrong, now can you, Google-Tool.
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Apple's had higher profit margins than its peers for over 15 years.....
Try again, more like 24%
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AINTC&fstype=ii&ei=5KFsUdDoDIGylgPPDQ [google.com]
Apple's profit margin is a little higher.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AAAPL&fstype=ii&ei=QaJsUdCmIpqKlgOY_QE [google.com]
profit and loss is more important than random No's (Score:2)
Silly me for actually thinking profit and loss is more important than some random numbers,
Ok you don't know how to read a financial statement.
You work out Gross Profit Margin by Gross Profit ÷ Total Revenue
The fact that you think that is a random number means the end of this conversation.
Re: profit and loss is more important than random (Score:2)
Yes because everytime that one number doesn't fit your narrative - market cap, profit, or revenue - you pull out another number trying to prove your point.
But the bottom line is that profit is what matters.
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Crutchy: the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined :)
Tepples: Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple
Well first off Crutchy was talking about Spotify and Pandora. But even on this in terms of Net income Apple is still quite a bit ahead:
Apple = 41.75B
Google = 10.79B
Samsung = 18.12B
EBITDA Apple is up by less since Samsung's depreciation was huge, only $3B.
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Apples ipod market has died a quiet death
Last quarter Apple sold 12.7 Million iPods. Samsung sold about as much Galaxy Notes - proving again that the Phablet is dying a very loud death.
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No Itunes 11 is the best itunes since itunes 3 or 4.
Itunes is three distinct products trying to be merged. Itunes Store, iTunes Media player, and Idevice Sync. If the the idevice Sync, and Itunes store where separate from the media player it would be a far better product.
Re:Whatever. (Score:5, Informative)
No Itunes 11 is the best itunes since itunes 3 or 4.
Itunes is three distinct products trying to be merged. Itunes Store, iTunes Media player, and Idevice Sync. If the the idevice Sync, and Itunes store where separate from the media player it would be a far better product.
It's also trying to be a e-book library and a file I/O manager for iOS apps. As an e-book manager iTunes is mediocre at best and it sucks for file I/O. Another thing is that quite a few not very computer savvy iDevice novices get confused by the inconsistency of the fact that iTunes is this monolithic all-in-one monstrosity on OS X/Windows but on iOS it is split into several separate Apps. Apple should split iTunes up into separate programs on OS X/Windows to reflect the iOS setup, which is the setup I like better anyway.
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Do people still think that AAC is an Apple format?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding [wikipedia.org]
Apple has nothing to do with AAC besides being just another licensee --- along with everybody else in the industry.
AAC is also a required format for Android