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Apple Rejects Nine Inch Nails iPhone App 397

jarrettwold2002 writes "Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails announced via his Twitter account today, 'Apple rejects the NIN iPhone update because it contains objectionable content. The objectionable content referenced is "The Downward Spiral."' The initial NIN Access iPhone app garnered much fanfare (Wired article, Guardian article) and was approved by Apple. The update has been rejected due to an album reference. If Nine Inch Nails is having problems with censorship and approval what kind of problems are you having with the iPhone app approval process?"
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Apple Rejects Nine Inch Nails iPhone App

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  • Gee. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:02PM (#27802965)

    Looking at his Twitter feed, who woulda thought that Trent would be such a boring twit?

    Oh, so THAT'S how it got its name.

    • What the hell?! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Man On Pink Corner ( 1089867 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:07AM (#27803379)

      Apple sells The Downward Spiral on iTunes!

      Apple is starting to sound like Sony, where two (or more) competing ideologies threaten to drag the entire company down. Jobs needs to issue a set of objective, fair guidelines that apply across ALL content Apple sells on ALL of its storefronts. And yes, those guidelines need to come from His Steveness Himself, so that random lackeys in the App Store aren't left making judgment calls on the company's strategic direction.

      This really is pretty outrageous; if you've seen the advance publicity for the NIN app, you'd probably agree that it was looking impressive as hell.

      • Re:What the hell?! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:32AM (#27803517)

        Starting? Apple has always been a DRM peddling big-media supporter, it's just that the honeymoon period they had with fanboys distracted everyone from this fact. Now that the novelty of shiny white gadgets is wearing off, perhaps we'll start seeing a bit more objectivity and a little less worshipful adoration from Jobs' zealots.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by damburger ( 981828 )

          As I am just about to head to the apple store to demand a replacement for my fire hazard of a power adaptor (rather than pay £60 for a new one), I am inclined to agree. Once the shininess has worn off Apple products the fact they are shamelessly milking you for every penny they can is obvious.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            As a avowed Apple Fan (TM), I call WTF? It's a computer for cripes sake! What do people expect, a magic box? Computer's have problems; yes you should get a new power adapter for free if you haven't abused it and it's under warrantee, but, really, why are you upset about it? Are there really people who look at something that you buy from any company as more than a, well, a thing? If the Apple fit and finish are worth it to you, then pay for it. If not, then don't. It's not like anyone forces a Lamborghini o
      • Re:What the hell?! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by retchdog ( 1319261 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:34AM (#27803523) Journal

        iTunes has some songs tagged as adult content; I'm sure Spiral qualifies. On the other hand, the app store doesn't which explains this "paradox" up to first-order.

        The obvious question is why the app store doesn't have an adult content section. The answer is pure politics; just calling something "adult software" (or even admitting you stock such things) has a stink of "low-art" about it: crude S&M games or masturbatory aids. On the other hand, "adult content" in music typically just means that you maybe don't want a 12 year old listening to it. Your adult friends typically wouldn't hide their NIN, but they'd hide their copy of rapelay [boingboing.net].

        And, an accurate label like "non-adult software containing/accessing music which would be labeled `adult content'" is too risky for Apple to feed its users, who might well just read it as "adult software". Sad but true: 90% would, left alone, ignore it; 5% would be in the niche; and (of course) 5% would raise holy hell about how Apple is going to start selling porn-games and rile up the 90%. It's more un-Apple than putting EQ levers or a microphone on an iPod; just icky and won't happen.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Suiggy ( 1544213 )
          Tagging it as "rated mature" is a little easier for people to digest, while still allowing Apple to reject apps with overly sexual or extremely violent themes. While not perfect, Apple should adopt something similar to the ESRB rating system for games for it's app store.
          • Re: (Score:2, Redundant)

            by retchdog ( 1319261 )

            It's still just not worth the risk to Apple. You're talking about enforcing a very vague and fine line, and what would they get out of it? The margin off 100k downloads a year? Even 500k? Or a million? Their download rate so far has been 1.3 billion per year. Although this has nowhere to go but down, it'd take a long time for mature games to be worth it.

        • Re:What the hell?! (Score:5, Interesting)

          by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @01:21AM (#27803759) Journal
          The only paradox is how Apple will protect its revenue stream.
          If every band or artist can just make a ssl like front end on their 'web page' in the phone, then its pure profit back to them.
          Its like a concert in your pocket, small payment out for software, music as content back. The fans love it as *every* cent goes back to the person they adore. Exclusive content and a degree closer to the band.
          Apple then becomes a packet pusher that can be replaced with any device with a chip.
          A netbook in your pocket.
          A 16:9 lcd, an audio chip, some encryption and networking?
          Very easy to find, then add Linux or some other off the shelf OS.
          The final step is to get the artists to build their own plugin gui.
          Out source that to the fans calling it a 'contest' with great prizes :).
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Firehed ( 942385 )

          They have complete control of the App Store. There's absolutely nothing stopping them from forcing developers to rate their apps for intended audience, much like the TV ratings (Y, Y7, 14, MA, with the D,S,L,V flags) or video games. It allows them to still disallow outright porn while flagging potentially-offensive software appropriately.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)


          "I want to fuck you like an animal / I want to feel you from the inside" is deliberately one of the most inflammatory chorus lines ever seen in the mainstream.. moms seeing those slick iphone commercials and thinking of buying one for christmas might freak if they heard about that song being "promoted" on the app store that their kid will be browsing innocently..

          Apple just cares about the cost of implementing an age restriction more than some band's app (a bad idea anyway).
          • Re:What the hell?! (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Plunky ( 929104 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @02:17AM (#27803991)

            "I want to fuck you like an animal / I want to feel you from the inside" is deliberately one of the most inflammatory chorus lines ever seen in the mainstream.. moms seeing those slick iphone commercials and thinking of buying one for christmas might freak if they heard about that song being "promoted" on the app store that their kid will be browsing innocently.

            Um, how do you suppose they got to be moms in the first place?

            and, I don't understand how its 'inflammatory'? It is crude but hey, thats what immature is all about..

            • Re:What the hell?! (Score:4, Insightful)

              by kklein ( 900361 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @08:30AM (#27805301)

              It is crude but hey, thats what immature is all about..

              That is not a song about sex; it is a song about alienation and loneliness, and using sex as a replacement for real spiritual closeness, even when we know that's what we're doing.

              Sorry. Rabid NIN fan. And I am an adult. Speaking from the standpoint of someone who (unfortunately) has a BA in literature, and therefore has spent a lot of time pulling art apart, I would suggest that the reason for Reznor's continued success and dedicated fanbase spanning a couple generations now is that his work very well may be crude, but it is always honest, and is never immature. To be honest, his lyrics are kind of flattening out (while his music gets better and better--normal for pop musicians, I think), but the guy knows how to express himself poetically.

              Back to the topic at hand, however, I understand Apple's position to a certain extent, after the whole baby-shaking incident, but... come on. This is one of the most successful bands of the 1990s, which is still touring sold-out arena shows today. He's pretty mainstream at this point, especially since most of us who got into NIN in the early 90s have kids of our own now. I don't, but if I did, I'd be stoked if he/she got into NIN when he/she was old enough to get it. With my luck, and the way kids turn out, though, they'd probably get into Phish or something (shudder) --oh well, at least Phish knows how to play and does a great show.

          • Re:What the hell?! (Score:4, Interesting)

            by greyhueofdoubt ( 1159527 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @09:59AM (#27805749) Homepage Journal

            Hey, do you like the rolling stones? Ever listened to the words from "sparks will fly" (I know you'd recognize it, it's on the radio all the time)?

            "You'd better grease up
            I'm coming back
            You're going to catch fire
            You'd better grease up
            I'm coming back
            You're going to catch fire
            When I finally get myself back on you, baby
            I'm gonna step on the gas
            I want to get there really fast
            I want to fuck your sweet ass"

            Never noticed that a popular classic rock song is about anal sex? Pay more attention. Rock and roll is ALWAYS about sex on one level or another.

            Relax. If you want to go after someone, go after Britney or the dozens of singers *explicitly packaged for children* but with songs about lust and fucking. That is, to me, way more screwed up than NIN. How are you supposed to keep that Disney sex shit away from your kids when it is blasting on the media meant for kids? Ask any parent if they know the lyrics to any flo-rida song.


      • This really is pretty outrageous; if you've seen the advance publicity for the NIN app, you'd probably agree that it was looking impressive as hell.

        One might be inclined to believe it's the beginning of another downward spiral on Apple's part in terms of commitment to recognizing the actual wishes of their customers...

  • by runlevelfour ( 1329235 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:02PM (#27802973)
    Hey if Apple wants to reject a killer app from one of the most popular contemporary artists I guess that is their prerogative. Pretty stupid effiing move, and I guess Trent will have to take his application (and devoted money spending fans) elsewhere I guess...
  • TFA? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by LaskoVortex ( 1153471 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:03PM (#27802977)
    Which of those links has TFA in question? 140 bytes of twitter? A you tube video. WTF is so bad about "downward spiral"? I'd RTFA if there was one.
    • Yeah, I never saw the "much garnered" fanfare of the first app, so I wanted to see what it was about. I guess the Guardian and Wired links are about the first version of the app.
  • Confused! (Score:2, Insightful)

    Confused! Why would they ban the app because of a reference to his most famous album?
  • No problems at all (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:12PM (#27803033)

    With jailbreaking it, I don't have problems at all. I can write my own programs using free software, upload them without paying $150 to access my own device, and share them with my friends. I can do a lot more than Apple would let me in their walled garden. The only question is how soon untill mainstream companies/groups like NIN release their promotional apps on the distribution channels for jailbroken iPhones.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      It'll happen as soon as jailbroken phones stop being a niche market, so probably never.

      • by Firehed ( 942385 )

        Actually, last I checked, Qik is only available on jailbroken phones, and they're... I wouldn't say mainstream but large enough to at least make it noteworthy. In their case it's because they had to hack some sort of crude video functionality into the built-in camera which you can't do through Apple's APIs rather than censorship.

  • by AnalPerfume ( 1356177 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:13PM (#27803039)
    Now Trent has publicly stated the reason for it's rejection, does that not break Apple's NDA rules on "don't talk about rejection"? Will Apple throw more PR petrol on themselves by fighting Trent with a lawsuit instead of trying to let the embers die out?

    Is anyone really surprised with another Apple rejection on dubious grounds? Perhaps the real message is that Apple design their products for good church going people who would rather vote Democrat than see anything with a little adult content. The way I see it, is that there are a LOT more "adult" users who would rather have the choice of content, even if they wouldn't consume it themselves. This means that Apple are seemingly intentionally cutting themselves off from that spending power.

    We complain rightly about government treating us like children, making our decisions for us with little right of reply, yet it seems if you stick a flashy interface on it and apply some PR brainwashing it's all good and dandy.

    For the Apple fanbois, feel free to mod me down for speaking ill of the almighty......the power of Jobs compels thee.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      He wasn't really specific about the reason. He said it was because of inclusion of "The Downward Spiral". If he wanted to be more specific, he could have said it was because of the song "Closer", or to be even more specific, the lyric "I want to fuck you like an animal" (among others in that song that could be considered offensive by some uptight individuals in Cupertino).
      • Is that song on iTunes?
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by samkass ( 174571 )

      Your first two sentences were interesting. The rest of your post was flamebait... what does voting Democrat and going to church have to do with this, and why is it "PR brainwashing" and why is anyone who disagrees with you an "Apple fanboi". IMHO, any post that uses the word "fanboi" should instantly be auto-modded flaimbait.

      So anyway, if you're modded to -1 it won't be because you spoke ill of the almightly. To the contrary, it's very popular to bash Apple on Slashdot and your post will most likely NOT

    • I have mod points, and was going to mod this down as flamebait for the last line, but found the rest of your post interesting/insightful...but felt it more appropriate to mention each - you don't seem to be at a shortage of modding on this post anyway ;)

    • If we keep feeding the monsters, this is the kind of garbage we have to put up with. There are clearly enough of us that want to be able to buy a device and actually own it and be in control of it that we should be able to get what we want. We're pretty close with the android dev phone (not the one from t-mobile, it's still locked down). Now we just have to win over the networks so that we can actually use the damned thing. I'm holding out for a device that will work on a network that has 3g in my area
    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      For the Apple fanbois, feel free to mod me down for speaking ill of the almighty......the power of Jobs compels thee.

      Why would you get modded down? Putting up Steve Jobs in the supposed light of divinity as seen by "Apple fanbois" is a common, subtle straw man used to get modded up around here.

      I'm guessing you already knew that.

  • by rob1980 ( 941751 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:15PM (#27803049)
    I'm not really into NIN but I watched the Youtube video explaining what the app is. This is something Apple should be promoting because it does a pretty good job of taking advantage of the platform's capabilities - not suppressing because it contains a reference to a 15-year old album.
  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:18PM (#27803067) Journal

    Fuck any platform where the vendor must approve content. (In this case that means fuck Apple, which immediately means I get modded up and down until the fanboi zealots are the only ones modding and I end up with a -1).

    We've seen open platforms dwindle in past years. PC gaming is in decline. Most consoles need all manner of hack and mod to run home brew content. Hell even GPS APIs (like TomToms) have been discontinued on newer models. We've gone from a society of tinkerers where the best idea wins to an increasingly IP law based profit model that stiffles innovation.

    Hell I don't even understand why objectionable content needs to be censored like this. For the most part don't buy it if you're offended. For the truely heinous stuff like that shake a baby to death iPhone app that was in the news lately, existing laws should be brought to bear if applicable. ...and you know what? I say this knowing that I fucking can't stand NIN music. As far as I'm concerned the only thing close to being any good they ever did was Closer, and that sold more on novelty and shock factor (and as a shagging song) than anything else.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:42PM (#27803211)

      Fuck any platform ...

      ... like an animal?

    • analog was special (Score:3, Interesting)

      by jipn4 ( 1367823 )

      We've gone from a society of tinkerers where the best idea wins to an increasingly IP law based profit model that stiffles innovation.

      Analog was really special that way, and it may not come back: open interfaces defined by physics, plus the ability to plug components together anyway you like.

  • TODAY, my GF called Apple support, it said call back in 15 mins and automatically hung up on her.

    2 days ago we tried to get a replacement on an Ipod 8gb Nano and despite having an extra 59$ service plan we were told we had to go through apple. Apple informed us that shipping was 39$ Canadian plus 10$ for insurance.

    Apple seems to want to turn its back on it's customers, even if they are gods like Trent Reznor.

  • Enough Already (Score:5, Interesting)

    by CSMatt ( 1175471 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:20PM (#27803077)

    I am sick and tired of articles like this, where the developing community has surrendered to Apple the rights to veto apps, for pretty much any reason, that they no doubt worked hard on, as well as giving Apple the ability to retroactively change their minds and kill apps on paying customer's phones. Why is is so acceptable for Apple to do this, when it clearly is not acceptable in the PC* world? Why do developers put up with this kind of draconian control by a third party over their own apps?

    I for one can't stand it. To all developers of the iPhone, please stop developing for the iPhone. Hit Apple where it really hurts and develop for Android (not on the Market), the Freerunner, or pretty much any other platform instead, where you don't have to appease some entity that really needs you more than you need it. Don't just make an app that needs jailbreaking, as this still targets the iPhone and consequently still gives Apple more revenue and more power to control developers. If Apple insists on this kind of control, let them get their comeuppance.

    *Note by "PC" I mean microcomputers, not Windows machines.

    • "Why do developers put up with this kind of draconian control by a third party over their own apps?"

      Because iFart apps make people millionaires. Because some teenager can whip up a limited app that looks cool and fills a very specific niche and generate hundreds of thousands of dollars.

      The is an absolute shitload of money to be made with apps on the iphone and shitloads of people are making that money.

      • Re:Enough Already (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Vitriolix ( 660279 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @02:15AM (#27803973) Homepage

        This is such a farce, you need to read a little deeper than the glossy "gold rush" articles. there have been a very *small* number of people who got lucky and struck it rich, but as in all gold rushes, there are now so many people trying to get theirs, that the app store has become a wasteland clusterfuck of shitty me2 apps. Now, like everywhere else in life, you have to a) have a good application b) have good marketing c) have some luck to make money with iphone apps.

    • Re:Enough Already (Score:4, Informative)

      by kraln ( 1477093 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:36PM (#27803169)
      Maybe if those other platforms you mentioned had sdks and documentation nearly as nice. I've developed for blackberry, and for android, and it's a crapshoot.
    • Currently iPhone accounts for 73% of our mobile hits followed by Windows Mobile and Blackberry with about 12 percent each. We've registered a grand total of 4 hits from android phones. We see about 600 unique mobile visitors per day.

      If we had a lot of people using Android, we'd develop for it. But so far, it's available from one carrier, that doesn't even compete in our local market.

      • While Android is irrelevant right now in terms of user base, remember that it's still a very new project and is still building mass. Give it a couple of years, when several phone manufacturers have Android OS on their models and in most stores. At that point the iPhone balance will be seriously cut back. The more Apple restrict while Android is open, the more it will turn some people towards Android. Some will always stick to Apple, that will only change if Apple go bankrupt.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Here's the problem: The iPhone is the most attractive, lucrative platform I can find for me as an independent developer. Millions of users with the willingness to shell out cash. The platform itself is limited - meaning most traditional apps won't directly port - and uses Obj-C, which is a nice OO language I know and most others have to learn. The App Store provides an easy means for releasing software with no-fuss protection against illegal copying, which is important to me as both a developer and a custom
  • by headhot ( 137860 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:42PM (#27803213) Homepage

    I wouldn't mind having the app on my gphone.

  • Explicit Content (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Is it just me, or is this very same album available on the iTunes music store? How is it that you'll be rejected on the App Store for referencing an album you can buy on the Music Store?

    • Left hand... meet right hand.

      Common scenario when your thumbs are stuck in a wide variety of pies.

  • Will your next update to OSX on your laptop scan your drives for porn and then delete it?

    The iPhone is "your gear" and they are making judgement about the appropriateness of the content that you, personally, would like to have on it.

    Nice move Apple, ya bunch of Nazis.

  • Just more proof... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ogre332 ( 145645 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:52PM (#27803277) Homepage

    that no matter how hard Apple argues it, they're just as bad as Microsoft.

  • by Jackie_Chan_Fan ( 730745 ) on Saturday May 02, 2009 @11:53PM (#27803299)

    iTunes sells Trent Reznors Music but wont distribute his App?


    Shouldnt Apple be giving the big "DUH" on this. What the fuck is Apple thinking?

    I thought Apple was the "artist" friendly computer platform. You know that image they try to sell us on, using that hip "Mac guy"...


    MAC GUY: "Hey PC, I'm a MAC, I dress like an artist, but really I'm just another fake image driven sock puppet for an evil corporation"

    PC GUY: "Boy, I sure know how what it feels"


    Apple.. Think What We Allow You To.


    Apple really has changed over the years. Its a very snobby platform for so called "artists". I find it histerical when I see college students thinking they MUST get a MAC if they will ever be an artist. Its just embarrasing. As if a platform makes you talented... If only it were that easy.

    Image is everything, and Apple really needs to change direction and stop censoring song titles on itunes, and stop censoring applications. Simply have parenting mode settings in Itunes. Thats all you need. Let the parent decide what is right for their children. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY... Let us ADULTS choose what is right for us.

    Oh and btw to you snobby college students that think you're artists because you just bought a Mac. You're wrong :) 95% of todays blockbuster films are made with windows pcs and linux pcs running various kinds of special fx software. Photography is done on both platforms but windows users out number mac users by a far.

    Music? Sure... Protools for the Mac... of course! No wait... How about Nuendo for the PC? :) Far better.

    Final Cut? ok you got us. :P

    Hey will still have avid though... and the entire 3d animation industry.

    • by Swizec ( 978239 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:06AM (#27803373) Homepage

      Oh and btw to you snobby college students that think you're artists because you just bought a Mac.

      I bought a Mac because at the time it was the most powerful machine packed into the thinnest and lightest package (so it fits in my backpack nicely) with the longest batter span.

      That was two years ago. Nowadays I'd buy a Mac because having dropped it a lot I've come to appreciate the aluminium case and I do believe it's still the best battery life for a laptop with a graphics card that has its own memory ... plus the touchpads are just bloody awesome.

      Art has nothing to do with it, it's just a better (portable) computer

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Artist friendly because originally the best software for art & music ran on Macs first. Or Amigas, for that matter. Obviously that stopped being the case by the time XP came out, since PCs had caught up in terms of hardware and the Windows audience was over 90% and certainly not worth ignoring.

      But you know that Pro Tools is released for PC as well, right? And that Adobe, as well as everyone else, treats the platforms more or less equally these days?

      These are platforms that people get actual work on, thi

  • by mister_playboy ( 1474163 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:22AM (#27803455)

    Trent Reznor is the artist with the most tech savvy attitude on the planet, at least as far as popular acts go. He currently has no record label contract and surely will never again have one, he has released music for free (as in beer), and has released music under the CC license, allowing fans to freely share and remix it. He has leaked his own material (the Broken Movie and the Closure DVD) to The Pirate Bay to overcome legal entanglements, because he wanted his music out there for people to hear. Like his music or not or not, you have to give him some credit for breaking out of the mainstream and proving the old record label system of doing things is not a necessity and can be overcome.

    His attitudes resonate with a lot of us here on /. and I wouldn't be surprised if he is a member of this site.

    Apple should reconsider... Trent has probably made the majority of his music on Apple computers, so he is a highly visible user of their products, not just "some musician". They should have embraced the marketing opportunity presented here.

    I hope Trent shuns them for this... Apple's control freak attitude does not match with Trent's embrace of freedom, in both the monetary and the speech sense of the word. I say he is a trailblazer, the first big artist of the post RIAA/copyright dominated world. The first artist of the 21st century and the digital information age.

  • by Trepidity ( 597 ) <delirium-slashdot@NOsPam.hackish.org> on Sunday May 03, 2009 @12:49AM (#27803589)

    There was a piece on G4TV [g4tv.com] a while back about a game [persuasivegames.com] parodying airport security policies. While you might think Apple objected to the concept itself, they rejected it instead for "inappropriate sexual content", without telling the developer what specifically they objected to, leaving him rather confused since the game wasn't sexually explicit at all. It turned out, after some months of guessing and resubmission and trying to contact people, that what had offended Apple was the inclusion of items like underwire bras (which are notorious for setting off metal detectors).

  • Apple's management really need to gather up their courage and actually establish some guidelines for approval. It seems apparent to me that such guidelines don't exist at all, even inside Apple, so the staff responsible for approval of apps have to make their own guess. Whether your app gets approved depends on the personal opinion of whichever random Apple staffer it was whose desk it came across, which would be why Apple's policy seems so inconsistent.

  • 1) The poster should have waited until he knew what the actual story was before he made his post

    2) A lot of people are making comments here without knowing the whole story either.

    3) Trent Reznor is a musician, not the actual developer of the app and likely doesn't know the whole story himself.

    4) It's probably going to turn out to be a mistake/misunderstanding on someone's part, either the developer or someone at Apple and that the app will be approved eventually. It won't be the first time this has happene

  • I understand why Apple want to be a gatekeeper for their gadgets but they use it as an excuse for blocking competition and censoring what it's users may or may not want.

    I see only two legit reasons for the role of gatekeeper.

    1 - Prevent any application with malicious code finding it's way onto a users unit. ie if it invades someones privacy, data or security it's out.
    2 - If it's written to interfere with other competitor applications

    Preventing customers from using applications which compete with your in-hou
  • None.

    We don't use that piece of shit [thebestpag...iverse.net]. At all.

  • Amazing.... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Eric Freyhart ( 752088 ) on Sunday May 03, 2009 @01:43AM (#27803851) Journal
    I have been a developer for over 30 years. My first application (we called them "programs" back then) was on the TRS-80 microcomputer sold by Radio Shack. In all this time I have seen a very disturbing trend towards closed operating systems and platforms. If the automotive industry operated the same way, you would be forced to only buy service and parts from "authorized" centers and distributors. This was long ago outlawed by state and federal regulations. If Microsoft were to only allow "approved" applications on their OS (computer or mobile), the federal government would be looking at a major case against their anti-competitive behaviour. Is there really a clause in the TOS for iPhone developers that they cannot say anything about a rejected application? Wow. I cannot understand how any company in todays market can get away with that. Well, lets see... Microsoft: open and free development for their platform, and will run on multiple hardware configurations. Google: open and free development for their platform, and will run on multiple hardware configurations. Apple: closed platform with final say of any application developed, and with a percentage of all applications being paid to Apple Corp. Can someone tell me again why I should by an iPhone? Can someone tell me why Apple has not been taken to court? Can someone explain to me the hype on why Apple is so much better than MS?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 03, 2009 @03:02AM (#27804145)

    We've released 14 apps now to the AppStore and I could go on forever about our problems with it. And yes I'll remain anonymous, I fear google indexing and Apple's wrath.

    Problem 1: They rejected our apps that had cartoon drawings of the possible future presidents in it, it was meant to be a silly app, yet was rejected because it "Defamed a public figure". We in no way depicted the potential presidents in any way.

    Problem 2: Two of our apps, after about 1 week after submitting them for approval we received a email which said "It may take longer than expected to review your application". We determined this was because our application wasn't a "high priority" application. I think submitted apps have a process in which they first order them by apps which they think are of more benefit, or higher quality, or from big name publishers, and put them in a "order to review". These two apps took over 5 MONTHS to approve. So much for their one week turnaround. F**kers. One of our apps was time-sensitive, and well, after 5 months it was basically useless.

    Problem 3: When the AppStore first launched, I made the mistake of saying "upload later" and invoking a bug with their Application Loader. Their application loader was too simple and would allow me to upload .apps and say they were uploaded properly, but not show them in the iTunesConnect website. I also got no errors or details about why not. I also was unable to get support from Apple. I went to two Apple Store's, emailed every iTunes and Developer support email I could find, and nothing. Two weeks went buy and we just figured it out, our version string wasn't properly formatted to their standards. They never got back to me on this issue at all. (not to all, do not "Upload later")

    Problem 4: The "What's new" string on their web interface had a bug where you could only type in 64 characters even though the error said (too long, limit it to 4000 characters). Bug reported. Took them 4 weeks to fix this.

    Problem 5: Early on there was NO information for developers. At least for small ones. We had NO information about how many sales, how the whole process worked, anything. If I would have known 1 week after our game was released it did so well, we would have started kicking ass on new games. Instead we have to wait a month+ to get any data.

    There were a lot more things we ran into and Apple has kept updating things. But man... it was a very very rocky process. And very in the dark. I couldn't get support for shit. Every single beta update broke the app we were creating. Then even their updates all broke our app. Very limited backwards compatibility, and many undocumented new/changed features left us with a very bad taste in our mouth. Though they are finally up to date on most of the docs, it just took them 6 months or so to get there.

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      by perryizgr8 ( 1370173 )
      so what do apple get from you for this behavior? yes, you continue to develop for the iphone and provide value to their product and their store. so why would apple or any other company not do the same thing they did?

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