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NBC Chief Slamming Apple 299

On the heels of the beta of NBC's and News Corp.'s less-than-killer Hulu music store, NBC's chief Jeff Zucker is speaking out and saying the darnedest things. First, news.com reports, with derision, that Zucker demanded a cut of Apple's iPod revenue. That'll sure happen. Next, AppleInsider caught Zucker urging colleagues to take a stand against Apple's iTunes, charging that the digital download service was undermining the ability of traditional media companies to set profitable rates for their content online.
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  • hehehe (Score:5, Funny)

    by rastoboy29 ( 807168 ) * on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:12AM (#21167829) Homepage
    Go ahead, scream motherfucker, for all the good it'll do you!
    • Re:hehehe (Score:4, Funny)

      by dgun ( 1056422 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:37AM (#21167933) Homepage

      motherfucker

      Or motherzucker?

    • They make their money by controlling access to TRANSMITTERS and screwing:

      * producers (the people who actually put the shows together,)
      * consumers (the people who want to watch the shows the producers put together) AND
      * advertisers, (the people who pony up the cash for access to the process while getting sold on nebulous "audience share" numbers based on the "facts" that people don't have any friggin' lives, families, pets, bladders or colons to distract them.)

      NBC and the rest of the broadcasters are entirel
  • by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:15AM (#21167843) Homepage Journal
    Ah... Hey Zucker, go shit in your own hat.

    No, seriously. You want a cut of iPod revenues? Do you make hardware? Do you demand a cut of the manufacturers who produce DVD players? Do you demand a cut of the Internet carriers? Come on now. How about sticking to content creation and paying good writers to create quality content?

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by bhima ( 46039 )
      Actually don't they get a cut on DVD player profits via the license of the 'DVD' symbol?

      Not that I'm saying he shouldn't shit in his hat... I'd glad shit in it myself...
      • Heh. What this boils down to is "boo hoo I don't wanna hafta compete". Another clueless exec who doesn't understand teh intertubes. Bet he sues.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by dgun ( 1056422 )

      How about sticking to content creation and paying good writers to create quality content?

      Deal or no deal twice a week, the biggest loser, 500 versions of law and order. If they do quality content, they might lose their audience.

      • by kinabrew ( 1053930 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:05AM (#21168027) Journal
        I think each of the versions of Law & Order is a fine show in itself. I do think it's about time to kill the original.

        The problem with NBC is that they drive shows into the ground. They're doing it with Deal or No Deal and Law & Order. They did it with Dateline before.

        You can only eat steak so many times...
        • The only show that I've ever really watched on NBC was The Tonight Show and only on lonely Friday nights with nothing better to do. None of their other shows ever really interested me.

          Then last night I watched Chuck because I heard good things about it (one mention on /. that I recall) ... and after Chuck Heroes came on and I had nothing better to do so I watched it. It's kind of an x-men rip-off but it was actually pretty good. If they keep those shows around and they don't start to suck after a few episod
          • by peragrin ( 659227 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @07:10AM (#21168855)
            Heroes is the only thing I watch on NBC. I used to but the episodes missed on iTunes but now there service is windows only and twice the price so I have set up a DVr on my Mac to record them.

            Oh well NBC is pissed because their sales have plummeted since they left Itunes. The problem is the people most likely to buy music and TV shows online are those with extra cash and a large piece of those are Mac users. Talk about pissing off the wrong crowd.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by Bobartig ( 61456 )
              What I can't get is that they complain about only making $15 million off of the iTMS store, while the per-episode price of their content remains ~30% higher than buying the series on DVD. When they sell a DVD, there are a lot more people taking cuts, such as the DVD content creators, mastering studio, replication, shipping, and retail.

              Yet, you don't hear them complaining about DVD box sets!
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by geeknado ( 1117395 )
          Steak? Deal or No Deal feels far more like spam to me.
        • by ChrisA90278 ( 905188 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @12:30PM (#21173359)
          "The problem with NBC is that they drive shows into the ground. They're doing it with Deal or No Deal and Law & Order. They did it with Dateline before."

          You don't understand how TV works. Some smart TV exec long ago noticed that viewers decide IN THIS ORDER (1) "I want to watch TV", (2) "What's on?" So because they operate in this order all you need is to have the show that sucks the least. They have already decided to watch something. it does not need to be good. To make money you want to spend the smallest amount of money and suck the least do that and you can get rich.
          • by Danse ( 1026 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @01:00PM (#21173845)

            You don't understand how TV works. Some smart TV exec long ago noticed that viewers decide IN THIS ORDER (1) "I want to watch TV", (2) "What's on?" So because they operate in this order all you need is to have the show that sucks the least.
            That's how TV used to work. Now that we have DVRs that can record and store a hundred hours or more of programming, I simply set it to record the best shows and then watch them whenever I feel like watching TV. As this paradigm takes hold more and more, the quality of the shows will matter more and more.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by Just Some Guy ( 3352 )

              Now that we have DVRs that can record and store a hundred hours or more of programming, I simply set it to record the best shows and then watch them whenever I feel like watching TV.

              Exactly. That old concept of putting a lame-but-expensive show behind a popular one in hopes that people will forget to turn the channel is D-E-A-D dead. I record "Psych" (from USA, I think), "My Name Is Earl" (maybe NBC?), "The Office" (no idea), "House" (Fox) and "Bones" (CBS?). I don't know what night they're on. I don't know what station they're on. I have no freakin' clue what time they're on. All I know is that when I turn on my TV, there's usually something recorded that I want to watch.

              I d

    • by camperslo ( 704715 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:59AM (#21168001)
      They should go after those TV manufacturers.

      How dare they make money on something displaying content they don't produce!

      In over a year of getting NBC via off-air digital, I just saw my second HD movie.
      They were throwing large promo banners for another Universal movie right on top of the one I was watching. I'd planned to go see the advertised movie, but I won't now. They really seem to be trying to piss people off.
      About 18 minutes an hour of ads, double what it was in the 60's. And they don't know why people are tuning out.

      Try leaving feedback on the NBC website sometime. They want so much info it's obvious they plan to spam you or sell it to someone who will.

      They're about as pathetic as the FEMA press conference with FEMA employees posing as reporters.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by nine-times ( 778537 )

        They were throwing large promo banners for another Universal movie right on top of the one I was watching.

        Ok, this is going to be slightly off-topic, but WTF is the deal with these overlays they use now? It was one thing when they'd put a little semi-transparent logo at the bottom of the screen indicating which channel is was on. I thought that was a little annoying and stupid. But then they started making them less transparent, and then they started making them ads. Now, they overlay big-ass animate

        • They stole that idea from the intraweb, i.e. the terrible flash ads that replaced pop-ups. You know, the ones with the tiny close button that recoils when it senses a mouse cursor near it? They even steal their bad ideas!
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by LordNimon ( 85072 )
          They've already gotten rid of me. A couple years ago, I decided to watch TV shows only on DVD. At first, it was inconvenient, because the shows I wanted to watch weren't available on DVD. But after a couple years, they started appearing, and now my Netflix queue for TV shows is growing faster than I can watch them.

          Sure, very few shows are available on HD DVD, but then I only have analog cable service. Now I can watch unedited shows without commercials or overlays, and the picture quality is better th
    • How about sticking to content creation and paying good writers to create quality content?
      Didn't they abandon the later part of the sentence a long time ago?
    • by works ( 995530 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:10AM (#21168037)
      I love the logic in that. If these were the car and oil companies, Shell would be seeking a free revenue stream from Ford because, god damnit, their cars run on Shell's content. Albeit that Shell has already been paid for that content, but anyways. WE WANT MORE MONEY, GIVE IT TO USSSSS!

      Some cleanup is needed in the high-up of media companies, how can these asshats even remotely expect to run a profitable distribution system in the near future.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by aliquis ( 678370 )
      Hey, he don't know how to make money, of course he should be given some from Apple.

      Regarding "profit" I guess he can start his own 5 dollar per tune music store and he will be rich I tell you!! Everyone will buy his music!

      All I want is almost free infinite download of all music and all movies where all the money goes to the producers.
    • I believe this [paulbeard.org] sums it up.
  • by R15I23D05D14Y ( 1127061 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:19AM (#21167857)
    They are trying to promote torrent use, by getting rid of legal alternatives. First make it to expensive, and then watch a black market form. It's happened before :(
  • by Scudsucker ( 17617 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:24AM (#21167871) Homepage Journal
    news at 11. Remember when they wanted to raise album prices to $20-$25 because at $15 an album, they could only afford to buy Gulfstream 3's instead of Gulfstream 4's?
    • Well think about all the pool side parties that won't have the gold plated bar to serve cold refreshing drinks.
  • by arthur5005 ( 608816 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:26AM (#21167883)
    I just wrote quite the comment on the previous story on HULU, of what I think about the traditional Media Industry: my view [slashdot.org]

    it's complete rhetoric, but I believe networks like NBC have lost their usefulness in light of real choice based network (ie internet).
  • by rolfc ( 842110 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:27AM (#21167889) Homepage
    He is just showing the world that they are building their revenues on monopoly, and that they do not like competition, as it has the tendency to lower margins. This is the behaviour that our politicians are protecting with new privacyinvading laws and software patents.
    • by pla ( 258480 )
      He is just showing the world that they are building their revenues on monopoly

      Except, Apple doesn't have a monopoly. In anything.

      They have a music player like a dozen others (except more expensive). They have a phone/player like half a dozen others (except more expensive). They have a PC like a hundred others (I won't say it lest I start a flamewar).

      And they have an OS. Not a bad OS, mind you, but since it only (officially) runs on their version of a PC, they've rather severely limited their cust
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by rolfc ( 842110 )
        I wasnt referring to Apple as monopolists, I was referring to apple as competition.
  • by wickerprints ( 1094741 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:29AM (#21167903)
    ...when the movie/music industry execs get their panties up in a wad and behave like crybabies, insisting that they "deserve" a cut of profits on hardware sales. Each successive generation of corporate big shots is increasingly afflicted with the seemingly unstoppable disease that is called self-entitlement. "I'm going to cut in line because I'm busy and can't wait." "I'm going to swerve across 4 lanes of traffic while talking on my phone because I'm more important than everyone else." "That money is mine because I say it is."

    As children, these folks were the ones who stood alone on the playground at recess, holding the ball, because for all intents and purposes, they believed the entire world belonged to them. And they haven't grown up since then. The only reason why they've gotten as far as they have in life is because their limitless greed and egotism is repeatedly mistaken for ambition and confidence. The sad truth is that they only have as much power as others are willing to concede to them, and so their existence is more a reflection of the inability of our society to stand up and refuse to reward such psychopathy.
    • by mgblst ( 80109 )
      While funny, this isn't really how the world works. In the words of obi-wan kenobi, things look different from other points of view.

      The fact is that if they execs didn't manage to get their way, they did manage to get a cut of hardware sales, they would make a huge amount of money from it. It is almost immoral of them not to try, which usually doesn't go beyond a lot of words said frankly.

      It is similar to the way soccer players play. It makes such a huge difference if they get a penalty, it is almost immora
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        Your use of the word "immoral" is inconsistent with its understood meaning, because moral behavior is in accordance with what is considered good or acceptable by the society or culture in which that behavior takes place. Therefore, it is not "almost immoral" for executives to not try to use whatever means necessary to increase their control of the market or their share of the profits. To the extent that such behavior is prohibited by statute, consumer outrage, and yes, the morality of the cultural context
      • I'm sure in the world you live in would be immoral to let your children live.
        Good thing your world and the real world are two different things.
  • a little late (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rucs_hack ( 784150 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @03:35AM (#21167929)
    Y'know, perhaps if they'd spent the last seven years concentrating on monetizing the net for media distribution instead of sinking millions into lawyers and DRM systems they might actually have beaten Apple to it.

    The simple fact is Apple stepped into what was in effect an empty playing field while everyone else was still arguing over lockers in the changing room.
    • Far too late (Score:2, Insightful)

      by ThirdPrize ( 938147 )
      This is what i don't get. The concept of MP3s has been around for years, long before Apple decided to dip it's toe in the water. How much warning did the record companies needd that this was going to happen?

      What should have happened was this ...
      1)Record companies seen this coming.
      2)They should have developed a file format of their own and licensed it to Apple and M$ and Zen and iRiver. It might have DRM, it might not. As it would work with all the players out there it doesn't really matter. This is in
      • Re:Far too late (Score:4, Informative)

        by Technician ( 215283 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @05:13AM (#21168273)
        What should have happened was this ...
        1)Record companies seen this coming.


        Unfortunately they didn't see it coming. They thought they owned all music and so any MP3 was illegal. There will be no online stores simply because they will have no legal product.

        This is the exact mistake George Lucas made with the original Star Wars. It was never going to be released to the home video market. You could only see it in theaters. They wanted to do the Disney Bambi stunt. Release it every 7 years to a new generation of kids. The pirates showed them that was a mistake. The statute of limitations has run out, but I had my copy of Star Wars 4 years before it was released to the home market.

        The record industry is in the same boat for the same reasons.

        1 High price on the authorised format
        2 Limited Distribution in authorized channels
        3 Effecient peer to peer network (Sneakernet and Internet) with low duplication costs.

        The music industry didn't learn from the mistakes of Lucas and Disney
  • by MojoRilla ( 591502 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:00AM (#21168003)

    NBC Universal chief executive Jeff Zucker on Sunday urged colleagues to take a stand against Apple's iTunes, charging that the digital download service was undermining the ability of traditional media companies to set profitable rates for their content online.
    To be fair to traditional media companies, blow and hookers cost a lot of money.
    • by tyrione ( 134248 )
      And if they were both legalized, they could use both as tax right-offs--two areas of tax revenue completely overlooked because in the year 2007 we have leaders yearning for the year 1620. If there is any group that needs to "stay in the closet" it is the self-proclaiming moral righteous who spend their lives worrying about the affairs of others lives.
  • by femto ( 459605 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:03AM (#21168019) Homepage
    Apple isn't the cause of his woes. His real problem is that the Internet and the associated competition are driving the cost of his product towards the incremental cost of production, approximately zero. Artificial monopolistic barriers, such as intellectual property, are no match for the tsunami of the market.
    • The cost of replication is certainly nearly zero, but the cost of producing most non-reality, non-sitcom TV shows is far higher than that...So, while I'm in agreement that the anti-competative practices(I'm not sure I'd say monopolistic, since we have multiple major networks in actual competition at this point) can be removed from the equation, without NBC Universal, who's going to make the next Battlestar Galactica/insert other random special-effects-laden show here?

      In the movie industry and the television

  • by antifoidulus ( 807088 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:04AM (#21168021) Homepage Journal
    he sees what is happening to the RIAA and is scared. Labels are really no longer necessary for a large number of bands to get their music out, with digital distribution, significantly lower production costs etc. And a lot of bands are dropping their labels as fast as they can. The reason the RIAA hates iTunes is that iTunes isn't controlled by them thus has no qualms about selling independent content. They want to launch their own service that only has bands signed by them to try to force bands to stay signed, but its just not going to happen.

    NBC is worried about following in their footsteps. While the bar for TV shows is a bit higher, its certainly not out of reach. For instance, how much would it really cost a group of independent people to make the next Seinfeld? Not a lot, esp. now that good video editing tools are pretty cheap(if not free in some cases). Look at how "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" started, the pilot episode cost them less than $100 to make. Imagine if they promoted that on iTunes instead of selling it to a network? They probably could have got enough money to continue to make more episodes and live comfortably. NBC sees its own irrelevance and is doing everything it can to try to stay relevant, but long term its just not going to happen.
  • Why don't such people demand a cut in revenue for Office and Windows? they're vastly overpriced for what they are.
    • They should get a cut of your salary, since I am pretty sure than a big percentage of dollars went trough their bank account at some point in history.
  • by jonwil ( 467024 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:06AM (#21168029)
    Is that the pricing models (especially the 99c per song) take away the media corps ability to use price as a marketing tool and a way to get consumers to buy the content the media corps what them to buy (instead of what they really want to buy)
  • by stormguard2099 ( 1177733 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:24AM (#21168089)
    TFA

    NBC chief says Apple 'destroyed' music pricing
    I thought all the pirates were responsible for that! Now i'm really confused......
    • Oh well played sir! It really is painful to watch this all unfolding - the media giants just don't get what's happening and are fighting it in such a way as to alienate those they need/hope to hang on to. When I could safely download MP3s without fear of hassle by the RIAA, I ended up tripling my CD purchasing as I got to sample loads of music I'd never have done before. I'd read a review and think something sounded good but didn't fancy dropping $15 or whatever on a chance. When I could download it, listen
  • by MichaelCrawford ( 610140 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:25AM (#21168095) Homepage Journal
    And I blockquote [appleinsider.com]:

    "We know that Apple has destroyed the music business -- in terms of pricing -- and if we don't take control, they'll do the same thing on the video side," Zucker said at a breakfast hosted by Syracuse's Newhouse School of Communications.

    How have they destroyed the music business? Everywhere I go, especially when I ride public transit, I see people listening to iPods. The few without iPods are mostly listening to some other brand of player. While the RIAA member companies may complain of lost revenues due to filesharing, I still don't see any former record industry execs selling apples (the edible kind) on the street. It seems to me the music business is doing just fine, thank you very much.

    Apple pays the record labels for every download they sell. If they're not paying them enough, the labels have the right to take their business elsewhere but (except for NBC) they don't, so by definition they're making enough money.

    The key to understanding his complaint is his phrase "in terms of pricing". What that means is that the labels can no longer monopolistically control the price of recordings any more.

    And I think this is a good thing, good for the fans, and good for the people who really deserve to benefit from it: the musicians.

    I think such a loss of control is the reason the labels are so opposed to Internet radio: because everyone and his dog can run a streaming radio station from their home, Internet radio takes away from the big labels the ability to decide who the big stars are going to be. Payola just doesn't work anymore when fans have a choice of thousands of streaming music stations to listen to at every computer.

    The result of this is that I've noticed artists who were first made popular at places like Radio Paradise [radioparadise.com] getting airplay on traditional broadcast stations. And I can't remember the last time I listened to a ClearChannel station.

    • by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @05:16AM (#21168281)

      charging that the digital download service was undermining the ability of traditional media companies to set profitable rates for their content online

      Basically, in other words his statement reads: Competition undermines the ability of the media cartel to engage in price-fixing. Over the last 150 years, America's love of the free market has made America into the most powerful economy on earth. Now the media cartel wants to drag us into the 19th century, and up to now, our politicians are doing their best to help them for the most part.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by dangitman ( 862676 )

        America's love of the free market has made America into the most powerful economy on earth.

        Hmmm. I thought it was mostly FDR and WWII which achieved that.

    • by Jeff DeMaagd ( 2015 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @06:46AM (#21168723) Homepage Journal
      How have they destroyed the music business? Everywhere I go, especially when I ride public transit, I see people listening to iPods.

      They haven't destroyed the music business (yet), but there's a lot of ambiguity about what's on those iPods. Less than 4% of the content was sold by iTunes, something like an average of 20 tracks per iPod were sold. We don't know how much of the rest was legally obtained or not. My sister builds her collection by borrowing CDs from the library.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by MMC Monster ( 602931 )
        Err... Borrowed music (from a library, from friends, off the airwaves) are how a lot of people have been getting music for decades.

        In the early 80s I used to occasionally make mix tapes for friends overseas so they could hear what was new in the U.S. I don't know if this is legal. Then again, George W. Bush stated on the record that he received a mix tape from one of his daughters, and he hasn't been sued yet. My thought is that this falls under fair use.

        Libraries are great resources for all types of med
  • I'm no advocate of Apple. I generally think that people who buy there products value style over substance, but if NBC are whining about them, they must be doing something right.
    • Not "style over substance" - Apple users value productivity and lack of problems. Using Windows probably reduces my life expectancy, because of all the crappy problems and frustrations, and my experiences with Redhat 5 were even worse (which was my one experiment with home desktop Linux - although Linux seems fine at work when somebody else installs and supports it).

      People say "things have gotten better" all the time in the Windows and Linux camps, just like people say those things about American cars -
      • Like many of my fellow slashdotters, I'm an unpaid sysadmin for many of my relatives.

        It happens that, while my wife knows how to use a Mac, for reasons I find hard to understand, she prefers the Windows user interface, so she has an XP laptop. I have spent a great deal of time fixing problems with it, or explaining to her how to do things. It took several hours for her and one of her university's IT people to get her configured to use their wireless network for example; on Macs, you just turn the Airpor

  • If Itunes is making profits impossible then the companies will stop selling the music on Itunes or go bankrupt, Itunes will stop having music to sell and will go bankrupt. Or maybe, just maybe, the companies are making profits from Itunes sales, they simply want more profit. In that case, STFU.
  • by quokkapox ( 847798 ) <quokkapox@gmail.com> on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:40AM (#21168165)

    An appropriate Halloween metaphor for the media middleman industry.

    You media conglomerate networks and telecom provider companies don't seem to get it. We (the viewers) want you (the companies in control of the wires and the infrastructure) to simply deliver to us what we like. Without a hassle. That means that until I can get my Bill Maher every Friday night, until I can grab my Jon Stewart and Bear Grylls and Stephen Colbert and Ellen Degeneres and Charlie Rose and Bill Moyers and Alton Brown and Mike Rowe and Keith Olbermann, on demand, by paying something to you for it, I'll get what I want for free, via torrents or video blogs or other means.

    As it stands right now, I would have to subscribe to a cable company's entire digital cable lineup to get all of these stations, and I'd be subsidizing Fox News, CNN, ABC, CBS, Home Shopping Network, Lifetime, Hallmark, and who knows what other garbage.

    I'm not doing that anymore. I've nearly convinced my mom to drop her cable along with me. That's $55 something per month each, $110 * 12 = $1320 per year, we're paying for 100 ad-drenched channels, most of which we never watch anyway. Do you see how useless you've become in the internet age? Wake up and fix your problems, or you'll be gone in less than a decade.

  • Ah, (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @04:58AM (#21168227)

    AppleInsider caught Zucker urging colleagues to take a stand against Apple's iTunes, charging that the digital download service was undermining the ability of traditional media companies to set profitable rates for their content online.
    Competition is Hell, ain't it.
  • ...where we have COMPETITIVE markets, not fixed ones. Seriously - music companies seem to think that they can just demand that no one compete with them, and get away with it. If their costs for media production are so high that they can't make a profit at the same rates Apple can, perhaps it is they who need to look at their production costs. Obviously, if Apple weren't making a profit out of the iTunes Store it wouldn't continue to exist. The networks and labels need to realize that they have to adapt t
  • I always assumed NBC had some more legitimate reasons for ditching iTunes, and didn't necessarily disagree with them -- especially since they've been offering the shows for free on their site.

    However, this guy's comments strike me as being completely deranged. Even if NBC's executives really are opposed to online distribution, having such a loose cannon on board could become a huge liability to them. In other words, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he gets fired in the next few months.
  • by weave ( 48069 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @06:00AM (#21168469) Journal

    I got lazy last week and just paid the 99 cents to watch an episode of The Office that I missed on Comcast's "On Demand" service.

    IT HAD COMMERCIAL INTERRUPTIONS

    At each normal commercial point they showed a 30 second ad for some NBC show.

    Never again. I was steaming.

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  • "unable to set profitable rates" = "unable to rip everyone off anymore"

    grunka-lunka-dunkity-dahfitable,
    we don't care if your service is profitable!
  • $1.99 per ep? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tomstdenis ( 446163 ) <tomstdenis.gmail@com> on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @06:58AM (#21168775) Homepage
    Am I the only one who thinks that $1.99 per ep is too much? At that rate you might as well buy the box set, then at least you get a decent resolution and you can always re-encode it to fit the ipod later.

    Honestly, these hippies and their money, give it to me if you're having problems spending it.

  • If no one buys our buggy whips, what will we sell?!?!?!

    All is lost! Lost, I say!

    Apple has destroyed the honorable profession of making buggy-whips!
  • by joel.neely ( 165789 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @08:20AM (#21169527)

    Zucker whines

    that the digital download service was undermining the ability of traditional media companies to set profitable rates for their content online

    but unfortunately (for him and his ilk), he's fighting against both the inevitability of technological change and the just rewards (poetic justice, karma, payback, what-goes-around-comes-around, ... choose your favorite term) of his own example.


    As an amateur calligrapher with family members who are performers, I can confidently assert that:

    • the invention of the printing press undermined the ability of traditional scribes to set profitable rates for their content (handwritten books);
    • the automobile industry undermined the ability of traditional blacksmiths to set profitable rates for their content (horseshoes);
    • the recording industry undermined the ability of traditional (community-based) musicians to set profitable rates for their content;
    • television networks (undoubtedly obsessed with the profit margins of cheap "reality" shows) are undermining the ability of traditional actors and musicians to set profitable rates for their content (performances).


    Let's see NBC sharing a cut of their profits with a health insurance fund for performers. Then maybe I'll start listening to anything he has to say about being on the receiving end of a revenue-sharing proposal. Maybe.


  • by NiteShaed ( 315799 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @08:26AM (#21169623)
    [fade in from black]
    [hip charismatic kid]: Hi, I'm a Mac....
    [middle-aged, sorta nerdy guy]: And I'm a P.C......
    [insane looking creature who appears to be made from a conglomeration of movie monster parts]: And I'm the Entertainment Industry.....GIVE ME YOUR WALLETS YOU THIEVING BASTARDS!
  • by tm2b ( 42473 ) on Tuesday October 30, 2007 @02:00PM (#21174821) Journal
    Here's the thing - Apple and the content cartels have always been natural enemies. It's astonishing to me that the cartels have taken this long to figure it out, Apple's known it from the beginning.

    The big media companies do not create anything. In one of their business practices, they do enable the creation of content by providing the up-front capital. But because of their lock on distribution, they can extract completely unreasonable terms from anybody who wants to get paid for producing that content. With the way that the business is structured, there's only one game in town - it just has many faces. It's highway robbery in the classic sense - they control a critical piece of the road from creation to the consumer and get to take away as much as they can carry.

    That is, there was only one game in town. Now comes the Internet - you don't need a network of affiliates all over the country, you don't need to buy into a basic cable distribution package, you don't need to grovel at whatever deals the incompetent cartel executives tell you are in your best interests and ultimately you don't have to just swallow it when they tell you to dumb it down and add more tits and action. If you can get it created, the Internet will take care of the distribution for what is essentially free (at least, if you can figure out a way to make money, it'll be a tiny fraction of what people will pay).

    The content cartels' days are numbered, and they're going to blame everybody they can for the extinction of their business model when it's really just the march of technology that has finally obsoleted their highway robbery.

    We're not there yet but Apple, and anybody else who can figure out how to cut the cartels out of the decision making process while still allowing content creators to make money, is going to put these dinosaurs in the ground. And not a minute too soon.

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