Cracking iTunes' DRM with JHymn 449
comforteagle writes "Howard Wen has interviewed 'FutureProof' of the JHymn project, a DRM removal application for iTunes song files laden, or 'crippled' as some say, to prevent filesharing. FutureProof tells us how Apple's DRM works, how to rip it out using JHymn, how they build on the work of 'DVD' Jon Johansen, and how to upgrade to that brand new iShuffle safely."
What will Steve Jobs say? (Score:3, Funny)
Nothing, just as he's done for months now (Score:5, Interesting)
Hymn released a fix in short order - I think back in July? It was a long time ago anyway. And since that time, Apple has done nothing to shut down project-hymn.org. And multiple releases of iTunes since then have done nothing to stop these files from playing - which it cannot do because they are now identical to files that you rip from CD yourself with AAC!!
If Apple could or would do anything about Hymn, they would have done it by now.
Since sales on ITMS have kept going up, no-one really cares if you can break the DRM or not.
I'm not sure if Hymn still does it, but it used to even keep the ID of the owner in the file to make it impractical to share on P2P networks (as it could easily be traced back to the owner). I thougt that was a nice touch to show it really was not meant for piracy.
I use Hymn myself, no to crack my master files but to break them so I can share them at work. The annoying thing about iTunes sharing is that if another user is not authorized to play a song it halts and brings up a dialogue, making true random play over another users library impractical. Once a co-worker and I even went so far as to authorize each others computer to play our music so that we could listen to the libraries of the other.
I don't feel like using DRM cracks for this use is at all like P2P, since it's just streaming the song and not transferring it - plus lots of people discover music they might not have otherwise and it helps those artists out (which I feel P2P does as well, but it's a different and much greyer case).
Re:Nothing, just as he's done for months now (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nothing, just as he's done for months now (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, it was really annoying that Apple did that -- the entire reason for that uniqueness was to discourage copyright infringement by putting up a big red flag saying "this song was came from ITMS." Combined with the fact that it (still, hopefully) leaves the Apple user ID the hope was that Apple would sue copyright infringers (like the RIAA, only with an accurate way to tell who's infringing). Instead, Apple forced them to remove the feature, which was stupid because it was in Apple's own best interests to have it there in the first place!
I wouldn't call it a "fix;" I would call it a "regrettably necessary workaround of Apple's stupidity."
Just FYI, there are several programs (for example, Leechster) that allow people to download from iTunes shares instead of just stream. It's still not in the same league as Kazaa, since you have to be in close physical (or logical, in the case of VPNs) proximity to use it, though.
Re:Nothing, just as he's done for months now (Score:2)
MyTunes [cowpimp.com] and OurTunes [f00f.com]
Did you read the article? (Score:3, Informative)
Uh dude 3/4 of the article was about why that is not true at all. Two reasons were given. First, Ipod and Itunes memorizes what songs were bought from the music store. If it sees that song with out the DRM it wont play. Amusingly it will play on any machine that did not purchase that song, it just wont play o
You know... (Score:5, Funny)
It's much easier to use the five-finger discount.
Re:You know... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:You know... (Score:5, Funny)
Remember kids, stealing music helps the artists!
Insurance? (Score:2)
The only one getting screwed is the retail store, and if it's an independent retailer (are there any left in the CD business?) then it's really sad. I probably wouldn't lose sleep if it was Wal*Mart getting ripped off.
Re:Insurance? (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.mostchoice.com/business_insurance_cr
Found others too.
As a business owner, believe me, there is insurance for pretty much anything. The only question is whether the premiums are worth it. My broker would be happy to fill you in.
Larry
Re:You know... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:You know... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's got nothing to do with either law or morality. It's just got to do with how far you're willing to delude yourself. Is that it?
Re:You know... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:You know... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's got nothing to do with either law or morality. It's just got to do with posting flamebaits and being smug. Is that it?
Re:You know... (Score:2)
Exactly how is it stealing from iTMS? Were details published on how to hack into Apple's servers and download the tracks stored there without paying for them?
Didn't think so.
Re:You know... (Score:2)
Re:You know... (Score:3, Insightful)
From the point of view of the RIAA, downloading MP3s is worse than stealing CDs because it implies you are participating in the global piracy rings called P2P services, and probably committing thousands of copyright infringements automatically as peop
+5 Delusional (Score:2)
Fancy talking about people deluding themselves! Ha!
Re:You know... (Score:2)
That's called criminal rationalization. You could do the same thing for a CD in the store: The store will just write it off as a loss, and recover the money as a tax break so they aren't losing anything either.
Re:You know... (Score:2)
Let's flip this on its head, shall we? Morally and legally, stealing somebody's physical property and stealing somebody's creating property are exactly the same thing. The only people who could possibly argue that they're different are people who really, really want to take other people's work without paying for it.
I love this shit (Score:5, Insightful)
If it's digital, and the end user can see / hear it, it can be copied. Perfectly. Deal with it, and make it interesting to buy instead of pirating.
Re:I love this shit (Score:2, Informative)
"Protected CDs" rippeable pressing CTRL
That was shift.
Re:I love this shit (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I love this shit (Score:3, Insightful)
i don't know the proper way to deal with it. but i can see why DRM is being used. i don't think it's as bl
Re:I love this shit (Score:4, Insightful)
You just can't keep digital media from being pirated. It's as simple as that. Try a different aproach.
For example, i like buying CDs. I like having a nice, pressed, shiny CD with a good looking booklet. I like buying books, and i like buying DVDs.
I also download a lot, even though i usually end up buying what i really like. I would buy a lot more, but the thing is, music/dvds and even books are still way too expensive. Why not lowering the price, knowing that you'll still make a profit? (no, i don't beleive $20 for a CD is reasonable)
Re:I love this shit (Score:4, Insightful)
"So why bother a paying user if your product is going to be pirated anyway? It's a battle you can't win; you might as well accept it as a price of doing buisness."
Accepting it is not the same as not taking measures to reduce it. Ask any retailer; they'll tell you that there's always going to be a certain amount of shoplifters, but rather than simply give up trying to fight it, retailers put anti-shoplifting measures into place. These, too, can bother paying users, but retailers have evidently done careful analysis to understand that it's worth the tradeoff. Case in point: Costco (or whatever your local club store is) has chosen the route of inspecting your reciept on the way out, rather than just simply giving up and "accepting" shoplifting. Perhaps Slashdot users know better, but I doubt it. It's a complex situation that cannot be resolved with simple bromides such as "piracy will happen, so give up on DRM."
"I also download a lot, even though i usually end up buying what i really like. I would buy a lot more, but the thing is, music/dvds and even books are still way too expensive. Why not lowering the price, knowing that you'll still make a profit? (no, i don't beleive $20 for a CD is reasonable)."
Huh? CDs haven't been $20 in years, and prices have been falling rapidly. The average price of a new CD dropped 4% last year [bandradio.com], to $12.95. The record companies are way ahead of you on this one.
I've lost you on the "knowing you'll still make a profit" part, though. The record industry gets by with pretty shitty margins in general, and many CDs lose money.
Re:I love this shit (Score:2)
Re:I love this shit (Score:2)
Re:I love this shit (Score:5, Interesting)
It was pirated the same; in fact, there was a NO-STEAM a day after release. So you could argue it was less of a hassle for pirates to play it than it was for some users from what i've read
Re:I love this shit (Score:3, Interesting)
The act of stripping the DRM puts the user in a different legal position. I think the industry's threshold is the point where users must go to significant lengths to get around it. For projection that, for example, is based on a CD that autolaunches DRM software, users can reasonably argue that they didn't even realize there was protection (they use Mac or Linux, or have autolaunch turned off or something).
I don't think you
What is that old saying... (Score:5, Funny)
Why crack it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Admittedly, without the thrill of "fighting the man", but in this case "the man" is giving you virtually everything you asked for (inexpensive music you can try before you buy with the ability to download exactly what you want and make mix CDs, which you could then rip as well without needing this tool.) Now Apple is going to have to crack down again.
What does this win us? The music industry can point to this as another example of why the restrictions need to be in the hardware and the hardware manufacturers are already in their pocket as far as the next generation of motherboards are concerned. Thanks to the pirates, those of us who buy the stuff again have to pay with further restrictions.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Re:Why crack it? (Score:5, Insightful)
I wasn't aware you were able to get custom made mix CDs at stores with tracks numbering in the 100s of thousands. Cool.
Obviously iTunes is popular because some people don't like to spend $13+ on an entire album when they only want one song. They want to make their own mixes and still not have DRM on them I guess.
there is no DRM when you burn it as audio (Score:3, Interesting)
iTunes has some limit to the number of burns a playlist can have...... but you can either change the playlist by mixing around one song, or take one burnt CD and just use disc copy on that "master" cd.
Re:there is no DRM when you burn it as audio (Score:2)
And that is the magic word that makes people seek to overcome stupid DRM limits.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Then iTunes comes along, and now we have access to cheap, downloadable content. Has that stopped (or even impacted) file sharing in any significant way? Has that stopped people from STILL complaining?
If this is the standard reaction -- if someone comes up with something, we'll crack it and still figure out a way to get it for fre
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
> cheap, downloadable content. Has that stopped (or
> even impacted) file sharing in any significant
> way? Has that stopped people from STILL
> complaining?
I think what happened is that the RIAA made such a fuss about prosecuting "pirates", nailing 12yo kids and grandmothers in the process, that they've built up a huge amount of bad feeling towards them. Worse, while doing that, the RIAA member companies (who exist to *market* product in a f
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Personally, if I were offering tunes for a buck, and a bunch of folks said even if it were a penny they wouldn't pay, just out of spite, I would not only not lower my prices to a penny, but I would double, triple, or even quadruple (or whatever-tuple) my efforts to take legal action against everyone.
I hope that doe
Re:Why crack it? (Score:5, Informative)
These are people who make a business running artists into the ground. The cartel has effectively monopolized the music industry, shooting themselves in the foot in the process.
Think about it: what's the RIAA's big justification for the high cost of CDs and the reason they financially destroy so many artists? They claim they have to take a big risk on artists, as it's expensive to produce, tour, promote, etc.
Who said rockstars need to have their every whim catered to? Who drove the cost of music videos through the roof? Who demands artists pay $20,000/hour for some "big name" producer to hit a few buttons in Pro Tools? Who demands artists pay thousands an hour for studio time? Who created this bloated, overinflated, cookie cutter music market where it's ridiculously expensive to get exposure? Who helped create the radio station conglomerates like Clear Channel and Infinity? Who created this situation where it's prohibitively difficult for non-affiliated artists to get more than small, local exposure?
The whole point, is the industry is solely responsible for this situation they're in. They flat-out lie in press releases. They slander their own customers, and treat them like criminals. They charge too much for a lackluster service, and now we're supposed to feel sorry for them? When's the last time the industry showed any good will towards its customers?
No, the RIAA isn't listening; they're oblivious and out of touch. No one wants DRM. Yet they insist on it. We want more reasonably priced music, but they won't give that to us, either. Yet they've created an environment where it's exceedingly difficult to be exposed to music that isn't being actively pimped by them! And now we're supposed to bend over and take it in the ass while they use one law to make an end-run around another and screw us out of our rights?
[b]Fuck them and the horse they rode in on[b/].
The truly stupid thing about this is that iTunes already provides a mechanism for doing what JHymn does - burn a CD, re-rip it. Problem solved. All JHymn does is streamline the process a bit.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:3, Insightful)
Dude, it's the grossly underpaid engineers who hit the buttons on Pro Tools.
The "big name" producers usually sit on the couch and go "I don't know, what do you think."*
*Yes, there are exceptions, but not many.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Uh, the people who paid, still pay, and continue to pay for it? Big-evil-corporations exist because people pay them money. Nobody needs music on CDs/records/tapes, or encoded in mp3s. Nobody has a right to it. The only rights involved are those of the creator and of those to whom he delegates his rights.
Nobody forces an artist to sign a contract with a big label. They do it of their own free will, generally because of greed. They aren't content with having their "real" jobs, playing at local venues when they aren't working to pay rent, perhaps growing popular through word of mouth. They want to "hit it big" and think they need the power of an agent/label/distributor/so-on. Such is their right.
That a work of art should have protection against copying was an obvious and fundamental enough concept that our ancestors enshrined it in the Constitution of the United States as an explicit obligation of the Congress to enforce, over two hundred years ago, when music was sold via lyric sheet. The mental product of your fellow man has value, and is worthy of legal protection. Regarding DRM, finding some clever way to open a vault and remove the gold within makes it no less theft. Finding clever ways around DRM to extract the protected work within makes the act no less theft.
Nobody has the right to music, or software, cable TV or for that matter health care. Something that requires the labor of another is not a right. To believe otherwise is to believe that others must labor uncompensated (see: slavery) for oh-so-special you. If you don't like the price being charged, if you don't like the terms of the sale (usage restrictions), don't buy it, and don't steal it. Something that is worth stealing is worth protecting. You know that, they know that.
It's very simple. If enough people cut restricted/expensive music out of their lives entirely, the market will adapt.
Larry
Re:Why crack it? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
iTunes doesn't give you everything - although it is a workable format. If you could set the price of the tracks lower, say 50 cents or whatever, and, as an artist, cut a deal with iTunes yourself - this would be much cl
Re:Why crack it? (Score:4, Interesting)
No per-track at all. A flat-rate or collective license model would work. The collective-license model would work best, since in that case, they could simply allow P2P to operate legally. The users would, in that case, absorb the costs of bandwidth, distribution, and manufacturing of the CD's if desired. All the labels would have to do is sit back and collect the money.
Of course, given that, they could no longer -control- distribution. Might that be the reason for the resistance to something which in every other way is pure profit for them?
However, a flat-rate model would also work. And I'm not talking "RealRhapsody"-I'm talking a per-month flatrate for downloadable, burnable, DRM-free content, with EVERYTHING available, not just whatever few labels they can get to sign on, in (within reason) a format of choice-perhaps choices between .mp3, .flac, .ogg, and a raw uncompressed format.
When they offer that (provided the fee isn't astronomical), I'll have my credit card ready. Until then, I'll keep right on downloading. And by the way, guys-DRM is trivial to break.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Artists and such could follow such an open-source model. The FSF might be against that, but I don't work for them, and I have no problem with that concept.
Also, artists could be paid based on number of downloads. If a million dollars are available, and my song is downloaded 999,999 times to your 1 time of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I get the 999k and change, and you get a buck. It is possible to get pretty accurate statistics through random sampling, ask TV about Nielsen ratings. Networks can also be sampled more widely. Not perfect, but very close (and really, the imperfections would amount to no more then current clerical errors on cue sheets). As to where the money would come from, it would come from a "pool" from the flat rates paid, or under collective license model, under a tax on (media/bandwidth/CD burners/take your pick). That pool would be divided according to popularity (so no, your version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star does -not- weigh in equally with Nickelback's new single. Unless you get the same number of downloads.)
And of course, artists would still be able to perform live. There is certainly something about seeing Dave Matthews live that downloading a videotape of the performance doesn't even begin to capture, as is true of many other artists. Not everything can be digitized, but this model would be very fair to both producer and consumer for those things which can be.
And not everyone downloads this stuff. Some people prefer to go to Best Buy and purchase their shiny new CD/DVD/shrinkwrapped software package. Those people will not be going away anytime soon. But in the meantime, some of us don't. And every successful company in the world learns this-it's a cliche, but most cliches get that way because they're correct.
The customer is ALWAYS right.
When your customers say "We want this", you have several choices. You may find a way to deliver what they want, in the way they want it, at the price they want it, and make money. If you do this, your business will succeed. You may decide it's impossible, close up the shop, and go home to try something else. Or you may tell your customers that they're wrong, and try to push on them what they don't want rather than give them what they do. In that case, you should spend time researching bankruptcy lawyers, you'll need one pretty soon.
Currently, the "IP industries" are telling us-their customers-that not only are we wrong, we are thieves. I wonder, if I get into law school specializing in bankruptcy now, how soon I can graduate? There'll be a need pretty soon. Treating your customers like criminals is not, anywhere that I've seen, advised for someone who wants to run a successful business. And don't kid yourself that this is theft. This is an intangible. Theft is walking into the store and walking out with an item (a physical one) for which you did not pay. What's going on here is more akin to walking in and talking to the salescperson for a while, but not buying anything. You cost the company money, granted (they pay those salespeople, and they could've been selling to someone interested), but by the logic of the **AA's, that company should be able to sue you. For causing them-not real damages, but imaginary, potential damages.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Most mp3s I downloaded from Kazaa (don't do this any more, being a good citizen now) sounded fairly good on my stereo.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Admittedly, without the thrill of "fighting the man", but in this case "the man" is giving you virtually everything you asked for... (emphasis mine)
This is exactly the problem. The customer is the one (potentially) paying the company money-- if they want customer support, they would provide what customers want, not "virtually" what they want. That intentionally-included lack of desired functionality is the whole concern.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
What CD are you talking about? The one with half a dozen obscure blues songs and a bit of Humphery Littleton? Oh, look! It doesn't exist.
You dickhead, the point of iTunes is the ability to buy single tracks. If I wanted whole CDs worth I'd buy them, since they're cheaper and higher quality. Only a retard would buy entire albums on iTunes, DRM or not.
What does this win us?
It wins us nothing, it just stops us losing. You know: losing the rights that we have to li
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2, Informative)
No driving to the store, hunting through overpriced bins, etc... And after you purchase that music, and saved it to your fileserver, you want to be able to listen to it wherever, whenever. So rip the DRM out of it and play it on your MP3 player, your Linux box, your toster, whatever.
Plus, My g/f just bought an album off of ITunes for $10. Some obscure band that she just had to have a c
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Re:Why crack it? (Score:3, Insightful)
1 - Because the CD probably has DRM on it too, these days.
2 - Because even if you get a non-DRMed CD, eventually, someday, downloaded music may become the normal way to buy music, and CDs will go the way of the vinyl LP.
Either way, you're going to need a way to get rid of the DRM so that you can listen to your own music as you see fit.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
Really? Because you know most CDs don't have DRM, right? I'm not disagreeing with you but exaggeration doesn't build your case.
Re:Why crack it? (Score:2)
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Re:Why crack it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why should I buy an entire CD when I can buy the two or three songs I want via a brillant interface that's better than any other online music service? And its not a hassle. One-time setup of account, 99c a song and a quick run of Jhymn is hardly a hassle.
"but in this case "the man" is giving you virtually everything you asked for (inexpensive music you can try before you buy with the ability to download exactly what you want and make mix CDs, which you could then rip as well without needing this tool.) "
So circumventing Apple's DRM one way is okay but another way isn't? Wow, great logic. Let me ask, if I record to a tape from my audio out of a DRM file is that illegal as well? If the end result is the same what's the difference? Who is being harmed when the end result in a unencrypted file in EVERY SINGLE CASE. What because your taking the extra step of going DRM-CD-RIP and someone else goes DRM-RIP your method is somehow better for Apple? In what way? Why are you even suggesting Burning and Ripping? Are you one of those people who upload all of your Itunes music to P2P? Oh no wait, that's what you Apple defenders are constantly accusing us paying customers of doing.
"What does this win us? The music industry can point to this as another example of why the restrictions need to be in the hardware and the hardware manufacturers are already in their pocket as far as the next generation of motherboards are concerned"
Or they could point to the built in loophole of ripping from CD which rendered Apples DRM useless from day one.
"Thanks to the pirates,"
Excuse me? Pirates? Who? The people who PAID APPLE for each and every song and use a program which ONLY works if your the one who purchased the music in the first place? Yea those bastards!
The Pirates are on P2P sharing songs they never bought. The people using this tool aren't pirates. Get it straight already. And get over your holier than thou, how you dare use a product in a way other then intended attitude. You've benefitted more from reverse engineering and people using products in ways not intended then you could possibly imagine.
Prevent filesharing? (Score:2, Insightful)
or crippled files to prevent me from doing whatever I want with the files I BOUGHT, thankyouverymuch. I don't share, I don't pirate, but I demand total freedom when it comes to changing from one's format to another.
Re:Prevent filesharing? (Score:2, Insightful)
I just used JHymn (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:2)
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:2)
I'm looking for that now...
There's an option to burn mp3s onto a CD (Edit: Preferences: Burning), and if you import music you can import as an MP3 (But it's twice the size as an AAC).
I don't see any option to convert your AAC's to MP3s on the HD.
Personally, we haven't had any problem with simply copying the AAC to another computer (Copy to portable storage/DVD, bring storage to friends house, copy to their computer).
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:2)
Anyways to solved your hdd problem, change your import settings to the mp3 bitrate/quality you want, then select the files you want, then right clikc (on pc?) and convert to mp3.
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:2)
Hrm, all I have is "Convert Selection to AAC"
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I just used JHymn (Score:2)
Modify the "export" settings by changing the "import" settings. It's so intuitive!!!
How about an "Save as
Not quiet any more (Score:2)
FP: Things have been quiet. I'm thinking that hymn has figured less into Apple's latest actions than their efforts against Real's Harmony project, with hymn and its derivatives simply being regarded as collateral damage.
It's not quiet any more. Not once it hits Slashdot!
Re:Not quiet any more (Score:2)
Now, that's all rumor, so who knows. But if I had to guess, i'd say Apple doesn't care very much about their customers cracking the DRM. Other companies trying to mimic the DRM for use on
FairPlay LIMITS sharing, doesn't prevent it (Score:4, Insightful)
You can also burn any iTunes track to CD. Only limit is you can only burn 5 copies of a playlist before you have to change the songs in the playlist. Which means if you or your friend spring for the cost of a CD, you can share any song you like, as many times as you like, with whomever you like, just like other physical media.
I think that's a super middle-ground. Steve Jobs has discussed MANY times that DRM will be cracked, but FairPlay is pretty good. Apple puts a sticker on all their iPods that says, "Please don't steal music." Please point me to a better approach to DRM or filesharing scheme. Yes, DRM sucks, but it's not going anywhere if you want to use downloaded RIAA music.
Re:FairPlay LIMITS sharing, doesn't prevent it (Score:2)
"Computers just have to be on a local network and they can listen to all your music whenever you want" is not quite accurate. A computer must be authorized under the owning account to stream a protected AAC, and it can only be authoriz
iTunes set the best standard (Score:5, Insightful)
They forget that Apple has SET THE STANDARD for sensible DRM that is reasonable for the consumer.
I've been around a long time, and have seen plenty of stupid stuff. Divx (in the DVD space) moved things back, lawsuits and claims about the mp3 format itself, a joke.
But I've also got a sense of history. Before apple came along legal online music was GHASTLY.
You think iTunes is "laden" and "crippled" with DRM? People have forgotten that before apple came along there was a fragmented music space with DRM that meant you couldn't move songs between computers, burn them to CD's, and stores run by companies that were no fun to do business with. Subs, if you canceled, your music vanished.
For most folks, fairplay is actually fair. Most people don't end up playing on more then five computers. Unlimited burns of a song, and seven burns of a specific CD are reasonably fair. The authorization process isn't terribly painful.
Remember, the RIAA used to claim on their dumb soundbyting site that making a tape copy of a CD was copyright infringment. And they were probably right, it was.
The one big issues with iTunes are lack of open source support (tricky, but they should do better here) and the lock-in to iPods as the portable music player for the service. The issue is that software needs to provide the DRM. Luckily for apple they've got a reasonable ipod product. This lockin will have to evolve though of course, open source and linux are not supported so far.
But from a DRM perspective, they really moved the industry forward. If the media companies had their way we'd be stuck with Sony's ATRAC format.
So, complaints and props to apple.
Shill or just don't care about your rights? (Score:5, Insightful)
If you give up control, you get what you deserve.
Re:Shill or just don't care about your rights? (Score:3, Interesting)
If you give up control, you get what you deserve.
Which I also believe in. I believing in keeping control... perhaps the JHymn creators do as well. However, ranting about how Fairplay is just like all the other DRM is counterproductive. I believe, cur
Re:Shill or just don't care about your rights? (Score:2)
Really? So why was it to make the iTunes sharing programs that worked in version 4.0 stop working, I had to download and install 4.0.1? Why is it to lower the number of burns of a single playlist from 10 to 7, and increase the number of shared computers from 3 to 5, I had to install a newer version of iTunes (4.5).
If Apple is truely in control of everything as you say they are they should be able to make DRM changes remote
I want to play it everywhere! MP3 is the standard (Score:2)
Yeah, itunes DRM isn't so bad. Especially if you have an ipod. However with the advent of mp3 cd/ tivo remote players, I want my play my purchased itunes on my mp3 cds with my ripped mp3s.
I don't complain about it, I just convert them to 256+kbps mp3. Its a pain in the patukas. Its not that bad sounding (although I keep the purchased songs around).
I understand apple couldn't sell without the DRM, so I stopped complaining about it.
Re:iTunes set the best standard (Score:3, Insightful)
Well yeah. The RIAA cartel abused it's monopoly power to suppress any legal download market at all for what, half a decade? They imposed a market vacuum. Hell, they created the P2P explosion. Huge market demand, and a conspiracy to create a market vacuum. And markets abhorr a vacuum just as much as nature. Of course a gray/black market exploded to fill that artificial vacuum.
And after years of countless companies dying to serve the online market, the
Re:iTunes set the best standard (Score:3, Informative)
That's an untrue statement, and it's kind of disappointing that you'd stoop to making it. You can burn an audio CD. A standard, no-funny-business, plays-everywhere audio CD. Which "your hardware" (we're talking about a stereo, right?) can "parse." (We're still talking about a stereo, right? Why all the jargon?)
If you want to then take that audio CD and go elsewhere wit
I'd like to think I'm not cracking anything here.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Probably still illegal nonetheless, but I really don't feel very 37331 when I do it.
Burn, Hollywood, Burn (Score:2)
Re:Terminator X (Score:2)
"Sensible DRM" Sensible to Who? (Score:5, Insightful)
Now if Apple licensed Fairplay playback to device manufactures and software developers, that might change people's opinion but as it stands now, Apple computer has a monopoly of fairplay enabled music playback. I would suggest that Apple open Fairplay, but as we all know, the concept of DRM is simply PKI turned upside down. Its a game of digital hide and seek or "security by obscurity," so it is simply not possible to open source any software based DRM scheme.
Lets look at this situation from another angle, if Microsoft was the leading online music retailer and used a format that could only be played back on Microsoft hardware and software products, would people be defending them? The hypocrisy and denial of Apple fanboys on /. is so blatant, its not even amusing anymore.
Re:"Sensible DRM" Sensible to Who? (Score:3, Insightful)
Your argument would almost even make sense if iPod only played music purchased through Apple's iTunes music store. But, the fact is, you can play whatever you want on the hardware (Sorry, Ogg has its place and purposes, but really isn't all that relevant for consumer music playback).
Apple doesn't own the music, they own th
Crippled is the wrong word. (Score:2, Insightful)
"Crippled" is when something isn't working the way it was intended. Songs from the iTunes Music store work the way they are supposed to. If you don't want DRM laden music, don't buy it.
intended by whom? (Score:3, Insightful)
You can't say "works as intended" to a user of the songs, because their intent is different than the DRM designers. DRM is never built to help the customer in any way, only to restrict end-user rights.
Book on Watermarking (Score:5, Informative)
FutureProof said that Apple is putting watermarking in their music and they are looking for the lack of that watermark in future versions of iTunes (both to stop competitors and most likely identify those who would rip from iTunes and resell it illegally). Nothing has stated that the watermark is an Apple-wide watermark (i.e. distributed to all users) or if it is a per user watermark added on top of the Apple watermark (double water-marked).
Unless this makes your head swim, there is an excellent book that most folks with a bachelor's degree in some field which involved math should be able to read and understand: Information Hiding Techniques - Techniques for Steganography and Digital Watermarking (ISBN 1-580-53035-4), by Katzenbeisse. This and some other related books can been seen at forensics.nl [forensics.nl].
Note: I am not affiliated with any of these publishers or authors, but merely read through the above mentioned book and found it appropriate for the topic.
Re:DRM (Score:2)
Re:DRM (Score:5, Interesting)
This isn't flamebait - it's true. DRM costs money - removing it generates revenue. Counterintuitive? Case in point:
An iBook came into my household this christmas. I had heard about iTunes for years, but not being on Windows or Mac, had never seen more than a screenshot. So anyway, I try it out and buy an album I once had but lost to a departing girlfriend. It was cool, but I also knew it was DRMed - and indeed, when trying the file on my linux box - no joy. I didn't buy any more music after that. No way would I pay for music I can only listen to on one computer (I want it to work at home (linux/new mac), work (linux), studio (linux)). So I didn't buy any more music - then I heard about Jhymn - installed it, stripped the DRM off my files, txr over to my linux box, and voila - lot's of joy.
That was about a week ago - I've spent over $30 on iTunes in short time since then (it's frighteningly addictive and easy to click "buy" - especially when sleepy late late at night). Without DRM stripping I would have spent a big fat ZERO.
Moral of the story:I only buy from iTunes BECAUSE I'm able to strip the DRM and play the files on my linux boxes
Re:DRM (Score:2, Interesting)
But *legally* Apple cannot condone any DRM strip scheme. The problem here is not with Apple.
All things considered, Fairplay is a pretty amazing concession from the RIAA in the first place.
Re:DRM (Score:3, Interesting)
Why did you choose to do it the hard way? And more important, are you trying to say that the only place you've got copies of these songs that you bought and paid for is on hard drives? Why didn't you burn them to CD anyway for permanent safe-keeping?
Re:DRM (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:hope he doesnt get used (Score:2, Informative)
Dvd jon proved to us that we have a right to use our purchased media in whatever way
we see fit as long as we don't break copyright (or other) law.
EULA? what EULA!? I'm copying music from my computer to my mp3 player, then
on to another computer, all for my personal use, in the privacy of my home.
No law broken here.
Re:Slashdotted Already! (Score:2)
As predicted by the RIAA agents. Well done, boys! *evil chuckle*
Re:apple zealots - start your engines (Score:3, Insightful)
If it weren't for Apple's DRM on the music sold through the iTMS, there would be no iTMS. No way to buy that one track you like. No way to support the artists that deserve the support. None at all.
Your turn.
Re:Manual for the Modern Slashdotter (Score:2)
Re:Itunes getting progressively worse (Score:2)
Re:Jon Johansen? (Score:3, Interesting)
This [sethf.com] is a link.
They do watermark each purchased song (Score:2)
So each song downloaded is tagged, I'm not sure if the username is tied into the encrytption or not though. It seems a lot of work to encrypt each song purchased.
Re:I'd BUY songs on iTunes if they were DRM free (Score:3, Insightful)
If you buy music from iTunes, none of your music is of archival quality. For that, you need to store your music as AIFF of FLAC files.
In an ideal world, where everyone has lots of bandwidth and storage, people would buy their music online in FLAC format, which they can do whatever they like with: burn to CD, convert to MP3 etc.
Re:Why We Like Breaking DRM (Score:3, Interesting)
" If you want to "support your artists," then you shouldn't give money to the RIAA companies. Fact is that the vast majority of the money you pay for CDs doesn't go to the artists, but to the corporate coffers."
Huh? About 30% of the price you pay for a CD goes to the store that sells it to you. Likewise, most of the money that the record company gets for the CD goes to paying the various people who helped create the CD. "Corporate coffers" sounds like you think it's going into some Gringots-style ban