iTMS Sells 100,000,000th Song 432
Macslacker writes "At 10:26 PM PDT on Sunday, July 11, Apple apparently sold its 100 millionth song at the iTunes Music Store. While the contest may now be over, congrats to Apple for a job well done."
10,000 Words And Not A Shred of Meaning (Score:5, Funny)
1. "Apple rocks!"
2. "Apple fanboys suck!"
3. Late GNAA post.
4. "This proves the music industry isn't doing badly!"
5. Something about fruity names, dumb music players, and profit.
6. iPod raves.
7. Repeat comments 1-2.
8. OSX raves.
9. Inane remarks about a certain ex-Soviet country.
10. Repeat comments 1-2.
11. "RealPlayer sucks!"
12. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of iPods!
13. Repeat comments 1-2.
14. Something about how Bush is responsible for all of this.
15-99. Repeat comments 1-14.
Re:10,000 Words And Not A Shred of Meaning (Score:5, Funny)
Re:10,000 Words And Not A Shred of Meaning (Score:5, Interesting)
It kind of highlights the good and bad of iTunes. Good: this is a remix off an EP I can't find on Amazon, I've never heard it before and I wanted it, clicked buy and for $3 it was mine right away, no shipping, and here's a nice image of the band along with a detailed description of their music in general. Bad: this album never ONCE came up when I did searched for MF Doom in the past and there's no liner notes, no way for me to tell who that masked man [stonesthrow.com] is if I liked the flow and wanted to hear more of it.
iTunes still offers a more convenient browsing, sampling and delivery system than any other way to purchase music, if you can get over the (largely irrelevant) fact that it's a DRM wrapped 128 kbit AAC. I say largely irrelevant, because none of these (compressed audio, DRM or the fact that it's got DRM) affect your ability to hear or purchase the music, which is what I want to do. I know I'm not buying perfect CD quality audio -- but then again, buying a CD these days could mean copy-protected audio with no personal backup or mixology rights. The way I listen to music, that's far less acceptable than DRM or compression.
Incidentally, I bought $45 worth of music last night at 1:00, hoping to "snipe" the 100,000,000th song. Didn't work, but I did end up with some awesome Dylan albums I didn't already own, each of which would be $16-$18 at Borders.
Re:10,000 Words And Not A Shred of Meaning (Score:4, Informative)
Re:10,000 Words And Not A Shred of Meaning (Score:3, Interesting)
You forgot one:
(I know that's the one I really want to know the answer to...)
Yaz.
That's all good and well... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:That's all good and well... (Score:5, Informative)
Somersault (Dangermouse remix) by Zero7
Re:That's all good and well... (Score:3, Informative)
Incidentally, that song is available for FREE as an no-DRM MP3 on Dangermouse's website [waxploitation.com]. HA! I'd chastise the guy for paying for what's already free, but he did get a new powerbook, ipod, and 10,000 songs out the deal.
Re:That's all good and well... (Score:5, Informative)
He got some really nice prizes out of it too.
Re:That's all good and well... (Score:3, Funny)
And as the poor guy might be on dialup, he can now spend the rest of his life putting his music collection together
Re:That's all good and well... (Score:2, Informative)
Monday, July 12, 2004 @ 5:55am
Early Monday morning Apple announced that its iTunes Music Store has reached the 100 million song mark-- after launching a 'Countdown to 100 Million Song' promotion earlier this month. The milestone, a first for the online music industry, sets the standard for other music services, as Apple reached the mark only 15 months after launching the service in April 2003. Kevin Britten (of Hays, Kansas), who downloaded Somersault (Da
Oh well (Score:5, Funny)
I never used the service until... (Score:5, Interesting)
the contest was annouced, Apple is the real winner here, i bought 20 songs I would never of bought. I've had itunes for ages and never used it.
The counter is still running for those who didn't download the 3rd party counters, even after the comp, they are still selling song by the thousands. its already very nearly gone over another 100,000 songs already, it just doesn't stop!
Grammar Man to the Rescue! (Score:3, Funny)
I'm sorry but I must interject. Grammar Man is here to save you from Gramacide. Note the bolded portion in the above statement. My message to you is:
Should you find yourself in another situation like the above, remember what Grammar Man said: would've!
*This message was furnished by Grammar Man. He approves this message*
Would have, should have, could "have" (Score:5, Funny)
I think a proper pedagogue and sesquipedalian would insist upon eschewing the contraction. The real horror was using "of" instead of "have."
Congratulations (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Congratulations/downloading movies (Score:2)
Re:Congratulations/downloading movies (Score:2)
Re:Congratulations/downloading movies (Score:5, Insightful)
With music, you are more likely to "play" it in a variety of contexts that are already well-established. I used my iPod a great deal this past week, both on a family vacation to Niagara Falls (about 10 hours each way) and on several short trips. The passengers in the back might have been interested in watching video, but those of us in the driver's seat aren't (or shouldn't be). For the backseat crowd, there are already solutions for playing DVDs that way.
WRT downloading movies, there's a different issue. Of all the movies that I really love, only a handful have been worth re-watching enough for me to buy the DVD. (This excludes my purchases of movies for the kids when they were younger, and would watch "The Lion King" or "Alladin" several times each week.) If push came to shove, and I had to rebuild my video collection from scratch, I'd probably only repurchase 5-10 movies. The rest are just not that important to me.
Now... why would I bother downloading/storing that number of videos to an iPod-like device? There are other products in the portable DVD space that accomplish the same basic functionality, and the times that I would actually watch a movie away from my home system (vacation or a REALLY long trip where I'm the passenger) are few and far between. Again, that need is quite nicely satisfied by a portable DVD & screen.
Demographically, I'm pretty much Joe-average (in consumer terms), so I think Jobs has hit the mark when he thinks that iPod video is a non-issue.
Tim
Sure.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Really, downloading DVD quality movies is not something I ever see commercially happening until there are major infastructure upgrades in the internet. Pirates do it using lower quality rips, but if I am paying money for a movie then artifacts are just not an option. I am going to want DVD quality, if I don't get it I will just wait a month until the DVD goes on sale used at the local blockbuster.
Downloading a 2 GB DVD over a 1.5Mbit line, assuming *maximum* bandwidth (yeah right) is still going to take you over 3 hours [google.com]. Why would I pay money to download a DVD, when it is faster for me to just go down to the local store and buy it?
The only way this will ever work is if
Re:Sure.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Now *that* is a good idea (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Now *that* is a good idea (Score:3, Interesting)
It could just be my jaded marketing self rearing it's ugly head, but if downloading TV without advertisements did catch on, product placement would be raised to a new level.
I don't know about you, but I would really not look forward to downloading the "new" episodes of Futurama, where Slurm has been replaced with Pepsi, Bender espouses his new, carefree lifestyle thanks to herpes medication, and Leela makes pointed, frequent trips to refresh her Tampax.
Just my opinion.
Re:Sure.... (Score:5, Insightful)
MPEG2 sucks, MPEG4 can achieve the same quality with fewer artifacts in about 1/4th the bandwidth.
This is not true. MPEG4 can compress better yes. but if you have ever successfully ripped a 2 GB DVD to 1/4 it's size (500 MB) without a loss in video or sound quality, I will send you a nice shiny penny, since it is not currently possible.
You can achieve near-perfect video quality at 1 GB if you settle for stereo sound.... but if you want Dolby Digital and perfect video both, even with MPEG4 you are still looking at at least 1.3 GB or more. This is speaking from lots of experience with many MPEG4 codecs.
Well, doh... (Score:3)
1) Resized in resolution
2) Changed pixel shape
3) Transcoded from MPEG2 to MPEG4
Already the first two should tell you that you can never achieve the same quality again, even if you saved it as uncompressed AVI. Remember that a native MPEG4 format would take it directly from source.
You may not think it matters, but take a RAW picture with your favorite digicam. Save lossy once, and you'll see little difference from the original. Try editing both the raw and 1st gen jpg and save again
Re:Sure.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, perhaps not 500MB, but 650MB rips from a non-compressed source done with the right options look as good as typical MPEG2.
No, they don't. They are acceptable to watch, but nowhere near as good as the original source or as MPEG2. You point me at such a rip and I will point out the artifacts in seconds.
Not to mention such rips do not have a Dolby Digital track, with can be up to 200 MB all by itself.
Re:Sure.... (Score:2)
No, the average DivX is not DVD quality, not by a long shot. A DVD ripped to a single CD in DivX format, while decent enough to watch for sure, not only suffers from decreased video quality compared to the original DVD, but it is only stereo sound.
Unfortunately... (Score:3, Interesting)
In all seriousness though, I really like ITunes...even though it costs $0.99 per song, I can put if up with it because i'm guaranteed a near album quality version of the song each time i download...there were always quality issues with Kazaa or Naptster or Lime Wire...plus, the transfer is much faster then those ever were...
I look at it this way...i can download 20 songs for $20, and burn my own CD...sure, now the CD costs me approximately what it would in the store, but it's garaunteed to have 20 songs on it that i like...
Re:Unfortunately... (Score:3, Interesting)
It may not always be $0.99. There has been some discussion about raising the tracks to as high as $3.00 each!! Outrageous, isn't it, to think that a new album download could cost as much as 2x the in store price.
That was one of the reasons I cited [blindmindseye.com] when I posted a rebuttal on my site to an argument that was made at IPCentral's blog. I have noticed a curious tendency among the copyright expansionists: they don't want to get into pissing matches with other capitalists over their abuse of capitalism.
Bottom
Re:Unfortunately... (Score:3, Interesting)
ah yes, but with iTunes, anybody can be a "record company". when the artists start figuring out that they have a 100 Million-song distribution channel at their disposal, without having to give a penny to a "big" label... well I hope it happens soon.
News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matters (Score:4, Interesting)
Let's start simple: the iTunes Music Store is not a good value for customers. Apple says many users are buying whole "albums" for $8-$12 each. That's less than the $16 store price, but used CDs at Amazon or ebay cost $5, and those come with liner notes. If you don't care about liner notes, you can burn the CD from a friend for 25 cents and send the musician a buck. In both cases, you end up with a real CD, and you can always use iTunes to rip it onto your computer or mp3 player. And you don't have to deal with restrictions on how you use it.
Apple says iTunes is "better than free" because it's "fair to the artists and record labels." That's simply not true. First of all, Apple gets 3 times as much money as musicians from each sale. Apple takes a 35% cut from every song and every album sold, a huge amount considering how little they have to do. Record labels receive the other 65% of each sale. Of this, major label artists will end up with only 8 to 14 cents per song, depending on their contract. Many of them will never Artists Get Ripped Off. even see this paltry share because they have to pay for producers and recording costs, both of which can be enormous. Until the musician "recoups" these costs, when you buy an iTunes song, the label gives them nothing.
So why does iTunes give artists such a raw deal? Because it's the exact same deal that artists have always gotten from the big five record companies. Despite huge new efficiencies created by internet distribution --no CDs to make, no distributors to store and ship them, no CD stores to build and run-- artists receive the same pathetic cut. That is the disaster of iTunes. Instead of using this new medium to empower musicians and their fans, it helps the record industry cartel perpetuate the exploitation. Apple might say it's not their fault: after all, they didn't write the unfair record contracts. But when Apple supports and profits from an obviously unfair system, while telling customers that it's "fair to the artists", they are just as guilty. For years, Apple Computer has built a reputation for straightforward business. So if Apple honestly believes that the iTunes system is fair for artists, we challenge them to display the artist's cut next to each song and let their customers decide.
iTunes is just a shiny new facade for the ugly, exploitative system that has managed music for the past 50 years. Thanks to peer to peer filesharing, we finally have a chance to break the major record label system-- but every iTunes user who pays 90 cents on the dollar to middlemen props up the old regime and delays the day when corporations finally lose their stranglehold on music. Now that's something to feel guilty about.
Now, I don't claim to agree with all of these criticisms, but it does bug me how fawning and sycophantic many /. editors and posters are towards
Apple.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Insightful)
By definition, something that you've sold 100,000,000 of is not "too expensive". It might be too expensive for YOU (as indeed it's too expensive for me), it's obviously found a market and services that market satisfactorily.
Re: your other points, Apple couldn't very well change all the musicians' contracts with a wave of their hand. Now that they're players in the market, we'll see what happens.
Not my opinions, but I do agree on one point (Score:3, Interesting)
Personally I think the most valid criticism is that Apple describe iTunes as being fair to artists whereas in most cases the artist only makes a tiny fraction of each sale. Yes, this might be due to the artist signing a dumb contract with their label, but its Apple's choice to describe this as "fair".
Downhill Battle have a nice suggestion on that page I linked to, iTunes should clearly indicate the amount
Re:Not my opinions, but I do agree on one point (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Not my opinions, but I do agree on one point (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not my opinions, but I do agree on one point (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean you actually pay attention to the blurbs? Wow.
Apple used to be a synonym for "shitty" around here. Your UID is low enough, you should remember. They've changed peoples' opinions by consistently releasing superior products.
Don't like 'em? Don't buy 'em.
I guess anybody who likes Apple products and thinks that, by and large, they do a good job must be in the reality distortion field.
Re:Not my opinions, but I do agree on one point (Score:3, Insightful)
I remember... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I remember... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I remember... (Score:3)
Where their is problematic DRM like the Beastie Boys CD or the mismash of different DRM rules that is typical of WMA download sites, you'll still find plenty of criticism.
Apple don't get less critisism because they are a cool company. They get less criticism because they have implemented DRM in a reasonabl
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Informative)
Apple get's $.10 from each sale. That's 11% for you math wiz's.
Record labels get the bulk of the rest, but that's what they do anyway. It's the Record labels that rip off the artists. independant artists, get the same rate as labels , but take home larger percentage due to the fact they don't pay labels.
Also modern Computers can duplicate recording studios for independant artists. I know of several that use a G4 tower to record and clean up their music, burn the original CD, and then use a cd duplicator to make their own CD's. They then due all the shipping themselves. Distribution via iTunes saves them time, as they don't have to duplicate the music.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:2)
I've done the Ebay route and had to wait weeks for lazy sellers to send me a CD, which most of the time amounts to a promo version (they have the barcode punched out). The artists certianly didn't get a cut of that sale!
On price, iTunes is cheaper for instant gratification. Find me a local corporatized record store that will sell you the latest album releases for less than
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, you have your grievances, fair enough. Mine is quality. I want lossless, not some shitty lossy encoded MP3/AAC/OGG, etc.
It's the first time in music production history where the quality of what's on offer (as in, technical sound quality) has gone backwards. I'd pay up to double if I could get lossless files.
-- james
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Interesting)
I agree that the iTMS doesn't change the situation for artists, but given the resistance from the overall recording industry to the model that iTMS has been so successful with I still think it was a big step.
In terms of the used CD thing. Hey, nobody is forcing you to buy from iTMS. I still think it's a good deal once you factor in shipping costs (or local sales tax). Plus there's the instance gratification thing. Apparently others agree or they wouldn't have just sold their 100,000,000th song.
Anyway, Apple isn't the bad guy here. The RIAA and recording industry are! Apple's just trying to make a buck by selling iPods (after operating costs they really aren't making anything off of the songs).
Finally, I don't feel the least bit guilty about buying from iTMS anymore than I'd feel guilty buying a CD. In fact those buying CD's are doing more to prop up the "old regime" IMHO. Short of a full boycott of buying music, I don't see how any purchases under the current model wouldn't "prop up the old regime."
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Insightful)
For a musician to be successful to the RIAA, they need to sell albums as well as touring. Brand new ones. If everybody did this, yes, the artist could dump the label, somehow breaking the contract, and live on to make great music. But we don't live in an ideal world. If enough people don't agree to do this, the label dumps them for being unsuccessful and has pocket change.
The RIAA gets most of the money. Apple, according to a few people, make almost no money on this. Not even making a profit. They supposedly make less than a dime, which is a lot less than %35 if a song costs a buck.
Wrong, they worked with the labels. Mostly. The indie groups are different. Some proxy through a label like cdbaby. You know how difficult it'd be to contract every single artist they had on there... individually?
Have you/him thought about it the other way around? Apple just made music more popular during a decline of cd sales. Yes, the RIAA is getting helped, but the arists are getting helped too. Being an artist is tough work. If artists could sell themselves due to easier money rolling in, I'm sure they wouldn't need the RIAA, but because they get trapped in their deals, they need a good way out. Not a bunch of people making life harder when the artists haven't even asked for a rebelion of this kind.
When the artists come forth, ala They Might Be Giants, and sell directly, sure. I'd rip a used copy and send them most of the cost. It'll prolly save them more money not dealing with me in the first place.
And mr poster, yes. Sometimes slashdot doesn't post all of the facts, and sometimes it posts crappy stories. But what you just posted is just plain wrong.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:3, Insightful)
Um, no - I think a quick lesson in rhetoric is needed here. It is actually possible to quote someone's opinion without necessarily agreeing with it.
My point is that /.'s coverage of Apple is one-sided (both in the stories the editors select, and in the general trend of moderation). This doesn't imply that I necessarily advocate the other side, just that I would prefer a more balanced
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:2)
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:2)
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:2)
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Informative)
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:3, Insightful)
This is how brilliant Apple is. They've convinced you that they're losing money on iTMS.. thus you feel like you're getting a great deal.
The fact is, they're making money on iTMS.. not a lot of money, but none-the-less they're in the black.
Just to compare, look at www.apple.com/trailers
This site is free, and costs Apple much much more than iTMS costs to run.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Insightful)
"It's too expensive"
Well, I don't have a PhD in Economics, but I'm pretty sure that when you're selling your product in a non-monopoly situation, and your sales are huge, that's a good indicator that your prices are not too expensive. If it's too expensive for you, then Apple simply has to decide if they can live without you as a customer. I think they've made that decision, and it's worked out pretty well for them.
"First of all, Apple gets 3 times as much money as musicians from each sale. Apple takes a 35% cut from every song and every album sold, a huge amount considering how little they have to do. Record labels receive the other 65% of each sale."
In other news, gravity still pulls things down. There isn't another way to do it; this is how the world works right now. If Apple wants to sell the latest Britney Spears song, they can't just call Britney and say "Hey Brit, how does 20 cents per song sound? Does that work for you?" She doesn't have the power to sell them her songs; she gave that right away when she signed her record contract. If you think that's evil, then your beef is with the record companies, not Apple. Apple buys from the labels because they're the ones holding the songs. If they could pay artists 40 cents per song instead of paying the labels 65, they'd do so in a heartbeat. As for the "35 cents is a ripoff", ITMS is not a large profit source for Apple: that 35 cents barely exceeds their costs (servers, bandwidth, processing media, design, management overhead, etc...). They've said that the major thrust of ITMS is to sell iPods, not to generate vast profits from song sales.
"But when Apple supports and profits from an obviously unfair system, while telling customers that it's 'fair to the artists', they are just as guilty."
Bullshit. And you're going to tell me that by using your computer to access the Internet and post on slashdot, you're supporting the agenda of the sweatshop owners who built your PC components, all of the communications companies who own circuits between you and the servers you visit, and the admins who run slashdot? Sorry, but I don't accept that philosophy. It's a big, complicated world, and everyone has to live in it. Apple looked at the world as it was, saw a way to make it a little bit better, and seems to have done a good job. You presume to blame them for the sorry state that existed before they got there, saying that they should have fixed everything or done nothing. Let me know how that works out for you.
And we do hear these complaints on slashdot, all the time. This isn't a haven for Apple fanboys, it's a haven for Linux fanboys. These complaints are neither original, nor well reasoned.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:4, Insightful)
Too expensive? In America? Uh, right. Here where I live, CD's have the normal price of about 20 euros, which is about 24 US dollars. Discount price is about 16 euros (20 dollars). Considering the average income rate in the US compared to the ones in Europe, I really don't see any reason for you to complain.
To be honest, I think the prices iTunes Music Store has are the most fair for everyone. You can't expect to get everything for free in your life.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:4, Insightful)
Right. So do tell me what is the best 'value for money' solution that allows you to from your armchair instantly download songs from a range of bands and burn your own custom CD. Or put it seamelessly on a superb digital device [apple.com].
That's less than the $16 store price, but used CDs at Amazon or ebay cost $5
You complain about artists not getting any money then advocate buying used CDs. WTF? Buying a used CD means the artist gets no extra money. At least with iTMS they are getting something.
And you don't have to deal with restrictions on how you use it.
Sorry what was that
Apple takes a 35% cut from every song and every album sold, a huge amount considering how little they have to do.
Clearly your not a developer as I am sure most people would appreciate there is some cost in delivering a high quality, high availability, high traffic web infrastructure. Costs that come to mind include salaries, importing of CDs/cover art, creation of 30-second previews, big iron servers, networking. Oh and the odd 400 TB of traffic (100 mil songs x approx 4 MB each)
Until the musician "recoups" these costs, when you buy an iTunes song, the label gives them nothing.
And this is Apple's fault why ? It is the fault of the musician if they signed a contract with a music label and didn't like the terms. That was their choice.
In Australia right now we have a great band, John Butler Trio who has the number one CD released under their own, independant label. They get to keep the full 65%. Remember being with a label doesn't guarentee success and vice versa.
Because it's the exact same deal that artists have always gotten from the big five record companies.
Why would you think it would be otherwise ? Oh wait you thought just because its Apple, the labels would offer new contracts with bigger cuts to all of their artists. What world are you living in ?
But when Apple supports and profits from an obviously unfair system, while telling customers that it's "fair to the artists", they are just as guilty.
Of course its "fair"
Thanks to peer to peer filesharing, we finally have a chance to break the major record label system
On one hand you talk about the rights of the artists on the other you talk up pirating songs. Which side of the fence ARE you on ? Or at the end of the day do all you really care about is justifying your pirating ways. Now that's something to feel guilty about.
In the end, there's 100 million reasons why you are full of shit and blaming Apple for what is so clearly an issue between the label and the artist is just being disingenious.
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:3)
Apple has been better than most other online stores to include independent labels. Merge, Sub-pop, Matador, Kill Rock Stars, and Thrill Joc
Re:News about how great Apple is, Stuff that Matte (Score:5, Interesting)
Its too expensive? $1 is the perfect price to demo an album and actually get a little sample of the full album. I generally buy one song from the iTMS and then if I like it I buy the full album. I use to download the songs from a P2P and then do the same thing or discard the tune, but I never really liked it. It felt too much stealing a car to see if I liked it or not (fuck off any asshole that references piracy is not theft). Sure, if I liked the car, I'd take it back in the morning and write out a check...if I didn't, well thats the dealers problem and I'll leave it on the side of the road. Oh yeah, fuck off anyone that points out minor flaws in analogies.
Past that, I buy the full album, used or not. If I can find it used, thats what I pick up.
As for artists getting ripped off?
Bull fucking shit. Do you believe everything crackheads like Courtney Love tell you? She is so fucked up that she never read her contracts, spent all the money and then wrote a bunch of articles claiming the industry was ripping her off.
I work in the backline for several major artists as well as quite a few up and coming artists. I get paid for my work. A lot of times, the new guys pay me to come in (well, through their lable) and I'll sit around for 8 hours while they try to write their album in the studio. Thats cool when you are fronting the costs, but when you are on someone elses dime, thats STILL going to come out of your pocket somewhere. Those 8 hours I'm doing nothing is still billable hours. If you showed up to work and your boss didn't have anything to do for you, you'd still get paid...
I'm never amazed by the number of guys that don't have a clue about getting in and getting done. My partner and I have worked development deals in the past where upcoming artists are set here for a few weeks to kinda get a feel of how things are done. The partner is kinda a grey hair in the industry and takes them under his wings and explains how things should be done and all that. Gets them ready to go back to the coast and have shit ready.
Still, these guys don't get the clue that this is costing them money and fuck around and then expect us to do all their work and we won't. I've got friends at the Matrix that can do that for them if they'd like, but quite honestly, they ain't good enough and don't have enough money to pay those guys (girls).
The label takes a risk and says for the next 7 years (or until you release the prerequired albums), if you wish to be a major lable musician (always sign your contracts in LA because it will limit the time of your servitude -- and ALWAYS go for a *SINGLE* album deal with opportunity of buyout or renegotiation). For the time of your contract, you know that the money the lable has given you will come out of your pocket. Make the best out of it. Don't be a dumbass. Don't hire limos to take you to and from the studio. Don't waste it on engineers and techs like me while you are wasting our time. We don't do this as a job, but because we like the art...if you aren't producing art, you *ARE* wasting my time. I don't care if its bad art or otherwise, be prepared.
Have a decent lawyer, and don't sign with the first industry lawyer that presents you with a contract. You have the option of bringing your own in from the street. My intellectual property lawyer that I use for patents in my technical life was FAR more informed about the contracts and otherwise than the one they provided me. He charged less, and was on my side. Never trust someone elses lawyer to help you out.
Even if you do, if you follow the contract to its letter, you can make a decent amount of change. The guys I'm working with now aren't living like superstars, but they have been pocketting more that I do at my technical job -- and I can guarentee you haven't heard of them yet.
So, when artists pick up 10% of the gross, th
Hi, you're on Slashdot. (Score:2, Funny)
The story is just in and now allready i'm getting just 1KB/s from that site. Looks like they can't handle the load at the moment. Suprising, because, AFAIK, Akamai is hosting Apple.com.
Survey question (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Survey question (Score:5, Funny)
Sue Apple.
Approximate time and rate. (Score:5, Informative)
The number of songs sold at the first time was 99992422.
The number of songs sold at the second time was 100014607.
Apple sold a total of 22185 songs in that five minute 24 second period. For those wondering that's roughly 68.5 songs per second.
Congrats to whoever it was.
All for 99 cents (Score:5, Funny)
All that for just 99 cents? I wish they would bring iTunes to Canada!! Even with the exchange rate, that's a deal!
"congrats to Apple for a job well done" (Score:5, Funny)
"congrats to Jobs for an Apple well done"?
No Purchase Necessary (Score:4, Funny)
Success of the iTunes music store (Score:3, Insightful)
Where does that $0.99 go? (Score:5, Interesting)
In fact, you yourself can have a free copy of that 100,000,000th song here [waxploitation.com].
So if Apple is selling free music, do they get to pocket that money, with no music labels to pay off? Or was the song free to download, in which case why didn't anyone just sit there downloading free tracks all day trying to hit that 100,000,000th download?
Re:Where does that $0.99 go? (Score:5, Insightful)
Wouldn't a remix be considered a derivative work of a copyrighted piece of art, and thus be copyrighted itself (quite probably with royalty payments or at least permission from the original author, with the exception of true parody).
Even if the original work was in the public domain, a derivative work based off of it (like a Disney movie from an old storytale) is still copyrighted.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Just because an artist wants something to be freely available doesn't make it part of the public domain, it just means he or she hasn't "reserved all rights".
Re:Where does that $0.99 go? (Score:3, Informative)
The only way to enter for free was to use the "Recommend to a Friend" and send to itunes100@apple.com.
I (heart) Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
2. If You'll look at the prize - it's no biggie in terms of money (it's not even a car). It's all worth less than 15K, yet it's something that most people lust for - the coolest laptop, 10,000 songs, and the best MP3 player...
Now that's what I call a cool company.
As an independent artist (Score:5, Interesting)
On the other hand, when I try to describe DRM to people, they kind of blank out and say "uh...ok", and move on.
DRM hurts small artists because it confuses people. Small artists desperately need the impulse buying that online distribution allows, and confusion or second thoughts destroy this impulse buying.
So....
Apple: Thank you!
But:
Apple:
* Make the DRM optional...I don't care about it and it hurts sales.
* Let me pick a price. I'd love to lower my lesser-sold songs to say, 60 cents to try to get them out there.
* Improve the 'community' aspect so more people have exposure to different music
* 128 bits? Yeah that's why I spent my kids college money on production.
Fix this stuff,t hen we'll really love you....Heck we might even have some loyalty when those sub $100, 40 gig competitor devices come out.
Re:As an independent artist (Score:4, Interesting)
I definitely agree with your #1 point. If any artist wishes their music to be made available without restrictions place on it, Apple should honor that.
I think your #2 point is a bad idea. It increases confussion. I believe part of the reason that Apple's store is succeeding where the others are failing is because of the standardized pricing for each song.
And your #4 point is nice as well. I think Apple should allow artists to sell their music in a lossless format if the artist wants to. If this will cost Apple more money then the price could be higher to offset it -- but I doubt it would be a factor.
Losless Audio (Score:4, Interesting)
That said, that fact that iTunes and the iPod now support lossless does indicate the potential intent on Apples part to offer music in that format. They'd just need to figure out a way around that whole user confusion thing.
Re:Losless Audio (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh, and Apple added ALE to iTunes for the AirPort Express. So, I wouldn't read much else into it.
The contest is NOT over... (Score:5, Insightful)
The music industry is paranoid about services such as Apple's. If iTunes became dominate, Apple could sign artists directly. Those artists would make more money, Apple would make more money, and the music industry would be gone.
The music industry will ensure that will never happen. They will play the various internet music services against each other. Once Apple gets too big, they'll force price hikes on it.
The only service that could possibly stand up to the music industry is Wal-Mart. As I've written here before, because the music industry NEEDS Wal-Mart to sell its CDs, Wal-Mart currently holds the cards. I don't think the music industry has the guts to stand up to Wal-Mart.
Re:The contest is NOT over... (Score:4, Informative)
Kinda strengthens your point, since a member of the music industry (Apple Records) can make sure that Apple Computers is severely limited with what it can do regarding music.
Re:The contest is NOT over... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The contest is NOT over... (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm assuming you don't live in the US. In the US Wal-Mart dominates the retail consumer market. It has stores in nearly ever city, town, etc. It uses its huge marketshare to force lower prices from manufacturers. It then uses those lower prices to drive out all competition.
Almost needless to say, Apple will never obtain Wal-Mart's power in the marketplace.
How many of these purchases were virtual? (Score:3)
Heh (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let's get it over with... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe someday you'll have a job and responsibilities and realize that time and convenience are worth something.
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:3, Informative)
1:download
2:burn
3:rip
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:5, Insightful)
$1 a song w/ DRM is too much? Perhaps, but for years it's cost $.25 (or more) just to play a song just once from a jukebox; now, for the cost of just three or four jukebox plays, one can have a permanent copy of the song, to play as often as one likes, on one's own gear, wherever one wants, that can be copied to other media, etc. If anything, I'd say the price arguably went down, at least compared to what we've been getting from jukeboxes for decades and what we've been paying for it.
Don't get me wrong; I do think it'd be fantastic if the music could be even cheaper, and if it were unencumbered by DRM (that's why I dig eMusic at least as much as the iTMS), but realistically, there's just no way in hell we'll ever get everything from the major label catalogs released for legal downloads anytime soon without some form of DRM.
Re:Agreed... (Score:5, Interesting)
I would personally rather that a music store with minimal DRM become popular, rather than have a "1 copy, rent your music" model become prevalent.
Re:Agreed... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Agreed... (Score:4, Interesting)
Which is why I like Slashdot. It's a good mix of well thought out critical posts and repetetive bandwagon posts. There are some great minds in here. Also, many optimistic idiots.
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:4, Insightful)
I think its therefore fair that I now just download one BMG CD for every 2 I buy.
Your "Buy at a low price or dont buy at all" amounts to lying down and doing nothing while the music companies raid your bank account.
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:3, Insightful)
The music store is good for 2 things. Buying a couple of songs off the album because the rest of the album sucks, and listening to blurbs of the entire album to see if it sucks. Would you rather spend $13 (or $10, o
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:3, Interesting)
You guys do know that the albums are available for 10 bucks no matter how many songs there are, usually? I never get single songs, because yeah, it is a ripoff. But ten dollar albums? Score!
P.S. Please tell me where I can buy new albums for under ten dollars. I looked online at that ASDA store, but last I heard, you needed more dollars to equal a pound. Is Apple overcharging in Britain?
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:5, Interesting)
Following your analogy: if I don't buy at all, the record label gets... nothing. If I steal, the record label gets... nothing! So what's the difference?
Your argument is flawed because copyright violation is not analogous to stealing physical property. You're assuming a zero-sum game, but when information can easily be replicated, that no longer holds true. Record labels inflate album prices by attempting to enforce artificial scarcity. This doesn't work. The whole multi-billion dollar entertainment industry is built an a foundation made of thin air.
Re:That's great Apple... (Score:3, Insightful)
Except the store doesn't lose a TV, yadda yadda yadda.
I propose an end to all analogies to the real world when discussing the sharing of files. Nobody's gotten it right, and now it's just plain nauseating.
I have a little time, Let's bite... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:A job well done indeed! (Score:3, Insightful)
The world isn't so black and white. Have you thought about the RIAA, who has a large say in what apple can and can't do with what RIAA says, is their property?
Throats. :)
Re:A job well done indeed! (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
What are you talking about? (Score:3, Interesting)
Napster is far more restrictive in terms of use (and not consistnat either with some songs having different restrictions), and what does it matter if I can use it with ten sanctioned devices if they all suck? It's like saying I can have a free breakfast and giving me ten flavors of cement to choose from.
You'll also find out just how "free" Napster is when they go ba
Re:Apple's success is an awful thing for consumers (Score:4, Funny)
To be perfectly clear, you are stating that Apple is a monopoly because they are the sole vendor of the hardware, software, and music, right?
Is Ford a monopoly of Tauruses? Yes. Does that make Ford a monopoly? No. There are competitors to iTunes. Music Match and Windows Media Player. There are competitors to iTunes. Walmart, Napster, and Rhapsody. There are competitors to the iPod. Dell Jukebox, iRivers, MuVos, and Nomads. There are even competitors to the Mac. HPs, IBMs, Dells, and Gateways.
You want an explanation for how Apple escapes the critcism Microsoft gets for proprietary and monopoly?
Apple hasn't utilized their sucess in the music field to dictate legal and contract issues with venders, oems, consumers, and suppliers. See Compaq, Netscape, Sun, etc.
Apple hasn't relied on monopoly status to carry them through. Otherwise known as resting on your laurels. Microsoft's biggest competition is older versions of OSes and Office suites. Apple has to contend with Windows and Linux and everything else. Ask everyone who's had a buggy, leaky, exploited OS and browser.
As for proprietary... How exactly do you mean that AAC is proprietary? Just because you can't figure out how to download a third party player that plays DRM AACs? There are at least two I know of
Are you upset because you've bought into the Microsoft scheme and lost big (spyware, viruses, trojans, exploits, and flaky reliability)? Or because you are confused because Apple goods cost more, look better, and are otherwise unattainable in your world?