Panther Problem Roundup 149
An anonymous reader writes "SecureMac has posted an advisory on Mac OS X 10.3 Panther's screen lock. Apparently, to a limited degree, keys being pressed before the authentication window pops-up are sent to the currently logged-in user's environment. Note: Security Update 2003-10-28 version 1.0, which was released shortly after the advisory's release, does not fix this issue, but rather a hole in QuickTime for Java." Another anonymous reader writes "A problem with Panther has been found with external FireWire drives, that causes FireWire disk partitions in Panther above 137GB to be shown as corrupt after a reboot, in most cases being entirely unaccessible and unusable." And as a public service to all you mail rebels, I found out -- for me, anyway -- how to send email under Eudora without crashing.
Other Resources (Score:5, Informative)
Roll on X.3.1 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Roll on X.3.1 (Score:1, Informative)
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5098688.html?tag
No more updates. Sorry bub, $129 annual fee, please.
uControl doesn't work (Score:3, Interesting)
The biggest problem for me is that uControl [gnufoo.org] apparently doesn't work, so I won't be able to swap control and caps-lock if I upgrade. Since my hands are hard-wired to find the control key to the left of the 'a' key, this is a showstopper for me.
Does anybody know of any other way to swap control and capslock on an Apple Powerbook (ti, 866MHz)? Xmodmap apparently doesn't work either. This copy of panther is burning a hole in my pocket..
Re:uControl doesn't work (Score:4, Informative)
D'oh. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:D'oh. (Score:2, Informative)
It's a showstopper for me as well, but all the other problems arising are also now a showstopper. I think I'm waiting for 10.3.1.
Re:uControl doesn't work (Score:2, Informative)
Re:uControl doesn't work (Score:1)
Stupid jobs for messing this up.
Re:uControl doesn't work (Score:1)
I know I'm in the minority, but I map lots of stuff to my function keys in Emacs -- and I try to have the same function key map whether I'm using Linux, Windows, or OS X. Now that's no longer possible. I'd give up Expose to get my function
IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:3, Informative)
No major changes other than the OS upgrade have been preformed.
Anyone else notice their battery life drop?
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:2, Informative)
Strange.
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:5, Informative)
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:2)
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Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:2)
Thanks!
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:2)
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Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:4, Informative)
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:1)
To reset your PMU, refer to either your manual or the Apple Knowledge Base (kbase.info.apple.com) and search for "PMU reset" and perhaps the model of your computer.
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:1)
Re:IBook + System Load + Battery Life (Score:2)
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artn
Filevault wasn't quite cooked yet (Score:2, Interesting)
So I run a clean install, just to make sure there isn't any issues with backwards compatability. Get everything set up just right. Throw the switch on filevault. It takes a while to encrypt, and then seems to work just fine. I then toss a bunch of old MP3's, over 2 gigs. When I log out the next time, filevault asks me if I want to let it "reclaim space" or some such nonsense. Like a trusting fool, I say yes. Upon the next login, everything looks mysteriously like a brand new finder. Al
Re:Filevault wasn't quite cooked yet (Score:2)
Re:Filevault wasn't quite cooked yet (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Filevault wasn't quite cooked yet (Score:1)
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Re:Wow am I glad I didnt update yet (Score:5, Insightful)
Therefore a lot of the postings here are likely to regard problematic experiences with Panther for whatever reason, and so of course Panther is going to look bad.
Its like those people that visit the Apple support discussions forum and are like "Oh no, everybody is complaining about problems, I'm never going to upgrade now!!!", where the only reason those forums are there is for people with problems so what do you expect to see...
The real number of peopleaffected by problems with Panther are probably miniscule, but that's not what the discussion groups and articles like this make it seem like, and unwary readers may be caught up in thinking that everyone will have these problems.
-Nex
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Re:Wow am I glad I didnt update yet (Score:2, Informative)
BUT, I just noticed one of my iPod cables is fraying! (The cable with the "wired remote" is fraying just above the plaug that goes into the iPod.) WTF!!!
As far as utilities and programs not working---well, (1) that's not much of a surprise, there, now is it? and (2) there are many, many, many, many more of them now than there were when 10.1 morphed into Jaguar. So I'd suspect that the vast majority of things that don't work are n
Re:Wow am I glad I didnt update yet (Score:2)
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Re:iPod cable fraying (Score:1)
Re:Wow am I glad I didnt update yet (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Wow am I glad I didnt update yet (Score:2, Funny)
Which is not to say there aren't real problems.
Re:Wow am I glad I didnt update yet (Score:2)
Other than that, Panther's purring like a kitten...
Screen goes black after install (Score:4, Informative)
The work are some work arounds but they all have draw backs. one fix is to remove all but 256 megs of ram from your computer.. things will return to normal then, but you'll be stuck with 256 megs of ram.. or you for some, you can copy over the old drivers from a previous version of os x, unfortunately you lose QE support then. or, the wisest, stick with 10.2 for the time being.. it remains to be seen if apple will take care of this problem.. i hope they do.
i tried doing the 256 megs of ram thing for a couple days, but it was just too slow, so this morning i went back to 10.2
Some proposed new slogans (Score:1, Funny)
or
Apple: It just works... Unless you want to use your 137+ GB firewire drive and plan to reboot at some point in time.
137GB is a common problem (Score:5, Informative)
I've learned more than I ever wanted to know about the "137GB barrier" after buying a driver larger than that and discovering the hard way that neither Linux 2.4.22, nor Win2K, nor my BIOS, were prepared to see anything larger than that number. It's definitely not a Mac-only problem.
Basically, the standard LBA addressing mode uses 28 bits to hold an address/offset, which means you can only see 137 gigs. There are 48-bit LBA devices out there, nearly all of them PCI controller card, but support for those is either spotty or widespread, depending on which shill you talk to. I eventually got mine working under both OSes.
Usually, however, lack of support means that the device shows up as only being 137GB, not that the partitions are corrupted. Ick.
48 bits (Score:2)
But, seriously, if a drive was formatted at over 137GB, and then mounted with a system that can't read that much, then, at best, there will be data that can't be accessed. At worst, the computer will try to write to that area and roll over the address and overright the start of the drive (I did this with a 3 gig drive and a 2 gig limit).
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:1)
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Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:1, Troll)
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:3, Interesting)
maybe i'm just lucky.
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:4, Informative)
Some people had the problem with 80 GB firewire drives. At the present it is not known what is causing the problem with some firewire drives. No distinct pattern as emerged as far as drive size, manifacturer, firewire chipset, etc. goes. It seems Apple is investigating the issue as some people who were affected by the problem were contacted by Apple.
For more information on this issue, check MacFixIt:
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?st
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:3, Informative)
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@@.599b4 a 59/84 [apple.com]
There's a good thread over here [macnn.com] with a lot of angry people in it
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:2)
BTW 137GB refers to ~137 x 10^12 bytes. The drive shows up in Disk Utility as 128GB.
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:2)
Re:137GB is a common problem (Score:2)
There also seems to be more than one problem. One affects the "big" drives, and another is affecting all sizes of drives.
Mail.app and self-signed certs (Score:2)
The "official" procedure from Apple in their help file is to click Show Certification button in the warning, then option-drag the icon to the desktop and install from there. But on three different machines I've tr
Re:Mail.app and self-signed certs (Score:1)
1. Turn SSL off in prefs (unfortunately, at this point your password, and a bunch of Mail traffic, goes out in cleartext, so this procedure is kind of not so good
*** Maybe quit Mail in here and start again? I forget
2. Turn it back on
3. Open Activity window. My copy of Mail was going bananas trying open, close, open, close, and open various connections. Cancel everything.
4. "Get new mail". Now you can click in the box without hanging.
I
Re:Mail.app and self-signed certs (Score:3, Informative)
But as you mentioned, the hard part is option dragging the certificate to your Desktop, because Mail tends to lock up. One way to get the certificate f
Re:Mail.app and self-signed certs (Score:2, Informative)
Other mail.app problem (Score:2)
95% of my problems went away with... (Score:5, Informative)
A few tips there too ;-)
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Keeper of the "Unofficial" iMovie FAQ [danslagle.com] [apple.com]
Tell Apple how you feel about iMovie
Japanese Input + Safari Cursor (Score:2, Informative)
Also, Safari seems to have issues sometimes when it runs into animation-heavy sites. The cursor stops updating its icon (like when you move it over a link, it doesn't change), and Safari itself has troubles going to the links you try to click on.
One more thing (although this is just a pet peeve): when you navigate to any of the "speci
Re:Japanese Input + Safari Cursor (Score:1)
It makes it difficult to find easter eggs in homestarrunner [homestarrunner.com] animations without resorting to the tab key.
Another Mail.app bug (Score:1)
Next uncool feature is the inbox collection in
Re:Another Mail.app bug (Score:2)
Sorry, I can't help with anything else.
Re:Another Mail.app bug (Score:1)
Firewire woes (Score:1)
Reminds me of a problem with Final Cut Pro and Mac OS X 10.1. Random Pyro Firewire drives would have their partition tables overwritten. But then they weren't just shown as corrupt, they were corrupted.
Java Doesn't Work (Score:1)
Re:Java Doesn't Work (Score:1)
My one remaining post-install question is what is the @-on-a-spring icon that appears next to the trash in the Panther documentation (and on the box) am I missing something?
Re:Java Doesn't Work (Score:2)
[aragorn:~] geoffrey% java -version java version "1.4.1_01" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.1_01-99) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.1_01-27, mixed mode)
Now, I did an upgrade (oooo...scary), not a clean install. Perhaps that has something to do with it?
Re:Java Doesn't Work (Score:1)
It's the QT for Java Update that causes this (Score:4, Informative)
This is being called the "69 error", as the reported version is 1.4.1_69 rather than 1.4.1_99. The unintentional proximity of releasing this QT Java update and Panther's release, and the inability to change Panther's install scripts after being burned to CD is the cause of this problem.
I can't verify that the security update fixes this problem, but my hunch is that it does. I fixed my machine before the security update was released, and I suspect that those who claim not to have the problem are already patched with the security update, or didn't install the QT Java update prior to installing Panther. The fact that many java programs still utilize Java 1.3, which was unaffected by this problem, probably masked the symptoms from many users, leading them to believe that they were unaffected also.
-- Len
Sleep issues (Score:2)
I haven't heard anybody else report this problem, and I haven't had any problems with my 500mhz TiBook (cleanly formatted and installed Panther
Re:Sleep issues (Score:2)
Firewire drives? (Score:4, Interesting)
I've been using a 160GB drive over Firewire since Jaguar. I did an "archive and install" of panther, and the same drive still works great.
I did, however, turn the drive off while I was installing the OS. I wonder if that has anything to do with it? Or perhaps its a particular Firewire chip/controller causing the problem?
me to: 180gb external firewire just fine here (Score:2)
Its not as clear cut as it being an ATA VI problem, anyway.
Font Book issues (Score:3, Informative)
Lost funtionality (file searching over a LAN) (Score:2, Interesting)
however, in 10.3 network browsing has moved to the finder, which is very handy to just click on the network icon and all shared computers show up.. the problem begins there.. once you connect to these devices there is no way to do a network search. you can add i
Re:Lost funtionality (file searching over a LAN) (Score:1)
TCP Timestamp? (Score:1)
initialized with a constant number. This could allow a person to
discover how long the system has been up based upon the ID in TCP
packets.
Why is revealing the uptime of a system considered to be a security vulnerability?
Re:TCP Timestamp? (Score:5, Informative)
1. Server or desktop/workstation. Desktop systems are rebooted quite regularly. Servers tend to stay up for weeks to months.
2. From the uptime you may make some inferences about the OS on the machine. A machine with a year of uptime is likely a SUN, HP, IBM, etc "big iron" machine. Basially you know it's not windows so you can skip all those attacks.
3. If a machine isn't rebooted often, there probably isn't a monitor attached to it so no-one is looking directly at it very often. Sure there may be load monitors and such, but unless you do something harsh the extra CPU load won't get noticed. Whereas a desktop system intrusion may be noticed by the user via slow downs or "hiccups" in GUI response.
4. If an OS constantly uses the same timestamp for TCP packets, that's a dead giveaway as to the system/OS that's running.
Much of this comes down to "security by obscurity", which while not a viable mechinism in it's own right, is quite valuable when combined with other techniques. You want your TCP stack to give away as little information to a potential attacker as possible. The less they know, the more they have to search and the more likely you will find them before they get in the system.
Firewire corruption issue specific to FW800 (Score:2, Informative)
Plugging the same FW800 drive directly into a FW800 port on the machine skirts the problem (though the damaged filesystem is still lost forever).
Plugging FW400 into a FW400 port has no problems.
In sum, this is specific to FW800 enclosures plugging into FW400 ports under Panther.
cr
Try TWO to get around the Jobs RDF (Score:2)
Why are they still allowed to be free?
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WINS Still Broken (Score:2)
The other big problem I have had stemmed from being short of space after doing an upgrade install. Using the new Disk Utility, I backed up my whole home directo
@Stake's kernel buffer overflow (Score:1)
xnu/bsd/kern/kern_exec.c:
do {
error = copyoutstr(cp, (caddr_t)ucp,
(unsigned)cc, &len);
ucp += len;
cp += len;
nc += len;
cc -= len;
} while (error == ENAMETOOLONG);
This code will cause the kernel go into an infinite loop if the command line is not too long but the command line plus the environment is too long. It's a cut-and-paste error, clearly (elsewhere in the code is a copyin l
the external firwire problem (Score:2)
The only annoying bug I've noticed is that network locations are not saving wireless HEX keys. It's a pain to type the 20 some characters over.
Re:the external firwire problem (Score:1)
Re:the external firwire problem (Score:2)
Anyway, heaven help us all, boot into 9 and run Norton from a CD. (Don't install it....) It should be able to find the partitions by telling it to find missing volumes. Then do a repair, and everything should be intact, assuming that only the partition table was blown. If you don't have Norton, find someone who does, and hook the drive up to their machine.
If that fixes the damage, PLEASE post here and tell everyone. If only the part
All I hear is whining... (Score:5, Informative)
1. Those who are peeved that their super-specific, GUI or API-hacking freeware no longer works.
2. Those who crammed their heads up their asses and used the "archive and install" or upgrade methods to put Panther on.
3. Those elite few who have found a legitimate bug in panther.
My answers are...
1. "Umm, duh?" If the API I is no longer there, of course your freeware hack won't work. Its not apple's fault, so why blame them? We've gone through this on every major upgrade since system 6. If apple had to keep every API in each upgrade, macOSX would be as unstable as windows. Wait a week until your freeware developer updates the application to utilize the new API and then upgrade to panther. What's the problem?
2. Apple's use of point release numbers (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) is quite misleading. All three really change a lot under the hood and as such upgrading is a really messy process. If you expect and demand a stable OS, then manually backup your data and do a clean install. This should be common practice. Sure, its convenient to upgrade, but if you are browsing slashdot, you should have enough computer savvy to do a proper clean install.
3. Thank you for finding an error. I assume you've posted a bug report to apple? For the benefit of the rest of us, if you could post your system configuration, hardware, etc that'd be really useful for troubleshooting the problem. As always, the next point-point release (10.3.1) will solve a lot of the problems that people report.
Shouting "apple blows b/c feature XYZ doesn't work!!" is not very helpful. You have to also include your hardware info, whether you upgraded or clean installed panther, and what third-party apps you have installed. Let's be productive people, not a bunch of whiners.
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:2)
I'd still suggest you to try it before passing this judgement. All my
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:2)
In most cases their files reside in ~/Library/Application Support/[Application Name] and - of course - in ~/Library/Preferences. They are easy to locate by means of simple command/F. So if you clone your home and
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:2)
Fun fact: the version of Panther that is shipped with the Mac OS X-Up To Date program [apple.com] does not permit a clean install - only update and archive and install are possible. Thanks, Apple...
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:2)
Are you sure about that?
Archive and Install does the same thing as an old Clean Install, with the bonus of moving your home folder + network settings for you to the new system. Old system will be in a folder called 'previous system', I believe. It has a new name but it is essentially the same thing.
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:2)
If you accidently formatted before trying to install panther, you'll have to reinstall 10.0/.1/.2 and then try again. I did this initially, but was able to do a very basic install of jaguar in 10 minutes.
Re:All I hear is whining... (Score:2)
Archive and Install doesn't suck (Score:5, Interesting)
Personally I do not consider it 'advanced' to have to wipe my drive once a year, but to each his own.
Sendmail won't compile (Score:2)
For whatever reason, Sendmail won't compile in 10.3/XCode, and it gives repeated warning messages about varargs.h being deprecated and please use stdargs.h instead. My solution was simple: compile it under 10.2.
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for Fink to be prope
Re:Sendmail won't compile (Score:2)
Oh man, Postfix config is driving me nuts. I'm trying to stick with it, because it has a better reputation than Sendmail these days, but so far I'm unimpressed with anything other than the nice, simple config file. However, the behavior is baffling:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, netinfo:/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, netinfo:/aliases
newaliases_path =
Re:Lost Windows Share browser (Score:3, Informative)
Are you authenticating against Active Directory or something?
Re:I am NOT upgrading to Panther! (Score:2)
Re:You goob!! (Score:1)
Re:You goob!! (Score:2)
Re:id10t reamed us (Score:1, Funny)