Music Software for Mac OS X? 98
tengwar writes "I'm an organist, and I sometimes have to prepare sheet music. I'd also like to do a bit of composition. I'm looking for music software for the Mac centered around standard notation. Playback would be nice, but it's not as important as a user interface that doesn't get in the way of plonking down notes on a stave fast enough for me to remember what I was trying to do. If possible I'd like something that will allow me to add the words for voice parts for hymns. Any advice?"
Finale! (Score:5, Informative)
www.finalemusic.com
I live and die by it. Albeit on a PC but I they offer a Mac version.
~foooo
All listed products in thread (as of my post) (Score:5, Informative)
Harmony Assistant [myriad-online.com]
Lime Music Notation [cerlsoundgroup.org]
This is for the lazy, if you want to read on by all means do so (I may have missed a few). This was a great question because I was looking for the same answer!!! Thanks Ask Slashdot!
Re:Finale! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Finale! (Score:3, Interesting)
Igor engraver.... (Score:3, Informative)
See more at this link [noteheads.com]
Re:Igor engraver.... (Score:2, Interesting)
I was also amused/appalled that in more than one place, you can click a button/command, and get a dialogue saying that "this feature has not yet been implemented." Mind telling me what the interfac
Re:Finale! (Score:1)
Why have limited editing in page view?
Why do I have to "enter" a bar (measure) before editing?
Why do I have to manually "update layout" to make the bars reflow?
Why does it have leave pixel artifacts everywhere until I manually force a redraw?
How many dialogs deep is it possible to take the user (clue: more than 3)?
Sibelius (www.sibelius.com) lets you concentrate on the music, taking care of the
Re:Finale! (Score:2, Informative)
Correction: It's a Mac program which also offers a PC version.
It stands proudly with Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Microsoft Word as programs which came out on the Mac first!
Now, the bad news: No OS X version yet. Also, it's bloated and archaic.
Once upon a time, Finale was the sizznit of music notation software. Now, I can't even recommend it over some of the better apps out there.
Re:Finale! (Score:2, Interesting)
Finale is great. Sibelius is great. Their price point, however, leaves much to be desired. Finale does have watered-down versions of their software. Allegro has most of the features of Finale, but is still pricey at ~$200. Finale also offers NotePad as a free download from their website [finalemusic.com], but as I have personally found out, it is very crippled, not intuitive, and generally uncustomizable.
I would recommend over all these other apps Finale's PrintMusic. PrintMusic offers many of the features of Finale a
Will lilypond work? (Score:2, Informative)
Has anyone gotten it to work right? (Score:1)
Dan Aris
Re:Will lilypond work? (Score:2)
finale (Score:1)
Re:finale (Score:1)
Finale by Coda (Score:3, Informative)
Finale (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Finale (Score:5, Informative)
Finale is a very nice package of software which I cannot live without, but it doesn;t sound like this guy needs that much, and I think I can save him $400. Allegro [finalemusic.com] is just as good, made by the same folks, without some of the advanced functionality (unlimited staves, customized staves, etc.). It also is not supported under OSX, ya' gotta use classic mode.
Re:Finale (Score:2)
They've been saying this ever since OS X first came out. Yes, I know, it really will be released soon this time, but I'm sick and tired of Coda's crappy programming.
Finale is the most un-Mac-like program ever, in every possible way you could imagine.
It's also incredibly powerful. No other notation tool gives you nearly as much control over every aspect of the score, formatting, weird time signatures and key signatures, floating measures, alternate
Re:Finale (Score:2)
If only Igor Engraver would move to Mac OS X.... Sigh.
Finale in October (Score:2)
MacCentral reports [macworld.com] that Finale for OS X will be available in October of this year.
I'm not a musician, so I have no idea of the quality of this software; but the timeframe was in question, so now you know.
Re:Finale (Score:1)
sibelius (Score:5, Informative)
sibelius.com [sibelius.com]
finale is the other choice, but sibelius is much easier to use and learn - and in my experience is just as powerful. available for mac and windows.
i was a music composition major and ended up using sibelius for nearly everything i wrote - instrumental works, choral, whatever. it does have limited playback features too.
Re:sibelius (Score:5, Informative)
Re:sibelius (Score:2, Insightful)
If you're looking for something quick, choose Sibelius, as the learning curve is easier.
If you're looking for publication-quality, or if you might go that direction in the future, then choose Finale. It has the ability to tweak more parameters, particulary in-depth manipulation of slurs, that make it the only viable pr
Re:sibelius -Simplicity- (Score:1)
Re:sibelius (Score:2)
Now, it's possible that the mac version doesn't have this (or many of
Not to be so specific (Score:3, Insightful)
I've seen recommendations for Finale, which is available for Windows and Mac platforms. Is there any open-source software that also does the same thing, for the Linux/BSD crowd?
Re:Not to be so specific (Score:1)
Engraving programs are INCREDIBLY complicated, so it seems to me that it's very unlikely you'd find it in the open source community because of the incredibly high complexity and low number of people who use software like that.
Re:Not to be so specific (Score:1, Insightful)
Perhaps you meant "the incredibly high complexity of making a graphical notation editor that gets it right from playing the keyboard", not the high complexity of turning well specified, structured music into stave notation.
Re:Not to be so specific (Score:1)
While I think the notation editor really only creates rough draught scores rather than professional, you could check out Rosegarden-4 [all-day-breakfast.com] for GNU/Linux.
It also exports to Lilypond [lilypond.org] format, which does do professional score typesetting.
Other options can be found here [condorow.net], though some of the apps are bit obscure.
Re:Not to be so specific (Score:1)
Re:Not to be so specific (Score:3, Informative)
~GoRK
Harmony Assistant (Score:5, Informative)
I switched to it from Sibelius/Finale when they took too long to come out with a mac os x version (and charged too much when they did). Harmony Assistant is only $65, and they provide a reasonably crippled demo.
They also make a plugin (that comes as a free trial with the software) called Virtual Singer that uses Text-to-Speech to give you an approximation of how a vocal piece will sound (kinda scary, but good for hearing what you're doing before you put it in front of a chorus)...
There's also support for a million different kinds of tablature, all the usual staves and so forth. Like I said, it's a little rough around the edges, but a $65 price tag (compared to $600 for sibelius or finale) makes it all worth it.
Re:Harmony Assistant (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Harmony Assistant (Score:2)
Re:Harmony Assistant (Score:1)
Re:Harmony Assistant (Score:1)
The number of features is very impressive and it is quite customizab
Melody/Harmony Assistant (Score:2, Informative)
I'd check out Myriad's [myriad-online.com] Melody Assistant [myriad-online.com] or it's more powerful and more expensive sibling Harmony Assistant. [myriad-online.com] Melody is $15 shareware and quite powerful.
I can't compare the speed of notation with other programs as I haven't used them much. Its been great for the work I've done, however.
Re:Melody/Harmony Assistant (Score:1)
Lime (Score:3, Informative)
So does Google [google.com].
Re:Lime (Score:2, Informative)
Let me repeat that: ***it's free***
Finale sells fo
Hey (Score:5, Informative)
lilypond 1.6.10-2 (GNU Music Typesetter) [sourceforge.net]
LilyPond prints beautiful sheet music. It produces music notation from a description file. It excels at typesetting classical music, but you can also print pop-songs. LilyPond input is plain text. So, you can use your favorite text editor to enter it, you can put it in mail or embed it in an article like this: \key c \minor r8 c16 b c8 g as c16 b c8 d | g,4 Or you can use it to print music from other programs, using one of the numerous input filters. LilyPond output looks beautiful. The font and the layout algorithms were inspired by engraved music, so you can expect that same clear and elegant look from your LilyPond output. And if anything is not to your liking, you can tweak almost everything. [Fink Packages (Stable) [sourceforge.net]]
Re:Hey (Score:2, Informative)
Cheers,
- Graham
Intuem (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.intuem.com/ [intuem.com]
Re:Intuem (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.intuem.com/
Intuem is great for sequencing, but the original question was about sheet music software. Intuem does have a "staff" display, but this is not powerful enough for someone who wants to print out sheet music suitable for publication, or even suitable for distributing to someone else to sightread.
Re:Intuem (Score:1)
Anyway, Intuem does work for printing sheet music.
Re:Intuem (Score:2)
Anyway, Intuem does work for printing sheet music.
What if you need first and second endings? What if you need articulations on top of notes, or crescendos? What if you need grace notes?
These are not "power user" features, these are pretty basic formatting for sheet music, and Intuem is missing most (if not all) of them.
I'm not trying to dis Intuem. I think it's a pretty c
Re:Intuem (Score:1)
Maybe its not as sophisticated as Finale or a properly configured TeX setup, but Intuem is still a valid contendor in the list of "usable OSX music-printing apps", and therefore should be included. Who knows, maybe the next major release will add grace notes and articulations
Cubase? (Score:2)
Two great sites to check out. (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.osxaudio.com and
http://www.macmusic.org
two sites/communities for everything you could possibly want to know about Mac OS X audio software.
Alex.
Re:Two great sites to check out. (Score:2, Informative)
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Ummm logic (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ummm logic (Score:3, Insightful)
To put "really crappy manual" in perspective, Logic is at version 6, and my manual is a poorly organized version 4 manual with a version 5 addendum and a version 6 addendum. Yes I upgraded from version 4, but even people who buy the new version get t
Two birds, one stone... (Score:2)
Re:Ummm logic (Score:1)
Re:*sigh* (Score:1)
No, I don't like pen and paper because I have difficulty reading it fast enough even with a single-voice instrument, and I don't memorise pieces. Manuscript for organ or piano would be completely beyond me. I may also want to write out choir parts, and it's easier for other people with clean printouts.
The other problem is that I make too many mistakes and my manuscripts would end up looking like a battle zone.
Tracking / non-notation (Score:1)
Can anyone recommend a good, cheap music tracking or creation package for the Mac for someone who is interested in getting into making music on their Mac.
I guess I'm not really after anything pro, just something I can record guitar tracks on, throw in a couple of drum loops and make a noise with. An OS X version would be the best. Any ideas?
Re:Tracking / non-notation (Score:2)
Cubase seems to be the second most popular, among pros and home users alike. SX is really robust, and there are cheaper versions with less features.
Reason is the coolest thing
Re:Tracking / non-notation (Score:1)
My father is a composer, and a bit of a computer-phobe (hey, he's 74!) and despite that, over the years he's really come to depend on Finale. To understand how important a tool like this is to a composer, I can't get him to use email or a web browser, but Finale turned him into a regular computer user. I
Re:Tracking / non-notation (Score:2)
Interesting bit about your dad, nevertheless. Just goes to show you that lots of times, it's not that computers are hard to learn, or that old people are stupid, it's just that they don't care. Reminds me of that Homer quote: "Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."
Re:Tracking / non-notation (Score:1)
The main frustration I've experienced is latency. Conversion to audio takes just a fraction of a second -- which is a fraction of a second too much.
The result is that I can't multitrack in sync to a live track. I record an initial midi track for guidance, and run the metronome out to my drum machine. Then I have to record each audio track to the midi -- not to another audio.
Admittedly, this could be the result of my cheap USB aud
Re:Tracking / non-notation (Score:2)
MusiXTeX (Score:5, Interesting)
What is MusiXTeX?
MusiXTeX is a set of TeX macros and fonts to typeset polyphonic or orchestral music. It is still in progress and updated.
Usually TeX source files are typeset as texts with some control sequences. But MusiXTeX source files are filled with macros to type musical marks, and they look so complicated that many people hesitate at a glance. MusiXTeX is not so easy, that's true. But once you master it, you can produce scores no less quality than the ones on market.
Anyway, the website is here [jpn.org] and it would seem that there is a large archive of classics and standard peices to download as well. I even think that there is a nice WYSIWYG editor someplace for it, but I'm too lazy to search.
Re:MusiXTeX (Score:2)
MusicXML? (Score:2, Informative)
Dan Aris
NoteAbility (Score:1)
finale is the end (Score:1)
Try Lime (Score:2, Informative)
Lilypond (Score:3, Informative)
http://lilypond.org
Also available from fink. http://fink.sourceforge.net
Lilypond runs on GNU/Linux, Windows, MacOS, and other *nixs. It produces sheet music that looks better than Finale, but it is Free software.
Cheers,
- Graham
Summary (Score:5, Informative)
Full featured WYSIWYG notation software:
Finale [finalemusic.com] - this is like the Microsoft Office of music notation - seems easy to use at first, really annoying once you try to do more complicated things, but has thousands of features. No other program has as many features as Finale, even though Finale implements many of them quite poorly. Totally unintuitive and not very Mac-like. Unfortunately, Finale files are the standard file format in the industry, so if you're going to be trading sheet music with other composers, you'll need to have Finale. See also their low-end versions, Finale Allegro and PrintMusic - there's nothing at all wrong with these if you don't need the features they leave out - mainly the ability to work with large scores and do part extraction.
Sibelius [sibelius.com] - intuitive, Mac-like. Easier to use than Finale, though some things take some getting used to. Not quite as powerful. Buggy - not more so than Finale, but in different ways. In theory it can open Finale files - not sure how well it really works.
Low-end WYSIWYG notation software:
Harmony Assistant [myriad-online.com]
Lime Music Notation [cerlsoundgroup.org]
Unix (may work on Mac OS X with Apple's X11):
Rosegarden [all-day-breakfast.com]
Text-based (no GUI, but renders nice output):
MusicTeX [jpn.org]
Lilypond [sourceforge.net]
Sequencers (may do a little bit of notation):
Intuem [intuem.com]
Cubase et. al from Steinberg [steinberg.net]
Logic Audio [emagic.de]
Please feel free to add and re-post. If someone wants to compile prices for all of these, that would be great.
Re:Summary (Score:1)
For just plain-old putting notes and text on a page, I'll use Lime over anything else. In fact, for almost anything, I'll use Lime over anything else. And for someone who doesn't have a copy of F
Re:Summary - "Logic Audio" (Score:3, Informative)
The "Logic Audio" series is now just called "Logic". It is available in 3 different versions: Logic Platinum, Logic Gold, and Logic Audio (they used to be called Logic Audio Platinum, Logic Audio Gold, and Logic Audio Silver).
You categorize it as a sequencer which may do a little bit of notation - but in fact Logic's score editor is an extremely powerful notation package unto itself. It's leaps beyond any other sequencer package in this area.
As stated in a previous post, it really is a
Re:Summary (Score:1)
Sibelius vs Finale (Score:4, Insightful)
Firstly I've dealt with publishers and for the most part they use neither Finale nor Sibelius, but specialized and sometimes inhouse alternatives. IME they are particularly critical of Finale's copy, and feel that it's not up to snuff for publishable work. Sibelius does fare slightly better in their eyes. In side by side tests Sibelius produces nicer copy, at least IMO.
Secondly Sibelius IS easier to learn and use than Finale.
Most importantly, it is a myth in my experience that Sibelius is a less powerful program than Finale. YES, you can set MIDI channels. YES, you can manipulate slurs in extreme ways. Read the manual people. Easy to learn doesn't mean everything is obvious. I've had many discussions with hardcore Finale users, and in every case the features which they felt were unique to Finale are implemented as well or better in Sibelius. (Could be some I'm not familiar with though; any candidates?)
In conclusion I'd say go with Sibelius, sounds like it's more than adequate for your needs, and you'll be happier in the long run.
My two cents as a professional user (Score:5, Informative)
What's more, Sibelius is fast becoming a co-industry-standard format along with Finale, so publishers, competitions, other composers, etc. etc., will more than likely be able to access any files you need to send them. It also converts Finale files rather well (when saved as
It's all about the best tool for the job, and as far as the professional music community is concerned, it's either Finale or Sibelius. Both are good, Finale is not OS X native (though they promise to be in version 2004), and Sibelius is excellent, so I chose Sibelius.
A word of warning, however: Sibelius is have some kind of MIDI playback problem with Quicktime MIDI in 10.2.4+ which has not been remedied. Using an external MIDI device clears it up completely, but if you're relying on Quicktime built-in MIDI, stay at 10.2.3 or below (including 10.1.x)...
*plink,plink*
Sibelius might fit the bill for you. (Score:3, Informative)
It costs $599 full price, but for educational and/or religious organization users the educational price is good, and if you shop around a bit, you can get it even cheaper (I found my copy for $170).
Hope this helps!
-raejae
(btw... anybody know if I can change my username to get rid of the nasty caps? Stupid young me...)
Final 2004 (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Finale (Score:2, Informative)
I think something like this has been created (Score:2)
I'm getting touch with the author now.
Email me at zavpublic at mac.com and I'll pass the information on.
Try Nightingale (Score:1)
There is a free version of it, nearly full up in capability, called Nightlight.
Not yet for OS X, but works under OS X Classic and straight Mac OS's.
Good typesetting capability, compatible with the NoteScan application, which can scan sheet music into a file which can be imported by the full up version of Nightingale. (I have notescan, it works pretty well).
The free version, Nightlight is quite good, by the way, with only a few limitations: the size of a score, and won't import the N
Logic Audio, you FOOLS! (Score:4, Informative)
While Logic itself can have a bit of a steep learning curve, there are now brilliant books [peachpit.com] and active, friendly mailing lists [yahoo.com] available to help you out. And the notation part of the program has always been pretty intuitive. Plus, as an organ player, you might appreciate that Logic has what I feel is the best B3 plug in ever made [emagic.de] (Logic comes with a 30 day demo of this, and all its virtual instruments [emagic.de] for you to mess around with). And if, down the road, you decide you want to take your notating to the next level and produce/mix/record/arrange/whatever, Logic will be able to take you there.
There are three different versions of Logic,
They differ mostly in how many audio tracks you can arrange with, what DSP effects ship with each one, and other minor stuff like being able to draw automation curves. Feature comparison charts [emagic.de] are available. For what you describe, you would need nothing more than Logic Audio, but the upgrade path to Gold and Platinum is clear and affordable should you decide you need more later on.
Two words... (Score:1)