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Internal Documents Show Apple Knew the iPhone 6 Would Bend (vice.com) 130

In 2014, multiple users reported that their iPhone 6 and 6 Plus handsets were bending under pressure, such as when they were kept in a pocket. As a byproduct of this issue, the touchscreen's internal hardware was also susceptible to losing its connection to the phone's logic board. It turns out, Apple was aware that this could happen. Motherboard: Apple's internal tests found that the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are significantly more likely to bend than the iPhone 5S, according to information made public in a recent court filing obtained by Motherboard. Publicly, Apple has never said that the phones have a bending problem, and maintains that position, despite these models commonly being plagued with "touch disease," a flaw that causes the touchscreen to work intermittently that the repair community say is a result of bending associated with normal use. The information is contained in internal Apple documents filed under seal in a class-action lawsuit that alleges Apple misled customers about touch disease. The documents remain under seal, but US District Court judge Lucy Koh made some of the information from them public in a recent opinion in the case. The company found that the iPhone 6 is 3.3 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s, and the iPhone 6 Plus is 7.2 times more likely to bend than the iPhone 5s, according to the documents. Koh wrote that "one of the major concerns Apple identified prior to launching the iPhones was that they were 'likely to bend more easily when compared to previous generations.'"
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Internal Documents Show Apple Knew the iPhone 6 Would Bend

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    The weird thing was Apple replaced the whole screen and it was still bent. It went haywire after that and hit a full refurb phone. Great phone the iPhone 6.

    • Using Samsung's bendable screen technology, Apple can now make pre-bent replacement screens for your bent iPhones.

      So no need to replace the phone. Just repair it by installing a new, working, pre-bent screen into your bent phone.

      Apple innovative thinking at work. And it's by design. The new design is in fashion. Soon all new phones will be bent. Don't believe me? Just look at how many Android phones are copying that horrible abomination called "the notch", now that Apple is getting rid of it.
  • But did they know it would blend?
  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday May 24, 2018 @01:29PM (#56667552) Homepage Journal
    Apple will replace your iPhone 6 for "only" $149 if you run into the touch screen disease. Since it really is a manufacturing flaw, it should be $0. There is currently a class action lawsuit over it.
    • See? Clearly there is no bending problem - they're bending just fine and generating additional revenue in the process!

      If the problem is actually just losing the connection between touch screen and logic board, rather than damaging one of them internally, you'd have to wonder why they didn't just use a more flexible connector. 1/4" of ribbon cable would easily handle any bends that didn't damage the rest of the phone, while adding minimal cost. It's enough to make a cynic suspect nefarious intent.

      • The class action lawsuit will cost them much more than the incremental revenue. I suspect the lawsuit will succeed.
  • by Spy Handler ( 822350 ) on Thursday May 24, 2018 @01:32PM (#56667578) Homepage Journal

    It's just a phone, I don't feel much outrage.

    I mean, if we're talking about cars and people dying from a design defect, and the car company making a cold calculation that settling lawsuits from dead customers' relatives would be cheaper than recalling and fixing the entire fleet of cars (see the movie "Fight Club" for example), then yes I can see myself feeling some level of outrage.

    But like I said, it's just a damn phone. So Apple calculated that .03 % of iphone 6's will bend, cost of settling would be X, and cost of recalling the entire year's worth of iphone 6 will be Y, and Y turned out to be much greater than X, so they went with option X. Sounds pretty logical to me.

    • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Thursday May 24, 2018 @01:37PM (#56667644) Homepage Journal
      It is a $700-$900 phone with a defect. The only solution to this defect was to get a new $700-$900 replacement. Did you think Apple fixed or replaced it for free?
      • What upsets me is that I honestly don't think it would have happened when Steve Jobs was at the helm. After he passed away the company applied the standard strategy of charging as much as possible and reducing the cost of manufacturing the product.

        They forget that it was that level of quality that many of us were willing to pay for. They've been losing credibility from me for years with buggy releases and crappy hardware. Eventually, the momentum will run out and some other company that is run by somebody w

        • Eventually the MBA's and the accountants start smelling money and overrule the people who care. Unless you have a strong leader who can stand up to these types of people it is going to happen to any company.
          • Eventually the MBA's and the accountants start smelling money and overrule the people who care. Unless you have a strong leader who can stand up to these types of people it is going to happen to any company.

            Which is why consumers with a clue should have taken precautionary measures to prevent the entire product segment from degenerating into a walled-garden duopoly.

            Because holding all four railroads or both utilities is massive bean-sniffer power up. Ensconced on a fantasy island of Florin/Guilder (also kno

        • LG produces some decent phones. They were one of the last holdouts with removable batteries, and still have a memory card slot and headphone jack on their flagship phones. But they don't seem to be overtaking anyone...

        • by Raenex ( 947668 )

          What upsets me is that I honestly don't think it would have happened when Steve Jobs was at the helm.

          You mean Steve "You're holding it wrong" Jobs?

      • by neoRUR ( 674398 )

        Yes this is exactly what happened to me. I got the iphone 6+ when it came out (buying it full price) thinking this will last me 3-4 years. Then 1 year later, I get the problem and the phone is unusable and I have to buy a new iphone 7+ and have to put it on monthly plan.
        I keep this one out of my back pocket and am careful to not bend it now.
        But it is clearly a defect and the bend was not that much.

      • by Guspaz ( 556486 )

        They replaced it at a discount, at least. It happened to my iPhone 6 out-of-warranty, and they replaced the entire phone for the cost of just the replacement screen. Of course, that was still a few hundred dollars.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        They have a few journalists a free replacement, but individuals were SOL.

    • and longer phone is more likely to bend than shorter one in a pocket. This is a shocking revelation.

    • by rsborg ( 111459 )

      I'd also add that (having bent ever so slightly my 4S) that I would always remove my phone from my back pocket before sitting down.

      Remarkably that prevented any future bends in phones.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It wouldn't be so bad if they were not being dicks about replacing bent phones. They knew it was a problem and replaced some journalists phones immediately, but normal customers were left with expensive bricks.

    • It's just a phone

      Careful. You may not be outraged, but you certainly will outrage others with that attitude.

  • multiple users reported that their iPhone 6 and 6 Plus handsets were bending under pressure, such as when they were kept in a pocket.

    I would imagine God is pretty scared right about now over minor chronic misuse leading to certain body parts bending.

  • by MiniMike ( 234881 ) on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:15PM (#56667954)

    The only part about this that I find surprising is that Apple's solution to this wasn't to sell iPants with no pockets.

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      The only part about this that I find surprising is that Apple's solution to this wasn't to sell iPants with no pockets.

      Given the girth of the average Apple fan** here in the UK... I wouldn't want to see any of them in pants*.

      * For the uninitiated, in the UK pants == underwear. What you call pants we call trousers.

      ** Apple are missing out on a huge opportunity, the iPie. Buy a £0.50 frozen pie from ASDA, add a apple logo made from pastry to the top and sell them for £5 a piece. Apple fans would live off them.

      • ** Apple are missing out on a huge opportunity, the iPie. Buy a £0.50 frozen pie from ASDA, add a apple logo made from pastry to the top and sell them for £5 a piece. Apple fans would live off them.

        This wouldn't work. An Apple fan wouldn't pay less than £10 for that pie.

  • by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:42PM (#56668208)

    I don't get it. The pinnacle of this nonsense was the newer Moto Z. What is this bullshit? Give me a friggin Phone that doesn't feel like I'm holding a thin small slice of plywood with some fragile crystal glued on. And Oooph the battery while your at it. Point in case: I added a UAG case to my Moto G5 and it finally feels like a phone and not some piece of junk from a vending machine that will break when I sneeze at it. How awesome would it be if that extra heft would be like +2000mAmps of power. ... OnePlus, Nokia, Motorola ... all are into this nonsense. I seriously don't get it.

    There definitely is a market for solid phones the thickness of the iPhone SE or thicker that have a solid battery and a case that doesn't fall apart. Or bend.
    If I had the resoures I'd build it.

    My 2 cents.

    • The market is okay with buying products designed to break. Why would the producers make anything else? They're not interested in what you want, nor how long it shall last - only if you'll keep givingthem cash.

    • Serious question here: What if I could sell you a phone - for, say, $600 - that was 18mm thick, had a 5" 1920x1080 screen, 6000 mAh battery, ran stock Android, 5 GB RAM/128 GB Flash, IP68 rated, headphone jack, dual SIM card capable, and would take MicroSD cards? Would you buy that?
      • Yes. Those are somewhere around the specs I had in mind. Make it a case that has screws and can be replaced + a variety of different colored cases and up the repairability and you've got yourselves a new hot contender for "smartphone of the year" I would say.

        • Now if you could get together 50million like minded friends we would have a market.

          • Don't need 50MM people - 10K people would do it... Yes, i have those connections, and we've been seriously talking about this approach.
            • Don't need 50MM people - 10K people would do it... Yes, i have those connections, and we've been seriously talking about this approach.

              errr. no, you're delusional if you think 10000 people is a market that would even come close to breaking even, let alone be profitable for an expensive to develop high tech gadget. The Essential phone sold close to 10x that last year, and the result was ... $50m in the red and the company effectively folded 2 days ago.

              • Hmmm... Methinks you're wrong. It's millions if you develop everything brand-new from the ground up. Use an already existing cell-phone platform and screen, it's a lot lower hurdle to execution. Much like it's easier to offer a vehicle based on an existing platform than building a whole new platform altogether (had to work in the obligatory /. car analogy). I do believe it can be done - and profitable - at 10,000 units... The question becomes distribution/marketing - Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Banner a
                • And then get all your numbers turns upside down when patent owners come for their cut. There goes any margin you had in mind.
                  • What "patent owners"? I'd build on an existing platform - it's fair use to buy an existing product, extend it, and resell. That's extremely common in almost all industries - or else no one could ever build vehicles, houses, computers, etc.
                • Ok lets go through it.

                  It's millions if you develop everything brand-new from the ground up.

                  Essential phone tried this. Investment was in the hundreds of millions range.

                  Use an already existing cell-phone platform and screen,

                  Your fundamental requirement was the existing platform didn't suit your needs. You are literally back to ground up development of the hardware. The result is still a development cost in the 10s of millions.

                  I do believe it can be done - and profitable - at 10,000 units...

                  Well we're going to have to agree to disagree since you won't even look at the Essential example as evidence that it can't. Your $10000 shipments won't even cover development, let alone retooling, production

                  • The expensive parts of development of these kinds of products (which I have done in the past) are the display, the main board, and the software. Using an off-the-shelf display and main board (there are plenty with the specs I've quoted) eliminates that. Software - stock Android, and the drivers already exist for the main board. This is really a packaging deal, with new mechanicals to provide IP68 (which is not unheard of) and internal space for a larger battery. This is much more akin to developing a cu
                    • Okay so you have no clue really about mobile phones at all. Let me break it down for you:

                      All displays are off the shelf unless you're LG or Samsung. There's no development cost there.
                      Every version of the Android is effectively custom software unless you're duplicating someone else's phone which effectively makes the entire scenario pointless.
                      As for off the shelf mainboard. ... Yeah you clearly have no idea. Every mainboard in every model of phone is custom. Not only that the very specs you quoted would nece

                    • OK, all that aside. If I can bring a $600 unit to market with the specs originally listed, would you be interested?
                    • Nope. But it's a simple use case kind of issue. I'm sure you will find people who want that kind of thing, but it's not for me. We can go down the list:

                      $600 - Yes in my price range.
                      18mm thick - No I prefer thin phones. 10mm would be about my limit.
                      5" 1920x1080 screen - No, need a higher res phone because I enjoy playing with VR.
                      6000 mAh battery - Yes, but it won't fit in that package. I'm happy to accept an external battery pack if needed but not necessary. This would be far more interesting to my girlfrien

        • Nice - thank you for the answer! I'm actually looking at doing this - but it would be just black cases, somewhat difficult to disassemble (but not impossible, just easier to make it more than a few screws and still hold IP68). No need for external cases as it's toughened already. And niche focused - 10K, 20K to make it actually succeed. Doesn't have fancy "face unlock" or stuff like that, but all the basics and rugged and a big battery!
    • Here you go:

      * https://sonimtech.com/xp8/
      * https://www.kyoceramobile.com/duraforce-pro/

      They both come w/ dedicated PTT buttons too.
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  • that we would know about it?
  • Any 5 year knows that it's a bad idea to put something with one side made of glass in your ass-pocket and sit down.

    Why somebody would do such a stupid thing is beyond me.

  • Internal Documents Show Apple Knew the iPhone 6 Would Blend

    https://youtu.be/KWqw5SpITg8 [youtu.be]

  • It's been known for a long time that Apple customers are a load of benders [oxforddictionaries.com].

  • The 4s was great. The 5s was the last decent iPhone. The 6 onwards were just too big. The 7 had no headphone jack.

    RIP iPhone.

  • Apple is wonderful at product testing, they just suck at using the resulting data to improve their products. Now we have documented proof of this.

    So sad, how far they've fallen. One wonders how long it will take their money to catch up... or if they might correct course before that happens.
  • I remember when this phone came out, the first article I saw talking about the phones bending was titled something like: "iPhone users' tight jeans are bending their phones."

    I think that's been my favorite title for an iPhone news story.

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