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An anonymous reader writes "An Apple insider who asked not to be identified because the information is classified told Bloomberg that Apple's next iPhone models will come with curve displays and enhanced touchscreen sensors that can detect heavy and light touches. The two models -- 4.7-inches and 5.5-inches -- would be Apple's largest iPhones. Apple is still developing the two models and the person disclosed that Apple could launch the devices in the third quarter of next year."
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Apple Developing Curve Screen iPhones and Improved Sensors

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  • Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.....all for twice the price of an equivalent Nexus phone.

    No thanks. A phone where I can't install a browser of my choice(not just a reskin), download torrents on, use widgets(yes, they greatly increase productivity) on or not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen isn't much use to me.

    • by rsborg (111459) on Monday November 11, 2013 @03:37AM (#45389191) Homepage

      Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.....all for twice the price of an equivalent Nexus phone.

      No thanks. A phone where I can't install a browser of my choice(not just a reskin), download torrents on, use widgets(yes, they greatly increase productivity) on or not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen isn't much use to me.

      I just bought a Nexus 5, coming from an iPhone5. I still haven't figured out how to get widgets on my lock screen (apparently, it's *not* just a setting in security - all the JB guides refer to things that KitKat doesn't permit). I sure hope that isn't a feature regression, cause I can get weather on my iOS7 lockscreen (with a drop-slider). Furthermore, during setup/install, I had to enter my wifi password twice (once before update, then after update it forgot all my settings), and it blanked out in an enitre screen. Add to that the fact that the built-in PDF renderer failed on 2 documents I tried to download, and that swiftkey is slow to load, the Chrome location bar is poorly spaced (causing me to wipe out several addresses), and the general confusion about how things are done (there's a search app and the browser app - look and behave similarly but aren't the same).

      The bluetooth seems to work better with apps on my Nexus, and the screen real-estate is nice. But ... there are a lot of things that the previous-year iPhone did much better/cleaner than the Nexus does. I'm not going back just yet - but so far it isn't a bed of roses here. Hoping I can sort out some of these expectation misses before I feel forced to send this device back.

      • by metrix007 (200091)

        Out of curiosity, what would you say the iPhone did better?

        I don't have KitKat so can't help with that, but don't assume the bundle browser is chrome unless it actually says chrome. If it doesn't, may well be worth getting Chrome or Dolphin.

        Also, why would you need swiftkey? The android keyboard does the same thing now.

        For searching, you shouldn't need an app, just use the search bar at the top of every home screen.

        Widgets on lockscreens are still there...

        It sounds like you just have to learn a different wa

        • by z_gringo (452163)

          Also, why would you need swiftkey? The android keyboard does the same thing now.

          Swiftkey allows you to type in two different languages without autocorrect issues. This is a HUGE deal for people who use regularly use different languages when typing on their phones.

      • First you need to check that box in security as you saw.

        Then at the lock screen sweep from left (all the way left) to right. You'll get to a blank screen with a plus sign on it. Click the plus sign and you can add a widget.Now if you want that to be the default widget instead of one you have to sweep to get to, then you have to sweep back to the main lock screen, click and hold it and drag it to the "remove" item at the top.

        The setup/install is screwed, you do have to go through setup at least partially twi

      • by nblender (741424)

        I've also finally managed to order a Nexus-5 to replace my iphone 4... I haven't got it yet but have used and own other Android devices... There are a handful of annoyances with Android devices that iphones don't have but the reverse is also true... I'm switching my phone from IOS to Android primarily due to cost and screen size. My general perception is that IOS is just cleaner and Android is more hacky...

        My annoyances with the Android devices I've owned or used before:

        - When a text message comes in, it

      • I've found swiftkey to be shitty in comparison to swype. You might try that.
      • by Nerdfest (867930)

        Keep in mind that this is like a Windows person moving to OSX. It's a completely different OS and you need to realize up front that things are going to be different. Not even necessarily better or worse, just different.

    • by noh8rz10 (2716597)

      Still with an OS that lacks features that have become standard in other platforms, still with sucky app management, still with a lack of control for a device you won.

      sweet how did you win an iPhone? Like a contest or something?

    • by Bogtha (906264)

      I'm curious what you mean by "sucky app management". One of the things that really bugs me about Android is that the standard way of removing an app from a device is to go into Settings > App Management > Pick the app > Uninstall, which then pops up a dialog box confirming deletion. On iOS, I just have to tap and hold the app icon, then tap the x, which makes the app disappear instantly. iOS seems to have the clear advantage there.

      not have every damn app as an icon on a home screen

      Put your

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 11, 2013 @03:12AM (#45389081)

    At last! It's nice to see Apple innovating and taking the lead again.

    • by geirlk (171706)

      Mod, mark this "insightful", or "flamebait".

  • by RightSaidFred99 (874576) on Monday November 11, 2013 @03:22AM (#45389125)
    Apple is not developing large screen phones with curved displays, they are inventing large screen phones with curved displays.
    • So this new iPhone will be exactly like the Samsung Galaxy Round [engadget.com] then?
    • by rasmusbr (2186518)

      Apple's star team of designers and engineers has rethought the whole concept of the phone screen from the ground up and designed a completely new metacarpal retina display that gives the user a profound and natural experience, as the screen follows the natural motion of your thumb and responds to your touch in a way that's completely superior to previous flimsy attempts at curved screens by lesser companies.

  • Given that capacitive touchscreens are typically intended to be used with input devices (fingers or those ghastly little rubber stylus-things) that deform under pressure, is there something stopping you from computing approximate pressure by examining the size of the area of contact across the duration of the touch? A light touch would presumably be of nearly constant size, with little or no deformation of the user's finger, a heavy touch would have substantially greater surface area at its peak (when the u
    • by EETech1 (1179269)

      Android has a show pointer locations setting in developer options that gives the size and pressure of the touch (among other things) and it seems to give a good indication of both. At least on the 3 devices I've owned, not sure if they all work that well.

      Cheers

  • by shikari666 (770101) on Monday November 11, 2013 @04:21AM (#45389357)
    Is the letter "d" particularly expensive these days?

    "...iPhone models will come with curve displays and enhance touchscreen sensors," Why not, "curved displays and enhanced touchscreen sensors"?

    I'm not so much a grammar Nazi as someone who believes that if you're going to write something for a large (or even small) audience you should make an effort to write clearly in respect for that audience. I'll probably get the "You jerk, you know what he meant!" response but I stand by my point.
    • Is the possessive apostrophe particularly expensive these days?

      "...told Bloomberg that Apple next iPhone models will come with..." and "...would be Apple largest iPhones."

      Why not "Apple's next iPhone" and "Apple's largest iPhones?" Because as girlintraining posted elsewhere,

      "Dice doesn't have dedicated slashdot editors anymore. They are editors of a dozen or so sites. Really now, what kind of quality do you expect now that they've sold out and now monetize the web synergies to create a new market paradigm of customer-focused informational advertisements?"

    • by Megahard (1053072)

      Apple decide to remove verb tense, as it just clutter the interface and provide no additional information.

    • by WD (96061)

      You're criticizing the grammar of a submitter's summary? You must be new here.

    • ed touchscreen sensors"?
      I'm not so much a grammar Nazi as someone who believes that if you're going to write something for a large (or even small) audience you should make an effort to write clearly in respect for that audience. I'll probably get the "You jerk, you know what he meant!" response but I stand by my point.

      He probably meant to to say "I'm not so much a grammar Nazi as someone who believes that if one's going to write something for a large (or even small) audience one should make an effort to write clearly in respect for that audience. I'll probably get the "You jerk, you know what he meant!" response but I stand by my point."

      I'll probably get the "You jerk, you know what he meant!" response, too, but I stand by my point.

  • Maybe the curved screen is for the planned iWatch. Apple tends to use tricks so the press and industrial spies don't know accurately what feature will go to which product.

    • by Carewolf (581105)

      That is how I would design a smart watch. Not watch sized, but a widescreen smart phone worn on the arm.

  • I just can't see how a curved display is any better than a flat one. It makes the shape of the phone awkward, it becomes unstable on a flat surface unless the back of the phone is flat. In which case the sides are much thicker than needed. To me this is a totally unnecessary gimmick. Next up: Wavy displays, round displays, triangle displays. But Why?!?? Different != Better.

  • by Camembert (2891457) on Monday November 11, 2013 @04:33AM (#45389407)
    I currently live in Asia (1.5 years in Singapore and now in Hong Kong) and I've seen Android (mainly Samsung) phones getting more and more popular over that period. This is very obvious when observing people in the metro.

    From discussions, it is mainly the large screen size that draws many people to these Samsung devices. Leaving out the tiring arguments of fanboys of each camp, non-technical people liked the iphones just fine, sometimes preferring the way it works, but mainly they prefer a bigger screen.

    Myself, I prefer a compact phone - I have an iPhone 4S and would love it with 5S guts. But it is obvious that Apple should have been selling bigger phones since a good time already. So, considering that the brand still has goodwill amongst non slashdotty users, I can imagine that they will win back some users with these bigger phones.

    Regarding the technical changes. I like the idea of a pressure-level sensitive sensor. I can imagine that a curved screen will look very posh (nothing wrong with that, in fact since a number of years I like buying things that are nicely designed, even if at a premium), but it's to my mind not really a true value add. I do expect that a curved screen will look much more natural on an eventual iWatch.
    • The majority of the large-screen demographic in Asia is women, not men. They want a single device and have bags to carry them in regardless of size. Men are more likely to have a smaller smartphone and a tablet to go with it.

    • by AmiMoJo (196126) *

      Pressure sensitive touch screens won't be very useful on a mobile device. When you are holding the phone in one hand you have fairly limited ability to vary the pressure you touch with. There are not many applications where it could have much practical purpose.

  • An Apple insider who asked not to be identified because the information is classifiedâ¦

    In other words, an unverifiable rumour from an unverifiable source. It appeared first on MacRumors, where it has some justification to appear because it is about rumours. It does not fit under "news for nerds", because it isn't news.

  • Apple has chosen as its trademark a small, flat, long, and narrow rectangle with rounded corners. And Apple made a big deal over this. Apple made their bed, let them sleep in it.

    Samsung ended up with the rounded smooth shapes. Samsung should patent the look and feel of phones with curved screens. They could file separate patents for different curvatures.

    • by jo_ham (604554)

      Apple has chosen as its trademark a small, flat, long, and narrow rectangle with rounded corners. And Apple made a big deal over this. Apple made their bed, let them sleep in it.

      Samsung ended up with the rounded smooth shapes. Samsung should patent the look and feel of phones with curved screens. They could file separate patents for different curvatures.

      Err... they do?

      Samsung has design patents on its own phones too.

      You don't think design patents are unique to Apple do you?

    • Samsung ended up with the rounded smooth shapes. Samsung should patent the look and feel of phones with curved screens. They could file separate patents for different curvatures.

      They not only should, but they have. Samsung has design patents for their Galaxy phones (I haven't looked for others). Design patents that consist of a list of design details, including corners that are rounded in a certain way.

  • by MidnightBrewer (97195) on Monday November 11, 2013 @06:55AM (#45389899)

    Apple develops many things that never go to market. Inside sources usually give up this information for a chance at being important.

  • I do not think it means what you think it means. Classified documents originate from a classification authority. There is no classification authority within Apple. Classification authorities are within the state and federal government. While Apple is large (and last I heard had more money than the federal reserve), that doesn't mean they can classify documents :)

    Now, there can be trade secrets, that's an entirely different thing. :)
  • I remember curved CRT monitors and TV set. When flat screen CRT appeared was a welcome innovation. Why on phones we have to go back in ergonomy only for the novelty factor? What next? iPhones will be equipped with vertical and horizontal hold knobs and only for US and Japan a Tint Knob?
    • Agreed, I don't see the appeal. With larger screens and now curved as well, it will just be extra bulky in your pocket and wobble on your desk/nightstand. OCD people will have a fit every time they put it down, waiting for it to be still.

      "So put it down the other way."

      "Yeah but I can't see the screen."
  • I like how everyone takes this rumour as EXTREMELY credible, like this is definitely what we're getting next year. Apple works on lots of stuff. They've probably been working with the ergonomics of curved screens in mockups for years, but who knows?

    I like Apple rumours as much as the next guy, but this is clickbait. Nobody knows what Apple will do for their phones next year. They'll be faster, and maybe they'll be bigger. They'll probably have a different design, but I suspect that the design will actually

  • I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this... but am I the only one here who actually likes having a small phone? I guess it's a trade-off. I'm willing to give up the convenience of having the extra screen real estate for having a small phone...

  • So they're finally adding height and width to their touch data. Such innovation. /s

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