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Many readers are submitting coverage from around the Net, all based on a Bloomberg piece quoting two anonymous sources who insist that Verizon Wireless will offer a CDMA iPhone in January 2011. No one at Verizon or Apple would confirm, of course, and no one at AT&T would comment. "The iPhone, which has been the sole domain of rival AT&T in the US since June 2007, will give Verizon a boost in its competition for smartphone customers, UBS AG analyst John Hodulik said in an interview. Verizon customers, who numbered 92.8 million at the end of the first quarter, may buy 3 million iPhones a quarter, he estimates. ... 'Apple is going to dramatically increase the number of devices it sells in the US when exclusivity at AT&T ends,' said Hodulik. ... 'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'"
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Verizon iPhone Rumored For Early Next Year

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  • by assemblerex (1275164) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:28PM (#32737872)
    Tomorrow! Tomorrow!You're always a day away!
  • by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:29PM (#32737886) Homepage

    I suppose I am an Apple "fanboy" and I like hearing interesting Apple news as much as the next guy, but there is no news here.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      I am certainly NOT an Apple fanboy, but it's silly to claim that this isn't news, *assuming* it turns out to be true. Apple has the most popular smartphone on the market, and the reason why many people, including businesses and me personally, haven't adopted it is because the iPhone is not available on Verizon. The AT&T exclusivity contract is the biggest hindrance to iPhone adoption - not the tech, not the restrictive App Store, and not Apple's policies. If exclusivity is over and there's a real dat

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Darkness404 (1287218)
        Yeah, its been rumored to be coming to Verizon ever since the iPhone 3G came out though. Each time its been proven to be false or terribly delayed. We had these same stories last year with the 3GS and stories the year previous. Until we get actual proof to back it up (such as CDMA hardware company buyout by Apple or something) it has no more credit than the stories 2 years ago.
        • As a non Apple Fanboy - I had assumed it was already on Verizon because I heard the news a couple years ago that it might be on Verizon soon and I figured I missed the news article saying it was released on Verizon.

          Apparently I've been had.

      • There have been rumors of a Verizon iPhone since before the first iPhone was released. Every time the supposed release date lapses, it gets pushed back 6 months.

        Now of course, sooner or later these rumors are bound to be right. Eventually, most carriers are moving to LTE so you might not even need different phone models for each carrier. But until there's something in the way of evidence or a reliable source, this isn't news.

      • It's news when it happens - or when it's imminent.

        "Next year" is forever in mobile phone world. People change phones every 2 years - next year is "half a generation away".

        'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'

        'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that the new iPhone has faced.'

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Apple has the most popular smartphone on the market

        WTF? Okay, Android is a variety of phones made by different manufacturers but how can you ignore Blackberry? "It's nbot popular it just sells a lot more" or something?

      • by DragonWriter (970822) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @08:01PM (#32738790)

        I am certainly NOT an Apple fanboy, but it's silly to claim that this isn't news, *assuming* it turns out to be true.

        If a Verizon iPhone actually occurs, or is announced, that will be news.

        That there are reports from anonymous sources that a Verizon iPhone will happen in the near future is not news, its s pretty regular occurrence.

        As an analogy:

        While it would be significant news if Judgement Day occurred, it would not be significant news that there was a man with a hand-lettered sign on a sidewalk in a major city announcing that Judgement Day was imminent.

      • Apple currently has a 28% market share of the smartphone market, even with its phone being exclusive to ATT. Opening it to the Verizon network will surely cause its market share to climb sharply.

        Right now, Apple is in a three-way tie for the market [appleinsider.com]. It will start to dominate the market if/when it goes onto the Verizon network.
    • by mjwx (966435)

      I suppose I am an Apple "fanboy" and I like hearing interesting Apple news as much as the next guy, but there is no news here.

      Not only that, this isn't even new.

      Every year (now every few months) you get the same "OMG Iphone N+1 will be on $TELCO". I had an American friend who is switching to Verizon (because he was moving out of another telco's service area, how quaint) and was looking at my Milestone (GSM variant of the Droid) in comparison to the Iphone yet all the Itards kept saying "there are strong

  • by perpenso (1613749) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:30PM (#32737890)
    I was in business school recently. Lots of classmates purchased iPhones. An equal number wanted to but did not want to switch their family plans from Verizon to AT&T. If and when Verizon becomes an option I expect a spike in sales like we are seeing with the introduction of the iPhone 4. When I think about it, maybe its good for Apple to add Verizon in between phone updates and not at the same time. It would just be more strain on a new supply chain trying to get ramped up.
    --
    Perpenso Calc [perpenso.com] for iPhone, scientific and hex calculator, RPN, fractions, complex numbers, 64/32-bit modes, signed/unsigned modes, IEEE FP encode/decode, UTF-8, RGB
    • by lazybeam (162300)

      What would Apple need to do to support CDMA and is there any market for one outside the USA? I know they shut down the CDMA network here in Australia a few years ago as it was replaced with a 850MHz 3G network. FWIW the iPhone is available for all the networks here, but the iPhone 4 will be the first to support them all completely (and AFAICT the first phone (not just iPhone) to support both 850 and 900 UMTS).

      • What would Apple need to do to support CDMA and is there any market for one outside the USA? I know they shut down the CDMA network here in Australia a few years ago as it was replaced with a 850MHz 3G network. FWIW the iPhone is available for all the networks here, but the iPhone 4 will be the first to support them all completely (and AFAICT the first phone (not just iPhone) to support both 850 and 900 UMTS).

        Canada was a market until November 2009 when the two major CDMA carriers (Telus/Bell) launched an HSPA+/HSUPA network in most of the provinces. I have my iPhone 3GS through Fido but I have my iPad on a 15 dollar paygo data plan with Bell.

        Most of the remaining CDMA markets are either comprised of people too poor to buy an iPhone and data plan or use a different variant of CDMA which uses SIM cards called CSIMs.

      • by NekSnappa (803141)
        According to what I read earlier today. This is supposed to coincide with Verizon's 4G roll out in January.
        And from what I understand Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T are all going to use LTE instead of WiMax for their 4G networks.

        Now I would think it would still have to have CDMA as a fall back when 4G is unavailable. So would still have to have a separate set of guts for the different providers.
        • Also, Verizon will use LTE only for data, initially. So you'll still need CDMA for voice. So you'd need both radios. Surf the web, talk on the phone, watch your battery drain.

      • Nope, my Samsung t459 dumbphone supports 850 and 900. It might be the first smartphone to support both...?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        The Infinion chipset in the iPhone already has the support needed for CDMA from what I've read, basically they just need to put the right radios in the phone, and Verizon needs to make the network enhancements to support visual voice mail.

        THe potential market in the US is huge, probably in the neighborhood of 60 million potential new buyers. Of course only a fraction of those will purchase, but since the Verizon customer base is about the same size as AT&T's and given the penetration of the iPhone in t

  • I Want (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:30PM (#32737894)

    If Apple wants to lock down the iPhone...

    And Google wants to remotely install and delete software from my droid...

    Then I want a N900 + MeeGo.

    I also want a pony.

  • Muwaaa-haa-haa-haaa!! --Verizon
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by pauljlucas (529435)
      Steve to AT&T: "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Yup. That's why when the iPhone 4G launched they allowed anyone to sign up for one, even if they weren't near the end of their contract. Now AT&T has locked in everyone who was an Apple fanboy or early adopter, and probably the majority of iPhone upgraders. When (if) it hits Verizon in January the only people who will be interested are the (relatively) few people who wanted an iPhone but who didn't want to leave Verizon for AT&T AND who didn't already shell out for a Droid X, Droid 2, or whatever

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:31PM (#32737904) Journal
    But it would be unbelievably hilarious to imagine what would happen if Verizon announced that they would be carrying the iPhone and, once all the eager little pre-orderers had plunked down their US Treasury gift cards, revealed the horrible truth: that the ViPhone had had the same ghastly Verizon software makeover as most of the other phones Verizon sells, unbelievably unintuitive red interface, V-Cast music store, and all.

    It would certainly calm fears at AT&T about subscriber loss...
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by d474 (695126)
      Are you trying to say you aren't TOTALLY excited about using the VZ Navigator on the viPhone? What is wrong with you.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:41PM (#32738022)

      Verizon's not doing this to their Android phones, so I see no reason why they'd do it to their iPhone (not that Apple would ever allow that to happen).

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by kefler (938387)
      Uhhh what? I have a Droid with verizon and there's no trace of V-anything. Unless you go to the market and install the basic verizon stuff. I think you are livin' in the past.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by brentrad (1013501)
        Yep, Verizon seems to have realized that if they gimp their Android phones (which are marketed to geeks), they would end up repelling those very geeks that they are trying to woo. I know I would not have got my Droid if Verizon had blocked all the fun stuff that comes stock with Android.

        Tech companies must know by now that a lot of non-geeks ask their geek friends and colleagues for tech advice - including what new smartphone to buy. Piss off or disappoint the geeks, and they will talk trash about your
        • by Wovel (964431)

          Where they really "pissed off" about those things? I hope they enjoy swapping out there battery every few hours :)

      • by cawpin (875453)
        Yes, he is in the past. But don't let that stop him from spewing FUD.
    • The only jerk move Verizon did to the Palm Pre is try to tack on turn by turn and aGPS for $10/mo.
    • by edmicman (830206)

      2005 called, they want their ant-Verizon rant back...

  • Too bad (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Darkness404 (1287218)
    Its really too bad Apple didn't go with multiple carriers from the beginning, I think they've already tarnished their phones reputation by keeping it on AT&T's crappy network, not to mention now bandwidth caps, how am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?

    Really, Apple should have gone multi-carrier from the 3G(S) onwards and probably from the first iPhone... But, this is Apple, after all, AT&T's terrible network is just part of the experience! Now you
    • different systems (Score:5, Insightful)

      by swschrad (312009) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:45PM (#32738064) Homepage Journal

      nothing that will work on the ATT network will work on Verizon. different chipsets, different modulation, different cell-skip algorithms.

      so Apple would have to whip up two different phones altogether. they could keep the screen and maybe some of the case parts, but nothing else. they don't do that.

      we are entering a new era, in which the 4G systems are going to be more similar than different. now, it makes sense for Apple to span multiple 4G systems, as you just fork the software left or right at boot, and twiddle some tables. note the rumored verIphone will only work in the 4G realm, which will be 1/5 of the network or so in January, but the whole thing by the 2012/2013 boundary.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Darkness404 (1287218)
        Yes, but its Apple, look at Motorola which pretty much shipped 4 versions of the Razor phone for each of the major carriers, just add some drivers to iOS and divide manufacturing between CDMA and GSM iPhones, for a company as large as Apple, its not too huge of a feat. For a tiny community driven company, yes, for a major hardware vendor like Apple? Its easy.
        • by Lars T. (470328) <Lars DOT Traeger AT googlemail DOT com> on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @07:19PM (#32738408) Journal

          Yes, but its Apple, look at Motorola which pretty much shipped 4 versions of the Razor phone for each of the major carriers, just add some drivers to iOS and divide manufacturing between CDMA and GSM iPhones, for a company as large as Apple, its not too huge of a feat. For a tiny community driven company, yes, for a major hardware vendor like Apple? Its easy.

          Why do something as easy as ship 4 different phones for the 4 major US carriers, when they can do something as complicated as ship one phone that works with at least one provider in just about every place on earth.

        • by Xtravar (725372)

          Keeping the permutations of devices small allows developers and Apple to focus on more important things.

      • Palm Pre exists on ATT and Verizon...are you suggesting Palm can do this but not Apple?
      • Re:different systems (Score:5, Interesting)

        by dafing (753481) on Wednesday June 30, 2010 @12:58AM (#32740690) Journal
        Ah, but see, what SHOULD have happened is that US carriers should have STUCK with GSM...

        Up until now, all iPhone complaints seemed to be "ITS ONLY ON AT&T!!!!111!!!!!", including reviews for international readers. Here in New Zealand, I can easily use our iPhones, sold unlocked by Vodafone, on THREE carriers. Overseas, the iPhone is sold EXPLICITLY to be used on any network you choose,

        "Buy your iPhone from Apple SIM-free."

        "It works with the carrier of your choice.

        Buy your iPhone from the Apple Online Store and choose your own GSM carrier. You can change carriers at any time."

        "It works internationally.

        Because this iPhone is SIM-free, you can purchase a micro-SIM or SIM card and service from a local carrier at your destination. Or check with your home carrier regarding international roaming charges."

        From the UK iPhone page http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone [apple.com]

        Its practically ORDERING me to beg my UK friends to send me an iPhone 4...

        Yes, the entire world knows the tragedy of the AT&T network, and it seems OBVIOUS that the iPhone deserves to be sold on more than one carrier in the USA, just like pretty much every other country in the world.

        But please, can we actually WAIT until this happens, instead of whispering overheard rumours?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by caerwyn (38056)

      They didn't have a choice in the matter. AT&T was the only one willing to let them do what they wanted with the phone, and without that freedom it wouldn't have been the iPhone. Now that it has completely changed the direction for smartphones, everyone's willing to play ball, but that exclusivity was almost a requirement early on.

    • How am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?

      I am a heavy data user, pretty using the iPhone constantly during the day and then also as I drive to pull up maps over the network from Waze.

      Yet, my usage almost never exceeds 200 MB(!) a month. How can this be so?

      Because most of the places I am at, have WiFi. If you have any WiFi around where you normally are, in fact it would be quite difficult to reach the 2GB cap.

      Also, other carriers are starting to put in caps

      • The problem with Wi-Fi is that where I am (suburbs) Wi-Fi from the local ISP is actually slower than a bar of 3G! It has lower latency than 3G of course but when it comes to download speeds your getting about 1-2 megabits per second from Wi-Fi and around 5-7 for 3G. Not to mention that Wi-Fi requires turning on yet another radio leading to worse battery life in a device that needs as much extra battery life as possible unless you do a mid-day charging.
    • by Rockoon (1252108)

      not to mention now bandwidth caps, how am I supposed to use Hulu's Iphone app if I only have 2GB of data to last me a month?

      What makes you think that Apple doesnt have a hand in these bandwidth caps?

      Apple doesnt want users to go to any HTML5-based alternatives that Apple doesnt get a cut from, for their music/etc. They were against Flash and now that the alternative is picking up some steam, the device cant even be used as a media outlet because of unreasonable caps.

      Coincidence? Just sayin'

      • by Wovel (964431)

        Lol, conspiracy much? AT&T was first because they are the only US carrier with Smartphones people actually use data on and they were getting buried.

  • by farble1670 (803356) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:33PM (#32737920)

    this will have less of an impact for verizon than people might think. in a year, android will be even more entrenched in their existing user base. for new users, there will be new android offerings that out-gear the iphone 4.

    • Um, my guess is that its going to have a huge impact for Verizon if they don't screw with the phones and castrate them like they've been known to do... Why would I use AT&T over Verizon? About the only thing is that AT&T's dumbphones are a bit less crippled than the stuff that Verizon sells and the iPhone, for all other smartphones Verizon is the clear winner, plus they actually have unlimited data and not a crappy 2 GB cap.
    • I don't know about that. Never underestimate the power of the Apple marketing department, and the perception of the iPhone seems to be (albeit horribly wrong) that no other smartphone is even comparable to the iPhone. I'd wager that for more than a few average users, Android was something that was a placeholder until they could get their hands on an iPhone. Then again, I'm fairly cynical as to the susceptibility of the average person to the inane "Apple's thing is great" hype.
      • I don't know about that. Never underestimate the power of the Apple marketing department

        Assuming that Verizon iPhone would make a big difference would be assuming that the Apple marketing department was insufficient to draw people to Apple + AT&T from Verizon.

        So, which side is underestimating Apple marketing?

  • The business insider [businessinsider.com] makes an interesting point:

    We wouldn't be surprised if this was Verizon's doing, in an attempt to get people to wait before upgrading to the iPhone 4 and extending their AT&T contracts another two years. The carrier has a history of leaked information during sensitive times for its competitors. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/verizon-iphone-coming-in-january-2010-6#ixzz0sHfifYxg [businessinsider.com]

    iPhone commercials advertise the ability to make calls and surf at the same time. AFAIK, you can't do that on Verizon's network.

    • Re:Verizon FUD? (Score:5, Informative)

      by EkriirkE (1075937) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:46PM (#32738086) Homepage
      Perhaps they are implementing this? http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp [cdg.org]

      A complementary device enhancement known as simultaneous 1X Voice and EV-DO Data (SVDO) will also become available during the same timeframe and will enable CDMA2000 devices to access EV-DO packet data services while in an active 1X circuit-switch voice call.

      • Perhaps they are implementing this? http://www.cdg.org/news/press/2009/Aug17_09.asp [cdg.org]

        A complementary device enhancement known as simultaneous 1X Voice and EV-DO Data (SVDO) will also become available during the same timeframe and will enable CDMA2000 devices to access EV-DO packet data services while in an active 1X circuit-switch voice call.

        So that is a simple upgrade then? Is it backwards compatible with existing devices? If you are going to upgrade every tower anyway, why not go with HSPA+/HSUPA and get near LTE speeds right now and be able to support the iPhone 4 and other existing handsets?

  • by fermion (181285)
    So maybe I slightly more reliable service, but I am going to nickel and dimed to death with minor charges, and if I die my loved ones are going to have an early termination fee. I am just an average person, with no PR department to make them reverse the charges. As bad as ATT is, at least my bills are very predictable.

    Then they still charge $30 for data. I only use 200 megabytes so why pay more than 15? And what is this crap about $45 is i check corporate email? I do check work email on my phone? If

  • Blame Verizon (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gig (78408) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:44PM (#32738058)

    > 'It's hard to ignore the quality issues that AT&T has faced.'"

    Even harder to ignore that Verizon's closed network only runs Verizon phones.

    If Verizon is building LTE then that can run iPhone 4G. Can't see a CDMA iPhone at this late stage. It's been end-of-lifed for quite some time. An iPhone 4G launch on Verizon is an event. Verizon and AT&T competing for iPhone users with the same handsets is an event.

  • by Kostya (1146) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:47PM (#32738100) Homepage Journal

    How can anyone post this when we have the exclusive deal confirmed? http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/confirmed-apple-and-atandt-signed-five-year-iphone-exclusivity-de/ [engadget.com]

    And the other is that the last time I checked, Verizon doesn't have GSM. Why would Apple manufacture two different devices, and one that can't be used in all the other world markets? I'm not trying to start a GSM/CDMA holy war, just acknowledging that Apple is doing just fine with AT&T and GSM. Why would they go through all that trouble just to get Verizon customers?

    Especially since Verizon seems to insist on branding all phones they offer--I don't see how Steve would accept that either.

    • by Rakishi (759894)

      Why would they go through all that trouble just to get Verizon customers?

      Because they want to sell more iphones and make even more money? I mean seriously, it's like asking why would Apple go through all the trouble of launching the iphone anywhere but the US. After all they could do quite well by just staying in the US.

    • There are plenty of phone manufacturers that make a GSM and a CDMA version of a the same phone. In fact, Samsung is doing just that with their upcoming Android offering, the Galaxy S (and they're planning to release versions of it on 5 of the top 6 US carriers [msn.com]). Did you not catch that there are over 92 million Verizon customers? Then there's also the Sprint, US Cellular, MetroPCS, Alltel et al CDMA carriers. Granted they're not AT&T or Verizon in size, but I'm willing to bet there's at least another 70

      • by Wovel (964431)

        Apple might be concerned about the market place confusion caused by having to sell two different models of phone. I am not sure how big an issue this really is, but it would be something Apple would consider.

        Part of the reason Apple is as profitable as they are is by keeping the product choices limited. They are far and away the most profitable handset manufacturer in the world. Even companies with 10x their volume do not come close to the total profit.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by moosesocks (264553)

        There are also phones that simultaneously do GSM and CDMA. My BlackBerry Tour works on Verizon's network, but can also roam onto just about any GSM network worldwide (and even has a Verizon SIM card, which is a bit of an oddity I suppose)

        The phone's a piece of shit otherwise, but it can indeed hop onto both networks, (and make incomprehensibly noisy phone calls, and achieve miserable speeds for its limited selection of worthless apps during its incredibly short battery life).

        That's my work phone. My perso

  • Uh huh. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Snap E Tom (128447) on Tuesday June 29, 2010 @06:58PM (#32738222)

    And 2011 will finally be the year of Linux on the desktop.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Locke2005 (849178)
      Close! With Android, 2011 will finally be the year of Linux on the cell phone. The forte for Linux is embedded applications and servers. Desktop users are already trained to use Windows, so it doesn't matter how much technically "better" another OS is.
  • Apple and AT&T have an exclusivity agreement until 2012 (insert end of the world jokes here). Steve has said more than once back in 2007 that this was so. Expect a Verizon phone announcement 2012, unless AT&T ponies up a huge amount of cash to redo the agreement. Apple won't end the agreement because I bet there is a huge money clause that says Apple will have to pay thru the nose if they break that agreement.

    This is from a business website, and I believe the last prediction which was that it wou

    • by Locke2005 (849178)
      I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I suspect they could break it very easily by not calling the new phone an "iPhone", or by offering it indirectly through another company, or by simply licensing the iPhone technology to other Cellular companies to manufacture their own phone, or...
      • by Lars T. (470328)

        I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I suspect they could break it very easily by not calling the new phone an "iPhone", or by offering it indirectly through another company, or by simply licensing the iPhone technology to other Cellular companies to manufacture their own phone, or...

        Errm, I doubt Apple would let go any control over their phone to get out of a contract with AT&T - I'm sure they have a clause in the contract that makes it much easier.

      • by Graff (532189)

        I'd like to see the text of the agreement. I suspect they could break it very easily by not calling the new phone an "iPhone"

        Yes, I'm sure that AT&T's lawyers were dumb enough not to close the "Name it the vPhone and we can get around the agreement!" loophole or any of the other loopholes you mentioned.

        Instead of assuming that AT&T hires stupid lawyers I think that it's more likely that the agreement between Apple and AT&T allows either company to break the contract by paying some sort of penalty. This is pretty standard between large corporations. Of course, it would have to be a large penalty so that the agreement c

  • These rumors have been around for how many years now? I bet Apple will just wait another year or so and then LTE-capable iPhone model will be born (iPhone 5 anyone?) which, OMG, really finally _will_ be Verizon capable.
    Sprint will be out of luck for a while due to different provisioning and absence of clear LTE rollout plans (WiMax is pretty much out of luck, and even Clear was saying something like "Well, we can switch to LTE if we really want to", so no iPhone support for WiMax)

  • Maybe announced in 2012, but Apple is on record in court filings related to a 2007 case over AT&T lock-in that AT&T has exclusivity to the iPhone until 2012 [cnn.com]

    I'm sure they could buy their way out, but why do that when they could just wait one more year and still sell a shit load of devices?

  • The iPhone seems to be on it's way to becoming a niche device in the long term unless something changes. Perhaps occupying a niche is exactly what Apple wants, some fans have commented that they believe this. If not, expanding to additional US carriers is the only way to compete with Android's quickly growing market share. We're already seeing saturation with over 75% of iPhone 4 purchasers being previous iPhone users (the highest repeat buyer rate of any iPhone release). Meanwhile Android is adding 160

    • by phillymjs (234426)

      We're already seeing saturation with over 75% of iPhone 4 purchasers being previous iPhone users (the highest repeat buyer rate of any iPhone release)

      Where does it say the iPhones being replaced will all go into the trash can?

      More likely they will be resold or given away and used by someone else, who may or may not already have an iPhone. Let's do some math. 1.7M new phones sold last weekend. 75% of that would be 1.275M upgraders who now possess a spare iPhone. Even if half of them DO just chuck out their o

      • by LodCrappo (705968)

        Android adds 640k users every four days. The number of used iphones going onto new contracts is not really significant. The ratio of new vs old customers compared to past devices is the important detail.

    • by mattack2 (1165421)

      Meanwhile Android is adding 160,000 new users a day, a rate that outpaces the rate of new iPhone users even during the iPhone 4 launch.

      "even during the iPhone 4 launch". Apple sold 1.7M in 3 days... So 566,666/day. So you're claiming that over 400,000 of those users are JUST upgrading an existing iPhone?
      [citation needed]

  • Hope the feds investigate these rumor-churns that seems to do nothing else but manipulate the price of Verizon's stock than actually - you know - result in an iPhone for Verizon. They've been putting out false flags for 3 years now.

    Only Madoff could run a game as long as Verizon is.
  • ...Apple will need to take a pay cut. Apple needs Verizon more than Verizon needs Apple )inorder to crush the Android competition). Verizon is doing very well with their Android phones, so hey don't need to pay the kings ransom that AT&T does for the iPhone. Without the iPhone, AT&T is nothing, and everyone knows it. Apple will want Verizon to pay the same kind of subsidies that AT&T is paying. Verizon is unlikely to comply. It doesn't make much business sense for them to abandon a popular

    • by jht (5006)

      No, Apple doesn't need Verizon. They need millions of people who are locked into the App Store ecosystem, and between the tens of millions of iPhones sold, the millions of iPod Touches, and the millions of iPads - they've got all that and more.

      And because of the App Store, virtually all of those users will stay yoked to their device and its upgrade path forever.

      Verizon's 92 million subscribers are tempting, and if all 92 million of them were going to get iPhones it would be compelling. But they aren't. M

  • It is much more likely that if Apple were to release an iPhone for Verizon that it would be an LTE device. It could then be a cornerstone for Verizon's new LTE network which is launching in late 2010/2011.

    CDMA is a dead-end, there aren't any new rollouts and the existing carriers are all abandoning it for GSM/UMTS/LTE networks.

    So, the question is - is there enough business on Verizon to interest Apple enough to work with a dead-end radio?

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