iMac Factory Burns 115
BobRainGod wrote
in to tell us that a fire has apparently wasted Apple's
Mexican production plant, and stunted iMac production.
No this doesn't have anything to do with the APSL.
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check the date (Score:1)
glad nobody was hurt. (Score:1)
few years, some people died (smoke inhalation,burned) in that one.
the point is not to destroy government, or destroy corporations..
its to make sure that the people who work for these entities
have control over their own lives. 'big brother' is in any form of one person controlling another,
and abuse of power is inherent in human nature.
for instance, companies like apple do not care if factories burn down. they can just switch production to another factory and build
another dump in mexico in the meantime. they will still get a profit for the quarter/year, and that's their job.
they dont care about pollution, wages, rights, etc. nor are they supposed to. they have no responsibility to. so basically, its apples fault that the factory burned down, but its not a big deal to them.
Misinformation (Score:1)
With that all said, I am discusted by some of the reactions to this article! Fires are no joke, thank god no one was hurt. I know only a vocal minority is being so bad, but it's also no way to interest people in open source. And while I'm on that topic, let me assure you all that Apple is really interested in refining the APSL to make people more comfortable with it. But that's for a different thread...
Why this wont be much of a setback... (Score:2)
If the rumors are to be believed, the current iMac is to be discontinued soon with a new model (code named "8-ball") to replace it.
heh (Score:1)
Sucks for Apple (Score:1)
And it has a floppy drive.
Sucks for Apple - no floppy? (Score:1)
That's where I think Apple missed its target with the iMac, actually... people like me don't need floppies and can put that integrated ethernet to good use, but we won't be happy with the lack of RAM, the underpowered CPU (yes, I know the G3's a good chip... the iMac's is the runt of the litter, though), or the lack of expandability. People like my sister don't need a screaming CPU or a lot of RAM, but they need that floppy drive, and don't have a use for the ethernet card (but have to pay for it anyway) - and the monitor is too small any way you figure it.
The one place I can think of that they're really suited for is schools, which tend to be short on competent computer help and for whom LANs are practical, and which have always been one of Apple's strongholds (though, unfortunately for Apple, brainwashing 'em early hasn't worked on most kids
8ball=best computer ever!!! (Score:1)
Oh my god,
A 17 inch monitor, AND a DVD Player?
When will the PC world Catch up to those trailblazers at Apple? Next thing you know, they'll put floppys on the things!
*Sarcasm included*
Apple in trouble? (Score:1)
Layoffs? Plant closings? Have iMac sales tanked or something? Or would this have to do with the (I presume) enticing cheap wages they pay at the LG Electronics plant in Mexicali? And what was the cause of that fire, anyway? Substandard wiring? Shoddily-constructed factory?
Inquiring minds want to know :)
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Bullshit happens. (Score:1)
It's not like they're the only ones doing it.
And damn that Mexican gov't for not forcing the people to protect themselves!
It's more like corporations doing the forcing. The Mexican government wants low wages and weak unions and minimal regulation, so they can keep the likes of GM and LG happy. How would you like it if corporations were able to dictate policy in your country?
Seriously, don't be so protectionist and paternalistic.
Protectionist? It's not like I live in Cork -- or Ireland, for that matter. Paternalistic? Since when is it paternalistic to give a damn about people? Where I come from that's called compassion. If you worked for cents an hour, would you be happy about it? Would you piss on "paternalistic" do-gooders?
Call all the little names you want, but what we have here is rent-a-slave, and we've both got a piece of that timeshare. We benefit from it, but when it comes time to acknowledge it, we drag out the old FUD. If the workers in Mexico have such a good thing going, why do so many of them end up in the US?
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Bullshit happens. (Score:1)
That's bullshit, too. You go see what kind of housing you can get on what they make. Then try to live in it. You go see what culinary delights are on offer with the money you have left for food. Then tell me how great it is. Cost of living arguments are bullshit -- do those workers in Mexicali do the same work as the iMac workers in Ireland and California? Shouldn't they be able to enjoy the same material benefits that those Irish and Californian workers do?
Stop trying to rationalize slavery. Just because slaves in the US got room and board, it doesn't mean they were all that pleased with it. I seriously doubt your "cost of living" arguments were used in the 18th and 19th century.
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Not good enough. (Score:1)
It's not just Apple, it's other corporations. It's also the US government, which doesn't raise a fuss. It's also you and me, since the US government is comprised of our elected representatives, and because we tend to see places like Mexico as "investment opportunities" rather than as nations with people, people with the same dreams and desires as you or me. Our hands are dirty too, with every purchase and with every vote and with every letter we fail to send to our elected officials and every piece of legislation that serves to enhance or reinforce this state of affairs. It's also the media, since they tend to report consumer news, business news, or financial news, but no real economic news of substance other than what relates to consumer/business/financial matters; that ignores some weighty issues -- though it ensures that advertisers like Nike, Apple, and GM will keep those ad dollars coming. It's a shame that more mainstream-media coverage of Nike's labor practices has come from sportswriters than from "serious" mainstream journalists.
My original posting was meant to oppose the idea that people should be paid more than market value merely because they have less than others. Clearly, there are other issues, and the fact that Apple (and any other company) takes part in employing people who are partly enslaved is a serious problem.
It's more than a problem. It's literally a sin, from the standpoint of my religious tradition, and sin (especially on a mass scale like this) has its consequences. (I don't mean to go into bible-thumping mode here; I'm just stating the origins of my ranting -- this isn't a plea for you to go to church or to vote for this or that political party).
I'm all for opening up the borders. Let the immigrants come here for the honest living, not the handouts.
Here we go again. Back to blaming the victim. It's not the "handouts". Everyone comes here for an honest living, but there aren't enough jobs to go around, partly because some of those jobs are farmed off to the Third World -- it's a vicious cycle. I don't begrudge them taking those "handouts" as a consolation prize -- it's a much sweeter deal than they would have gotten back home, though people like you seem to think it's a mountain of money. I've never met a Mexican or Central American immigrant (or illegal) who wasn't a work-your-ass-off sort of person. For that matter, I've only met a handful of American-born "handout" recipients who weren't equally as industrious, and I don't think their bad attitudes grew in some sort of ghetto vacuum; society at large has helped add some fertilizer over the generations.
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Not understood enough. (Score:1)
But OPM pays for roads and schools and such -- things that profit the few or the many, depending on context. Surely you see the benefit -- beyond profit and loss -- of an educated populace or a sane commute to work. "Handouts" also flow through the economy by paying rents and buying goods (things like food and clothing, for instance) that otherwise wouldn't be bought. I find the notion of "good" subsidies and "bad" ones to be often in the eye of the beholder; unfortunately, the richer recipients usually get off scott-free (due to voter apathy), while the poorer ones get demonized. A culture that is willfully God-less still seems to want to finger a Satan and a legion of devils.
But my original point was about the free flow of immigration, as with the capital that leaves the West and goes to Third World factories. If immigration were that free, we'd have millions of Central Americans crossing the border within a year, plus Boat People from the Caribbean -- one of the consequences of letting people really seek a decent wage. In that scenario, you and I don't get to decide who is a "worthy" immigrant, just as we don't get to decide whether or not the movement of that capital is a net gain for our communities. And the government has to pay for such consequences as the vast majority of these hypothetical immigrants not being able to find immediate work. You didn't get that part of my question. In the real world, we allow anarchy and chaos in one direction and not the other.
That's one of the invisible things we pay for in the free lunch of cheap labor. Bailouts of foreign economies that never really seem to benefit anyone but the banks, foreign pols, and bondholders -- though OPM is used for those that. If not for those handouts, we might have had a domestic bank failure or two; we'd certainly have implosions in Third World economies, with a long-term loss in exports. There's a lot more, but I gotta go back and ruin^H^H^H^Hedit some code :)
Just keep in mind that we're dealing with an ecosystem here, not the Wild Wild West fantasy of those who would equate most taxation with theft. It's a corrupt ecosystem these days, but the poor people in Mexicali, Moscow, Malaysia, and Minneapolis are the last ones we should tee off on; they're often the ones who take the biggest beating. In a global economy, we all live in the same neighborhood, and Americans will eventually find that out when Brazil and Korea sneeze and Peoria gets a belated and persistent cold. We'll blame the usual devils for it, but we'll be the real culprits.
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Not understood enough. (Score:1)
Social Darwinism. I'll trust you to be fair and consistent and also advocate zero subsidies for failed savings and loans, failed derivatives trades, and failed Third World loans -- often the result of an irresponsibility far worse than that of any ghetto-dwelling caricature. In practice, that sort of fairness hasn't happened; while there have been scattered cases of babies dying as a result of reduced subsidies for "welfare mothers" (I promise you that I'm not being hysterical when I say that; the combination of cuts and increased red tape has made it hard to get proper nutrition and medical care in some locales), there's still the mantra of "too big to fail" when it comes to derivatives snafus and bad Eastern European and Third World debt.
We would NOT "certainly have implosions in third world countries" without IMF bailouts.
I think places like Jamaica would have gone nuts; however horrible the IMF "cure" was, it more or less worked in those days. Paraguay isn't looking so good these days; maybe they're "too small to count". But I wasn't referring to the IMF -- I meant the taxpayer-funded bailouts of banks that invested (and lost) in the Third World. I think those are two separate issues, though I could be wrong.
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Not understood enough. (Score:1)
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Bullshit happens. (Score:2)
I think the fact that they get paid a hell of a lot less for doing the same work as their US/EU counterparts has nothing to do with their "rights" to anything. I'm not arguing for their rights, I'm just arguing about our complicity in their "less than human" status. They, in practice, don't have a right to pursue a quality of life on the scale of people in El Norte. And if they tried, via collective bargaining or petitioning their political leaders, they'd be slapped down faster than a CPU cycle.
Slavery is not the same as cheap labor. Slavery is forced employment. People who work for cheap wages do so because they have no other employment alternative, usually because they either don't have the skills, or they live under the heavy hand of an oppressive gov't (the latter often contributing to the former).
Of course, in this case the "oppressive gov't" (i.e. de Mexico) has a hand in making LG an attractive proposition to Apple, by offering policies (or, rather, non-policies) that would be the envy of those who find the US government "oppressive". Your defense essentially just blames the victim. The people at the LG plant have skills, the very same ones utilized at the plants in Cork and Sacramento. Yet they're paid a small fraction of the wage. They're hemmed in as surely as any old-style slave, though they won't be hunted down or shot for leaving -- they would only receive punishment if they tried to assert themselves on the "plantation".
And there's no quick fix (e.g., minimum wage) to the problem.
I'm not asking for a quick fix. I'm just asking for the same "fix" that you or I would get.
Basically, we're all getting a free lunch out of this. But we pay in other ways. Blow it off if you want to. I don't want, henceforth, to see your name attached to whining about "gov't this" and "gov't that" when the problem at hand can probably be traced to the guy staring at you in the mirror. Can we also safely assume your defense of the rights of Mexican workers to come to the US by any means necessary in order to seek an "employment alternative"? If manufacturing capital is free to roam across borders in search of a free lunch, why shouldn't its victims be able to freely cross borders in search of a decent wage? Shall we petition the INS to bring down the fences and call off the dogs, then?
It's amazing that this "Christian nation" that puts "In God We Trust" on its currency and inserts "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and has a chaplain begin each Senate session would conveniently ignore Matthew 7:12 just to make or save a couple of bucks.
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What about the rumour? (Score:1)
Burning Apple Logo (Score:1)
http://members.xoom.com/zonk3r/oldpage/apple.gi
and my webpage is at the bottom here:
Apple, Disasters, & Production (Score:2)
To those scum who would consider this disaster a good thing --- don't forget that Apple, like any other company, carries insurance. This is only a blip in the upward-curving MacOS trend.
(We could really do far worse than to have MacOS X dominate the user desktop and Linux the server. KDE and Gnome have a lot of catching up to do
baked apple with cinamon.. hmm... (Score:1)
Does anyone know in how many aspects a European i-Mac differs from the U.S. version?
Thats what happens. (Score:1)
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As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
Really? (Score:1)
USB for hard drive? (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
Apple in trouble? (Score:1)
Since Apple didn't have other manufacturing needs (and because it suited their cost-cutting frenzy quite nicelly), they decided to close the Cork factory.
There was an open letter, last week, from a Cork employee called "Put a Cork in it, Apple!" wich was a good read. Look it up for details.
iMac=AMC Pacer of computers (Score:1)
Wah! So many negative people =( (Score:1)
The main rub with the user-base is that most of them don't know what the other OS's can do and that other systems are superior or equivalent in many ways. This can be said for huge devotees of every OS, but the Mac has a more vocal and loyal base than any other platform.
I wish everybody could ease up on things and realize that different systems fit the need of very different people. Quit bashing already.
Wah! So many negative people =( (Score:1)
Of course most Linux users would say "I love my linux because it works and I don't have to spend all fucking day on my job because it does things one at a time..oops...force quit on Netscape... oops no protected memory I guess I'll have to reboot again
You see my friend, it's all relative.
what's with all the hate? (Score:1)
(sheesh - if gates, allen and ballmer dropped a ton of bricks on y'all and jobs dropped a pebble you'd blame apple)
Oh come now (Score:1)
water damage (Score:1)
McPinball? (Score:1)
(Eight Ball Deluxe used to be this great Pinball game -- for PC's)
OUCH! Coupled with low supplies in warehouse. (Score:1)
There isn't much of a buffer for this. This is a new contractor for Apple, so hopefully the other builders can keep up...
hmmm, redundancy... (Score:1)
> caused even more damage.
right. You probably have a NIC card and use the cddb database.
burn baby burn (Score:1)
Wah! So many negative people =( NOT! (Score:1)
Please ease up on the persecution complex.
iMac delays vs. no income for a month -- folks... (Score:1)
Got no mention in the article, but seems like the bigger tragedy to me...
-couvares
Thats what happens. (Score:1)
And damn that Mexican gov't for not forcing the people to protect themselves! Apple, or any company for that matter, certainly isn't smart enough to think about protecting itself against the threat of fire. If it weren't for gov't regulations, we'd all be pulling out guns and shooting ourselves in the feet all day long. Thank you, big brother.
That's sarcasm, if you didn't notice. Seriously, don't be so protectionist and paternalistic. It isn't good for anyone.
Bullshit happens. (Score:1)
Actually, no. They should have the right to pursue a quality of life, but no one has the right to HAVE a quality of life. The same argument goes for all the entitlement programs of the US gov't. Arguing that everyone deserves a particular material thing shows a lack of understanding of basic economics, as well as an unconscious belief in slavery (slavery of the productive).
Slavery is not the same as cheap labor. Slavery is forced employment. People who work for cheap wages do so because they have no other employment alternative, usually because they either don't have the skills, or they live under the heavy hand of an oppressive gov't (the latter often contributing to the former). And there's no quick fix (e.g., minimum wage) to the problem.
Bullshit happens. (Score:1)
I'm all for opening up the borders. Let the immigrants come here for the honest living, not the handouts.
Not understood enough. (Score:1)
Regarding sin -- I'm not religious. But I do believe in absolutes and morals. I require rational arguments, not faithful ones. I don't mind rants, as long as there's a mind behind it.
"People like me?" I didn't say I think the handouts are a mountain of money. They aren't. But I do see them as dangerous, no matter how big they are or what they pay for, because they grow like a cancer, taking away more and more of the wealth of honest, productive people over time. And the middlemen in charge of it all (the politicians and their "friends") ARE getting a mountain of money. It's a corrupt system, and it will continue to grow until more people wake up and start opposing the confiscation of their property.
Not understood enough. (Score:1)
I believe in zero subsidies. Subsidies are inherently corrupt because there is a broken feedback loop from the producer (of money) and the spender. A stable system requires strong feedback. Roads, schools, etc. are quite possible without subsidies. I think that fact is glaringly obvious in the case of the public schools nowadays.
You beg the question when you say that the gov't has to find work for immigrants who can't find it themselves. Free flow of immigrants would create a demand for businesses that find work for people. The private sector can handle it just fine, as long as the gov't doesn't provide a "free" solution (which would damage the market for such businesses).
We would NOT "certainly have implosions in third world countries" without IMF bailouts. The IMF is contributing to the problem, not solving it. Once again, OPM corrupts. Taxation, actually. Taxation creates a commons of wealth, which results in overspending and overconsuming in the long run. Taxation IS a form of theft when you consider how much power a single person has over his money that is taken in taxes.
One difference between the Wild West and modern times is the (near) lack of gov't subsidies back then. But this isn't what makes modern times more civilized. Subsidies do not equate with civilization. The real difference is the organization now and the lack of it back then. Organization and establishment of laws and ways of dealing with criminals. In other words, avoidance of the prisoner's dilemma among people who are exploring new territory and are therefore sparsely populated and constantly encountering new and different people whose philosophies and intentions aren't known. That's what made it the "Wild" West. Nothing to do with subsidies.
I guess I had more time than I thought.
Not understood enough. (Score:1)
Why did the S&L's fail? I guarantee the gov't had something to do with it. If I recall, I believe they were insured by the gov't. If they had been private insurance companies with profits in mind, it wouldn't have happened. But since the gov't isn't a business, kaplooie. Many of the problems people state as needing to be solved by the gov't were caused by the gov't in the first place.
Pumping increasingly more money into subsidies to "solve" problems only delays the inevitable crash. And the longer you wait, the harder they crash.
Not understood enough. (Score:1)
Hmmm... (Score:1)
"iMacs are supposed to blow up at customer's home ONLY"
Wah! So many negative people =( (Score:2)
Compare the relative level of arrogance of the Mac user base with the Linux user base. Oops!
(Of course most Mac users would say "I like my Mac because it just works and I don't have to spend all day munging plug n play or reading technical documentation.", where as most Linux users would say "I like my Linux box because it has a distributed display protocol system and when that locks up I can telnet in from another computer to a fully programmable command environment in order to restart the display system without affecting my uptime statistics.")
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Bullshit happens. (Score:1)
Protectionist? It's not like I live in Cork -- or Ireland, for that matter. Paternalistic? Since when is it paternalistic to give a damn about people?
Damn right. I live in Ireland and a friends father has been hauling Apple machines around Ireland since Apple opened in Cork. He got his marching orders last week. It makes me sick. Apple have taken SO much from the Irish government and lets face it - they were only here for the cheap labour/government handouts in the first place.
This is just too easy... (Score:1)
"I always knew they ran a little hot.
"See where overclocking will get you?!?!
"I accept no responsibility for Apples inability to innovate in such a competitive market - B.G.
"Smoke colored iMacs for subtle yet distinct CEO offices.
"They're selling like hot-cakes, and they smell a bit like'em too...
Thank you, thank you.. I'm here all week.
Obviously a PowerBook 5300 (Score:1)
How disuade potential Linux users (Score:1)
Smugness is hardly an attribute suitable for a movement in need of as much help as this one does.
New addition to colors...Charred Black and Brown! (Score:1)
Apple in trouble? (Score:1)
Apple has signed a 5 year, billion dollar, contract with LG Electronics for them to produce *all* iMacs.
They will be made in Mexico, Asia and Europe (all cheaper than Apple's facilities)
Apple hasn't really layed anyone off. They hired thousands of "temp" workers before the iMac introduction at the Cork, California, and Singapore plants. Now that they don't make iMacs they don't need those workers so they are all being released.
Unfortunately, there is a nasty *rumor* that they will close production completely at Cork. I don't see what benefit would come of this since Cork manufactures most of the PowerMacs and PowerBooks for the European market and shipping those machines from the US or Singapore would seem more expensive.
Time will tell. As for the fire. AppleInsider said that the Mac production plant wasn't severely damaged by the fire but rather by the water used to put it out. They didn't say what started it.
Persecution? (Score:1)
I was just commenting on the fact that at 8:40 this morning or so, with about 30 comments, a lot were speaking as if how Apple deserved this, this is karma, fate, justice, or how this just shows the universe knows what it's doing.
Now that I check again, my comment has been scored up above most of the negativity, and with more people reading positive comments, there are less negatives too...
AS
Wah! So many negative people =( (Score:2)
They are as much a legitimate competitor, innovator, and supplier of PCs as Intel, Alpha, IBM, M$, etc., though I guess enemies of each firm would pop out if a disaster struck any of them...
It's not as if Apple has some overwhelming market share, and is pushing profit-oriented market decisions on us, or is taking advantage of its market share to push into other markets.
Perhaps people are upset that Apple doesn't exactly target the geeky crowd... or that Apple is too trendy, or something. Whatever happened to rooting for the underdog and being anti-establishment? As pompous or arrogant as Apple is sometimes, they really are in the position of underdog... and they do have a good chance to fight their way back into greater relevance.
It's not even as if Apple isn't useful or hasn't innovated in the market. If I am not mistaken, they still are unprecedented for the level of support they offer for desktop publishing, what with hardware level color pre-press technology, software and OS level support for color calibration among monitors, computers, printers, scanners, etc., even as PCs are just catching up. Likewise they introduced the market to high performance subsystems with SCSI, compared to the PC's IDE/EIDE, or high color graphics vs 256 color, and simple peripheral hookup, though today a PC has access to all of them, and the PC OS of the averaged desktop, Win9x, has effectively caught up and surpassed the Mac OS. Though it was saddled with the Win3x series for the longest time.
Perhaps I'm biased too, because Apple comes from my hometown, but they are still pushing innovation, at the risk of failure. See the Newton, a few years back? Its a shame they halted development on it. Or FireWire, today, to replace/supplement any host of slower more expensive connections? Or, and this is a big gamble, a stable, Unix based, consumer grade, competative OS?
Ah well, c'est la vie, or something like that.
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Poetic Justice... (Score:1)
Sucks for Apple (Score:1)
Oh well, just gimmie my K7 (unless Mac OS X is scheduled to take over the consumer market by then).
Sucks for Apple (Score:1)
I am a Mac User (Score:1)
I admit, I don't get religious over source code licensing; I use Linux because it makes a first-rate server machine. However, several months of doing Real Work on a Mac was enough to convert me. It's a lousy platform for tinkering, but unbeatable for actually doing work. The interface is light years ahead of KDE, Windowmaker, or anything else that Linux has.
When I can get the MacOS interface with the stability of Unix, with bash and friends thrown in, I'm buying it. (Unless it costs $500.) Which means I'm buying MacOS X Desktop and a Mac to coexist with the Linux box in the closet.
The Gimp, Gnome, StarOffice, etc. are not going to be a real competitor to something as polished and well-thought-out as the MacOS with Photoshop, Illustrator, and Word. I'll let Linux do what it's good at: being a server. And I'll keep a Mac on my desk.
I agree! (Score:1)
I enjoy watching Apple's climb back out of the grave that Wall Street prematurely dug. Hopefully the situation in Mexico will not be a major set back for the company.
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Glad to hear it (Score:1)
I think most people got out hand.
Remember, if everyone starts using Linux, you're no longer special.
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I am a Mac User (Score:1)
If this is the support community that Linux users are so proud of, I'm sorry, but it certainly takes some of the steam out of my excitment for this platform.
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Burning Apple Logo (Score:1)
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8ball=best computer ever!!! (Score:1)
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Rumor has it (Score:1)
As for working, I've worked on both the Windows and Mac platforms with programs such as Photoshop and Director. I can get my work done a lot faster on a Mac.
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MacOS X Server (Score:1)
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Sucks for Apple ? CISC or RISC ? (Score:1)
There is more instructions on a ppc than on a pentium.
That the P2 has 5 execution(int) units, a faster L2 cache, that the ppc doesn't have.(but the normal x86 instructions translate to one or two smaller ones)
The ppc has 3 eu(int), but a bigger l1 cache.
The benchmark using enhanced drivers (mmx, 3d-now) are working way better than unenhanced drivers.
The CISC term can't be applied to the P2, or say it's a RISC processor running CISC code. (although that's more like the K6-2)
It's seems to me that since cpus with more instructions tends to increase, I think that the CISC concept is not that bad. (the ppc has more instructions)
Sucks for Apple (Score:1)
The imac is a 900.00 computer that a. has built in monitor, a G3 CPU, 32 Megs of Ram, USB Bus, 10/100 Base T network card, 56k Modem, and a 2-6 gig hard drive..
you cant beat that in ANY OEM/FULL pc.. even e machines don't come with a monitor/keyboard/mouse/soundcard/networkcard and a software package for that price..
come on people, wake up and smell the coffee.. if you gonna diss cheasy hardware then Don't buy compaq, don't by HP and don't by Packard Bell because THEY ARE THE ONES USING SHITTY HARDWARE, by far Mac G3's and iMACS are FAR SUPURB to any 900-1000.00 pc you could ever buy at the store..
its HP using crapy softmodems and softsound cards and single slot upgrade motherboards (one free pci slot) its Compaq using Crappy motherboards and different cpu's on every box they deliver, its packard bell never building a good system
sure the lil green imacs don't have much to upgrade, but atleast its a standard.. need a new hard drive, you got the usb port, need another floppy or a zip disk, use the usb port..
but if you going for a workstation or graphics box the imac wasn't built for that.. otherwise for your price and the product behind it you can't beat it at all.
and thats the truth!
my next pc will be an imac!
Sucks for Apple (Score:1)
Sucks for Apple (Score:1)
Plant didn't burn (Score:1)
I like redundancy.... (Score:1)
Bullshit happens. (Score:1)
More than 20 million mexicans live in extreme poverty.
Like, heh, heh (Score:1)
*ahem*
What I mean is...
-Bill Gates
CEO, Microsoft
"Responsibility for my career? I'm just a freakin' phone monkey!"
Sucks for Apple (Score:2)
BTW - Bill Gates wasn't seen in the area with a can of gas, was he?
Plant didn't burn - Yeah right! (Score:1)
and hey braniac, how does a fire at an LG plant and a bit of outsourcing make Apple suck?