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Yellow Dog Linux Released 54

Posted by Hemos from the new-g3-for-me dept.
bondo writes "Yellow Dog Linux, the new G3 Linux distribution is now accepting orders at www.yellowdoglinux.com. " Head over to check it out.
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  • I don't know about the G3 (I run LinuxPPC R4 on a PowerTower Pro 225 mac clone) but it seems relatively speedy compared to its Pentium counterparts.

    However, that's just processing power. The video seems to suffer somewhat, presumedly due to the lack of any kind of acceleration. I really don't know (most of my Linux experience is on the PPC).

    Still, it has come a long way in the last year or so - kudos to the LinuxPPC people who are doing the lions share of the work (mklinux and yellow dog are cool too for simply existing, though!).



    - Darchmare
    - Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net

  • how does this compare to PC linux? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Does the Mac linux get a bunch of extra processing done from the g3 architecture?
  • mkLinux actually does have a Linux kernel AFAIK, It runs that kernel on top of Mach. Basically it makes the linux kernel into a wrapper.
  • Well, since I wanted to support free software anyway...
    What's wrong with free software? It runs on Macs, and they already _have_ what you list, for the most part. Isn't it _good_ to start using Linux and embrace the whole free software movement? What's so useful about using linux to run proprietary x86 binaries? Can't you use Windows for that?
  • GOOD ONE!!! ;-D

  • Good (Score:2)

    by Anonymous Coward
    This is good to see. It's also good to see Apple promoting Yellow Dog LINUX on their website.

    Perhaps Yellow Dog will become the Redhat of the G3 PowerMAC's. (now there's a contentious statement--is that a good or bad thing?) I'd have to say that even their packaging appears to appeal to the artistic side in typical Mac customers.

    Now it remains to be seen what this "Yellow Dog Desktop" looks like. Couldn't they have used KDE or Gnome or something? Perhaps it's a MAC-ish desktop?
  • I really have to protest what they say on their "diffs" faq-- LinuxPPC does come with support from LinuxPPC Inc.

    It's with EVERY CD we sell.

    Plus, people can buy support from LinuxCare.

    Nice FUD, YDL.
  • >I've often thought the solution to this is make a compiler that compiles into a pseudo machine code, which then would be compiled to a binary. This
    would NOT be java, which is a stack based virtual chip.

    Obfuscating the source does pretty much the same thing. Either way it sucks.

    Loki Games WILL be releasing a patch for running Civ3 on LinuxPPC... it's rather trivial I am told. They could do the same with Quake at Id if they want... it's the "media" or WAD files that you're buying... and iD realized this long ago when they first supported Linux. Same thing with linuxPPC homefully.. :-?
  • Umm. no. :)

    Think Lab. This distro comes from the fresh mountain springs of Colorado.
  • win95/winNT-client/winNT-server ? How about psychotomy?

  • One of the pages on the site says that FTP download will be available "soon".
  • ---
    1000x2000 pixel background picture? Clearly, these are Macintosh people.
    ---

    Isn't it great? ;>

    Seriously though, I thought the page was okay but not terribly attractive. They may be Mac people, but most Mac people can design better sites than that.

    (I know, I know, promoting computing stereotypes, blah blah blah). :>


    - Darchmare
    - Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
  • So, all you droolers who want Linux to be happening on PPC, you gotta be aggressive. Email these publishers and hound them for a PPC version. Now we have three distros, Linux is well established on this platform. We have to put on the pressure or we'll fall by the wayside. It's ridiculous that even as Linux presents an alternative to Micosoft, our hardware choices should be limited to what Windows runs on.

    After setting up my first PC running Linux, I am all the more thankful about the IRQ crap I didn't have to go through on Apple hardware. Could the coming-of-age of Linux spark a move toward better hardware? Damn straight it could. Big software publishers(even Microsoft) haven't been this malleable and open to change in a long time, let's not drop the ball. Kick butt!
  • >I think I like this idea, making a distro specifically for the
    >home user. But then I think about it some more, and I like the fact
    >that your standard Linux distro does whatever you want it to.

    Well, yes -- but the point is that the standard Linux user can't do whatever they want to. And doesn't want to have the choice.

    As long as there is a commoditization of Linux from a kernel standpoint, the individual distributions must achieve some kind of unique quality to survive. And if Linux is to continue growing at an appreciable rate, it has to move beyond the sysadmin/engineer/geek market.

    Don't force every distribution to be identical.
  • Posted by OGL:

    Oh yeah, I forgot to add (insert Homer Simpson drooling sound here).

  • d/l (Score:1)

    by Detroit ( 165885 )
    yeah. Where is their download? This IS linux, isn't it?

    d

    "I'll whip your pretty little dog with my GNUattorney!"
  • Note that while the distribution supports iMacs, they state that their installer does not work, but an update will be "available soon."

    Check out their list of supported hardware [yellowdoglinux.com] for more details.
  • Posted by OGL:

    ...I REALLY want one of those 400mhz G3 towers. Running Linux on my desktop...

    -W.W.
  • The more the merrier. What I like about this distro is that it works to cement Linux on Apple. Very cool.
  • Fortunately all i need is linux - i've got the 400MHz G3 (waiting on my extra 128mb dimm).

    boy i just can't wait til i have macos, macosxserver and linux all on my box. (which is blindingly fast btw - for instance the mp3 encode time to play time ratio is 0.5 : 1)

    Woo Hoo!
  • If the mkLinux kernel is based on the Open Group's Mach microkernel, shouldn't it be called mkMach or GNU/mkMach since it's the Linux kernel that makes up GNU/Linux?

    F.O.Dobbs
  • I assume you're talking about http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/s upport/faq_diff.html [yellowdoglinux.com], right?

    Where does YDL say that LinuxPPC Inc. doesn't supply support with their distro? I don't see it. They specify six differences between the two companies/distros, and their assertions all seem right and proper. Am I missing something?

    But one thing that does bother me about this page is their confusion of LinuxPPC the distro and LinuxPPC Inc. the company. ("Yellow Dog Linux, like LinuxPPC, Inc., uses the LinuxPPC kernel...").

    --Tom Geller

  • Posted by Rahikainen:

    FUD or not, LinuxPPC doesn't have anything to support, except outdated product. So, logically, YDL is correct.

    Don't get me wrong. I waited, erm, a dog's age for LinuxPPC to release R5. I got bored.

    It appears that the profit motive has its place.
  • > Perhaps Yellow Dog will become the Redhat of the G3 PowerMAC's

    I pray that no one comes up with a Blue Daemon BSD! :-)

  • 1000x2000 pixel background picture? Clearly, these are Macintosh people.
  • As I recall, LinuxPPC runs on virtually every non-Mac PPC computer. Of course, you'd want to look into this. But I think it even runs on the old BeBoxen. Of course, I don't know where you'd buy a non-Mac PPC computer... but then there are an awful lot of things I don't know.

  • Couple things. (Score:3)

    by Booker ( 6173 ) on Wednesday March 31, 1999 @05:25PM (#1954426) Homepage
    1) Where's the download? I'm curious to see what's in the distribution.

    2) I noticed their "Gone Home" distribution - designed "specifically for home use." I think I like this idea, making a distro specifically for the home user. But then I think about it some more, and I like the fact that your standard Linux distro does whatever you want it to. ("It's a server!" *smack* "It's a client" *smack* "It's a server!" - sorry, Chinatown flashbacks...)

    I guess I'd rather see an install that gracefully handles a home user or a commercial/power user. I'd be disappointed to see anything start a win95/winNT-client/winNT-server type dichotomy (trichotomy?) in the Linux distros. Of course, you can add whatever capabilities you want after the install, so I suppose it's no biggie.
  • Why? LinuxPPC has been around for a while now, I don't see how "Yellow Dog Linux" is going to make them any more worried than they might be already...
  • might have the people over at apple a little worried about their precious server OS.
  • 400 Mhz G3 tower... Running OS8.5 now, it is so damn fast it's not even funny. I'm getting a trial copy of OSX Server, never tried a mac Linux yet, I'm a bit worried about not being able to run bianary stuff ( StarOffice, Word Perfect, other things I need...)
  • On the supported hardware, it even looks like they are doing a separate distribution for the iMac, which isn't ready yet.
  • I don't think Apple is really worried about that. Really, the only thing that they are pushing OS X Server for is the netboot capability. Since Yellow Dog Linux does not have the software for netbooting iMacs and G3s, I don't think they really care. Remember: Apple receives most of their profits from hardware sales. They may be using Linux as a stepping stone to help get people used to their upcoming BSD UNIX based OS.

    -Sol
  • linuxppc v yellowdog:

    http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/s upport/faq_diff.html [yellowdoglinux.com]

    the only thing i'd like to add is that the current version of linuxppc, R4, is glibc1 based whereas YDL is glibc2. hopefully, linuxppc will get their act together now and put out R5 which will have glibc2 stuff.

    -l

  • how does this compare to PC linux? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Han: Chewie here tells me you're looking for passage to the Linux system.

    Ben: Yes, indeed. If it's a fast chip.

    Han: Fast chip? You've never heard of the PowerPC G3?

    Ben: Should I have?

    Han: It's the chip that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

    Ben: d00d!!!! That'd make a rad Be0wu1f cluster!!!!!
  • OSX is not targeted at the desktop market (notice how there's been NO word about the blue box which runs all current mac apps?), nor is it aimed at the technical server market. Apple isn't stupid, they know if they tried to throw OSX Server against something like Linux, Solaris, NT Server, whatever, it would fail. It is targeted at their core markets - education and desktop publishing. And it will sell there. We just ordered several new G3's with OS X to run public mac labs, because with the new netboot capabilites, it it unbelieably efficient and capable for running a network. It's not competing with linux, although I think it has the balls to.

  • KDE (Score:1)

    by W84thend ( 3549 )
    boot from CD into KDE. Pdisk and install from KDE.
  • While I wonder what it provides over LinuxPPC, it looks to be a Linux distro designed for MacOS users who want more things "pre-configured".

    I guess it's a good alternative to Mac OS X Server in some ways (price! :)
  • Hee hee... page looked fine to ME! :-D

    Lest I be OT... I *am* looking forward to this distro. I would like to try it out, but there doesn't look like there's any FTP site to download it. Hmm... I'll have to wait for the next MacWorld and just try the LinuxPPC version. :-/

    Is YDL just not redistributable?? Or they have no bandwidth. Ideally I'd need an .ISO or 600 meg stuffit file to build an HFS CD on my work PC (T1!)..

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