Apple Opens Manufacturing Academy in Detroit (cnbc.com) 37
schwit1 writes: The Apple Manufacturing Academy will be located in downtown Detroit and will be administered by Michigan State University.
The academy will offer workshops on manufacturing and artificial intelligence to small and medium-sized businesses, Apple said.
Trump has called for Apple to move iPhone production to the U.S. and is implementing tariffs that will likely raise the company's costs.
The academy will offer workshops on manufacturing and artificial intelligence to small and medium-sized businesses, Apple said.
Trump has called for Apple to move iPhone production to the U.S. and is implementing tariffs that will likely raise the company's costs.
My hometown and alma mater (Score:2)
So, yay?
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We live in Pittsburgh and wife is from Russia (she has been in the U.S. for 20 years).
One day she says that she wants to visit Baltimore. I know better (I was born in PG County), but we like to travel and go places on weekends, so I said "OK".
We made the trip. A 3 day weekend.
As we were rolling out of Baltimore and on the way home, she says, "You know...I don't think we need to come back here."
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New Jersey has Camden, whose unofficial motto is "Worse than Detroit", but it's so depopulated it's not considered in many surveys.
Anyway, I suspect this "manufacturing academy" will run a year or two or three, not do much of anything, then be shut down with Apple writing off the loss as well worth it for the goodwill with the government.
You're incorrect and ignoring evolution (Score:4, Interesting)
The 1950s aren't coming back no matter how hard you wish. You think the fabled US iPhone factory is going to pay enough for one person to support a family and a mortgage? Next up in fantasy land the factory has a pension and you'll work there until retirement!
You're completely wrong, but phrased it in a way that results in a tautology. Yeah, the past is the past, technically speaking, but manufacturing is moving back to the developed world due to automation and it will employ a lot of people, it just requires less people per unit produced...so. yeah, factories are coming back and they will hire a lot of people, just not in the numbers a single plant would hire in the 50s.
It gets more expensive every year to manufacture in China and gets cheaper elsewhere...not to mention possible issues with shipping and supply chains, which many companies want to mitigate. It's a complex and dynamic environment. Also, you may feel your above factory work, but they pay more than most retail jobs, so lots of baristas would happily work a factory job for twice the pay of Starbucks.
Also, Globalization is still a thing, as is regionalization. So most autos are assembled in the USA, but many of the parts are produced in Mexico, Canada, China, etc. Yeah, not like the 1950s where every component was made in Michigan...but still provides a good job to those who need it.
Depends on the plant (Score:2)
You're completely wrong, but phrased it in a way that results in a tautology. Yeah, the past is the past, technically speaking, but manufacturing is moving back to the developed world due to automation and it will employ a lot of people, it just requires less people per unit produced...so. yeah, factories are coming back and they will hire a lot of people, just not in the numbers a single plant would hire in the 50s.
You didn't address my statement. What are these factories paying? You think they're going to pay more than the local fast food joint? Not a chance unless it's a union shop.
You have any evidence of that? You either think fast food workers are paid a lot more than they are or you've never worked a factory job. No, assembly line workers are not buying yachts, but a lot make middle-class or lower-middle-class wages. Quite a few who specialize in technical details make great wages, but those are obviously not typically conventional blue collar jobs.
Also, most factories are located in low-cost centers, so you may not see them if you live in the Bay Area or NYC, but they're
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You think the fabled US iPhone factory is going to pay enough for one person to support a family and a mortgage?
[...] manufacturing is moving back to the developed world due to automation and it will employ a lot of people, it just requires less people per unit produced...so. yeah, factories are coming back and they will hire a lot of people, just not in the numbers a single plant would hire in the 50s.
[...] they pay more than most retail jobs, so lots of baristas would happily work a factory job for twice the pay of Starbucks.
[...] Yeah, not like the 1950s where every component was made in Michigan...but still provides a good job to those who need it.
You're not really responding to the point the OP made after suggesting they are completely wrong. The OP is talking about the salary an individual will take home from one of these factory jobs not being sufficient to pay for a mortgage and support a family alone like they could in the 50s; while your response address the number of jobs that the factory will produce and then points out they are still going to be better than the average retail job. This doesn't in any way address the OPs argument, even if you
Re:You're incorrect and ignoring evolution (Score:5, Interesting)
You're not really responding to the point the OP made after suggesting they are completely wrong.
He was but admittedly in a roudabout way. The reason wages were higher in the 1950s is the Detroit was manufacturing the cars for a large fraction of the globe. Europe and Asia had been devastated by war and the fall of the iron curtain and were in no position to compete. This meant there was more demand for skilled workers than there was supply and so companies had to pay more to get the people they needed.
Today, as the poster was pointing out, car manufacturing is globalized because many countries can, and do, compete or collaborate with US manufacturing. Trump may be dismantling the collaborative efforts but the effect of that is reciprocal tarif agreements, making it easier for US companies to compete making "inputs" - like parts and metal - but also making US goods much more expensive elsewhere reducing demand for them so ultimately it just moves jobs around the economy - in the US from high-end manufacturing to low-end manufacturing and resources and in countires like Canada and the EU in the opposite direction. This might help with wages but will also fuel inflation and, as the poster pointed out, is never going to return things to the 1950s when the US's intact manufacturing base was literally supplying most of the Western world in the aftermath of World War II.
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You're completely wrong, but phrased it in a way that results in a tautology. Yeah, the past is the past, technically speaking, but manufacturing is moving back to the developed world due to automation and it will employ a lot of people, it just requires less people per unit produced
Is 10% or less of the staff which would have once been required "a lot"?
Is less than 10% of the unemployed "a lot"?
depends on your math. (Score:2)
You're completely wrong, but phrased it in a way that results in a tautology. Yeah, the past is the past, technically speaking, but manufacturing is moving back to the developed world due to automation and it will employ a lot of people, it just requires less people per unit produced
Is 10% or less of the staff which would have once been required "a lot"? Is less than 10% of the unemployed "a lot"?
If in the 1950s, an entire Chevy was made in a single plant, but now only 10% of the workforce is required, but it's shipping 10x the units, it's not necessarily a loss. The supply chain has diversified so that maybe the seats are not made in the same plant, but there's an independent factory 2 states over that subcontracts the seats for many companies and produces nothing but seats. The aggregate total is what matters and it's honestly very hard to compute. However, the trends have been increasing stead
Detroit Prices (Score:3)
You think the fabled US iPhone factory is going to pay enough for one person to support a family and a mortgage?
Why do you think they are putting it in Detroit? A while ago they were selling houses for $1 so at least a mortgage should not be an issue. The bigger problem will be getting people to move there.
Re:Detroit Prices (Score:5, Insightful)
A while ago they were selling houses for $1 so at least a mortgage should not be an issue.
The "houses" they were selling for $1 were mostly teardowns [theguardian.com]. When a house sits empty in a city with high unemployment it gets squatted in, the copper gets ripped out of the walls, it gets used for a cookhouse (as in meth, not chili) and toxic chemicals dumped on the floor and in the soil beneath, and so on. In the worst but plausible case you've got to pay tens of thousands to have it torn down, and then pay tens of thousands again to have a new structure built, after paying tens of thousands in permits. The mortgage problem is that you cannot get a mortgage on such a shithole/project, the bank simply just won't write you one.
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"they were selling houses for $1"
That's essentially a zombie fact. While Detroit housing prices are still modest, it's one of the hottest markets in the country for how fast prices are rising. As someone else pointed out, those weren't houses being sold for $1. Those were essentially lots with lots of housing remnants that needed to be torn down and removed, and often had back tax burdens that must be handled by the buyer. The cost of tearing down and cleaning up + the back taxes were often greater than
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Don't want to live in a place with small minded people.....in the meantime, you're classifying huge areas of the country as uninhabitable and lacking in culture. Nice. By the way, at least some "flyover states" have lots of immigrants.
In the meantime, nothing in the article has anything to do with enticing people to move to Detroit, but you go on a rant about it anyway.
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Are there any states left without a ton of immigrants...? Asking for research purposes..
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Are there any states left without a ton of immigrants...? Asking for research purposes..
Biden was moving in the equivalent of the ENTIRE state of Michigan every 5 years.
So......probably not.
You're very ignorant to Detroit (Score:2)
This is going to fail bigtime. Nobody will move there for jobs. As a tech professional, I would rather eat glass than live in a flyover state. I have in-demand skills and I have zero desire to live in places that are small minded, lack immigrants, and lack interesting and rich culture. The tech sector is chock full of diverse immigrants and unique people who have no desire to live in a conformist mono-chromatic culture. Tech talents don't want to eat breakfast at the Waffle House.
Either you're completely clueless about Detroit or you're one of the world's biggest assholes. They're famous for their immigrant communities and diversity. None of your description applies. I grew up in what a total asshole would call a flyover state and we WISH we were Detroit. Also, you may be an asshole and a snob, but are you sure all your peers are?
I like living in the city myself, but half my coworkers would LOVE to have a job with the same pay and a giant house in the middle of nowhere. Most
Let's go, Detroit is ripe for reinvestment (Score:2)
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Seriously Surreal. (Score:1)
Arguably the king of outsourced manufacturing who hasn't built so much as an audio cable on this continent in several decades is suddenly ... what, exactly? Some sort of expert on sending their designs off to China or India for manufacturing, or?... No, wait, that's not it. Steve Jobs is dead and I'm waiting for Apple to quit twitching. Just let me know when Apple starts opening "broasted chicken" diners in their left-over spaces. That's usually a pretty good tell-tale that a company is on the ropes fo
Wages (Score:2)