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Trump Says Tim Cook Called Him To Complain About the EU (theverge.com) 278

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Donald Trump said Apple CEO Tim Cook called him to discuss the billions of dollars that Apple has been fined in the European Union. Trump made the statement during his appearance on the PBD Podcast -- and said that he won't let the EU "take advantage" of US companies like Apple if reelected. "Two hours ago, three hours ago, he [Cook] called me," Trump said. "He said the European Union has just fined us $15 billion... Then on top of that, they got fined by the European Union another $2 billion." In March, the EU fined Apple around $2 billion after finding that Apple used its dominance to restrict music streaming apps from telling customers about cheaper subscription deals outside the App Store. The EU later won its fight to make Apple pay $14.4 billion in unpaid taxes.

"He [Cook] said something that was interesting," Trump said. "He said they're using that to run their enterprise, meaning Europe is their enterprise. "I said, 'That's a lot... But Tim, I got to get elected first, but I'm not going to let them take advantage of our companies -- that won't, you know, be happening.'"
Trump has talked to several Big Tech executives over the past several months. "During an interview this week, Trump said he spoke with Google CEO Sundar Pichai to complain about all the 'bad stories' the search engine shows about him," notes The Verge. "Elon Musk recently spoke at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, while Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg called Trump over the summer 'a few times,' according to the former president."
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Trump Says Tim Cook Called Him To Complain About the EU

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  • by RightwingNutjob ( 1302813 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:33PM (#64873467)

    I got a good look Saturday night by chance. I was working outside in the evening and there it was.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      "Maga's Gate"

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @04:33AM (#64873873)

      Unfortunately not see. I did get a photo of it though. There was too much light pollution and I had to bump the contrast up in the picture. However now that the comet is higher I may get the telescope out and give it another go, it's supposed to be clear this weekend.

      This is a much better conversation than the worthless Trump rants about being upset that the EU has its own laws.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:36PM (#64873471)
    Did he mean Tim Apple?
  • Trump says (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Retired Chemist ( 5039029 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:49PM (#64873485)
    Who believes anything he says anymore. Anyway, even if he was president, what could he do about the EU. In case he has not noticed, they are not part of the US and basically do not give a damn about what the US thinks.
    • by cats-paw ( 34890 )

      not to mention, Trump knows or understands what the EU is ?
      Very ,very doubtful.

    • Re:Trump says (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Nabeel_co ( 1045054 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @11:20PM (#64873513) Homepage

      I believe it not because I think Trump is credible, but rather because I think Tim Cook is a two timing snake who would totally appeal to Trump behind closed doors, while touting progressivism and liberalism publicly.

      I worked at Apple while Steve Jobs was alive, and it was a very principled company. Steve Jobs' body wasn't even cold in the ground yet when Tim Cook started replacing all the principals with process that focused on making money and shareholder value. Steve Jobs picked the wrong person and as a result many good people left Apple, almost immediately after Steve's death. I left too. It just wasn't the company I signed up for anymore.

      • Re:Trump says (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @01:45AM (#64873705) Homepage

        I believe it not because I think Trump is credible, but rather because I think Tim Cook is a two timing snake who would totally appeal to Trump behind closed doors, while touting progressivism and liberalism publicly.

        As much as I'd like to doubt this, Peter Thiel is a thing, so this is sadly a genuine possibility.

        • Re:Trump says (Score:5, Insightful)

          by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @04:36AM (#64873875)

          This is the common way the powerful operate. They need to appease the masses, but at the same time a company the size of Apple has a leadership that is deeply involved in the politics of the land. It stands to reason that Tim Cook would appeal to *both sides* given the current poll has the potential future leader as a coin toss.

    • Re:Trump says (Score:4, Informative)

      by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @12:02AM (#64873563)
      The US can and does use its economic clout to muscle other nations including allies including the EU to do its bidding. E.g.:

      President Donald Trump has signed a law that will impose sanctions on any firm that helps Russia's state-owned gas company, Gazprom, finish a pipeline into the European Union.

      The sanctions target firms building Nord Stream 2, an undersea pipeline that will allow Russia to increase gas exports to Germany.

      The US considers the project a security risk to Europe.

      Both Russia and the EU have strongly condemned the US sanctions.

      The Trump administration fears the pipeline will tighten Russia's grip over Europe's energy supply and reduce its own share of the lucrative European market for American liquefied natural gas.

      President Trump has said the 1,225km (760-mile) pipeline, owned by Russia's Gazprom, could turn Germany into a "hostage of Russia".

      The US sanctions have angered Russia and the European Union, which says it should be able to decide its own energy policies.

      Earlier this week German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she was "opposed to extraterritorial sanctions" against the Nord Stream 2 project.

      German foreign minister Heiko Maas struck a more combative tone, saying the sanctions amounted to "interference in autonomous decisions taken in Europe".

      On Saturday, the EU voiced its clear opposition to the US sanctions. "As a matter of principle, the EU opposes the imposition of sanctions against EU companies conducting legitimate business," a spokesman for the trading bloc told AFP news agency.

      Construction on Nord Stream 2 was completed, but it never entered service. Whether the US opposition was instrumental is clouded by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But the point remains that the US did impose sanctions on European countries to get its way.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      >if he was president, what could he do about the EU

      Trade negotiations and sanctions are a thing. Last time he was president, his tariffs on EU products enabled a lot of negotiations and concessions, including regulatory concessions. Some of which came during his tenure, and some during current one.

      And with current vice president and former president being two primary candidates, Cook would be in dereliction of his duty if he didn't lobby both to help his US headquartered megacorp with government to gover

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by codebase7 ( 9682010 )

        Cook would be in dereliction of his duty

        Funny, if this was any other country he'd be either investigated for bribery or executed for impersonating the king / despot. It's only in the US where corporations view such acts as a "dereliction of their duties" instead of "direct threats to their core business interests."

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          Not sure which countries you're referring to, but all countries that are high on personal freedoms (i.e. do not have despots and if they have kings they are ceremonial rather than actual acting leaders) consider it to be normal for someone employed in a leadership position to have a duty to people who own the company and work at it.

          I guess you're talking about DPRK?

          • by unrtst ( 777550 )

            ... consider it to be normal for someone employed in a leadership position to have a duty to people who own the company and work at it.

            (emphasis mine)
            Are we rewriting constitutions or something? Is it now, "We the People who own companies of the United States, ..."?

            Our leaders have a duty to the people, full stop. No qualifiers of "... who own companies" or "... who own land" - we've moved on from the landowner concept, though I'll admit that, in practice, companies have far too much influence. That doesn't mean we the people consider it normal.

    • Anyway, even if he was president, what could he do about the EU.

      He'll put a 2000% tariff on EU apples? :-)

    • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @01:41AM (#64873699) Homepage

      Anyway, even if he was president, what could he do about the EU.

      He could complain about it on X. At 2 am. Every night. With lots of typos.

    • by migos ( 10321981 )
      They do, because Trump will retaliate, and try to use Ukraine as leverage to undermine EU. He will run the US like a reality TV mafia style.
    • Re:Trump says (Score:5, Insightful)

      by mjwx ( 966435 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @07:03AM (#64874085)

      Who believes anything he says anymore.

      Incels, racists, mysoginists, the unemployable.... However it is something I can see happening, especially if Cook isn't going to deny it.

      Anyway, even if he was president, what could he do about the EU. In case he has not noticed, they are not part of the US and basically do not give a damn about what the US thinks.

      If Trump were president... he could do sweet fuck all. We saw this before, he was completely incompetent and had no idea what he was doing, but he had to be at the centre of it all issuing orders. A perfect example of someone who is supremely confident in abilities they just don't possess.

      A competent president can bring diplomatic pressure to bear on the EU, offer incentives and concessions. Ultimately the EU has the power to tell the US to go "do one" but isn't likely to because they understand the benefits of a good relationship with the US. However a competent president would more likely seek to copy parts of European law as they're actually beneficial to European residents and would be equally beneficial to Americans.

      The EU, as we've seen multiple times with Brexit, is more than willing to call a bluff and follow through with their promises, so Trumps usual style of bluster and bullshit over tact and reason will get him laughed at by world leaders... again.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      In particular, these are the anti-trust people. They are probably used to idiots truing to influence them and do not give a damn.

  • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:52PM (#64873489) Journal

    Because ... you know ... let's just wait.

    That said, this doesn't strike me as that odd. If Apple did something that ran afoul of anti-competition laws in the EU, I would expect them to be fined.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Who cares if Tim did call him?

      Are you gonna switch your vote?

      Or switch to Android?

      CEOs talk to politicians all the time.

      If Tim endorsed him or contributed a spare billion to his campaign, that would be big news.

      • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @12:00AM (#64873557) Journal

        Who cares if Tim did call him?

        Well I for one really don't. My point is that I'm not going to take Trump's word on what was discussed, or even that Cook called, because Trump has a history of making up or misrepresenting conversations he had with others.

      • Are you gonna switch your vote?

        Maybe a few MAGA church followers will finally realize their orange prophet roots for disgusting billionaires who don't pay their taxes more than honest working stiffs.

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      At this point it's likely less anti-competition and more DSA and AI regulation related stuff. Both are trade issues/barriers from perspective of US corporations, but with WTO's primary resolution mechanism now having failed that neither Trump nor Biden/(Harris) administration approving any new judges in almost 8 years of their combined rule, it makes sense for corporations to ask their respective governments to lobby for them directly instead. Especially in US, where both candidates policies on WTO are clea

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Powercntrl ( 458442 )

      Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Unlike some other companies *cough*Tesla*cough*, Apple actually wants to be publicly perceived as being progressive, so any back room dealings with conservatives has to stay on the down low.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @10:58PM (#64873499)

    They're gonna try and position themselves as best they can, from the start, with both Trump and Harris.

    • They're gonna try and position themselves as best they can, from the start, with both Trump and Harris.

      You'd only have to make half the number of calls if you wait until after one of them wins. No, if this actually did happen, it's because there's some quid pro quo implied. If we start seeing Trump ads start popping up on everyone's iThings, well, now we know what Tim's end of the bargain was.

      • I don't think that approach - waiting to see if he wins first - would work with Trump. He'd definitely fault you for not paying obeisance erifarly enough.

        It might make one's initial relationship with President Harris a trifle chilly, too.

  • EU is not the USA (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ukoda ( 537183 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @11:00PM (#64873501) Homepage
    I sometimes wonder if trump is aware the EU is not subject to USA law? Not sure what he thinks he can actually do to the EU that would not affect the USA and the companies in the USA just as badly. Still unsure if he is truly ignorant as to how international trade works, or if he is just pretending in order to mislead his voters.
    • You realize the US actually has a great deal of pull with the EU, right? The US has a lot of resources and weight they can throw around to make EU member states miserable if they don't bend to the US' will. They've done this kind of thing before, and there's no doubt in my mind they'd do it again.

      • by ukoda ( 537183 ) on Thursday October 17, 2024 @11:49PM (#64873543) Homepage
        Well I agree that trump would be dumb enough to "They've done this kind of thing before, and there's no doubt in my mind they'd do it again.". Yes it would hurt the EU but I bet you they will simply say "Fuck trump" and let the fine stand. Once the EU fine someone don't think there is a thing the USA can do, short of an invasion, to reverse it because most of the people in the EU have pride and will refuse to be bullied by a dictator like trump. There will be no winners. trump just likes to spout shit to look big but it impresses no one outside the USA.
        • by Alworx ( 885008 )

          Impose levies on wine, parmesan and high fashion and he's getting free lobbyists in the EU. One side get's to pay more for iPhones, the other side has to make do with chilean champagne and grated cheddar

      • Pulling crap like what's being floated here is a good way to loose that pull.

        Yeah sure, "The US is a world superpower! 'Merica." But guess what? 'Merica isn't the only superpower in the world anymore, and lately it's been abandoning it's core "principles" on the world stage whenever it's convenient. To say nothing of the previous guy's temper tantrums with the EU and other NATO countries, or his penchant for ripping up international agreements on a whim. (I.e. Not the kind of guy you want to make long ter
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          China has been taking advantage of the increasingly divided and extreme politics in the US to sell itself as the new stable superpower for some years now.

          The EU kinda has too, but tends to take a less colonial attitude than the US. It's mostly about trade, which is done on the EU's terms, and doesn't include all the geopolitical stuff, or the mandatory boot-licking.

      • You realize the US actually has a great deal of pull with the EU, right? The US has a lot of resources and weight they can throw around to make EU member states miserable if they don't bend to the US' will. They've done this kind of thing before, and there's no doubt in my mind they'd do it again.

        No the USA does not have the pull required to get the EU to drop landmark laws. This is something incidentally the USA has tried multiple times in the past and failed at (remember the debacle with requirement to keep data within the bloc?).

      • The US has a lot of resources and weight they can throw around to make EU member states miserable if they don't bend to the US' will. .

        What they'll take away Apple, Facebook, Google, Starbucks and Costa? Oh no how will we survive?

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @04:45AM (#64873885)

      I used to think he was pandering, but we're talking about a man who bankrupted a casino, invested his wealth worse than a simple index fund, and was absolutely perplexed when it turned out that Haitians weren't eating dogs and cats, and were in the country legally.

      He is a man that got upset that China put tariffs on American goods after he unilaterally put tariffs on Chinese goods (the result of which had a bigger effect on America than China), and also got upset when the WTO called his tariffs unjustified to the point where he threatened to pull the USA out (which would be a Brexit level disaster for the country)

      I genuinely think he has no idea how the world works. If he was some kind of genius he could make such claims without looking incredibly stupid.

    • by Bongo ( 13261 )

      Um, would you be interested in buying an undersea gas pipeline, slightly broken?

  • by Talcyon ( 150838 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @12:25AM (#64873587) Homepage

    A question from a Brit. Would the denizens of Slashdot vote for Trump? Honestly. Personally I don't think anyone here would buy into the virtual reality that Trump seems to live in.

    I'm somewhat surprised that the head of Apple would call him to have a moan about the EU imposing fines for abusing their dominance in the marketplace. If he was a sitting president, then maybe, but as a multi-impeached ex-president? It feels like it would dirty Apple's squeaky-clean persona, even though they are just as predatory as the rest of them. I can understand Trump ringing Pichai about google results, because that pokes holes in his alternative reality. But why would Cook call him to moan about having to hand out what amounts to pocket change? It sounds made-up, to me anyway and not the first time that Trump has said something that is patently not true.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Incredibly, despite all of it, he seems to be in with a genuine chance of becoming POTUS again next month. So naturally Tim Apple will want to get in early and maybe even plant some ideas that Trump could ramble about at one of his rallies.

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @04:48AM (#64873891)

      Would the denizens of Slashdot vote for Trump?

      Depends on if you ask people with mod points or not. Scroll to the top of the comments section and pull the sliders all the way to the right revealing how many Slashdotters are actually mad keen trump supporters. Slashdot is just news for nerds, we're not big or important enough for all of those supporters to be Russian trolls. There are legit people who buy the Trump bullshit and get off on sniffing it.

    • Also sorry for the double post but:

      I'm somewhat surprised that the head of Apple would call him to have a moan about the EU imposing fines for abusing their dominance in the marketplace. If he was a sitting president, then maybe, but as a multi-impeached ex-president?

      This makes perfect sense and I'm not surprised in the slightest. Even in the UK and EU the governments are preparing plans on how to deal with 4 years of Trump presidency. The polls put him winning at a coin toss. The leaders of mega companies have a job to ensure their governments are sympathetic to their businesses. That Tim Cook talked to Trump isn't a surprise, what would be a surprise is if the democrats stated that Tim hadn't also talked to Harris. I would bet you my

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by sinij ( 911942 )

      A question from a Brit. Would the denizens of Slashdot vote for Trump?

      I absolutely would. Well, not exactly "for Trump", as I don't like his leadership style and lack of diplomatic skills, but rather against the establishment. My top concerns are: a) personal freedoms, including protecting free speech and putting in limits to government power during pandemic; b) weaponization of justice against political opponents (whatever you think of Trump, at least half of prosecutions against him are clearly BS and political); c) the end to endless warmongering that now got us very close

    • by strikethree ( 811449 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @08:22AM (#64874299) Journal

      A question from a Brit. Would the denizens of Slashdot vote for Trump? Honestly. Personally I don't think anyone here would buy into the virtual reality that Trump seems to live in.

      Some people will vote for Trump in an effort to 'poison the well'. "If I can't participate in society, then I will destroy it."

  • by sizzlinkitty ( 1199479 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @12:27AM (#64873595)

    Tim Apple.... have you heard of him? A lot of people don't know about Tim Apple. He called me about the European Onion, he says "They're against me. They're against us. Sir, is there anything you can do?" They really want us bad over there. Lots of awful deals, terrible deals. Lots of people know about it. And I know because I'm great at Europe. I'm probably the best at Europe since Reagan. Some even say I'm the greatest. Don't know if that's true but some people say it.

  • Trump said he spoke with Google CEO Sundar Pichai to complain about all the 'bad stories' the search engine shows about him,"

    As they say: If the shoe fits, wear it.

  • economic war (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nicubunu ( 242346 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @12:40AM (#64873621) Homepage

    So Trump threatens to ignite an economic war with EU? Can the US manage a simultaneous economic war with both China and EU? And still remain relevant on international politics? After withdrawing from NATO too? Isolationism FTW!

    • I don't mind America being taken down a peg or two.

      Maybe it will teach the Maga crowd to not do so many stupid shit in the future.

  • Yet another reason to hate Apple.

    How they think the non-winner of the next US presidential election is going to stop the EU, for example, convicting the EU arm of Apple for not paying EU taxes in the EU... I'm not sure.

    Hell, some of those taxes were the Irish taxes that were deemed unfair state aid, and IRELAND were fighting for them not to be paid, and the EU overruled their own member and forced Apple to pay them.

  • by Eunomion ( 8640039 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @03:23AM (#64873803)
    Sources should be ashamed of reporting Trump saying something as if it had probative value.
  • by necronom426 ( 755113 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @03:26AM (#64873807)

    Trump is saying that Apple being fined for not paying EU taxes in the EU isn't okay, but if someone born in the US lives in the EU the US takes taxes from them as well as the expected EU taxes.
    From what I've heard, apart from one small country, the US is the only place that taxes people who aren't even living or working in that country.

  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @06:19AM (#64874021)

    The EU can and will do whatever it wants in its own jurisdiction according to its own laws. Including handing massive fines out to monopolies. If Apple or any other company is having a sad about that, they can 1) withdraw from Europe, 2) treat the fines as an operational cost of being a monopoly, i.e. suck it up, 3) stop doing the things that get them fined in the first place.

  • They're an Irish company. Just look at their corporate paperwork.

  • The likely retaliation against these excessive fines against Apple by the Trump administration would be go after Airbus, Bosch or Thales or any other EU-based multinational and apply similarly-sized fines. While EU has the right to go after Apple for actions within EU jurisdiction, so does US.
    • by Targon ( 17348 )

      You know what happens if you slap a $1000 fine on a poor person? You may bankrupt them. You slap that $1000 fine on someone who has billions of dollars, and it's a laugh. Setting larger fines on the wealthy while giving smaller fines to those who don't have a lot of money makes sense, the idea is to deter that sort of behavior in the future.

      Apple has a huge profit margin on products, so fines should be much higher for them than for those who don't make as much profit.

  • But doesn't Cook have A fIDuCiArY dUTy to brownnose politicians who may (unjustly, as is usual for this sort of systemic corruption) later be in a position to "help out" Apple?
  • Trump is known for making things up.

  • I would ask why we carry this kind of garbage on the front page, but the discussion makes it clear. This article has had the most comments of any article for a while. The user base here at slashdot has skewed far right for a while, and as the centrists and leftist have left for other forums the skew has only become worse.

    Hence the answer of course is that we get more conservatives in front of more conservative advertising by running this article. Gotta do something to keep the light on a little longe
  • by jvkjvk ( 102057 ) on Friday October 18, 2024 @08:31AM (#64874327)

    I don't believe that Tim Cook called him.

    Phone logs or it didn't happen.

    Trump lies so much there is no need to think that any particular statement is truthful.

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