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Apple Quietly Removed 60 More VPNs From Russian App Store (theregister.com) 46

Apple has pulled 60 VPNs from its App Store in Russia, according to research from anti-censorship org GreatFire. From a report: The iThing-maker's action comes amid a Kremlin crackdown on VPNs that has already seen a ban on privacy-related extensions to the open source Firefox browser. The software's developer, Mozilla, defied that ban and allowed the extensions back into its web store. In July, Apple removed at least one VPN from its Russian App Store. Cupertino removed at least 60 more between early July and September 18, according to research by GreatFire posted to its site that tracks Apple censorship. The org's research asserts that 98 VPNs are now unavailable in Russia -- but doesn't specify if the removals were made in the iOS or macOS app stores.
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Apple Quietly Removed 60 More VPNs From Russian App Store

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  • I thoight there were sanctions! Why don't I get an app store!?!?

  • Why not just flip the bird to Russia and say "Call us when you stop throwing a temper tantrum, and we'll reconsider you then"

    • Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:06PM (#64820077)
      Um because if you operate in another country, you obey that countries laws, even if you disagree with them.
      This is EXACTLY the same approach the USA has, obey our laws or else.
      US laws end at the US boarder.
      • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

        Officially, Apple does not sell anything in Russia. Russian companies buy equipment in other countries and bring it to their stores. If I import a Japanese product via England, the Japanese company isn't suddenly operating in the US, nor do they have to suddenly comply with US laws.

        Therefore, Apple doesn't have to do shit. They are willfully doing it with no legal requirement whatsoever.

        • Apple might not be selling hardware in Russia, but they operate an "AppStore" which is accessible to the residents of Russia. Maybe they only have free apps, or maybe the residents of Russia can pay Apple for services. Either way it's a business which Apple has chosen to operate there. Apple probably still intends to return to full operations in Russia in a few years and does not want to earn a permanent ban.

          • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

            they operate an "AppStore" which is accessible to the residents of Russia

            Irrelevant. The fact that you can use the App Store within Russia means nothing. The fact that Russians could give money to Apple, via the App Store, means nothing. If I (not Apple) sold an iPhone to an alien on Mars, and that alien than manages to purchase apps in the App Store (somehow)... Apple is not suddenly operating on Mars. If I take my Google phone to North Korea, and buy apps while in North Korea, Google is not suddenly operating in North Korea.

            Apple probably still intends to return to full operations in Russia in a few years and does not want to earn a permanent ban.

            Nothing to risk, as they don't operate there. It woul

            • The fact that Russians could give money to Apple, via the App Store, means nothing.

              You can't be serious. Selling stuff is pretty much the definition of having business.

              • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

                And yet, both technically and legally, Apple still isn't selling anything, or doing business, in Russia.

                I know it's difficult for most tiny brains to comprehend.

                • It's not up to you to decide. Courts decided that a foreign website open to visits of locals is already business and submits the company to the local rules. Companies who don't like that use geoblocking.

                  For example I am (in EU) geoblocked by several US local news outlets because as soon as I would visit their website, it's enough business to place themselves under GDPR, which they don't want to have to follow. They could decide to ignore it, but when the media outlet is part of larger group with a footprint

                  • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

                    It's not up to you to decide. Courts decided that a foreign website open to visits of locals is already business and submits the company to the local rules.

                    Don't really care. This means it's up to the powers within the country to block or ban the website/product/internet traffic/whatever. If Russia banned /. it's not up to /. to make sure Russian couldn't access the site, it's up to Russia to make sure Russians can't access it.

                    For example I am (in EU) geoblocked by several US local news outlets because as soon as I would visit their website, it's enough business to place themselves under GDPR, which they don't want to have to follow.

                    Don't care about this either. If /. didn't want to be GDPR compliant, it's not up to /. to prevent EU people from accessing it. That's for the EU to enforce by making the ISPs do the blocking. Your courts cannot force me to do anything

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        US laws end at the US boarder.

        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha /wheeze.

        Signed,
        the dozens of countries that had US laws put on their books via lopsided trade agreements.

    • Why not just flip the bird to Russia and say "Call us when you stop throwing a temper tantrum, and we'll reconsider you then"

      Apple always has the option to cease doing business in any country if they do not want to obey the laws of that country. Unless they choose to exit that country, they are responsible for following the laws of the countries they do business in. Very few large multinationals choose to exit a country when money vs ethics is involved.

    • Why is Apple still doing business in Russia in violation of US and EU sanctions?

      • by Bahbus ( 1180627 )

        Technically, they aren't. But they are following rules, laws, and regulations as if they were. All Apple products sold within Russia (at least since Russia started their illegitimate war) have been imported from other countries that Apple does sell to. Could even be through multiple middlemen countries.

        So, it's just Apple complying with rules, laws, and regulations that they are under no obligation to follow and lose nothing if they don't.

        • Ahh... they are playing the long game... betting that when all this temporary unpleasantness blows over they can simply go back to business as usual in Russia. They don't want to offended anyone important in the meantime.

          Neutrality! Capitalism with no conscience.

  • My dream is that, someday, humanity, or at least some significant fraction of it, will be able to distinguish between an ethos and a logo.
    • My dream is that, someday, humanity, or at least some significant fraction of it, will be able to distinguish between an ethos and a logo.

      I'd be happy if they could spot a mytho(s) when confronted with one - then maybe they wouldn't succumb to the patho(s) with which Apple's bullshit is sold.

  • Coming from the company that got started from selling blue boxes.
  • I'm tried of Apple helping out actual people. It's about time they kowtow to the great Putin and Russia. They need Russia's market and more importantly, all those sweet, sweet rubles. Putin deserves to be the only voice.
  • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Thursday September 26, 2024 @04:14PM (#64820093)

    I think Tim Cook would sell out his own family in order to preserve Apple's profits.

    CIA and Homeland should keep an eye on this - I have little doubt that Mr. Courage would sell out his own country if the price was high enough.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Kow-towing to a corrupt and brutal authoritarian regime just to make money.
  • I think US and EU should start to fine Apple for each day their app store is available in Russia, despite existing sanctions.

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