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Epic Says Apple Violated App Store Injunction, Seeks Contempt Order (reuters.com) 79

Posted by msmash from the tussle-continues dept.
Epic Games, which makes the popular video game "Fortnite," on Wednesday accused Apple of violating an injunction governing its lucrative App Store, and asked a U.S. judge to hold Apple in contempt and end its "sham" compliance. From a report: A September 2021 injunction by U.S. District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers in Oakland, California, let developers provide links and buttons that direct consumers to other means to pay for digital content.

In a filing with the California court, Epic alleged that Apple is in "blatant violation" of that injunction, despite the Cupertino, California-based company's assurance in a Jan. 16 court notice that it had "fully complied." Epic said Apple has imposed new rules and a new 27% fee on developers for some purchases, which taken together make the links "commercially unusable." The Cary, North Carolina-based developer also said Apple continues to "categorically prohibit" buttons, and still forbids some apps from telling users they have other purchasing options.
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  • They don't have a developers account in the US. They can't fucking test Apple's claim. They clearly are in no position to complain.

  • The company famous for exploiting children for free labor, telling the company famous for exploiting everyone in their ecosystem for free and exclusive access to their personal data, that they're bad and should be punished.

    • Re:Ahhh yes... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by r0nc0 ( 566295 ) on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:49PM (#64313085)
      Which one is exploiting free access to personal data? Because it sure as fuck isn't Apple.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Calydor ( 739835 )

        [Citation needed]

        • They do collect all the data [fossbytes.com], but they "choose to use it differently" which really means that as long as we trust them there's nothing to worry about.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by r0nc0 ( 566295 )
            Ah. I see the confusion. A good bit of that data does not go in raw form to Apple - especially health or PII data. What happens is that the iPhone/watch whatever computes those groups/hashes on the device using a federated technique. If an ad has a hash that matches then that add will be permitted on the device.

        • [Citation needed]

          You're asking for proof of a negative.

      • I completely agree. Apple has done a ton of morally objectionable stuff, but they're one of the tech leaders in terms of privacy rights.

      • Noooooo never apple

        • Noooooo never apple

          Prove it.

          • Airtags.

            • Airtags.

              I don't think they do what you think they do.

              • I don't think you know how they work.

                • I don't think you know how they work.

                  I do; and they don't steal your data.

                  They report $ANONIMIZED_USER's Approximate Location, along with the AirTag's ID. Apple does not know who Relayed an AirTag's Location; so, by design, it cannot be used for Data Gathering of the general "Find My" Network's Populace, other than the general, randomly-updated Location Data of the AirTag itself. Which is kind of necessary for any kind of Tracker.

                  Prove they do otherwise.

                  • You are either claiming that location isn't personal data, or you are claiming that anonymous personal data is a real thing, and not a profitable fiction [eff.org]. Especially location data, jeez. I hope you're not trying to claim that a person's location doesn't count as personal data just because their name isn't attached to it.

                    Also, stop demanding that I prove things. What kind of wankery is that? I'm not your tutor, I'm not your search bot, and this isn't a math class where things are provable. It's asinine.

                    • You are either claiming that location isn't personal data, or you are claiming that anonymous personal data is a real thing, and not a profitable fiction [eff.org]. Especially location data, jeez. I hope you're not trying to claim that a person's location doesn't count as personal data just because their name isn't attached to it.

                      Also, stop demanding that I prove things. What kind of wankery is that? I'm not your tutor, I'm not your search bot, and this isn't a math class where things are provable. It's asinine.

                      Yes, I am stating that location data without identification is indeed not Personal Identifying Data.

                    • Well, okay then. That's straightforward enough. You wanted proof and I gave you a link to an article debunking your claim. I'm not sure what else I can do there.

                    • Well, okay then. That's straightforward enough. You wanted proof and I gave you a link to an article debunking your claim. I'm not sure what else I can do there.

                      You pointed to an article simply chock full of non-factual assertions and hyperbolic conclusory "Logic". While I generally respect the EFF, like all advocacy groups, they tend to get over their skis a bit in an attempt to justify their mission, build membership (and Donations).

                      Far too many vague assertions in that article to be convincing; especially since we were specifically talking about AirTags. Not once does that article address them to any specificity whatsoever. Therefore, it is simply hyperbolic, pa

                    • certainly not "proof"

                      Let me remind you: this is not a math class. There's no such thing as proof, and if you're sufficiently determined to believe something than nothing is ever going to convince you otherwise. So I'm not sure how far to go with this.

                      There was this [slashdot.org] story from not that long ago about using "anonymized" location data to identify certain government employees. There have been many other examples, like this one [here.com], about another "anonymous" data set being de-anonymized.

                      As for your dismissal that we were specifica

                    • I think AirTags have put to bed any notion that Apple is a company which is out to defend peoples' privacy.

                      Only in your fevered brain.

                      https://www.makeuseof.com/airt... [makeuseof.com]

                      BTW, don't want to participate in the "Find My" Community? Easily Done! You can just stop Reporting your Location: Settings - (YourName) - Find My - Turn OFF "Share My Location".

                      Done.

                      Now, hopefully you won't lose your iPhone.

      • If you think Apple isn't storing and using WAY more data from their closed ecosystem their users are required to participate in than any other subscription service, I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you. You are not very smart.

        You think when your contacts, your photos, your documents, your browsing history, the backups of everything on your phone, and even often your email account are stored on their servers... they're NOT using that as a business advantage? They're violating all kinds
    • You are right, Epic sucks.

    • I may not think highly of Epic, but when were they caught exploiting children?

  • When two assholes fight (Score:3)

    by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:55PM (#64313109)

    It's OK to watch and hope they both end up injured, right?

  • This is the toll road / railroad access protectionism fight of the internet.

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