Vintage Mac Community Begs Manufacturers for New Supply of Rare Dongle as Resellers Charge $250 (404media.co) 77
Members of the vintage Mac community are in desperate need of a new supply of a specific, discontinued dongle that has become increasingly rare and extremely expensive on the secondary market. From a report: "Bring Back the Belkin F2E9142-WHT ADC to DVI Cable for Vintage Apple Macs!," a change.org petition created this week by vintage Mac enthusiast Grant Woodward reads. "I am deeply concerned about the discontinuation of the Belkin F2E9142-WHT ADC to DVI cable. This essential piece of technology has become increasingly rare and difficult to find since it went out of production," the petition reads. "For those unfamiliar with its significance, this cable allows vintage Apple Macintosh computers to connect with more recent monitors, breathing new life into these iconic machines. It is an invaluable tool for restoring, collecting, and preserving these pieces of computing history." As Woodward notes, the adapter in question allows an older generation of Power Mac G3 and G4 from the early 2000s to connect to newer monitors.
wow (Score:1, Insightful)
it's almost like a bunch of privileged nerds are so lazy and cheap that they want a manufacturer to burn money in order to give their stupid hobby a lifeline
it's literally just two connectors with some wires in between. if there's electronics in it, rip one open, document it, put the schematic online. then make your own.
or stop using old obscure hardware
or pay for it like everyone else with a rare expensive hobby
why is this newsworthy?
Re:wow (Score:5, Informative)
From the article, it's just a passive connector so this is really just an adapter, I wouldn't even call it a dongle. Learn how to strip some wires and make your own if you really want to keep using your awful early-2000s Apple technology.
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So a 3D printer and some epoxy should get you a fragile but usable part.
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From the sound of things it seemed like the dongle had custom chips or some bullshit inside. All they need is a connector cloned? I can probably find some company on Aliexpress to do it.
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Doing some very light research, the Apple Display Connector is DVI plus power plus USB. It uses the same pin arrangement but a different shield (round ends instead of trapezoidal) to prevent you plugging in a normal DVI to the custom socket and blowing something up.
If all you need to do is adapt the mac ADC port to DVI, then you just need a passive adapter.
Going the other way might be trickier, since you'll need at least breakout cables for the USB and power (with external power supply).
That said I'm not se
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Doing some very light research, the Apple Display Connector is DVI plus power plus USB. It uses the same pin arrangement but a different shield (round ends instead of trapezoidal) to prevent you plugging in a normal DVI to the custom socket and blowing something up.
If all you need to do is adapt the mac ADC port to DVI, then you just need a passive adapter.
Or toss the video card in the trash and buy a replacement video card that has a DVI port instead of ADC. I think this connector was used only on G4 and early G5 towers, and there were other video cards with DVI available for the latter at least, and maybe for the former.
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Doing some very light research, the Apple Display Connector is DVI plus power plus USB. It uses the same pin arrangement but a different shield (round ends instead of trapezoidal) to prevent you plugging in a normal DVI to the custom socket and blowing something up.
If all you need to do is adapt the mac ADC port to DVI, then you just need a passive adapter.
Or toss the video card in the trash and buy a replacement video card that has a DVI port instead of ADC. I think this connector was used only on G4 and early G5 towers, and there were other video cards with DVI available for the latter at least, and maybe for the former.
Not so easy. IIRC, The video cards had to be able to run Open Firmware drivers on the card itself, and the supplies of those have pretty-much dried up long ago.
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Doing some very light research, the Apple Display Connector is DVI plus power plus USB. It uses the same pin arrangement but a different shield (round ends instead of trapezoidal) to prevent you plugging in a normal DVI to the custom socket and blowing something up.
If all you need to do is adapt the mac ADC port to DVI, then you just need a passive adapter.
Or toss the video card in the trash and buy a replacement video card that has a DVI port instead of ADC. I think this connector was used only on G4 and early G5 towers, and there were other video cards with DVI available for the latter at least, and maybe for the former.
Not so easy. IIRC, The video cards had to be able to run Open Firmware drivers on the card itself, and the supplies of those have pretty-much dried up long ago.
Well, yes and no. Obviously I meant a Mac version of those cards, but at least in Mac OS X, IIRC, you can often hack the drivers by changing the device matching dictionaries in the Info.plist files to force them to match against unsupported PCI cards that use the same chipset (typically done using cards that share a chipset with the discrete video on the motherboard of some other Mac), and they will sometimes (but not always) work. I think you might still have to have an OF-supported video card installed
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Doing some very light research, the Apple Display Connector is DVI plus power plus USB. It uses the same pin arrangement but a different shield (round ends instead of trapezoidal) to prevent you plugging in a normal DVI to the custom socket and blowing something up.
If all you need to do is adapt the mac ADC port to DVI, then you just need a passive adapter.
Or toss the video card in the trash and buy a replacement video card that has a DVI port instead of ADC. I think this connector was used only on G4 and early G5 towers, and there were other video cards with DVI available for the latter at least, and maybe for the former.
Not so easy. IIRC, The video cards had to be able to run Open Firmware drivers on the card itself, and the supplies of those have pretty-much dried up long ago.
Well, yes and no. Obviously I meant a Mac version of those cards, but at least in Mac OS X, IIRC, you can often hack the drivers by changing the device matching dictionaries in the Info.plist files to force them to match against unsupported PCI cards that use the same chipset (typically done using cards that share a chipset with the discrete video on the motherboard of some other Mac), and they will sometimes (but not always) work. I think you might still have to have an OF-supported video card installed at the same time, and only a small subset of cards work, but it's still way larger than the subset of cards that have Open Firmware drivers in ROM.
Also, IIRC, a bunch of the Mac OS 9 drivers didn't actually care about vendor ID and similar, and "just worked" with generic PC versions of the cards. But I might be confusing it with ATA cards there. I remember using non-Mac versions of both at various times over the years. :-)
I think you're right about cards under Mac OS (Classic). Things were much simpler, when dinosaurs (and Motorola!) ruled the earth, and computers ran on Whale Oil.
IIRC, The issue with not having embedded (Flashed) OF Drivers onboard lies mainly in not being able to see any video output until the actual peripheral Drivers got loaded; i.e, when the Background shifts from Grey to Blue on a modern Mac running OS X, and when the video reinitializes with the final resolution and bit depth with Mac OS (Classic). Th
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Doing some very light research, the Apple Display Connector is DVI plus power plus USB. It uses the same pin arrangement but a different shield (round ends instead of trapezoidal) to prevent you plugging in a normal DVI to the custom socket and blowing something up.
If all you need to do is adapt the mac ADC port to DVI, then you just need a passive adapter.
Or toss the video card in the trash and buy a replacement video card that has a DVI port instead of ADC. I think this connector was used only on G4 and early G5 towers, and there were other video cards with DVI available for the latter at least, and maybe for the former.
Not so easy. IIRC, The video cards had to be able to run Open Firmware drivers on the card itself, and the supplies of those have pretty-much dried up long ago.
Well, yes and no. Obviously I meant a Mac version of those cards, but at least in Mac OS X, IIRC, you can often hack the drivers by changing the device matching dictionaries in the Info.plist files to force them to match against unsupported PCI cards that use the same chipset (typically done using cards that share a chipset with the discrete video on the motherboard of some other Mac), and they will sometimes (but not always) work. I think you might still have to have an OF-supported video card installed at the same time, and only a small subset of cards work, but it's still way larger than the subset of cards that have Open Firmware drivers in ROM.
Also, IIRC, a bunch of the Mac OS 9 drivers didn't actually care about vendor ID and similar, and "just worked" with generic PC versions of the cards. But I might be confusing it with ATA cards there. I remember using non-Mac versions of both at various times over the years. :-)
I think you're right about cards under Mac OS (Classic). Things were much simpler, when dinosaurs (and Motorola!) ruled the earth, and computers ran on Whale Oil.
IIRC, The issue with not having embedded (Flashed) OF Drivers onboard lies mainly in not being able to see any video output until the actual peripheral Drivers got loaded; i.e, when the Background shifts from Grey to Blue on a modern Mac running OS X, and when the video reinitializes with the final resolution and bit depth with Mac OS (Classic). That's where you're remembering the "having two video cards" workaround for using "PC-flashed" video cards comes from.
I personally never got that desperate!
More than good enough for a second screen, particularly when you're a poor grad student. :-)
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More than good enough for a second screen, particularly when you're a poor grad student. :-)
Indeed!
Re:wow (Score:4, Interesting)
The passive adapter (ADC-M to DVI-F) is the one going for $200 and up, that they want Belkin to restart production on, or people to check their junk drawers and sell if they aren't using them.
The active adapter (DVI-M plus USB, to ADC-F), ironically, is the one that only costs $40, which is what you're probably seeing on eBay.
The problem is the passive adapter is the one you need to use old computers with new monitors.
The active adapter is the one you would need to use old monitors (which get power and usb through the connector, in addition to DVI video signal) with new video cards.
I had the same reaction when I first started looking, but then noticed the cheap ones were DVI to ADC... and the expensive ones were ADC to DVI.
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The passive adapter (ADC-M to DVI-F) is the one going for $200 and up, that they want Belkin to restart production on, or people to check their junk drawers and sell if they aren't using them.
The active adapter (DVI-M plus USB, to ADC-F), ironically, is the one that only costs $40, which is what you're probably seeing on eBay.
The problem is the passive adapter is the one you need to use old computers with new monitors.
The active adapter is the one you would need to use old monitors (which get power and usb through the connector, in addition to DVI video signal) with new video cards.
I had the same reaction when I first started looking, but then noticed the cheap ones were DVI to ADC... and the expensive ones were ADC to DVI.
Yeah, the ADC-M Connector itself is long-ago Unobtanium. I looked into this several years ago, and they were already gone.
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Nun-y'all gettin' yur grubby mits on mah cable tubs!!
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From the article, it's just a passive connector so this is really just an adapter, I wouldn't even call it a dongle. Learn how to strip some wires and make your own if you really want to keep using your awful early-2000s Apple technology.
Some bearded hipster just spat out his green chai with Himalayan pink kosher sea salt infusion at the mere suggestion that he should dare to get his hands dirty with "wiring". He uses an old Apple because he needs to show he's superior to you and your wire-stripping peasantry.
Re:wow (Score:5, Informative)
The problem is obtaining the male ADC connector itself. If you could buy one of those, you could wire it to a DVI cable.
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Isn't the ADC connector just a DVI connector wired differently to include things like power to the monitor, etc..?
Re:wow (Score:5, Informative)
ADC is a 30-pin and DVI is a 24-pin. You can coax an old projector DVI standard DVI-M1 into fitting a ADC port. So if you had to rip heads, DVI-M1 is a start. Minus that, best to press your own with epoxy or 3D printing if you're into that new age stuff. However, I don't know anywhere off bat to find the metrics for spacing and what not, I'm going to guess seeing how DVI-M1 fits mostly that the spacing is the standard 1.905mm across 10 units for 17.145mm (there's 0.9525mm on either side of the 1 and 10 pin on DVI-M1, so 1.905mm*9 [massive air quotes] basically [end quotes]) for the the full width. [highlighting_here] (ISH) [end_of_highlight], I do know that the time I did it for a friend the pins needed a bit of "coaxing" to slide into the port on the monitor, so either I suck at cutting heads and squeezed too hard (which is very likely) or DVI-M1 and ADC aren't "prefect interchanges" (also likely).
But that said, that's been years ago. If you can find a ADC head, you can literally just follow this guide. [lookanotherblog.com] No need to bake your own heads. And also, don't quote me on shit here, because the time I did all of this was under the influence while hanging with friends and was basically an awesome way to find out that you shouldn't use a soldering gun while that far removed from a clear mind. Or maybe that's exactly when you should use one if you don't mind nicking your finger a few times. I don't know, I'm just relying personal experience here, there are no refunds if this advice leads to your toaster trying to kill you in your sleep.
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However, I don't know anywhere off bat to find the metrics for spacing and what not, ...
If you have the female connector, you don't need the metrics. Cut some lengths of stiff wire, stick them in the female connector, solder your cable to the ends sticking out, then dunk the soldered ends in some epoxy to hold it together.
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Thanks for the clarification. I didn't realize there was a 30 vs 24 pin difference.
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3d printing exists.
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In the past there were similar problems getting the DB-19 connectors that were used on Apple's 5.25" and 3.5" external floppy disc drives and cables - and some NeXT and Atari computers. Then somebody had the bright idea of brewing up some mechanical drawings and paying a Chinese manufacturer to make a batch of 10,000 of them.
Why can't they do that here?
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Re:wow (Score:5, Funny)
I am begging the auto manufacturing community to start making the 1967 Shelby Cobra again. I am in desperate need of this car, but the resellers charge ridiculous amounts of money for this increasingly rare and difficult to find vehicle.
Re:wow (Score:4, Informative)
I like this analogy, but if you ever do want a Cobra for some reason, there are kits for like $25K
https://www.shellvalley.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=414/category_id=152/mode=prod/prd414.htm
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I am begging the auto manufacturing community to start making the 1967 Shelby Cobra again. I am in desperate need of this car, but the resellers charge ridiculous amounts of money for this increasingly rare and difficult to find vehicle.
You can get 67 Shelby Cobra replicas. You can even get parts for the originals.
When there is a demand, companies move to fill the demand. When demand is low, prices tend to reflect a higher cost to manufacture.
This is like asking people to make a replacement instrument cluster for a 1997 Fiat Seicento that measures in yards, but you know, I don't want to pay for a custom job.
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I just need to get Edelbrock to cast a few more Scorpion intake manifolds. They're gettin' kinda expensive at swapmeets.
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/... [jalopyjournal.com]
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Parts availability for old stuff is an issue (Score:3)
The same thing happens with old car parts. It's even more frustrating in that situation, because old cars still work just fine for their original purpose (whereas old computers progressively become less and less capable of dealing with modern software and web design standards) and it's significantly more costly to buy a new car versus buying a new computer.
I think the major difference though, is that yeah, most people tinkering with old computers are doing so as a hobby. Someone who needs a hard-to-get pa
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Depends on the vintage. The older the vehicle in question, the more likely it is to be someone's hobby and not a daily driver.
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I mean, it could be a '99 corolla...(31 city / 38 highway) but parts for those are still relatively easy to get last I checked. Donor frames are a little harder to find because anything that is legal to put back on the road usually get fixed for driving because they are fairly reliable and get good gas mileage.
Time to start haunting estate sales, storage unit auctions, and government auctions of old equipment for those rare "vintage" adapters? Or I guess you could maybe crowdfund a limited run, using some
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I mean... it really looks like you can take a hacksaw to a DVI-M, lop off the metal shell on one side where Apple added the extra pins for power and USB, and either lop off the other side where the oval shape of the apple version would interfere, or attempt to use some sort of metal bending tool to stretch the grounding shell to fit?
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This is like if my dad staged a protest to have parts for a 1946 Hudson Straight Six just because he happened to have one as a hobby. Instead, he learned to machine the shit he needed, or found people that will make one-offs in the rare case he didn't have the tools.
Nobody cares what obscure shit you're into. Nobody's going to waste time and money on your hobby but you. Deal.
If you gots weird hobbies, learn to do it yourself or you're always going to be disappointed.
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And I will make a petition for Sony to come back to computer business and make a extended battery for a Sony Vaio P, or the pointer stick, at least, or a new product with similar form factor. I wonder why there are no similar products, I mean a computer small enough to fit in your pocket with a physical keyboard with which you can type efficiently.
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Nevermind the Sony Vaio, I want a modern processor and cell modem in a Sharp Zaurus form factor!
Running Arch Linux, please. With open firmware. And a developers' wiki. And an advertising budget to attract enough developers to fill the wiki for me.
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Oh, no I meant the vertical phone-shaped Zaurus SL 5500 [amazon.com], like an extra-tall blackberry. The thumb keyboard was surprisingly good; better than a blackberry and infinitely better than a touchscreen keypad. I could actually code on it at a reasonable speed, and it had all the standard PC keyboard punctuation characters available as function-combos. If I had a year of free time and nothing better to do, I would retrofit a PinePhone board into the SL 5500 shell just to have a cell phone with that keyboard.
The
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Nevermind the Sony Vaio, I want a modern processor and cell modem in a Sharp Zaurus form factor!
Running Arch Linux, please. With open firmware. And a developers' wiki. And an advertising budget to attract enough developers to fill the wiki for me.
And a pony! And a pot of gold! And puppies and kittens and clouds of cotton candy!
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Why is this contemptible? Are they asking the manufacturers to provide it *for free*?
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it's almost like a bunch of privileged nerds are so lazy and cheap that they want a manufacturer to burn money in order to give their stupid hobby a lifeline
it's literally just two connectors with some wires in between. if there's electronics in it, rip one open, document it, put the schematic online. then make your own.
or stop using old obscure hardware
or pay for it like everyone else with a rare expensive hobby
why is this newsworthy?
As I recall, the sticking point is finding the ADC connector itself.
What about community solutions? (Score:3)
I'm part of a much smaller retrocomputing community focused on an older line of home PCs (The Tandy/RS Color Computer series).
We have a few different options for connecting these old systems to modern monitors, all designed and sold by community members. They are all under $100 afaik.
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Re:What about community solutions? (Score:5, Interesting)
Yup, same with the Atari 8-bit community. There are several options to get DVI out from the old Ataris.
For one solution, someone designed and ordered small custom circuit boards that are the same dimensions as the old 40-pin chips. The board is populated with a FPGA and other chips and plugs into the socket for the GTIA graphics chip. The FPGA re-implements the chip it replaces and the board includes a header for wires to a DVI connector.
Of course, the community ran into problems when supply chain issues resulted in small projects like this having trouble getting them built.
But, yeah, the community may need to step up and build new parts. With 3-D printing, obsolete connectors aren't a problem; people print Atari cartridge cases and SIO connectors. The biggest problem is having someone in the community with the time and knowledge to make it happen, which depends in large part on how large the community is.
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Ahh, good old George and his television interface adapter. Do they use a different name (other than Candy of course)?
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CTIA was simply "Color Television Interface Adapter," which was a huge upgrade from the TIA used in the 2600. GTIA was officially "Graphics TIA" but unofficially "George." CTIA and GTIA were pin-compatible 40-pin chips. Apparently GTIA was ready when the Atari 400/800 were released, but they had a stockpile of CTIA chips to run through first. Personally, I think they should have done GTIA on the 800 and CTIA on the 400.
Later on, Atari developed a 60 pin CGIA which was a combination of Antic and GTIA in
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Yeah, I know - we had an Atari 400 that was one of the first that shipped with GTIA. IIRC it might have been one of the ones that shipped with 16K RAM as well, but either way, Dad upgraded it to the max, a whopping 48K. I think that cost like $300-350 in 1981 1982!
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For one solution, someone designed and ordered small custom circuit boards that are the same dimensions as the old 40-pin chips. The board is populated with a FPGA and other chips and plugs into the socket for the GTIA graphics chip. The FPGA re-implements the chip it replaces and the board includes a header for wires to a DVI connector.
This, exactly this, is the sort of stuff I want to read on Slashdot. That project sounds like a serious technical and engineering challenge, and I'm duly impressed that someone managed to pull it off.
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Yup, my Ti/99 needs a graphics adapter. Just have to solder one up: https://tms-rgb.com/ [tms-rgb.com]
News just in... (Score:2)
Obsolete stuff is hard to maintain
If you think this is hard, try maintaining old drum memory
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Usagi Electric is doing it on YouTube. Looks like fun!
Like I'm going to trust memory from a company named "rabbit".
Interesting... (Score:1)
They've got it backwards! (Score:5, Funny)
Like every proprietary Apple technology, this connector is *better* than whatever drek comes on standard PCs.
These users shouldn't be settling for kludges that adapt to inferior commodity PC connections. Instead, they need Apple to start making the superior ADC displays again, so that the users' retinas can experience the image quality they deserve!
I’m sure that the major manufacturers (Score:3)
This Made My Day (Score:4, Funny)
Apple users complaining about their own stupidity. Carry on.
ADC to VGA (Score:1)
BUILD ONE! (Score:5, Informative)
Fucking eh, took me ten seconds on Google to find someone who has already built one [lookanotherblog.com] for about $35 in parts. And it's not like the wiring for ADC to DVI is some impossible to understand thing. There's already a pinout for the two up. [pinoutguide.com]
This is the deal with vintage hardware. If you want to keep old shit, you're going to have to learn something about wiring, maybe software, and so forth. Basically, if you want to keep old shit around, you're going to have to become your own support team. I swear, some Apple users.
Re:BUILD ONE! (Score:4, Insightful)
Fucking eh, took me ten seconds on Google to find someone who has already built one [lookanotherblog.com] for about $35 in parts. And it's not like the wiring for ADC to DVI is some impossible to understand thing. There's already a pinout for the two up. [pinoutguide.com]
That blog post is thirteen years old. The trick nowadays is getting the male ADC connector, which are no longer available. Making a new one would be very hard without the proper tooling or some expensive prototyping machines.
Agreed, though: Collecting vintage computing gear may involve sourcing rare, expensive things.
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That blog post is thirteen years old. The trick nowadays is getting the male ADC connector, which are no longer available. Making a new one would be very hard without the proper tooling or some expensive prototyping machines.
From what I could find, the ADC connector looks like a normal DVI connector with a different shell, and some latching. Given that the shell doesn't need to be 100% intact in order to function both mechanically and electrically, it wouldn't seem such a big task to modify a DVI connector to fit ADC for someone who is able to rewire them so the signals match. Without one to try it myself, it sure looks like if you cut off the short ends of the shell, and maybe nibble off a little more, put a crease in the mi
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The ADC connector has more pins, but the extra pins (assuming you tried to re-use a DVI connector aligned from the analog pins) are for power and USB, which would not be relevant for connecting a retro mac to a modern monitor anyway. You may need to rip off the shield and dremel away a bit of the plastic from the DVI connector, but other than that, as long as the pin spacing is the same (I can't tell, it looks like it might be) then you should be able to modify a DVI connector to fit and wire it up to adapt
Re:BUILD ONE! (Score:4, Informative)
From what I could find, the ADC connector looks like a normal DVI connector with a different shell, and some latching.
You'd be wrong. Different pins size, different pin numbers, different spacing, different shell, different latching mechanism. About the only thing that is the same is that both connectors contain metal, PVC, and wiring.
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Find out where all the dead/broken Apple Cinema Displays landed up in the ewaste stream and cut off the connector from those.
Great idea, 20 years ago.
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Fucking eh, took me ten seconds on Google to find someone who has already built one [lookanotherblog.com] for about $35 in parts.
Good, now try and actually do it. Follow the instructions and let's see how far you get. Hint: Start with the fact that he's buying a ADC connector from a surplus electronics shop which ... doesn't sell them anymore (which isn't a surprise since the blog was published in 2010).
Now actually go and look for an ADC connector. Not just a listing, but one that is listed "in stock". Then look at the price and suddenly you may realise what TFS is actually about.
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Good, now try and actually do it.
LOL Have done so. Actually have done a 16-bit CPU with TTL on protoboard back before wire wrapping was bespoke. I've restored a Revox A700 with their wonderful Frako capacitors that are always so nice to all the components beside them. So doing up a ADC with some smashed AWG20 and epoxy would be a cake walk.
Hint: Start with the fact that he's buying a ADC connector from a surplus electronics shop which ... doesn't sell them anymore
LOL. You can cross over a DVI-M1 projector head, but fuck it, for real hair on your chest just get the slanted stabs and do it yourself. But if you really want to avoid baking it yourself, DVI-M1 w
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LOL Have done so.
Stop using past tense. I asked you to do it now. TFA is about now, not when you did your little project sometime back.
Seriously? I've got a pretty fucking good idea what it's about.
Clearly you don't. Posting to a 13 year old article which proves the point given that the source of the connector doesn't offer it anymore. The connectors are selling for 150EUR upwards where in stock.
Get a clue.
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Posting to a 13 year old article which proves the point given that the source of the connector doesn't offer it anymore
As I already indicated, you can use a DVI-M1 to make do if you don't want to 3D print or pour your own. Like I said, if they can't do bear basics for vintage computing, this ain't a hobby for them. If they choke on the inability to have a header for a passive connector, fuck they're boned should they need to do a swap on any of the caps on the board or if EEPROM bits start flipping. This kind of shit is maintaining old hardware 101 and they can't even do it.
Get a clue
You've clearly never had to actually maintain o
I got a drawer full of those things! (Score:2)
Had no idea. I'm going to make some money and a lot of Mac nerds happy (That's what? 10 of them?) by discounting it at least 50% off of that crazy $250 price point!
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It's good of you to part with them for the betterment of the collectors.
(take your wife on a nice three-day vacation and credit tech hoarding!)
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no they are not going for that much, I looked on ebay there's oodles of them and the official Apple adapters that sold for 20-40 bucks. I don't know where this hack cherry picked their one example, but from the picture it looks like a scam page, probably selling portable air conditioners and free energy devices
now 20-40 bucks for a passive adapter still isn't bad... but
Vintage computer needs a vintage monitor (Score:1)
Why are you trying to connect it to a modern one in the first place? There must be one that still works or could be repaired sitting in a barn or recycle shop.
Redmond Cable is missed (Score:2)
Too bad Redmond Cable are no longer around, they would have whipped one up for folks for 1/10th the going rate.
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Hence why they're "no longer around".
For real?! (Score:2)
I have a whole Bacardi Rum box full of those stupid things. Guess they're not so stupid now. I should go digging.