Brazilian Regulator Seizes iPhones From Retail Stores as Apple Fails To Comply With Charger Requirement (9to5mac.com) 184
The Brazilian Ministry of Justice ordered in September the suspension of iPhone sales in the country after concluding that Apple harms consumers by not offering the power adapter included with the device. Even after million-dollar fines, Apple still fails to comply with the requirement -- which has now led to the Federal District-based consumer protection regulator seizing iPhones from retail stores. From a report: As first reported by Tecnoblog, Procon-DF has seized "hundreds of iPhones in different retail stores in Brasilia," the capital of Brazil. In an action named "Operation Discharge," the regulator aims to force Apple to comply with local law that requires smartphones to be shipped with the charger included in the box.
According to the report, the iPhones were seized at carrier stores and authorized Apple resellers. The regulator has ordered the banning of any iPhone model that lacks the charger included in the box. Although Apple stopped shipping the accessory for free with iPhone 12, the company also updated iPhone 11 with a new, more compact box without the charger. After the iPhones were seized, Apple Brazil requested the government to allow sales of the smartphone in the country until the final decision of the dispute. The company told Tecnoblog that it continues to sell iPhones in Brazil despite the operation.
According to the report, the iPhones were seized at carrier stores and authorized Apple resellers. The regulator has ordered the banning of any iPhone model that lacks the charger included in the box. Although Apple stopped shipping the accessory for free with iPhone 12, the company also updated iPhone 11 with a new, more compact box without the charger. After the iPhones were seized, Apple Brazil requested the government to allow sales of the smartphone in the country until the final decision of the dispute. The company told Tecnoblog that it continues to sell iPhones in Brazil despite the operation.
Seems stupid to me (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm not against people getting a charger with their phone. But why has the charger got to be actually in the box with the phone as opposed to being supplied with it in the ticket price?
How many different wall sockets are there in the world? You have to supply an adapter plug for all of the world's wall sockets in every single phone box? Bigger boxes! More costs for everybody! Everybody has to pay for every adapter plug even though they only need one! Nonsense!
Just supply a locally appropriate charger in a s
Re:Seems stupid to me (Score:4, Insightful)
Since it's Brazil, my guess is that it has something to do with them not being able to stop their own vendors charging extra and lying about it if it's in a separate box.
Re:Seems stupid to me (Score:5, Interesting)
From what I read the issue is that if you sell something that requires accessories to work in Brazil, you must indicate that clearly on the box and in advertising. It was designed to stop vendors hiding the true cost of ownership and locking consumers into buying expensive accessories, which to be fair is a major part of Apple's business model.
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Sounds like you need to use free cycle or a neighborhood social media group to give them away to those who can use them
Seems stupid to me (because I don't live in Brazil (Score:2)
Do you live in Brazil?
It's nice you have all this crap in your house ("Do you know how many of those single USB-A wall warts I have littering my house because they came with the iPhone? I simply dont use single socket chargers. I have charging hubs. When I travel I have a 4port thats 110/220 and has adapters for a few european plugs as well as North America (keeps an outlet free on a cruise when you can use the euro port). I dont do monotask
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From what I read the issue is that if you sell something that requires accessories to work in Brazil, you must indicate that clearly on the box and in advertising. It was designed to stop vendors hiding the true cost of ownership and locking consumers into buying expensive accessories, which to be fair is a major part of Apple's business model.
As an Apple product user - which exact expensive accessories have I been forced to buy from Apple?
I have a Logitech wireless mouse, a Logitech wired gamer keyboard, Bose Bluetooth headphones, Sharp 42 inch second monitor. A Dell USB-C to USB/HDMI/Ethernet adapter to power the Sharp Monitor, two non-Apple TByte HDs for backup and a Western Digital Passport for transferring large files a Monsoon computer speaker system and a UE bluetooth floating speaker for when I want music in the hot tub, and several o
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The classic one used to be cables. Apple used software updates to stop 3rd party cables from working properly, so e.g. Lightning cables would charge slowly. It was officially done for "safety" in case those cables couldn't handle an amp or two. Same with the chargers, before being forced to accept USB C they kept changing the way chargers communicated their capabilities.
That is not answering my question though. You prefer the no update android model? I have a few tablets that the OS you get on it at purchase, is the OS you have when you get rid of it.
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Reasonable [Re:Seems stupid to me] (Score:4, Insightful)
Seems reasonable to me that there might be a law in some countries saying that if you buy something, what you buy should be an operational product, with no caveat "this doesn't actually work as we sold it, you need to pay for some other stuff from us to be able to use it."
"Thanks for buying your new car! By the way, would you like wheels on it? We can sell you wheels for another ten thousand dollars. No, of course we don't provide wheels with the car. Why would you think that? Our company policy is that since everybody has a bunch of spare wheels around their house, they should just find an adaptor so you can fit your old wheels to our proprietary bolt standards. Everybody should have adaptors.
"What, you don't have the right wheel adaptor? No problem. Cash or charge?"
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"Thanks for buying your new car! By the way, would you like gas with it?"
If you buy a car without wheels, isn't that's on you for not reading the specifications before paying for it?
Re: Reasonable [Re:Seems stupid to me] (Score:2)
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what you buy should be an operational product
What you should buy is something clearly described to you. Pissing about whether a charger should be included or not is completely irrelevant. What is important is that the purchases *knows beyond any doubt* whether the charger is included.
You want to be really pro-consumer, then make everything optional and make it clear. Yeah maybe I don't want wheels on my car because I prefer these other ones I'll buy separately rather than the cheap shit included ones.
Same with a charger. I don't want some crappy inclu
Re: Reasonable [Re:Seems stupid to me] (Score:3)
Re: Reasonable [Re:Seems stupid to me] (Score:2)
More like a hammer that looks right in the box but when opened is not connected to the handle and requires another purchase of a special star-shaped pin that is needed to secure the hammer to the handle.
When you get home with the special star shaped pin, it wont fit your screwdriver and requires their one-off star-pin torque device.
3 purchases actually needed to function, but they advertise the first box price only.
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As if. customer in Brazil is unable to figure if a box was opened already and the charger is "gone".
Or the police for that matter is unable to figure.
Must hurt to live in a third world country and being of the impression, that all the other countries around are on an even lower level of development.
Re:Seems stupid to me (Score:4, Insightful)
You have to supply an adapter plug for all of the world's wall sockets in every single phone box? Bigger boxes!
Congratulations, that is the stupidest thing I have read all day, and I've just gotten out of an all day workshop with Test management, so that's saying something.
When Apple shipped their phones with chargers, they didn't include each power outlet type. Why would they have to now?
Beyond stupid.
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My guess is Apple will tie this requirement to the EU requirement that all mobile phones sold in the EU must use USB-C starting in 2024 and include a new adapter with their next phone model. https://apple.slashdot.org/sto... [slashdot.org]
Since Apple wasn't happy about being forced to comply with the EU's or Brasil's requirements, I can imagine they might still pull some shenanigans like either limiting the charging speed on non-Apple adapters, or limiting the data transfer rate on the USB-C port to USB-2 speeds as sugge
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The idiotic thing is that newish iPhones all use usb-c. The connector is different, so you need a different cable. I have lots of lightning cables that will become useless.
USB-C is the connector. So in fact, it *cannot* be USB-C with a different connector. That's, by definition, not USB-C.
All iPhones since the iPhone 5 use Lightning, and none use USB-C.
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the MFi cable (Yes, the cable. The phone is incapable of USB-PD signaling) is capable of asking for 9V, and 9V only, which limits you to 27W. In practice however, tests show they will not pull more than 2.4A @ 9V (~22W). Which makes sense, since that's all they ever designed the Lightning cables to do (Apple's previous proprietary fast-charging standard was also limited to 2.4A)
Further, no iPhone on the planet can charge at 19W on a USB-A port. They are limited
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You are wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Well you can blame Apple for not using a non standard cable in the first place.
But you do know that you can get a Lightning to USB-C adapter?
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Modern iPhones come with a USB-C to Lightning cable.
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Zero iPhones ship with USB-C.
iPad Pros do, though.
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Of course, what you may mean here, to the confusion of anyone with more than 6 brain cells to rub together, is that your iPhone XR uses a Lightning-to-USB-C charging cable. Which you could literally always do- USB2 can be pumped over USB-C just fine.
It's not actually USB-C though. You're still limited to MFi USB2 charging rates, and USB data rates.
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USB-C is a specification for a physical plug and socket. The spec for USB power delivery is a different thing. So the modern charging cable has a USB-C plug on one end and it is compatible with any USB-C socket.
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USB-C is a specification for a physical plug and socket.
Yes, it is.
The spec for USB power delivery is a different thing.
No, it's not. It's tied to USB-C connectors. It requires communications channels that do not exist in prior USB connectors (or lightning connectors)
So the modern charging cable has a USB-C plug on one end and it is compatible with any USB-C socket.
Yes, the cable does.
Which makes it particularly inappropriate to say:
The idiotic thing is that newish iPhones all use usb-c.
By that reasoning, the 20 year old flash drive I just plugged in "uses usb-c"
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By that reasoning, the 20 year old flash drive I just plugged in "uses usb-c"
Strange reasoning.
How do you actually plug/put a 20 year old USB flash drive into an USV-C slot?
I'm pretty sure: you can't.
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Strange reasoning.
Oh, Angelo. Sometimes I wonder if you've had a massive stroke before logging int your slashdot account.
Let's follow the logic:
Person A claims that iPhones "support USB-C" because they can use a Lightning-to-USB-C cable.
Ergo, by that reasoning, if I use a USB-A-to-USB-C cable, my 20 year old flash drive just plugged into a USB-C slot.
So, to put this another way:
How do you actually plug/put a 20 year old USB flash drive into an USV-C slot?
The same way you do an iPhone.
I'm pretty sure: you can't.
Exactly.
More coffee before you post, my man. More coffee.
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You are flat out wrong.
Nope.
As a number of folk have pointed out, USB-C is purely a physical spec and does not say anything about power delivery, signalling, or even pin usage.
Jesus. The confidence with which you state this completely incorrect information.
This is easily verified with a quick search.
Oh, I agree. Why didn't you do it?
Obviously the USB-C spec has an upper current limit due to the physics of the pin electrical contact area and pin gauge but the spec for USB power delivery is NOT in USB-C.
The USB 3.2 pin-usage for USB-C connectors, is actually contained *within* the USB-C specification. As you note, anyone can download this and verify that you're talking out of your fucking ass.
I'm just going to quote the literal specification, now.
This specification is intended as a supplement to the existing USB 2.0, USB 3.2, USB4 and USB Power Delivery specifications. It addresses only the elements required to implement and support the USB Type-C receptacles, plugs and cables.
It is absolutely true that the USB-C specification is just about the physical connector.
However, there are unique features of USB 3.2 and U
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It is USB-C at the wall socket end of the cable and Lightning at the phone end of the cable.
EU law will require it to be USB-C at the phone end of the cable.
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Seems like the EU must have cured all of the other problems in the world that they can have rageboners about connections to cellphones.
Don't be stupid.
One need not cure all other problems in the world, in order to cure an arbitrary one of them.
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Seems like the EU must have cured all of the other problems in the world that they can have rageboners about connections to cellphones.
Don't be stupid.
I've made a career out of being stupid.
One need not cure all other problems in the world, in order to cure an arbitrary one of them.
As a person who knows I am stupid - perhaps you could see it in your heart to educate me.
What exact problem is this fixing? All it does for me is to force me to buy a lot more more adapters and cables, while not providing one increase of anything.
I cannot find one thing that aids me, only inconveniences me. My vehicles all have the forbidden connectors, My Macs all have the forbidden connectors. My furniture has the forbidden connectors. Am I an edge case? Alon
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As a person who knows I am stupid - perhaps you could see it in your heart to educate me.
Gladly.
What exact problem is this fixing? All it does for me is to force me to buy a lot more more adapters and cables, while not providing one increase of anything.
That is not all it does, it also ensures that all of your devices going forward will requires less adapters, because "1 adapter will fit all", with all future phones*.
You're free to argue that this isn't something that matters to you- and I'm completely sympathetic to that viewpoint.
I understand why people are pissed off about this.
But that isn't what this post was about.
It was about you make a really bad argument to support your political viewpoint.
My Macs all have the forbidden connectors.
What Mac do you own that has a non-USB-C USB p
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For the android users who are celebrating that they got to put one to their archenemy - remember, now the EU can control your phones too, as there is case law and precedent.
What would make you think that Android users do not want a common standard for their devices?
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The connector is different
The law exclusively covers the connector and support for USB-PD. You can do what you want beyond this with the connector, but the connector needs to be in place.
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The iPhone supports USB2, and does not support USB-PD, and does not support 3A power input, meaning it doesn't even support any USB-C specific features.
Apple has hacked in USB-PD "support" via the E75 MFi chip in the Lightning-to-USB-C cable, though.
But that's a bit of a stretch for claiming that the phone supports it.
Since the Lightning connector can't talk over the CC cha
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\o/
I have roughly 10 Apple devices.
And no dongle!
Yay!
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As the person you replied to used it, yes, yes you do.
They're using it as "anything that converts incompatible signals".
That includes your Lightning-to-USB-C cable.
Lightning is fundamentally incompatible with USB-C signaling. That's why it's handled by the E75 MFi chip that's bonded to the inside of the connector on the cable.
It's a fancy looking dongle, I'll grant you that, but a dongle it is nonetheless.
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That would be commercially idiotic. Companies tend to not fuck their customers to make political points. They fuck customers to make money.
If someone goes "Well this iphone takes 18 hours to charge, thats useless, I'll buy a Samsung instead" then all apple has gained is a lost customer AND a regulator having to make FURTHER regulations to forbid further scheming.
Microsoft learned this one the hard way in the tail end of the browser wars. All they gained from intransigence against regulators was losing almos
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starting in 2024 and include a new adapter with their next phone model. ...
And why would require that a new adaptor
Facepalm ...
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I'm not against people getting a charger with their phone. But why has the charger got to be actually in the box with the phone as opposed to being supplied with it in the ticket price?
How many different wall sockets are there in the world? You have to supply an adapter plug for all of the world's wall sockets in every single phone box? Bigger boxes! More costs for everybody! Everybody has to pay for every adapter plug even though they only need one! Nonsense!
Just supply a locally appropriate charger in a separate box with the phone purchase for Pete's sake.
True, one should just get price reduction on this bundle if you don't need a charger and elect to skip it or, alternatively, be able to exercise the option to get a device case instead? I must have close to a couple of dozen still functional chargers of different Watt values from defunct Apple and Android devices that are still perfectly usable. I use some of them to charge or power all kinds of gizmos from Raspberry PI projects through power banks, ear plugs and headphones to rechargeable AAA batteries for
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Just supply a locally appropriate charger in a separate box with the phone purchase for Pete's sake.
Sounds like a horrible idea to me. I have tens of unused adapters lying around and really don't want or need any more than I already have. These days, shipping a charger with a phone is totally ridiculous. Soon laptops and all other battery-powered devices with a USB-C connector will join that club. Brazil seems to be doing the exact opposite of what would be common sense: forbid tying accessory sales to phone sales.
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Sounds like a horrible idea to me. I have tens of unused adapters lying around and really don't want or need any more than I already have. These days, shipping a charger with a phone is totally ridiculous.
Well, yes, it's ridiculous. I guess Apple should just increase the prices and glue a charger to the box. And give you some money back if you return an unopened charger.
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It's not just phones though is it.
I have all sorts of devices that take power through USB-C and many of them came with chargers. Most of those chargers are sitting in a drawer somewhere because I only really need to use two or three simultaneously.
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Spoken like someone that makes way too many assumptions and does not have a clue what they're talking about.
I have a family of 5. We almost exclusively use refurbished or second hand phones which tend not to last as long as you obnoxious know-it-all new phone buyers may be used to. And even refurbished phones are shipped with brand new chargers without exception. Over the 20 years or so that we will be a family of 5 living in a single house, we're likely to accumulate about 50-80 chargers from phones alone,
Wireless (Score:2)
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How many different wall sockets are there in the world?
Two or three. And they are all compatible with simple chargers.
You have to supply an adapter plug for all of the world's wall sockets in every single phone box?
Simple answer: nope.
Complex answer: you supply a connector fitting to the country you sell your device in.
Simple.
Just supply a locally appropriate charger in a separate box with the phone purchase for Pete's sake.
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That is exactly what the law is asking for. But: no charger in the box
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No, the problem is that Apple wasn't including any charger in the ticket price. The charger is extra, and in Brazil it's not cheap.
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What's the slowest charger? (Score:2)
Next step, include the slowest charger that will still work with the iPhone.
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Next step, include the slowest charger that will still work with the iPhone.
I recall Apple doing this before to appease consumer expectations and/or government requirements of a phone coming with a charger in the box. As a result I had a somewhat large collection of 5 watt USB-A chargers. I pared that stockpile down by giving away a few, tossing out a few more that failed, and I'm now down to just one or two. I learned to have a spare charger on hand ever since I had a panic over a dead laptop charger many years ago, the lesson was that a spare charger was cheap insurance agains
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Or, simply pull iPhones out of Brazil (Apple already has a supply chain shorta
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Oh that is evil. I like it. Do you work for a cable company by any chance?
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determine how much people are actually willing to pay for the latest iPhone in Brazil.
iPhones, except for the still sold, cheapest of the cheapest, yesteryear model, are already extraordinarily expensive in Brazil. They're considered luxury items that people buy either because they absolutely love Apple (the minority), or to show off how much money they have (the majority). For a basic affordability comparison, an iPhone 14 Pro Max 512 GB is priced 12,150 BRL here, which, at our minimum wage of 5.50 BRL/hr, means 2,200 hours of work. That's as if that same model had a price tag of $16,500 do
Just nonsense (Score:2)
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One wonders how they do that.
I didn't think there was a standard (though there are several proprietary extensions) for offering more than 1.5A over USB-A.
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An iDevice will pull up to 2A over USB-A, IIRC, but only using special Apple signaling on the data lines (part of the MFi specification)
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Give me the device model, and I'll prove it with the documentation for it if I must.
If you mean your iPad and iPhones charger faster than they do on a non-MFi USB-A charger (which is generally limited to 900mA) then we have no disagreement.
If you're trying to imply that they're charging at 19W, and are faster than a normal MFi charger, then no, my theoretical knowledge isn't the problem- your be
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19W over USB-A
It's an Anker charger. They have been supplying 19Watt through a USB-A connector for ages. The complete charger has a limit of about 60Watt. The ports can supply 4x19 + 1x33 Watt as long as the power lasts.
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Something being able to pull it is another.
Unless you are using a device that supports Anker's PowerIQ, those USB-A ports are supplying you with a maximum of 1.5A (7.5W).
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those USB-A ports are supplying you with a maximum of 1.5A (7.5W).
That would be a voltage of 5V, which makes no sense.
Perhaps your "theoretical knowledge" is just fantasy?
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That would be a voltage of 5V, which makes no sense.
What the fuck are you talking about.
5V is the only voltage supported on USB-A, except for a couple of proprietary Qualcomm fast-charging protocols.
Apple's only USB-A fast-charging protocol is the MFi "2.4A" protocol, which is indeed limited to 5 fucking volts, as is all standard USB-A
Perhaps your "theoretical knowledge" is just fantasy?
No, you're just a fucking moron.
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One wonders how they do that.
9V @ 2.1A. Otherwise known as Qualcomm QC2.
USB's spec only ever really covered 5V at 0.5A. Everything else was a bolt-on until USB-PD was created. Incidentally USB-PD also existed before USB-C and also supported far higher charging speeds over USB-A.
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9V @ 2.1A. Otherwise known as Qualcomm QC2.
Ya- I suspected there was some kind of proprietary extension that allowed it.
Whatever it was, I knew it did not apply to his iDevices.
Incidentally USB-PD also existed before USB-C and also supported far higher charging speeds over USB-A.
Unsure how it could have.
It relies on binary communications over the CC channel- there is no such channel on USB-A.
That's why USB-A quick-charging hacks rely on bizarre voltage signaling on the D+/D- lines
Do you have a citation?
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There are different revisions of the USB power delivery spec, AFAIK revisions 1 was for USB A/B connectors, revision 2 supports both the legacy A/B and the new C while revisions 3.0 and 3.1 are for USB C connectors. To make things even more confusing each of the revisions seems to have versions, USB-IF are awful at naming things.
USB IF seem to put both revision 2.0 and revision 3.1 in the same zipfile https://www.usb.org/sites/defa... [usb.org] I have skimmed the specs at various times but not read them in detail.
My
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In practice though I don't think USB PD on A/B connectors was ever widely implemented. I suspect the requirement for special cables and connectors put manufacturers off.
I've definitely never encountered such a beast. Fascinating though.
I appreciate the good info.
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USB's spec only ever really covered 5V at 0.5A.
USB2.
USB3 supports up to 900mA for "high power devices", and 1.5A for BC (Battery Charging) mode- which is a "no-data" charging mode (requires putting a resistor across the data lines).
Brazil? [Re:Just nonsense] (Score:2)
I donâ(TM)t care about a charger in the box.
You live in Brazil: Yes/No
If you don't live in Brazil, why are you wasting my time jabbering about charger standards in Brazil?
I have a five port charger in the living room (four USB-A up to 19 Watt, one USB-C charger up to 33 Watt). In my study, I can plug the phone into a hub (7ports plus 3 charging ports), into a Mac, or into a monitor. In my care thereâ(TM)s a two port charger. A single port charger is just very inefficient. So in my living room, we can charge 2 iPhones and an iPad using only one wall plug instead of three, plus the charger has a two meter cable.
And do you think that this is typical of households in Brazil?
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I donâ(TM)t care about a charger in the box.
You should definitely tell the Brazilian regulators; I'm sure they didn't consider the fact that gnasher719 doesn't care about a charger in the box.
Forest for the trees (Score:5, Interesting)
Tech companies should not get a pass when they ignore legal restrictions on the basis of inconvenience or threat to profitability, irrespective of whether you think the regulation is a dumb idea. That behavior is the chief threat they pose.
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because Apple can charge more for a phone with a useless charger than for a phone without a useless charger.
They probably can't; after all, if the charger is useless, then buyers won't be willing to pay more for a phone+charger than they were for the phone. And presumably Apple is already charging what they think the market will bear for an iPhone in Brazil.
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Slashdot is no longer a libertarian haven. The "oh please Big Beother tell me how to live my life and what to do cradle to grave!" weaklings have taken over. They're not happy if the government isn't mandating some stupid shit of someone somewhere.
Have you actually read the comments?
Thie article we're discussing says "the government of Brazil has a law that companies can't sell a product that is missing a part required for the product to be function, and the slashdot comments are almost entirely "that evil government, putting requirements on a product!" (except for the tangent discussion "let's argue about the standards for connections, cables, and voltages".)
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Apple didn't take this to court only after their products were seized. Apple had an open court case on this and asked the court to hold off enforcement until the matter was settled. The court rejected this request or the police acted on seizures prematurely.
I have to wonder if Apple was alone in this. Were other phones seized as well for failure to comply? I have to wonder if Apple is getting special treatment by the government because the government has a better chance to collect. It's possible the go
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Have you considered the possibility that everyone else was already compliant?
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I have considered that. That is why I asked. It seems unlikely that Apple would be the only phone maker to not comply, and if they were then why was that not mentioned in the story?
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The chief thread posed by any corporation is that they will rent politicians for the purpose of buying laws. Many or even most of our laws are now written by corporate lawyers, and handed to paid congresscreeps for sponsorship. This is actual, literal fascism and it's a much bigger threat than corporations pretending governments don't have power and then finding out that they do.
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In yet another example of corporate hubris, Apple decided little annoyances like consumer protection regulations do not apply to them.
Why do you call it "consumer protection regulations"? Countries with actual consumer protection regulations don't have this requirement. It also makes zero sense, the consumer is not being negatively impacted by having the additional ability to buy something *without* being forced to have unneeded extras included in the purchase price. Additionally consumers benefit greatly from the ability to go buy different products from different vendors.
E.g. I don't use any USB-C chargers from phones to charge my phone
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If you and by airplane in a foreign country, lose your phone and buy a phone in a shop: you expect a charger. Or how exactly do you charge a phone without a charger?
Countries with actual consumer protection regulations don't have this requirement.
I thought you lived in the EU. Perhaps you should check laws? You can not sell a phone in the EU without a charger, facepalm.
E-waste galore (Score:2, Informative)
The world is struggling to reduce e-waste, and Brazil is striving to create even more by forcing the bundling of chargers we don't need...
In other news, the EU wants to impose the unbundling of the sale of chargers from that of electronic devices: “This will limit the number of unwanted chargers purchased or left unused. Reducing production and disposal of new chargers is estimated to reduce the amount of electronic waste by almost a thousand tonnes' yearly” : https://ec.europa.eu/commissio... [europa.eu]
Go
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Since the new transformers are more efficient how does that net out on total energy?
They can just offer a $20 iTunes card to anybody who trades one in still sealed in the box.
It's a stupid law but usually most people here aren't agreeing with me on rulerless societies.
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Makes perfect sense. The charger you get "bundled for free" is the crappy charger - usually an 800mA-1A (4-5W) charger. Modern phones can charge off it, but it's slow. Modern phones can charge much faster - all iPhones can do 10W charging (2A) at a minimum for years, and many are able to do 20W and 30W charging.
But if you want the faster charger you have to buy it - it's never bundled in.
Is throwing in a shit charger a common Apple thing? My last iPhone was almost a decade ago. My current Android phone came with a very nice high speed USB-C charger in the box.
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There does not need to be a carrot. This is a country, you obey their laws or get out. Car companies couldn't just keep selling cars without catalytic converters after the 70s, chemical companies couldn't continue selling R-132 after they banned it. Apple is whining with ZERO justification or rationality. Brazil passed a law that affected them, they can either obey it or leave the market. This is how every business is subject to the laws of every country they operate it. You can't sell a phone without a cha
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Voluntary compliance is almost always preferred in Western Democracies.
In this case, Brazil notified them they were not in compliance with a law, and Apple ignored them, took it to court and lost. Lost another civil court case.
Finally, 2 years later, Brazil seized their phones.
I feel like it was an over-generous pace of escalation, because as you noted- this is a country. You follow their laws, or you fuck off our of the
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There was a carrot? What was the carrot?
Yes.
... waits 3 months ... ... guess they aren't going to do anything.
They gave them a generous amount of time to comply with the law.
Brazil: Do this thing within the next 3 months to comply with a law that you are currently out of compliance with.
Apple: No, we don't want to hurt the environment.
Brazil:
Apple:
Brazil: *wham!* Fine levied by agency responsible for upholding said law.
Brazil: *wham!* Judgement in a court case.
Brazil: *wham!* Judgement in another court case.
Brazil: *wham!* Seizes iPhon
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Please show me the person who has 3 phones and needs only 1 charger.