Apple Readies Several New Macs With Next-Generation M2 Chips (bloomberg.com) 47
Apple has started widespread internal testing of several new Mac models with next-generation M2 chips, according to developer logs, part of its push to make more powerful computers using homegrown processors. Bloomberg: The company is testing at least nine new Macs with four different M2-based chips -- the successors to the current M1 line -- with third-party apps in its App Store, according to the logs, which were corroborated by people familiar with the matter. The move is a key step in the development process, suggesting that the new machines may be nearing release in the coming months. The M2 chip is Apple's latest attempt to push the boundaries of computer processing after a split with Intel in recent years. Apple has gradually replaced Intel chips with its own silicon, and now looks to make further gains with a more advanced line. After years of slow growth, the Mac computer division enjoyed a resurgence the past two years, helped in part by home office workers buying new equipment. The business generated $35.2 billion in sales the past fiscal year, about 10% of Apple's total.
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I hope a M2 ish MacPro is released soon. About 2023 would be a good time to upgrade from the 2019 Xeon
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I think a windows-on-arm that is pound for pound equivalent to X86 is also coming. If ARM processors like the M line take off and spank intel like they have been, especially in the performance per watt metric, windows will have no choice but to become multi-platform. Then, it will be trivial to get a bootcamp like experience there too. Getting Linux on it indicates the hardware wont stop OSs from running.
I hope a M2 ish MacPro is released soon. About 2023 would be a good time to upgrade from the 2019 Xeon Mac Pro that has served me well.
I'd say, considering the Teaser they dropped at the end of the Studio's Demo, that expect to see an actual Demo at WWDC, with a Rollout in November-December 2022.
Also expect them to keep selling the 2019 Xeon Mac Pros for a couple of years, too.
Re:Diversity is good (Score:5, Informative)
Are there any reports of anyone getting Linux to run on one of the M1 or M2 chip computers yet?
Linux will boot on an M1 MacBook, but there are no working drivers for USB, Wifi, audio, power management, etc.
So it is not usable yet.
This is the main project trying to port Linux to the M1 MacBook: Asahi Linux [asahilinux.org].
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Are there any reports of anyone getting Linux to run on one of the M1 or M2 chip computers yet?
Linux will boot on an M1 MacBook, but there are no working drivers for USB, Wifi, audio, power management, etc.
So it is not usable yet.
So, like most Linuces on Laptops, right?
Just teasing!
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I replaced the HDD with an SSD in an old MBP & installed Ubuntu on it. It kind-a-sort-a worked with a lot of trouble shooting. Wasn't particularly satisfied with it & then the hardware started going out of date, i.e. after updates to Ubuntu, some drivers stopped working. When it came time to change, I went for a high-end MSI for much less money & 32GB of memory. The hardware's great & with Ubuntu, everything except HDMI worked first time, no trouble shooting necessary.
So, still not completely functional, even on the MSI, got it!
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Yes, completely functional. Just that HDMI didn't work "out-of-the-box" without a little troubleshooting with the drivers. I troubleshooted the MBP over a period of days, issues buried under issues, under issues & you had to resolve them in the right order, & there were times when I felt like giving up. The MSI was like a breath of fresh air, even though it doesn't officially support Ubuntu.
Either:
A) You did your homework as to Linux success before buying the MSI (and did not when buying the MBP). Not Apple's fault.
B) You didn't reach out to the Ubuntu Community when you had troubles with the install on the MacBook. Or they told you to buzz off.
C) You got got lucky with the MSI. Any random Windows Laptop could have had just as many problems (and often do!) with Ubuntu as the MBP. It just comes down to what particular chips are used. Apple made no claims as to Ubuntu compatibility; so you have
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Watch the Mac Pro (Score:3)
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Stop talking out of your ass, give you hemorrhoids.
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They're going to turn the Mac Pro back into a canister
Apple will not go back to the cylinder.
The cylinder was a mistake that caused cooling issues and manufacturing challenges.
ram at X4 the price and storage at X2+ the price (Score:2)
ram at X4 the price and storage at X2+ the price of companion.
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They're going to turn the Mac Pro back into a canister once their custom chips are ready for that tier of computing. Just wait and see. The guy who thought the current Mac Pro was an open platform like the Mac II is going to be in for a real shock when he sees what Apple does now.
If you're going to quote me, then at least give me proper attribution!
Apple admitted quite clearly that they had learned their lesson with the Cylinder. In a lot of ways, the Mac Studio is an Update to that concept; but with a massive cooling upgrade.
No, by specifically teasing the Mac Pro at the end of the Studio's Demo, Apple clearly signaled, to all who were listening, that the ASi Mac Pro was yet to come; and by inference, that it was going to be something different. That implies another Tower.
All other
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Not only those, but some of the lineup had not been updated for a lot of years before the M1 refresh cycle.
There was no need to buy a new mac if you would basically just get the same product as 4 years ago, as long as the current works.
Upgrade RAM and getting 7 years seems easy (Score:2)
Admittedly I'm build small projects. Things that compile from scratch in under a minute.
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It wasn't just that, but Intel had some lackluster chips with the 10th and (especially) 11th generation core series chips. Outside of single-threaded performance, AMD was offering better multi-core performance and at lower power levels. There wasn't a lot to gain with getting a new MBP when the older models were still getting updates and weren't that much worse in terms of performance.
I really do wonder why they didn't at least threaten to switch to AMD. Anyone got any serious theories on that?
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I think it's a little of A, a little of B. Initial sales of the revised lineup back in late 2020 and early 2021 when the M1 launched were almost certainly heavily influenced by the pent-up demand you're talking about, but those sales would have leveled off a long time ago. There's enough sales data at this point to understand what the "new normal" looks like, and it's higher than it used to be.
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I had an 11 year old Mac Pro that did well enough to run the latest software with reasonable performance. I had been wanting to replace the beast with something more modest, but nothing felt worth ponying up the cash. Target: mid-range desktop that was worth it... or any desktop. I considered an iMac, but the display made them overpriced for what I wanted. I kept on adding bits to keep it going (AC wifi hack, firmware 5,1 hack, 3rd party video card for Metal in Mojave, NVMe)
Cue the M1 Mini. Ordered first da
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Count me in on that. The Broken Butterfly stopped me from upgrading for at least 2 years
But will it support 10 bit (Score:1)
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Maybe next time he should read the specs and device support first.
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Trolling comment, or just horribly written. Do you have any details of the following:
- laptop model
- monitor model
- connection
- adapters, if any, used
- remedial action taken
- assistance offered from Apple (free 90 day phone support)
If not, it's starting to sound like your friend was turned into a newt.
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I don't get what you're saying.
You can install and use software from outside the Apple App Store on your Mac.
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That Quadra 700 can run A/UX. AT&T System V with a Classic layer bolted on for 68K machines. Running System 7 under A/UX felt different. It was able to take advantage of the UNIX on some level, even if that level was just having a kernel that actually did scheduling instead of being full cooperative multitasking. It was a really cool system and I liked it a lot better than OS X.
Yes; but Apple couldn't really turn A/UX into the OS they wanted; so enter NeXTStep.
They could have done worse. NeXTStep is a nicely processor-agnostic Unix, which A/UX, with a System 7 Shell, designed and built in decidedly non-processor-agnostic Macintosh Programmer's Workshop most decidedly was not!
And you simply cannot seriously posit that there isn't far more highly useful software for macOS in its current state. And AFAIK, pretty much anything that has been removed from the standard Build (usually in
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The memories of those machines is a big part of why I'm so adamant about wanting to see Apple shine again. I ran A/UX on a IIci, those things were built in 1989 and by the end of their life SIMM sizes had increased (retaining compatibility) such that you could put 128MB of RAM in it. It was the model that I judge so much future computing architecture by.
The IIci was undoubtedly a high water mark in that generation of Macs. Not one single fastener in the case design. Perfect form-factor for a Desktop. Change the NuBus slots to PCIe, change it from Platinum to Space Grey, update the Ports (and the Motherboard), and you could sell them today!
But, they'd still be running Copland or OS X. Not AU/X; sorry! And they certainly wouldn't be running 25 MHz 68040s (IIRC), either. . . ;-)
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What is it about the post Catalina environment that worries you? On Monterrey there are certainly some things that point me toward the App Store. Updates are managed from there, links lead back to it, etc. But it isn't more intrusive than that and I am able to install anything I want outside it. The OS's security settings even have an option to auto-allow installs to run from either the App Store
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need pci-e slots in pro! and m.2 / sata slots (Score:2)
need pci-e slots in pro! and m.2 / sata slots.
Also ram slots or at have 1TB ram as an choice.
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need pci-e slots in pro! and m.2 / sata slots.
Also ram slots or at have 1TB ram as an choice.
My prediction: You'll get your Slots. And likely an ability to use Graphics (and other) Cards.
SSD will be raw NAND, like the Studio. And sort of like the 2019 Pro.
We'll see about the RAM...