macOS 12.3 Arrives With Universal Control, Spatial Audio Features (engadget.com) 121
Apple has rolled out macOS 12.3 and iPadOS 15.4, bringing the highly-anticipated (and delayed) Universal Control feature. Engadget reports: The tool, which is in beta, allows you to control a Mac and iPad at the same time with a single keyboard and mouse (or trackpad). You can enter text on either device and drag files between them. Apple initially said Universal Control would be available last fall, but in December it delayed the release until this spring. Apple has enhanced spatial audio on M1-powered systems as well. Apple Music now has dynamic head tracking support for compatible AirPods. You'll find settings for fixed and head-tracking spatial audio in the Control Center. There's also several new emoji, more filters for the Podcasts app, optional notes for saved passwords and more accurate battery capacity readings, among other changes.
iOS 15.4 was also released today, adding the option to use Face ID while wearing a mask. "The updates also add 37 new emoji characters and they lay the groundwork for the new 'Tap to Pay on iPhone' feature that allows NFC-compatible iPhones to accept payments through Apple Pay," reports MacRumors. "There are also updates to add custom domains to iCloud Mail right on device, Siri enhancements, new Emergency SOS features, and tons more."
iOS 15.4 was also released today, adding the option to use Face ID while wearing a mask. "The updates also add 37 new emoji characters and they lay the groundwork for the new 'Tap to Pay on iPhone' feature that allows NFC-compatible iPhones to accept payments through Apple Pay," reports MacRumors. "There are also updates to add custom domains to iCloud Mail right on device, Siri enhancements, new Emergency SOS features, and tons more."
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KDE Connect has been doing similar to this for years.
KDE Connect has had head-tracking 3D audio for years?
Unbelievable!
Literally.
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You're playing pretty fast and loose with the word "similar" there.
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"There's also several new emoji, more filters for the Podcasts app"
FFS. How about fixing some of the long term bugs in your core apps Apple? You know, like when using Mail with gmail you often have to delete stuff twice before its actually deleted? And how about when the Mac goes to sleep it sometimes won't see the external monitor plugged into it when it wakes up. You know, minor things like that.
But hey, new emojis! I'm sold!
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Best link I could find on short notice:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/... [theverge.com]
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" and also getting teenagers to upgrade"
FTFY
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That bug is barely old enough to drive now. Why do you want to kill it in the prime of its youth?
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Or being able to forcibly terminate processes stuck in the "?E" state (The process is trying to exit) so that you don't have to power-cycle to restart the computer. That's only been a bug since, what...OS X in 2005?
Like the "File Is Open" bug in Windows that refuses to die.
You can always use Activity Monitor, or Terminal, to kill a Process, if the 'nice way', Force Quit, doesn't catch it after a few tries.
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You can always use Activity Monitor, or Terminal, to kill a Process, if the 'nice way', Force Quit, doesn't catch it after a few tries.
No, kill -1, kill -2, kill -9, kill -s KILL, kill -s QUIT, etc., have no effect on processes stuck in the "?E" state because they're already trying to terminate - they are probably stuck in an infinite loop/wait somewhere and don't respond to signals. That's why you have to power-cycle the computer to recover, because the processes can't be killed to allow a restart/shutdown to complete.
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Also, processes in the "?E" state aren't even displayed in Activity Monitor.
Interesting.
So, this should be true in all, or at least most, *nix OSes; so what do Users of those platforms do?
And you are claiming that a Process that is not visible to Activity Monitor, is nonetheless somehow Visible to the Shutdown Manager? Sounds quite unlikely.
And if you cannot see the Process in Activity Monitor; how do you even know it is in an alleged "?E" state?
Ok, well I found at least the reason a Process cannot be killed. Apparently, a Process that is executing in Kernel Space cannot be seen nor Killed. See this thread for further info:
https://discussions.apple.com/... [apple.com]
Also, I assume you've seen this (below)? It seems like a force powerdown (ugly!) and restart may be your only way out. I would suggest you try and find out what process it is.
https://serverfault.com/questi... [serverfault.com]
By the way, it is unfair to lay this behavior at the feet of Apple; since it appears to be "by design" in Unix systems for time immemoriam:
https://apple.stackexchange.co... [stackexchange.com]
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To me the stranger emoji related thing is from MacRumors:
37 new emoji characters and they lay the groundwork for the new 'Tap to Pay on iPhone' feature
The pay app has emoji library dependencies?
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"There's also several new emoji, more filters for the Podcasts app"
FFS. How about fixing some of the long term bugs in your core apps Apple? You know, like when using Mail with gmail you often have to delete stuff twice before its actually deleted? And how about when the Mac goes to sleep it sometimes won't see the external monitor plugged into it when it wakes up. You know, minor things like that.
But hey, new emojis! I'm sold!
Never had either of those things happen.
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So? Do you also think bones don't break because you've never had a broken bone?
Absolutely not.
I merely stated that it had not happened to me.
Do you also think that others cannot have differing experiences from your own?
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I'm well aware that other people have differing opinions. I'm also aware that software bugs don't have to be universal to be valid, and that your chiming in of 'that's never happened to me' is implicitly intended to convey an idea of 'therefore you're doing something wrong, the software is fine.'
There's no other reason I can think of, at least, to volunteer that little datum in a forum like this.
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I'm well aware that other people have differing opinions. I'm also aware that software bugs don't have to be universal to be valid, and that your chiming in of 'that's never happened to me' is implicitly intended to convey an idea of 'therefore you're doing something wrong, the software is fine.'
There's no other reason I can think of, at least, to volunteer that little datum in a forum like this.
So, if you are truly interested in getting this bug fixed, then why didn't you supply your monitor make/model; so I could search for more reports of the sleep no-reconnect bug, and if there is a fix or at least a workaround?
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But if one person is complaining about constantly breaking bones meanwhile most others have never experience it more than once in recent memory then it suggests it's perhaps something that person needs to resolve themselves. I have a mac and if I try to wake it by pressing a key on the keyboard the keyboard stops responding for 30 seconds. This doesn't happen when using bootcamp and running the same mac on windows. I have 8 other keyboards, none of them have the same issue therefore I'm going to assume not that apple has a bug they haven't fixed but rather windows has a workaround for a broken keyboard controller that apple haven't witnessed and the fault is with the keyboard, not apple. I have access to 8 macs of different vintages all running a multitude of external monitors, only one of them fails to wake from sleep; conclusion: AOC's fault, not apple's.
We like to pretend all of these "standards" are somehow perfect and yet a simple glance at the linux patch notes will tell you just how fantastically broken all these implementations are. Apple just isn't microsoft or linux and so you'll get the raw end of 3rd party lack of QC more often than not.
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"s, only one of them fails to wake from sleep; conclusion: AOC's fault, not apple's."
I suggest you google the issue before spouting more self righteous BS.
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Ok. And? Do you think your negative anecdote proves these bugs don't exist?
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Ok. And? Do you think your negative anecdote proves these bugs don't exist?
No.
But I think they are more likely linked to a problem with $RANDOM_MONITOR and some combination of your particular gmail and Mail.app settings than any widespread problem with macOS.
I will say the most recent search hit for a similar problem I could find involved a problem in OS X 10.5 (Leopard) and Gmail’s IMAP implementation.
What version of macOS and what Monitor? Impossible to further research without that info.
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https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
https://discussions.apple.com/... [apple.com]
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The monitor wake issue is wide spread, well known and current.
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
https://discussions.apple.com/... [apple.com]
Nice try.
In both of of your "Examples", the most recent posts concerned Big Sur, not Monterey, and the most recent posts were from a little more than a year ago.
In other words: Not current.
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And how about when the Mac goes to sleep it sometimes won't see the external monitor plugged into it when it wakes up.
This drives me crazy multiple times a day. Sometimes a power cycle of my thunderbolt dock wakes it up. Sometimes it takes a reboot for no other reason than I would like to use the 34" display I have plugged in, instead of it just being desk decoration. And the thing that burns me up is that the old-school multi-display support didn't do that until they reworked it in the 10.8 or 10.9 days (can't remember which) and it's been worse ever since.
Literally, Mac OS 9 had better multi-display support.
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Sometimes it seems like all the low level devs who understood hardware and drivers have left Apple and now they're just left with coders little better than script kiddies who think adding childish icons is somehow important for an OS upgrade.
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using Mail with gmail you often have to delete stuff twice before its actually deleted
What? I've been using Mail with gmail since they added IMAP support and I've never noticed this. The closest thing I can think of is that Mail backgrounds everything and displays user feedback before the operation has committed. This lets you work super fast even on slow connections, but it can cause issues if it can't resolve your changes at which point the reality of the IMAP server just pops back up as if nothing has happened. Bad, but IMHO infinitely preferable to Outlook which was freezing for up to 30 seconds to ensure a flag was set on the server over a dodgy 4G link. Sure, perhaps it should present you with an error report rather than silently popping things back up that the server has apparently rejected but I'll take it over the alternative.
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I downgraded within a week and started to look at System 76 for when Big Sur is end of life.
I'm having a hard time believing this is because of new awesome features in the OS. More likely is a "Let the user know they have an old laptop so they start to think about upgrading"-feature.
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I'm having a hard time believing this is because of new awesome features in the OS. More likely is a "Let the user know they have an old laptop so they start to think about upgrading"-feature.
I'm having a hard time believing Apple would do this, and risk getting caught again.
Then again, I've been talking a long time about Corporate Arrogance within the Too Big To Fail entities. This is exactly what it looks like.
(Corporate Arrogance) Why are we slowing down your device? Fuck You That's Why. Now shut up and get out of line. There's another 5,000 customers behind you waiting. Oh, you'll fine us 5% of the profits we made from this? Let me mark my calendar. We call that "Executive Bonus Day" around here...
Get used to it.
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"No, it stutters on older hardware because we need to supersample the gyro* in case the screen tilts so we can adjust the flow better" or some bs.
*no, it doesn't have a gyro, i know, that was not the point
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Or that you have a 7 year old GPU and they modernized their renderer to take advantage of 7 years worth of GPU, library, and driver development that doesn't apply to your hardware in order to make it run really good on the >90% of the user base that has newer stuff than you?
You know that while CPU compute performance increases generation-over-generation has become less exciting, the same has not happened with GPUs? And in fact, in many cases, GPU advances have been increasing generation-over-generation?
Hardware goes obsolete and needs to be replaced. This isn't new, and Apple does better at supporting their products than most OEMs. Also, you could just realize that you don't have to run the bleeding-edge latest software and still have a completely useable and performant system. Why should Apple keep 10 years of cruft code and edge cases in their OS dragging down performance on their supported products in order to keep an ever-shrinking user base happy that demands that their 7-year-old officially-EOL-for-a-couple-years laptop continues to be supported forever, when the amount of users that are still seriously using a 7-year-old laptop is probably a low single-digit percentage of the user base?
Do you also expect 1950s analog TV signals to still be broadcast because you can't be bothered to get a digital tuner?
Your entitlement is showing.
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Shill...
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You are expecting Microsoft and Apple to have the same levels of backwards compatibility, and that has literally never been the case. Oh, and Microsoft has TPM 2.0 as a requirement for Windows 11, and TPM 2.0 was released when? 2014. Which means it didn't really show up in hardware until 2015 models.
Your. Laptop. Is. Old.
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It's a phone, not a pocket 8K HDTV experience.
And I expect a device I've paid a laptop's worth of fucking money for, to last.
And the entire point here is, IT DOES LAST.
Understand what planned obsolescence is before ranting your "point" next time.
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It is fine running 12.2.1. Just as quick as before for the things you describe. I use it for personal stuff so it isn't doing anything very taxing.
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Did you upgrade late? or did you try the first few versions also? I'm wondering if they might have fixed the issues and I should try again.
Not getting my hopes up. Sort of settled on using Big Sur until it was EOL and just move on. Can't really complain on 8-9 years of updates (well.. of course I can, and do).
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I'm running the latest Monterey on a 2014 Mini, and it performs great. I have lots of RAM, is maybe the difference?
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2.5 GHz quad I7 with 16 GB but just the Intel Iris graphics. Works OK on 12.2.1, but gets a bit sluggish if I'm running PyCharm, Virtualbox, and Docker at the same time.
I'd use something like iStat Menus to check your thermals and think about opening it up to clean fans and vents - sounds like it could be thermal throttling due to additional GPU load from effects in the new version.
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I'm not sure how you didn't see this coming as someone with a macbook for 7 years you likely are a repeat victim - er customer.
Apple is the closest modern embodiment of a Brave New World, "Just buy a new one" should be their motto.
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The carbon fiber Vaio I had before it was delivered with Windows Vista and had a hardware switch to select between running the discreet or integrated GPU.Which I kind of liked. Being able to get some more time out of the battery when on the road.
Windows 7 was released a few months after I purchased it, but Sony never bothered to create working drivers for it, so I was stuck with Vista. Also, couldn't get that switch to work with Linux at the time.
So I'll give Apple that. They do upgrades WAY better than Sony did.
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"Just buy a new one" should be their motto.
But fortunately it is not, and they care very good for old hardware.
After all plenty of people keep their macs around for > 10 years.
A friend of mine runs his old Titanium still, as jukebox.
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I have an even newer iMac that had similar problems after OS upgrades. It's seriously become absolutely useless for most things. Open an application and go make a cup of coffee before you can use it again. It became so shitty I moved over to a similar aged Windows system for the things I can't get running under Linux yet. It's ridiculous.
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I have an even newer iMac that had similar problems after OS upgrades. It's seriously become absolutely useless for most things. Open an application and go make a cup of coffee before you can use it again. It became so shitty I moved over to a similar aged Windows system for the things I can't get running under Linux yet. It's ridiculous.
You do realize, of course, that if yours was not an extremely rare problem, that enough users would be affected that the problem would have been all over the Tech Press, Class Action Lawsuits and Congressional Inquiries would be launched.
Think about it. Then try another install.
BTW, are you trying to use APFS on a spinning-rust drive? Some say that is not the best idea, performance-wise; but I have no personal experience with that configuration.
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Honestly, my Macs I never bother to think much about. If it works, it works. If it stops, I give up fast because I'm paying the damn things to freakin' work. This is by far the fastest any of my Macs have ever deteriorated, and since it happened at exactly the same time the phone and iPad slowdowns were happening, I just assumed it was meant to be that way. Besides, who in their right mind other than me keeps a mac running for more than two years before replacing it for the next shiny? Insanity!
My previous iMac ran fine for almost seven years before I handed it off to my brother-in-law as a web station. I needed more horsepower at that point for my music production. It'll be my last Mac.
BTW, I did try a full reinstall on it twice. Can't get any of the known keyboard combinations to function at boot and finally gave up and shoved it aside. I don't have weeks of free-time to spend maintaining computers. That's my day job. At home, my systems better do what I want or they're gone.
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Honestly, my Macs I never bother to think much about. If it works, it works. If it stops, I give up fast because I'm paying the damn things to freakin' work. This is by far the fastest any of my Macs have ever deteriorated, and since it happened at exactly the same time the phone and iPad slowdowns were happening, I just assumed it was meant to be that way. Besides, who in their right mind other than me keeps a mac running for more than two years before replacing it for the next shiny? Insanity!
My previous iMac ran fine for almost seven years before I handed it off to my brother-in-law as a web station. I needed more horsepower at that point for my music production. It'll be my last Mac.
BTW, I did try a full reinstall on it twice. Can't get any of the known keyboard combinations to function at boot and finally gave up and shoved it aside. I don't have weeks of free-time to spend maintaining computers. That's my day job. At home, my systems better do what I want or they're gone.
My daily driver is a mid-2012 Macbook Pro. It is fully supported through macOS Catalina; but frankly, I run High Sierra on it.
Runs fine.
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I really don't know what is going on, but the effect of a clean install with Monterey on my system is ridiculous. I click on an application and it takes a long time to load. Reverting to Big Sur and it's no problems at all. Fluent animations are stuttering all over and the entire system seems sluggish.
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I have the same experience with my system. No spinning drives on the 2015 Macbook Pro. I don't have any numbers to argue against your "extremely rare" statement, but I suspect you don't have any data to support your statement either.
I really don't know what is going on, but the effect of a clean install with Monterey on my system is ridiculous. I click on an application and it takes a long time to load. Reverting to Big Sur and it's no problems at all. Fluent animations are stuttering all over and the entire system seems sluggish.
Sorry about the Hard Drive red-herring. I wasn't paying close enough attention!
Well, one thing I have read, is that many people have trouble with Monterey. Have you tried to find any correlation there?
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I haven't really looked into it much. Sort of gave it up and settled on using Big Sierra until it is eol and then just move on. I'm kinda want to go back to linux on my laptop again. But maybe I'll try to reinstall with Monterey one more time and see if they have fixed the issue.
I just spoke with a friend last night that was having all sorts of issues with Monterey on his Intel Mac laptop. Did a clean reinstall, and a Migration Assistant "restore" from a Time Machine backup.
It apparently fixed everything.
I fully realize that anecdotes aren't data; but I offer it as the only assistance I can offer at this time.
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You're probably right - but in fairness, you don't pay an annual subscription - and yes, apples are more expensive than lemons, so you're paying for it then, but supporting some 7+ year old hardware? They're a commercial entity, not someone doing it for the good of the people. By any stretch of asset depreciation, 5 years is about the longest you'd expect before writing off such an asset.
You can't even get 3 decent years out of a Windows laptop. And as much as I like Linux, you don't get it there either. Having said all of this, I did just upgrade my 2015 macbook pro - not because I wanted to wait 7 years, I'd have done it at least a couple of years sooner, except Apple kept making shit laptops, so I kept skipping them in the hope they'd make a decent one (which I think they have now - YMMV).
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Microsoft manages to support thousands of configurations with their OS. For Apple to support the handful of their own systems shouldn't be too hard, but I think this is more a question if they are actively sabotaging older systems. To force people to upgrade. That is a dick move, especially since they try to portray themselves as an environmentally friendly company.
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For Apple to support the handful of their own systems shouldn't be too hard, but I think this is more a question if they are actively sabotaging older systems. To force people to upgrade. That is a dick move, especially since they try to portray themselves as an environmentally friendly company.
I think it's more likely that Apple isn't proactive about providing support for older systems. If software is optimized for the newest hardware configurations then there is probably going to be some kind of performance hit to older hardware. I'm not saying this is RIGHT, or even a good thing but from my experience this seems to be how they operate.
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If software is optimized for the newest hardware configurations then there is probably going to be some kind of performance hit to older hardware.
Nope.
a) new OSes on old hardware are usually faster than the original OS
b) in general that is not how computers work - there is no reason some new code would run slower on an old machine. How would that work?
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but I think this is more a question if they are actively sabotaging older systems.
They aren't. Especially as it would be illegal.
You simply have bad luck with your particular setup. Probably the problem is patched anyway, if it is worth your time install the newest version of that particular OS you wanted to have. E.g. on an external drive or USB Stick, to verify first if it works better now.
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You can't even get 3 decent years out of a Windows laptop. And as much as I like Linux, you don't get it there either.
You're talking out of your arse, mate.
-- sent from my 11 year old Thinkpad W510 running Ubuntu, thankyouverymuch.
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That's interesting because my midrange 2014 mini does very well on Monterey. I was expecting to have to reload Catalina, but decided to experiment, and Monterey is doing fine. I was surprised.
The mini does have a fusion drive, so maybe the SSD helps? And I keep Safari closed unless I'm actually using it, and rarely more than three tabs.
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I had a similar problem. After upgrading and updating and upgrading, my computer was so slow! I wiped it and installed fresh.. Didn't restore from Time Machine, but installed apps fresh. It was a HUGE pain, but now my machine is a fast as when it was new!
Unlike Windows which is notorious for Winrot, Mac is much better, but still... after a ton of updating it over years...
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Most likely an odd combination of problems.
Newer OSes on older hardware are usually faster than the oder ones.
My 2014 MacBook Air has no problems running pretty recent OSes (just don't know the OS name).
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It stutters when swiping between desktops/full-screen-vms even when idle.
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There were changes between the GPUs - want to bet that they've used some function or feature on newer ones for rendering the resource sucking eye candy (GUI) that wasn't available back then and they haven't bothered looking for a suitable alternative or downgraded their implementation requirements to use less bandwidth so that it remains performant?
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Or they knew what would happen and did it anyway. Who knows.
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Oh, so when this guy says it, you accept it as plausible. But when I say it you point to Windows as an example of why the exact same reasoning is incorrect? Never mind that you are using literally the last product that Apple shipped with an Nvidia GPU in it, and that they go out of their way to fuck over Nvidia at every chance they get, including mandating that device driver kernel extensions must be signed, and then refusing to sign newer drivers that Nvidia did the work to write.
But I'd bet that doesn't have any impact on graphics performance at all. Do you even know if Monterey still supports hardware acceleration in the UI on an Nvidia GPU? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they shitcanned it because they don't have any Nvidia GPUs in products that haven't gone end-of-life, because the pissing match must go on.
But hey, just continue giving your false equivalence argument and keep a tight grip on that 7-year-old hardware while the tears flow.
By the way, if you feel that Apple fucked you over on this, feel free to buy a laptop from literally any other manufacturer next time. There are a lot of good models on the market these days from Lenovo, Dell, HP, Razor, etc. And, you can install Linux on that 2015 model just fine.
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You basically said "learn to use top noob". Now you are sulking because someone else actually managed to come up with an argument without trying to insult the person they are talking to?
Calm down and try to talk to people instead of yelling at them. You might get some better response.
As for the "purchase something else"-argument. Yes. That is literarily what I state in my first post.
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I absolutely did not tell you to "learn to use top noob" - that was someone else. And you say I have reading comprehension issues. At least I can match comments to the person that posted them.
And yes, you mentioned purchasing something else after having a big cry over a 7 year old laptop not running a months-old major operating system release very well, as if Apple should cater to you or any other single-digit edge case in the world. Thus my remark that you seem entitled.
I have no expectation that a laptop will be any good for anything after 5 years, but if it is then that's just bonus value to me.
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Regarding old computers and their usability, I think that a computer (or anything really) should be used as long as it can provide value, and if a company is deliberately sabotaging the usefulness of a product after it's sold, just to make more money, I think they are being dicks.
That is what I suspect is happing now. That is why I wrote the initial post here. That is what you can't seem to understand, and it's getting a bit boring trying to explain this to you.
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If it was specifically related to Nvidia vs. AMD GPUs in these devices, there would be a performance difference between when the system is using the integrate vs. discrete device. There were changes in the integrated Intel GPU between versions of MBP, but I'm not au fait with those implications but I know from my experience using Intel QuickSync for encoding on Windows and Linux that this can make a difference.
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You don't think that has something to do with the 7 year old GPU in your 2015 notebook trying to run modern graphics libraries, do you?
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I have a discreet GPU on this system, which have the capacity to to pretty amazing rendering and processing. There is NOTHING in the daily use of an operating system that would saturate the GPU.
Would you argue the same about a GTX 9 or 10-series Nvidia card running Windows? (those are also aprox 7 years old)
They are aprox 7 years old so you shouldn't expect it to be able to run Windows? right? Or do you seriously argue that Monterey has so much amazing eye-candy that it requires a fresh new discreet GPU to handle?
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So you are saying that Windows and MacOS are the same thing, with the same support policies?
Are you an idiot?
Did you not know that Apple and Nvidia have been in a pissing match for like a decade now, and there's virtually no support for Nvidia products past the one you're talking about? As in, Apple won't even sign newer drivers written by Nvidia because Apple are being little shitheads about it, and have been for years? But I'm sure that has absolutely no impact on performance, right?
Confirmed, you are an idiot.
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But you are right that someone is an idiot here...
You are the buthurt one from earlier, right?
I never said that macOS and Windows is the same. Not once. But I'm starting to understand you have serious challenges reading, so I'll keep the following sentences short for you.
macOS is modern OS
Windows is modern OS
Windows runs fine on very old hardware
Apple purposely cripple performance on their devices
Oh wait, that one was probably a bit too complex. Lets try something else.
Apple put bad in OS on purpose.
We talk about that
Maybe they pud bad in OS again?
Re:Planned obsolescence (Score:2)
Apple purposely cripple performance on their devices
No they don't. That was pointed out already several times.
Re:Planned obsolescence (Score:2)
What is your VM software?
With upgrading to a new OS, the VM software perhaps needs to be updated to a new version. Or at least the fullscreen driver might need an upgrade. I had issues like that once with VirtualBox ...
Re:Planned obsolescence (Score:2)
Re:Strange, so far heard mostly speedier (Score:2)
Re:Planned obsolescence (Score:3)
How about you try reading and understanding before yelling at the sky with a closed fist.
I'm talking about active sabotage by a company to deliberately cripple performance. This has been documented to happen before with Apple.
And why would I install an OS release in 2021 on hardware from 2015. Really?! This is Slashdot ffs. Man, this site has lost its target audience.
Go do what the companies tell you to do and be a good old consumer. Don't try to get some extra life out of hardware or repurpose anything. Throw it out and buy the new and shiny stuff.
Ffs... this is depressing. I'm quitting this discussion.
Huh? (Score:2)
Uh, guys? 12.3 deletes Python. (Score:2)
Um fellas, 12.3 deletes Python 2 without installing a replacement. Their only warning is to bother your developers.
Iâ(TM)ve locked out all upgrades on my little toy Mini server until my most important application finds a fix.
And yes, I know about Brew.
Re: How many iPad generations were rendered useles (Score:2)
Re: How many iPad generations were rendered useles (Score:2)
Synergy is a fantastic program. But as ever with fanboys whether Apple, MS or even Linux - if its not on their favourite system yet it doesn't exist.
Re:How many iPad generations were rendered useless (Score:2)
Wonderful shitpost.
Are you still using an original iPad? No you are not, because it is 12 years old and hasn't been supported since iOS 6, primarily because it's a 32-bit architecture and iOS has been 64-bit clean for quite some time now. We're now on iOS 15 so it really shouldn't come as a galloping shock that it's not supported.
You are the only one that would describe the original iPad as "perfectly good" because you're an idiot. But not so much of an idiot to not post anonymous, so really you're being stupid on purpose which is worse - an ignorant idiot can actually learn and become less so. You're an idiot by choice.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
I'll be happy if they add a downvote button without bringing back upvotes.
I see we're still trying to invent new ways of telling people they're fucking wrong because they disagree with you.
Why not just add a "Racist" button while you're at it. Seems fitting.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
I see we're still trying to invent new ways of telling people they're fucking wrong because they disagree with you.
Why not just add a "Racist" button while you're at it. Seems fitting.
Waahhhh my opinions are unpopular, waahhhh make it stop!
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
Why not just add a "Racist" button while you're at it. Seems fitting.
On Slashdot, they're more likely to add a "Woke" button. Then the throngs of self-entitled, perpetually-outraged incels can mash that button furiously every time they see anything they don't like, which is pretty much all the time.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
I can't take anyone seriously who uses the word woke in regular conversations. Fox keeps using that word to keep you angry at a particular group of people. Same with critical race theory. A subject not taught in public schools and barely even taught at the college level. Fox throwing the phrase around daily and there's already laws banning it's teaching. Banning something that isn't even taught? Makes perfect sense.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
Well it's all part and parcel of grievance politics and utter hypocrisy of the extreme right. They don't want to be "cancelled" for having the most obtuse and regressive stance on any possible topic (or just simply continuing to spout the same racist bullshit that used to play 50 years ago but suddenly doesn't have as wide of an audience), but if someone steps too far in the "progressive" direction then they are "woke" baby-killing hippies that want to spend us into oblivion and we need to legally ban teaching those ideas, because individual freedoms or something.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
The Right is kept alive by gerrymandering, which, even as social norms steadily shift away from them, they can still wield so much power. But they don't behave like victors, they behave like what they really are, a political force being eclipsed and raging against the dying of the light. Of course, they still control a lot of levers of power, and they're working as hard as they can not only to use them, but to use their propaganda arm to make cheating a defensible act.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
Being a decent human being is no longer considered a good thing in conservative circles. If you're not perpetually outraged, preferably while thumping a Bible and throwing stones at some trans kids and their families, then you're not a true conservative. The whole Make America Great Again thing isn't really about making anything great, it's about making things small, xenophobic and, of course, very very white.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
I'll be happy if they add a downvote button without bringing back upvotes.
I see we're still trying to invent new ways of telling people they're fucking wrong because they disagree with you.
Why not just add a "Racist" button while you're at it. Seems fitting.
The mod points system, indeed the entire /. Comment System, would work oh, so much better, if they would simply Eliminate Anonymous Coward Posting. . .
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
And why would that be?
A mod could not post AC into a thread ...
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
And why would that be?
A mod could not post AC into a thread ...
I really don't understand your statement, sorry!
Come, come, elucidate yourself. . .
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
If I make a moderation, and then post as angel'o'sphere and not as AC, the moderation is undone.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
If I make a moderation, and then post as angel'o'sphere and not as AC, the moderation is undone.
I know that; but, in my experience, it is people who actually have UIDs, but Post as AC solely to avoid Karmic Repercussions, who spew the constant overflow of ridiculous, off-topic, hateful, non-helpful, immature and puerile comments on here, and If AC posting was disallowed on Slashdot, nothing of value would be lost.
I believe the original idea of AC posting was to allow Slashdot Users who might have access to trade secret information (or similar), to Comment on those topics without fear. BUT, it has long-since been subverted into a true Coward's Shield; which does nothing but get in the way of rational discourse. As a result, now it is time for Anonymous Coward Posting to just "go".
tl;dr
AC Posting is why we can't just have nice discussions; so, it should be discontinued.
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
I'd personally be happy if the little post flagging thing actually did anything at all. Or if their ASCII art filter didn't trip on legitimate posts while letting pages of ASCII swastikas through to have a useless flag button next to.
Why the fuck do I come to this site again?
Re:Please bring back mod points (Score:2)
Trust an AC to say something as stupid as moderation at /. being a product of their strawman social movement.