Apple Sets April 11 Deadline For US Employees To Return To Office (macrumors.com) 58
Apple has set an April 11 deadline for corporate employees in the U.S. to return to offices like Apple Park, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. MacRumors reports: Apple is planning for a hybrid in-office and at-home work schedule going forward. The report states that Apple employees will be required to work from the office at least one day per week by April 11, at least two days per week by May 2, and at least three days per week by May 23. Those three days would be Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, with most employees having the option to work remotely on Wednesdays and Fridays.
"For many of you, I know that returning to the office represents a long-awaited milestone and a positive sign that we can engage more fully with the colleagues who play such an important role in our lives," said Apple CEO Tim Cook, in a memo to employees obtained by Bloomberg. "For others, it may also be an unsettling change." Apple's corporate employees have largely been working from home since the start of the pandemic. Apple executives have routinely made it clear that employees would eventually need to return to the office once it is safer to do so, despite some employees objecting. Apple's decisions comes just a few days after Google said that its employees would need to return to offices starting April 4.
"For many of you, I know that returning to the office represents a long-awaited milestone and a positive sign that we can engage more fully with the colleagues who play such an important role in our lives," said Apple CEO Tim Cook, in a memo to employees obtained by Bloomberg. "For others, it may also be an unsettling change." Apple's corporate employees have largely been working from home since the start of the pandemic. Apple executives have routinely made it clear that employees would eventually need to return to the office once it is safer to do so, despite some employees objecting. Apple's decisions comes just a few days after Google said that its employees would need to return to offices starting April 4.
Record profits during work from home (Score:2)
This isn't about profits, it is about control. We all need to stop letting micromanaging bosses push us around. I suggest Apple employees unionize.
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What free money? You mean all the stock and bond buybacks? Or the paycheck protection act, that got pocketed by the owning class?
Dude, the poor and middle class got a pittance, while the rich got the biggest socialist handout in history. But that hasn't got anything to do with the record profits. The rich just used the money they stole form your taxes to buy up all the houses, which is why houses are unaffordable now. The rich are parasites.
And were people consuming more? Were you? I wasn't consuming shit.
Re: Record profits during work from home (Score:2)
A couple grand vs. billions. No comparison.
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I think he probably means all the people who literally made more money on the enhanced unemployment program (EUP) than they ever did while actually working. I know quite a few that made considerably more.
Oh noes! They collectively got a tiny pittance compared to what we will give to some individual corporations (let alone all of them as a group) and in exchange they stayed home and the pandemic was less severe. How terrible!
Meanwhile my recently ex-boss (who has recently fired me in retaliation for responding to his illegally low wages — in California a tradesman who has to provide his own tools must be paid a minimum of double the current minimum wage — litigation imminent) got an $88,000 PPP l
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What? You think the poorest Americans put that money into savings? You are out of touch.
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Or alternatively the people who've been at home working more effectively than before and with $5000 in commuting costs they can now spend how they like.
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Bullshit, it has been about people dying.
Commercial Real Estate Complex (Score:3, Insightful)
The Commercial Real Estate Complex, has spoken.
You will justify their unending bloodlust.
Fuck your commutes. Fuck endless hours of productive time pissed away sitting behind the wheel.
Fuck your pollution, and every disease and death it creates. Fuck your Go Green initiatives (but please..remember to recycle.)
Back in your cube, shitling. You've got real estate tax hikes to justify.
Thugs and Kisses,
- Greed
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cube?
what century are you from? there have not been cubes, at least in the bay area, for well over a decade, perhaps more.
open friggin office is the norm and its rows and rows of desks, right next to each other or not even desks, just long long tables, reminiscent of the turn of the previous previous century. deep sigh.
no room and not even your own real desk.
this is what they want us to come back to.
are you surprised that we are not excited?
look, if you 'let' us go back to cubes, that might be some kind o
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cube?
what century are you from? there have not been cubes, at least in the bay area, for well over a decade, perhaps more.
open friggin office is the norm and its rows and rows of desks, right next to each other or not even desks, just long long tables, reminiscent of the turn of the previous previous century. deep sigh.
This... I long for the days where we actually had 3 walls to call a cube that provided some privacy and respite from Dick in sales who shouts on the fucking phone all day (97% absolutely nothing to do with work what so ever).
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Thugs and Kisses,
Should've made that "Thugs and Hisses"
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What tha fuuuuck?
Did you just have an argument with voices in your head? I think you did! Who's saying this, really? Can you provide a citation?
This is more and more damaging these days. People will just imagine something and then rail against it. It creeps me out.
The emails going out for the next month telling millions of workers to get your ass back to an office you haven't been to in years to do a job you've been doing just fine for years, isn't imaginary. It's your fucking "citation".
I was merely stating fact in a colorful way. Much like the mainstream media does every day, but with far more truth.
And don't worry about being creeped out now. Save that for when you're sitting in a hospital high on painkillers because of a unnecessary car accident that happened
Gotta justify all those $billions spent.. (Score:1)
... on a campus, instead of spending any of it on actual QA/testing of its products and, especially, software!
How about an unwelcome burden? (Score:4, Insightful)
I am not looking for any position that I cannot telecommute in. It is the wave of the future and there is no reason not to do it.
Commuting wastes time, gas, money, has environmental and other health costs, etc.
It has been proven that work from home can work so they are going to have to hope that in a generation we don't remember that.
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That is one of the most asinine thinys I've read in a while. And I dwell on 9gag.
I can only hope that was sarcasm that I missed.
Keeping up a system that costs society SO much on so many levels just to keep an infrastructure up and runhing that almost had nomother purpose than supporting said system?
I'm sure those people living by the tracks of these night trains just puked a little in their mouths for no, to them, apparent reason.
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>SAVE! OUR! TRAINS!
So no. If commuting for work is the only thing keeping the trains running then shitcan them. Telecommuting is here to stay, I hope.
You are advocating for some species of the broken window fallacy. You want to break telecommuting so that trains have work, simply for the purpose of having work.
Sure, I get it. You like the fact that the suckers commuting for work support your train habit. But perhaps *they* don't like supporting *your* train habit. If the citizens of the city can't
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Granted I'm in software, although of course, so is Apple, but LinkedIn sends me multiple jobs a day. The VAST majority are now remote.
My company just posted a similar job to mine, we're accepting applicants from I think 7 countries.
Sorry, Tim (Score:4, Insightful)
"For many of you, I know that returning to the office represents a long-awaited milestone and a positive sign that we can engage more fully with the colleagues who play such an important role in our lives," said Apple CEO Tim Cook
Sorry, Tim. Our colleagues may play an important role in our jobs - but, for most of us, our jobs are not our lives.
And, frankly, not all jobs require much engagement with colleagues. Mine certainly doesn't, thanks at least in some degree to upper management gradually paring down our team's size over the past several years to the point where those of us remaining don't really have significantly overlapping skill sets with each other. I like my teammates, but they're not helping me get my job done.
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> Sorry, Tim. Our colleagues may play an important role in our jobs - but, for most of us, our jobs are not our lives.
Right. There's a bifurcation happening where mostly the zealots are staying with Big Tech onsite and those who prefer flexible working locations are leaving.
Should be interesting.
It's about real estate property values (Score:3)
There's a way to fix this, if you're willing to. You just have to ask yourself, are you tired of being told what to do by CEOs? Are you sick of never having a say in anything? Are you tired of being just another wage slave?
If the answer to these questions is "yes" then you need to go to your government and demand STOCK FOR SUBISDIES.
Our gov't gives billions of dollars in subsidies to mega corporations. With COVID it was TRILLIONS. And we got absolutely nothing in return except a promise not to use their wealth and power to destroy our lives.
No more. No more of our taxpayer dollars for free. When a company gets money they give up stock. That's how it works. So if the gov't gives money, they get the same thing a private citizen gets: stock.
Call your Senator and your rep and say "I want stock for subsidies".
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Climate Change (Score:2)
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Sustainability (Score:2)
All these big corps preach about 'sustainability' and 'net zero' but think it's better to make tens of thousands of employees sit in 3hrs of traffic each day rather than work from home.
Hypocrisy writ large.
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They will start voting for Republican candidates for elected offices.
In much of the United States, the Democrats overwhelmingly live in and near the urban centers. The Republicans overwhelmingly live in the suburbs and the rural areas.
Re: Sustainability (Score:2)
$1.1M 3bd condo in a Bay Area city is why sustainable city living is out of reach for most people.
Gotta keep CMBS from collapsing (Score:2)
And today... (Score:2)
At my office we were talking about switching to 100% remote work. My manager likes us physically present, but at the level above that the company has recognized how well the last two years have gone, and I'm pretty sure they're thinking of converting the present offices to other purposes.
It's a weird future, in which a mid-sized business might have nothing more than a PO box as physical infrastructure without being a scam.
Here's the thing, see..... (Score:2)
And who the hell wants to work 6 days a week?
The pandemic forced many employers to allow work-from-home situations, and many employees discovered that they actually *liked* having those extra hours during the day for themselves, to be both better rested in the morning and having more time to spend with their friends and family. The benefits of thi
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Yeah, but... no. I know what you mean about the commute: my last job was 75 minutes each way from home. But that was on me. I could've moved closer to where I worked, but, for multiple reasons, I didn't. So, short of a "company town" arrangement where the housing and transportation are provided by the employer, I don't know how we could expect employers to pay the difference in commute time when employees are free to live wherever they want, even if it means the commute takes longer.
The balance is ALL wrong. The employer has decided they NEED you as you're the best person they could find to push the business forward or fill the position they had so they absolutely should be on the hook for paying for your commute time. Businesses don't get free deliveries of the materials they need to run their business, they get charged freight to get it to where they need it. This is true for everything a business uses, they pay to get whatever the resource is to where they need it. It's ONLY labour
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Actually no.
The cost of the commute is implied to be built into the salary cost of the employee.
If you didn't negotiate your terms of employment and you're going broke from commute costs?
That's on you.
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Actually no. The cost of the commute is implied to be built into the salary cost of the employee.
If you didn't negotiate your terms of employment and you're going broke from commute costs? That's on you.
The only part of your post with which I agree is your sig.
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Luckily we live in a world where you're not required to agree with anyone.
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Yeah, but... no. I know what you mean about the commute: my last job was 75 minutes each way from home. But that was on me. I could've moved closer to where I worked, but, for multiple reasons, I didn't...
But where should the line be drawn? When it's been proven that productivity with work-at-home is as good as or better than that in an 'official' workplace, where's the justification for making workers spend part of their workday travelling without compensating them?
The power balance has shifted. Tech workers now have more autonomy and more negotiating power than before the pandemic, and our would-be masters don't like it one bit. When geographic limits are erased, job-hopping is ever so much easier now. No
Apple workers: job market is great, jump in. (Score:2)
While some people want it --- especially those who want to get away from family or difficult home conditions --- most technical workers are better off at home. We are generally more productive, we are generally happier, we are generally more organized, we are generally more comfortable, we are generally healthier getting exercise.
There have been lots of studies done over the past two years, this article links to several [apollotechnical.com] that show for most (but not all) people working from home, statistics across the board
This will benefit Putin (Score:1)
Whiners, go back to work ! (Score:1)
Re: Whiners, go back to work ! (Score:2)
And some of us manage data centers and clusters all over the world, on teams where our immediate coworkers are in others countries and everything has been done through video conference and email for the past decade.
So yea, we're curious why our respective tech companies want us to be on site 5 days a week. Contributing to local traffic congestion and parking demand. I suspect any reason given is total bullshit.
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