Apple Renews Bid To Halt Court-Ordered App Store Change (bloomberg.com) 33
Apple is asking a higher court to halt a judge's decision that will force changes to its App Store while a legal fight with Epic Games continues. From a report: Lawyers for the company filed Tuesday with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, seeking action by Dec. 8. Earlier this month, U.S. District Judge Yvonne Gonzales Rogers rejected Apple's request to put on hold her ruling allowing developers to steer customers to payment methods outside the App Store, an overhaul the judge ordered in September that could cost the tech giant a few billion dollars annually. The company said at that time it would appeal to the higher court.
Leave Apple users alone (Score:2)
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If an app implements their own payment portal
But then who's to ensure that some of these apps aren't just going to say "We gots yo' credit card numba', sucka'" and run off with it? Apple has (rather successfully) provided a walled garden that scammers are having trouble getting into. Arguments about their 30% Apple tax aside, they are doing a pretty good job.
How about: Two Apple Stores. The old one is inside the walled garden. You buy all your stuff from them, Apple stands behind it and all is well. The other one hosts stuff with their own payment sc
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I already buy multiple services and items outside of Apple's app store. Shocking I know but e-commerce has existed before apple. I buy services from Amazon, Google, Spotify and Microsoft and yet use their paid apps/services on my iPhone.
But as I'm sure you realize, the problem isn't with established companies like the ones you mentioned; it is with the Apps by fly-by-night "Developers" that don't bother with decent English translations and such.
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But then who's to ensure that some of these apps aren't just going to say "We gots yo' credit card numba', sucka'" and run off with it?
You are. As is always the case, whenever you choose to give your credit card information to anyone. If you fail, then there's the bank. Those are the protections in place for any credit card transaction.
If you choose to use Apple as a payment processor, then there's a third layer of protection. So to speak. Apple isn't a layer of protection any more than any other company, someone could easy turn your argument around and ask why Apple is preventing them from using a real security company for this purpose
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But then who's to ensure that some of these apps aren't just going to say "We gots yo' credit card numba', sucka'" and run off with it?
You are. As is always the case, whenever you choose to give your credit card information to anyone. If you fail, then there's the bank. Those are the protections in place for any credit card transaction.
If you choose to use Apple as a payment processor, then there's a third layer of protection. So to speak. Apple isn't a layer of protection any more than any other company, someone could easy turn your argument around and ask why Apple is preventing them from using a real security company for this purpose. Or multiple security companies, why settle for only three layers of protection? Ultimately, the point of this ruling is that it gives you options.
Hands up, anyone who has had their CC info stolen by using Apple's App Store.
(Crickets)
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The devs will probably say this doesn't go far enough, but based on my experience doing IT support for home users, they absolutely need to be protected from themselves wherever possible.
Re: Leave Apple users alone (Score:2)
But then who's to ensure that some of these apps aren't just going to say "We gots yo' credit card numba', sucka'" and run off with it? Apple has (rather successfully) provided a walled garden that scammers are having trouble getting into. Arguments about their 30% Apple tax aside, they are doing a pretty good job.
My wife got tricked into paying for a couple subscriptions for scam apps from the apple store. When we requested a refund, Apple's response was "lol not a chance." Preventing scammers my ass, Apple is actively encouraging them since every penny the scammers make is profit for Apple.
If she'd used a credit card with an external payment processor, then we'd just dispute the charge through our bank, problem solved. But Apple has lots of ways to make her life miserable if we do a charge back, so that's not much
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But then who's to ensure that some of these apps aren't just going to say "We gots yo' credit card numba', sucka'" and run off with it? Apple has (rather successfully) provided a walled garden that scammers are having trouble getting into. Arguments about their 30% Apple tax aside, they are doing a pretty good job.
My wife got tricked into paying for a couple subscriptions for scam apps from the apple store. When we requested a refund, Apple's response was "lol not a chance." Preventing scammers my ass, Apple is actively encouraging them since every penny the scammers make is profit for Apple.
If she'd used a credit card with an external payment processor, then we'd just dispute the charge through our bank, problem solved. But Apple has lots of ways to make her life miserable if we do a charge back, so that's not much of an option.
Hopefully someday I'll convince her that doing business with Apple isn't worth it .
Prove it.
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If you think I'm publishing personal financial information to satisfy the demands of an obvious Apple fanboy [slashdot.org] who is butthurt about criticism of his favorite company, you're off your rocker.
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If you think I'm publishing personal financial information to satisfy the demands of an obvious Apple fanboy [slashdot.org] who is butthurt about criticism of his favorite company, you're off your rocker.
Nice try.
Ever heard of Redaction?
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Absolutely nothing, which is a Good Thing(tm).
A competing company is planning on setting up a competing payment system the instant Apple allows it. They plan on basically doing everything they ca
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Weird opinion.
I do want to use Apple stuff AND I do want developers to have a choice how they charge me. Apple is abusing their ownership of the App Store, which lessens the choice for me. If you want to keep on buying via the App Store and pay a 30% extra charge, you're free to do so. I like to have the choice of also paying less via another route.
It is perfectly doable for Apple to charge for using their App Store in a different way and still allow people who do not like that to buy via the App Store.
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Weird opinion.
I do want to use Apple stuff AND I do want developers to have a choice how they charge me. Apple is abusing their ownership of the App Store, which lessens the choice for me. If you want to keep on buying via the App Store and pay a 30% extra charge, you're free to do so. I like to have the choice of also paying less via another route.
It is perfectly doable for Apple to charge for using their App Store in a different way and still allow people who do not like that to buy via the App Store.
There is a whole wide world of Android out there. I suggest you use it.
Leave Apple Users alone.
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Again, weird opinion.
I AM an Apple user. I do not want to use Android, because it has a lot of downsides, especially data-hungry Google.
Discussions like this tend to become black and white, based on FUD. It is possible to reign in the power that big tech companies have without compromising any of the services that are offered to end users like us, actually it will offer us more choice. If it hurts their bottom line (billions for Apple in this case) they will feed us FUD to convince us of the contrary. Appar
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Again, weird opinion.
I AM an Apple user. I do not want to use Android, because it has a lot of downsides, especially data-hungry Google.
Discussions like this tend to become black and white, based on FUD. It is possible to reign in the power that big tech companies have without compromising any of the services that are offered to end users like us, actually it will offer us more choice. If it hurts their bottom line (billions for Apple in this case) they will feed us FUD to convince us of the contrary. Apparently you have been convinced by Tim Cook's FUD that Apple is less secure without the billion dollar profits from the App Store and his suggestion that you can also use Android.
Again, weird opinion.
I AM an Apple user. I do not want to use Android, because it has a lot of downsides, especially data-hungry Google.
Discussions like this tend to become black and white, based on FUD. It is possible to reign in the power that big tech companies have without compromising any of the services that are offered to end users like us, actually it will offer us more choice. If it hurts their bottom line (billions for Apple in this case) they will feed us FUD to convince us of the contrary. Apparently you have been convinced by Tim Cook's FUD that Apple is less secure without the billion dollar profits from the App Store and his suggestion that you can also use Android.
Wrong.
It is my long-held opinion that not only Users would suffer; but that Apple's reputation and brand would suffer; because, almost no one will bother to hear that the User got their ID stolen because they wanted to save $3 on an In-App purchase.
All that will come of it will be Apple-Haters crowing about how "Apple's App Store is no more secure than Android."
And, quite frankly, as an Apple-User, I have no interest in seeing Apple buried under story after story of App Store Users suffering the same Creden
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I dont want to deal with additional payment options. I feel that Apple is secure, and they have always sided with me when I ask for a refund. Dealing with one vendor is so much easier, and there are so many shady app developers out there. This sounds like asking for trouble, especially shen it comes to kids trying to buy stuff/apps.
If someone absolutely has to play fortnite on the go get an android phone. I don't understand this whole mess.
Don't want Apple to get 30% of everything? Don't buy their products.
Agreed.
And it's only 15% now for truly small-time App Developers.
On what grounds? (Score:2)
TFA does not say on what grounds the change should be halted? Apart from the 'it's oh so bad for consumers, really!' argument.
Anyone know what their legal arguments are?
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IANAL, but from reading the brief asking the trial court judge to stay her ruling... Apple asserts these changes would (a) substantially impact the implementation of the App Store and (b) place users at some risk.
From a legal basis, I believe that 'substantial harm' (and that includes the impact of changing business practices and software) is a legitimate basis to request a stay from a ruling pending appeal. Now the Appeals Court, when it considers the request for a stay, gets to include "likelihood of
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Here's Apple's response, which justifies their request for a stay and addresses Epic's concerns: https://www.scribd.com/documen... [scribd.com] (Scribd's pop-up every time you move the mouse out of the content is particularly obnoxious, the web designer that came up with that deserves to be flogged, hung, drawn and quartered.)
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TFA does not say on what grounds the change should be halted? Apart from the 'it's oh so bad for consumers, really!' argument.
Anyone know what their legal arguments are?
How about the simple truism that no one is forced to buy an Apple product (and thus no one has to use Apple's App Store), and that Apple in no way has even close to a monopolistic marketshare?
It's not like anyone is duped into any of this. These same rules have been in place for over a decade. Whatever happened to Caveat Emptor?
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It's a choice between two platforms that are either fucking you with regards to data mining or fucking you with higher prices than needed.
No, it is not a monopoly, but it is clearly not a level playing field either. So your proposal of using 'something else because it is possible' holds no ground.
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It's a choice between two platforms that are either fucking you with regards to data mining or fucking you with higher prices than needed.
No, it is not a monopoly, but it is clearly not a level playing field either. So your proposal of using 'something else because it is possible' holds no ground.
Yes, yes it does.
Sideloading! (Score:2)
Or bust!
They need to be forced to allow this.
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Or bust!
They need to be forced to allow this.
You do realize, of course, that Epic lost their "Sideloading" Claim, right?
In fact, out of 10 Claims, the only Claim Epic prevailed on was this one, allowing alternate Payment Processors in Apple's App Store.
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Cool, I still want that option.
But as Tim " Dont be poor" Cooks said " if you want sideloading get an android" that is what i will keep doing.
Sucks that apple rabid cult members dont dare in demanding more from their products, instead of continuing bending over for apple pockets well being.
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Cool, I still want that option.
But as Tim " Dont be poor" Cooks said " if you want sideloading get an android" that is what i will keep doing.
Sucks that apple rabid cult members dont dare in demanding more from their products, instead of continuing bending over for apple pockets well being.
That's what you fail to understand.
The very first time someone gets their CC info stolen through an alternate payment processor in the Apple App Store, Slashdot will have an article with 72-point type screaming about how Apple's App Store is now provably no more secure than Android.
Then the Haters will pile-on, and the fact that a non-Apple payment processor was used will be utterly buried under the sheer weight of the negative comments.
And, as an Apple-User, I know that eventually, weakening Apple eventual
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"And, as an Apple-User, I know that eventually, weakening Apple eventually will hurt every single Apple User."
Man, that some serious Stockholm Syndrome symptom there!
I imagine that you are waiting with baited breath that apple enable Gatekeeper on the Mac to the same level that iOS has it.
I said it, rabid cult members are the worst part of being an apple fan.
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"And, as an Apple-User, I know that eventually, weakening Apple eventually will hurt every single Apple User."
Man, that some serious Stockholm Syndrome symptom there!
I imagine that you are waiting with baited breath that apple enable Gatekeeper on the Mac to the same level that iOS has it.
I said it, rabid cult members are the worst part of being an apple fan.
Wrong.
I have absolutely no desire to see a Mac App Store-only Gatekeeper.
Phones are different. Grow up and understand that.