Apple Workers Collecting Stories of Abuse, Injustice In Workplace (vice.com) 117
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard, written by Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai: A group of Apple workers has announced a campaign to improve working conditions within the company. On Monday, company employees launched a Twitter account called Apple Workers to gather stories from colleagues about workplace issues such as "persistent patterns of racism, sexism, inequity, discrimination, intimidation, suppression, coercion, abuse, unfair punishment, and unchecked privilege." The account links to a website that contains the campaign's announcement as well as a link to join it.
"We've exhausted all internal avenues. We've talked with our leadership. We've gone to the People team. We've escalated through Business Conduct. Nothing has changed," the announcement read. "It's time to Think Different." "Connect with us to share your own experience, stay informed, or unite in solidarity with other current or former Apple workers. United, we can collaborate to iterate a healthier workplace," the announcement continued. "We are working together to craft a statement on our behalf, reflecting our stories and an outline of changes we expect to see Apple make."
The site also links to a "Wage Transparency Survey," an initiative led by Cher Scarlett, an Apple employee who has recently organized an internal survey to find out if there are wage gaps inside the company. "Apple colleagues of all types -- we are gathering in solidarity to push Apple to change internally," Scarlett wrote on Twitter. The Apple employees are organizing in part on Discord channel, according to the person who runs the channel, who goes by Fudge. The person described themselves as a former Apple Authorized Service Providers employee, and asked to remain anonymous. Fudge said that the Discord channel has around 200 current and former employees.
"We've exhausted all internal avenues. We've talked with our leadership. We've gone to the People team. We've escalated through Business Conduct. Nothing has changed," the announcement read. "It's time to Think Different." "Connect with us to share your own experience, stay informed, or unite in solidarity with other current or former Apple workers. United, we can collaborate to iterate a healthier workplace," the announcement continued. "We are working together to craft a statement on our behalf, reflecting our stories and an outline of changes we expect to see Apple make."
The site also links to a "Wage Transparency Survey," an initiative led by Cher Scarlett, an Apple employee who has recently organized an internal survey to find out if there are wage gaps inside the company. "Apple colleagues of all types -- we are gathering in solidarity to push Apple to change internally," Scarlett wrote on Twitter. The Apple employees are organizing in part on Discord channel, according to the person who runs the channel, who goes by Fudge. The person described themselves as a former Apple Authorized Service Providers employee, and asked to remain anonymous. Fudge said that the Discord channel has around 200 current and former employees.
So close, yet so far. (Score:5, Insightful)
[C]ompany employees launched a Twitter account called Apple Workers to gather stories from colleagues about workplace issues such as "persistent patterns of racism, sexism, inequity, discrimination, intimidation, suppression, coercion, abuse, unfair punishment, and unchecked privilege."
Racism, sexism, intimidation, coercion, abuse, unfair punishment, all things that need to be addressed. Suppression? What does that even mean? Unchecked privilege? That's called upper management in a US corporation. You have zero chance of eliminating it because it's a fundamental characteristic of the organization unless it has an extremely unusual charter.
Inequity? You done fucked up. Reality is unequal. Reality is always unequal. There's a whole song about "preventing inequity".
Listen to your Rush, kids. You might learning something.
Re:So close, yet so far. (Score:5, Insightful)
Enforced equality only works in a Harrison Bergeron-esque world.
What we should strive for is equal opportunity. And we're far, far away from that.
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if you showed up at my door at work and asked me if I let you test a multi million dollar machine, I'd probably also tell you no. But I'd certainly let you apply for a job and show to me that you can do it.
They didn't let you try out for the team?
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Maybe they expected you to hand them the money you make from selling those peanuts instead of pocketing it. Rookie mistake, happened to me, too when doing a security test on an ATM.
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Checked the privilege. Still where I left it, but thanks for your concern.
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Yes, after all, I control the NBA.
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Shouldn't the basketball court and the equipment be all inclusive?
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Hey now don't be jealous just because you aren't called a Genius at work. The even have their own bar. If that's not genius privilege, I don't know what is.
Re:So close, yet so far. (Score:4, Funny)
Apple Genius is in the same line of oxymorons as Microsoft Works and military intelligence.
Just with more emphasis on the moron.
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Microsoft Works. Haha the oldies but goodies.
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I believe they mean unequal pay/treatment for the same type of work, not the fact the janitor is not paid what the CEO is.
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So if you have an experienced worker and a novice worker who do the same work, because, well, there ain't just so many different nuances in the highly diversified job title of "sanitation manager", I have to pay them the same?
Here's what this means in the end: You don't get a job as a novice. You won't be hired. I will only hire people who can show experience. Because they cost the same as the dud I have to train for a few months first.
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For the sake of discussion let's define "same work" as having generally the same experience also, at least exclude newbies. What often happens is that the person a manager favors gets a loftier title and pay for the same work as somebody they don't favor.
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I generally agree, but we have to be careful to avoid something like this backfiring. I'm not so sure there is a way to avoid unfair treatment, because no matter how you word it, there's always ways to weasel out. What's "experience"? Because I could just claim that for the job at hand, the ancient Cobol coding someone did back in ancient times is "worthy experience" while the javascript programming someone did isn't. Why? "Because it doesn't apply". And even if both people have the same experience, worker
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My solution was simply to pay everyone exactly the same amount of money, which is also something I pretty much tell everyone when they get hired. There's a bit extra on top for those that have been with the company longer, but that's outside my decision, that's a company policy.
That would never work. Usually when a hiring manager has a position to fill, and they find the right person while interviewing, the person will generally outright refuse the job unless they get at least a certain amount. You might have more luck in a job market that has high unemployment. IT work in particular has very low unemployment right now, which means that if you want to convince somebody else to leave their current job that they might like, you'll need to offer them significantly more money to make
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I guess we're paying well enough to be convincing, then.
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They're pretty good. What certainly helps is the job perks, a near unlimited training and conference budget and a fairly good work environment.
At some level of pay, you'll notice that people stop caring for money too much. It's usually when they notice that they also need to have enough spare time to actually spend it.
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This is why companies think there is a skill shortage. They aren't willing to train and employees expect more money when they are trained and experienced.
Used to be that people joined as an apprentice and there is a clear path for them to work their way up within the company, but now that is gone there is zero loyalty and the only way to get a rise is to jump ship.
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Loyalty isn't a one way street. If you treat workers like they're replacable cogs in your machine, they will treat you like you're a replacable machine too.
My grandfather worked in a large factory, long hours and hard work. You know, back in the dark ages of the industry, with all the funny things we get to see in various movies, yet he had a feeling of loyalty to that company for a very simple reason: The big boss, the factory owner, knew his people's name. He knew them. All of them. There was no familiari
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Also, in that time, laying people off was a last resort. Doing so felt like failure and was seen as failure by people on the outside. Stocks could take a hit on the news. If you wanted positive press, announcing a retraining program to get your workforce ready for the next decade was a good way to do it.
Now, it's "right sizing" and when it happens they pop champagne corks on Wall Street. Mercenary CEOs known for big layoffs are celebrated and given charming nicknames like "chainsaw" (at least until they're
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Like I said, it ain't a one way street. If I wanted an abusive relationship, I could at least get laid in it instead of just screwed.
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Exactly. For a long time, someone wanting to be a programmer or operator for IBM would be given an aptitude test. The best scores would be hired on to an entry level position and be trained in programming from the ground up. There was no expectation that the applicant had even seen a computer before.
These days, HR can't even be bothered to consider years of experience in a related (but not the same) technology.
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Even that is problematic; same title, two different people, one person is a better negotiator.
That's if you believe job titles define job responsibilities, which...let's be honest, that's a joke. Some can work fine on their own and have additional responsibilities because of it. Some can't be trusted to sharpen a pencil without playing 20 questions. Same job title.
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Racism, sexism, intimidation, coercion, abuse, unfair punishment, all things that need to be addressed. Suppression? What does that even mean? Unchecked privilege?
What utter horseshit.
These are not factory workers ( the people who actually make all the products that Apple sells and generates enormous profits from.) *THEY* probably do have legitimate complaints about abuse.
No, these are spoiled, overpaid, entitled brats who sit in an office all day, producing nothing of value, which gives them plenty of free time to dream up new things to be outraged about.
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No, these are spoiled, overpaid, entitled brats who sit in an office all day, producing nothing of value
They may be spoiled, overpaid, and entitled—but they do produce things of value. Apple isn't one of the most successful companies in the world because they have the best factory workers.
Do I think that their outrage is ridiculous and hyperbolic? Yes. But I have worked with plenty of people who were easily outraged over minor grievances and they had plenty of talent and were plenty productive. Talent and productivity aren't necessarily related to perspective.
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Apple is the richest company on Earth, clearly they do create things of great value.
Kind of amazing that Slashdot, of all places, has a thing about knowledge workers.
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Kind of amazing that Slashdot, of all places, has a thing about knowledge workers.
Depends on the workers.
My boss and all management are morons and assholes (OK!)
The only way HR could find their ass with both hands is if the instruction manual for evil was taped to it (OK!)
Tech is full of age discrimination (OK)
My coworkers are incompetent code monkeys who spew excrement on the keyboard (OK)
Promotion is all politics and nepotism so I never get promoted (OK)
Female programmer makes a complaint (bUt iTs A mErIt
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I think some people just think that they are the best so any system that rewards them must be a meritocracy.
Furthermore it's offensive to even suggest that luck of privilege had anything to do with their success, it was all pure skill and hard work.
I'm skeptical it's legit...sounds like bad parody (Score:3)
Racism, sexism, intimidation, coercion, abuse, unfair punishment, all things that need to be addressed.
Serious organizers would focus on a few of these. Anyone who has ever organized before would focus on a narrow subset of these.
...pranksters...satirists...or people who are insincere in their intentions. However, let's say I'm wrong and this
You know who throws all these meaningless terms into a manifesto?
Re:I'm skeptical it's legit...sounds like bad paro (Score:4, Interesting)
...woke people are the real problem in this world...but they don't really exist outside twitter and the few that do are not to be taken seriously.
They not only exist, they've gotten people fired from jobs. More than one. Unjustly. They've caused real damage. Not a lot of damage. Very little damage, in the grand scheme of things. But damage just the same.
Fortunately it appears that the whole movement is starting to crumble. It's eating itself from the inside and it's collapsing from without as the venture capital which propped up a dozen useless "news" websites that were trying to change the world is drying up. Huffington Post is a shadow of its former self and it was only the canary in the coal mine. I expect the destruction to engulf all of the worst of the online agitator websites and there's an outside chance it forces even Twitter to pivot. They became the worst enemies of the causes they were allegedly championing and it's all coming down on their heads.
I think they're also doomed because their causus belli has vanished. Trump is out of office and Trump will never hold office again and Trump is banned from Twitter and Trump will never tweet again and without him, they have to drum up their own outrage, and let's face it, Trump was way better at it than they are. They're dredging up ComicsGate again this past couple of weeks, they're so desperate, and nobody cares. The world has moved on and the clicks aren't coming back. There never were enough of them anyway.
It couldn't be happening to a nicer bunch of people.
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Isn't complaining about being suppressed the favourite activity of conservatives these days? Constantly being cancelled, censored and driven out.
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It's interesting how that comfortable sits side by side with tech being a meritocracy so all discrimination against minorities is illusory.
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Suppression? What does that even mean? Unchecked privilege? That's called upper management in a US corporation.
Suppression, n,
1. the action of suppressing something such as an activity or publication.
HTH,
Now "Unchecked privilege" means "I can do whatever the fuck I like to you and you can't do anything about it. You cant complain, you cant oppose me, you don't even get a say because if you displease me I'll ruin your fucking life" and it should never be accepted as the status quo.
You have zero chance of eliminating it because it's a fundamental characteristic of the organization
Wrong. Over here in Europe we figured out long ago that giving the monied elite unlimited power was a very, very fucking bad idea.
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Suppression? What does that even mean? Unchecked privilege? That's called upper management in a US corporation.
Suppression, n, 1. the action of suppressing something such as an activity or publication. HTH, Now "Unchecked privilege" means "I can do whatever the fuck I like to you and you can't do anything about it. You cant complain, you cant oppose me, you don't even get a say because if you displease me I'll ruin your fucking life" and it should never be accepted as the status quo.
You have zero chance of eliminating it because it's a fundamental characteristic of the organization
Wrong. Over here in Europe we figured out long ago that giving the monied elite unlimited power was a very, very fucking bad idea. So we organised, created governments that represented ordinary people, laws that ensured those born into wealth could not use that to dominate our lives by controlling our employment or our housing (and more recently our healthcare). Put simply if my employer tries to take advantage of me, I can walk and not have to worry about my health or welfare... If they try to take advantage of me illegally, I can level charges against them (not sue, actual, occasionally criminal charges). I've never understood the juxtaposition of Americans. You claim to hold freedom in the highest of regard... but when it comes to standing up to your employer, the one who lords over you the most, *crickets*.
Well bless your little heart..
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I'm not sure how well Rush understood forestry. Pruning is occasionally needed to maintain not only a healthy forest, but to keep the pruned tree itself healthy.
Bad analogies aside... Anyone working in an office for Apple is hardly the prime target of their "coercion", "abuse", and "unfairness." Pushing planned obsolescence and vendor lock-in on their customers is a big part of their business. So is utilizing near-slave-labor in China.
Of course they don't give a damn about microagressions or whatever. As th
Re: So close, yet so far. (Score:2)
It's the Afghanistan of internal practices (Score:2)
For any "reporting system" there will always be riff-raff and trolls who abuse the system and essentially do a DOS attack on it. I'm not saying it's not worth trying, only that the risk of the works getting gummed up with junk complaints and confusing complaints is high. Office politics is very messy.
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Not to mention that there are a few people with lots of power in the company who have a vested interest to do just that.
Great (Score:5, Insightful)
Now fill it with the accounts of men who have been told in private meetings that they can't be promoted because they're straight white males. In my company we were told that we have to hire gay, female, or black people, but not straight whtie men. Doesn't matter if they were more qualified or a better fit. Not straight white men. 100% illegal. Doesn't seem to matter today.
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Also about aggrandizing power.
Imagine a future in which this Twitter account becomes incredibly popular. Thousands of people use it, it's highly publicized, articles are written about it, everyone talks about it all day, etc. It's controlled by an unknown person or group and in an instant they could make any allegation frontpage news. Does that sound like the kind of power that would make the problem better, or does it sound like the kind of thing that'd instantly be abused? An anonymous Twitter account fil
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Quote from one of my favorite standup routines by Jeff Wayne:
They say "promote women and minorities." Why don't they just say "fuck the white male?"
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You are really quite lucky that people aren't out for revenge, considering what was done to them, what is being done to them.
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You are really quite lucky that people aren't out for revenge, considering what was done to them, what is being done to them.
They are out for revenge. I've heard them say so. When I ask what was done to them they can't cite anything because nothing was done to them. They just know that somehow something was done to them. As a white male there's no question I've been discriminated against for the past 40 years. I've been told that many times. The next thing they say is - there is nothing I can do about it in a very - FU manner. Nothing personal. They do it to all the white males.
The best way for gay and others to not be discrimina
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The irony the world is about to gradually find out is that white straight society has been amongst the world's least racist, least hateful, least oppressive, least stereotyping and most empathic.
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Now fill it with the accounts of men who have been told in private meetings that they can't be promoted because they're straight white males.
I guess you can just make stuff up and post it, like this:
In my company we were told that we have to hire gay, female, or black people, but not straight white men.
No you weren't. Stop making stuff up.
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Well did you report them to the police then? It is most likely literally illegal in your country.
But I'm sure you won't believe me either.
Frankly I don't. I thin kit's much more likely they said something else and you are massively overinterpreting it.
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Yes, I was told that on multiple occasions, as over about ten years we've hired five people. My friends have told me similar things. It's common in the tech industry
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Right so the company did something illegal and so you reported it to the police, right?
And no I think you're either just making shit up because it sounds right or you have wildly over interpreted some comment, misreading it entirely.
I've been in the tech industry 20 years now and I've never once heard that. Not a single time and none of my friends have.
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>Right so the company did something illegal and so you reported it to the police, right?
Imagine for a minute that what I describe is accurate. You really think that what you describe is the best course of action? That it'd actually fix the systemic problem with the tech industry? Going to the police? Walking into a police station and saying that you have evidence and want to be a whistle-blower, and then saying that they're violating anti-discrimination laws against straight white men. That you had verba
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Imagine for a minute that what I describe is accurate. You really think that what you describe is the best course of action?
And now you understand why very few women actually report blatantly illegal things like this to the authorities.
I note that standard that is applied to women here (that's illegal she should have gone to the police then) does not seem to be applied to men.
I was told it to my face multiple times.
This seems very unlikely. I think you were told something else that you have overinterpreted
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>And now you understand why very few women actually report blatantly illegal things like this to the authorities.
Okay?
You're again showing your bias and prejudice by assuming that simply because I disagree with you, I would've already somehow taken a contrary position on this too. You seem like a very close-minded and ideologically possessed person.
>Either you're full of it or you sat on your ass and did nothing with it happening right in front of you for years.
Normally I'd say that your experience is
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You're again showing your bias and prejudice by assuming that simply because I disagree with you, I would've already somehow taken a contrary position on this too.
Many have. You're presumably not the only person reading this. It is a public forum.
If you're really in the tech industry in California
I am not. I'm British, living in London, working for an American company.
I suspect you're probably ideologically possessed and in all instances where you could've pulled a thread to discover this type of rampant,
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I'm not sure you're qualified to talk about California if you're not living there, re: your signature. In my experience in the US people on the left and right very, very often despise California, but it's for legitimate reasons.
Perhaps there's a cultural difference and you haven't seen what I have.
It's been over two years now since we've hired anyone, so I don't remember the exact words. But it was something like, "this time we're going to have to focus on diverse candidates." "I mean, I don't want to recom
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I'm not sure you're qualified to talk about California if you're not living there, re: your signature.
There are alot of right wing nutcases here who harp on about how evil liberals are, get woke go broke, and how California is so awful because of all those things. Except it has a fucking huge economy, more than any red state. Money of course being the proof of righteousness. And that's why they despise California. It stands for everything they hate and know is wrong yet succeeds at the things they believe i
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>There are alot of right wing nutcases here who harp on about how evil liberals are, get woke go broke, and how California is so awful because of all those things.
So you're coming to broad, sweeping generalizations about another country based on your observations of Slashdot users? Do you consider that rational? Is it rational for you to say that the reason people don't like California is because those are the type of people that have annoyed you on Slashdot?
>The rest is just people either not wanting
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Did you complain about it? If not, what stopped you?
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I did complain about it, but not up the chain of command, not over my boss's head. The directive came down from them to my boss, and it's the same in every major tech company. It's a conspiracy to break the laws against racism and discrimination.
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Didn't want to be a whistleblower?
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And lose my job and be unhireable by the entire industry for the rest of my life?
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Can you not do it anonymously?
Frankly, I just don't believe this shit anymore. (Score:3, Interesting)
I expect this to be blue haired, activist types, complaining about effectively nonexistent things.
I have 2 sources at Google and I get the impression the extreme left types spend more time looking for injustices the company is doing, rather than work, including forming clubs and spending effectively all day on this shit rather than working.
Certainly suspect Apple and Google are not flawless angels, however the types making a fuss like this would absoloutely the ones assuming a business without 50% male 50% female staff is _must_ be sexist. Etc.
I expect this to be the "You dared hire a white male" types and or "If you're white, you're fundamentally racist" etc. (9 times out of 10, these people themselves are white)
I identify as left but the extreme left has done such ridiculous things the past decade it's become nothing but an embarassment.
I could be wrong, but I doubt it based simply on some of the terms used in the news post.
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Union organizers (Score:1)
have 2 sources at Google and I get the impression the extreme left types spend more time looking for injustices the company is doing, rather than work
This is what happens when union organizers get in the door. Their job is to stir up support for the union, not to work for the company.
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Yep, forming a mob will end well. (Score:2)
They would have the same luck trying to form a union.
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Maybe this is their power play to try and force permanent work from home. That was the most recent dispute between Apple and employees.
Cancel folks are going to be unemployed. (Score:1)
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I worked for 45 years in the tech industry. We hired the best that we could(and afford).
lol sure.
I mean don't get me wrong everyone says that. I hire the best people I can afford of course, I'd be nuts not to.
And yet somehow everyone also complains about how much shit code and how many raging morons there are. So something doesn't add up.
In some cases I've seen it's easy to identify. One person I knew liked hiring people who were essentially clones of himself (even from the same region), with exactly the sa
Uncheck Privilege? (Score:1)
Salary Transparency (Score:1)
Ready to work (Score:1)
Sounds to me like inmates have designs on running the asylum.
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What is "unchecked priviledge?" I've googled a bit and still can't find a precise definition.
The whole thing smacks of an attempt to politically agitate Apple staff.
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It means some people working at Apple benefit greatly from privilege. Rather than being a meritocracy they gain simply because of their privilege.
An example would be a less qualified person getting promoted because the system equates age with experience and skill, rather than because they are the best at their job.
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What it really means is that there're some idiots at Apple that put people into little boxes based on things like skin color or sexual orientation and treat everyone in that category as some perceived average of it. That's the privilege part of it. No matter what your personal experiences might be, you can be reduced to a member of a category and judged based
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It means some people working at Apple benefit greatly from privilege. Rather than being a meritocracy they gain simply because of their privilege.
You can't define a word with itself. Your argument is "people are privileged because they are privileged".
An example would be a less qualified person getting promoted because the system equates age with experience and skill, rather than because they are the best at their job.
This is an example of discrimination, not privilege. Two completely different words with completely different meanings.
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An example would be a less qualified person getting promoted because the system equates age with experience and skill, rather than because they are the best at their job.
An example would be a less qualified person getting promoted because of her race/gender/sexual orientation, rather than because they are the best at their job.
There. FTFY. Seriously, how do you solve a problem of under-represented minority in a corporation, like Google? If the objective is to have the same percentage of blacks working in Google as there are, say, in the U.S. (about 13%), and Google has only a 4% black worker population, you would HAVE to discriminate against the majority of workers in Go
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What is "unchecked priviledge?" I've googled a bit and still can't find a precise definition.
If you can't understand what that means you lack a basic understanding of the English language.
Allow me to break it down barney style for you. "Unchecked privilege" means I get to do whatever the fuck I want to you, you do not get to even argue about it with me, you have no recourse, you don't even get a say because if you displease me I'll ruin your fucking life.
In Europe, we learned that having an unaccountable ruling class based on wealth was a very, very bad idea hundreds of years ago.
"Unchecked privilege"? (Score:3, Insightful)
"Unchecked privilege"? Seriously?
Well, it seems we are going to be moving towards an economic world of quite small businesses. Once any business today is above a critical mass, it descends into a seething mass of weird contradictory obsessions.
200 out of how many thousands? (Score:2)
I work for a large company, part of a group that employs about as many people as Apple.
I'm pretty damn sure that group will have employees and former employees within it, who could make the same allegations and likely, a lot of it would be true.
But it would probably be true within the context of their own experiences within the teams they were part of, rather than a systematic company ideology.
That doesn't make it right, but it does lend context. How many employees are actually happy at the company? How man
Boomer purge (Score:2)
The Mils think they know best and want to purge the last non-photogenic management Boomers.
They have already gotten rid of most of the vestiges of NeXTstep, to their detriment.
Dumping Interface Builder concepts for SwiftUI was idiocy. Five steps backwards.
An interface defined by a text file pyramid of doom. How quaint.
I am surprised that they even remember that there are developers any more.
They no longer bother with API documentation other than what is in the header files.
They were all hot on SceneKit/Real
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All in all, when they said Apple will fall without Steve Jobs is coming true.
This is tautologically true. Apple is unlikely to last forever , e.g. a thousand years like that Japanese mochi shop. And jobs died with apple very much existing therefore it is overwhelmingly likely that Apple will fail without Jobs.
Meanwhile they are currently #1.
I wish them luck (Score:2)
I suspect they're going to need it as they've likely placed a giant target on their backs and will be pushed out soon enough. The sad reality is, companies the size of Apple aren't really afraid of the EEOC because they know they'll just settle any case for what amounts to pocket change for Apple and is cheaper than actually addressing the problem, since sometimes it goes all the way to the top.
I worked for a big name computer component manufacturer, which pretty much everyone here would likely recognize. F
Whiners (Score:2)
Whiners. Winers? Whiners!
Parasites (Score:2)
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You are seriously equating sexism and misogyny with vaccine mandates?
Are you high?
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You are seriously equating sexism and misogyny with vaccine mandates?
Are you high?
It's moronic political contrarianism.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump... [newsweek.com]
Note the date. Smear is all they got.
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Trump really was a gift to the Democrats. He drove people to the polls that would otherwise never care. Now that the news refuses to say anything bad about our board of directors (Biden isn't running shit, his board is), people are not constantly mad about what is happening.
Sure, fox and friends, but that's what those channels sell. Outrage. Well, they all do but Fox and friends especially.
If all the Democrat voters think things are fine and skip voting, they may end up handing the race to the Republicans t
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Eliminate sexism, anti-feminism, and misogyny in the workplace.
While being eliminated, bring in workplace mandates for vaccines.
Sounds good to me, let's do it!