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macOS Big Sur is Now Available To Download (theverge.com) 86

Apple on Thursday released the latest version of macOS: macOS Big Sur (also known as macOS 11.0), which is available to download now -- assuming you have a compatible Mac. From a report: Big Sur is one of the biggest updates to Apple's laptop and desktop software in years, featuring a top-to-bottom redesign of the interface, icons, and menu bar, a new control center UI borrowed from iOS, widgets (also borrowed from iOS), and a variety of other improvements (see here for the full list). It's such a big change that Apple is actually moving on from the OS X / OS 10 branding that it's been using for Macs for almost 20 years. Apple's also adding some new privacy-focused features, including better tracking information in Safari and new privacy data in the Mac App Store for any apps you download. ArsTechnica has published a comprehensive review of the new operating system. An excerpt from their conclusion: The Good
The bright, fresh visual style mostly looks pretty good.
The Control Center (and other changes to the upper-right section of the Menu Bar) are genuinely useful additions.
The Messages app finally catches up to its iOS/iPadOS counterpart, thanks to Catalyst.
The APFS version of Time Machine seems like an improvement, though we'll need to wait to see what its long-term reliability is like.
Aside from the old AFP file-sharing protocol and the Network Utility, Big Sur doesn't remove too many things or add many new security settings that will break apps. There may be some visual issues, but my experience has actually been that Apple breaks a lot fewer apps moving from Catalina to Big Sur than it did moving from Mojave to Catalina.

The Bad
A general reduction in contrast makes it harder to discern the difference between many buttons and controls at a glance.
If you want to fix any of these contrast issues in the Accessibility settings, it should be possible to increase contrast or reduce transparency in certain places without making it an all-or-nothing setting. Some of the new buttons and icons are nice. Some of them are less nice.
Big Sur on Apple Silicon Macs will give up the ability to run Windows in a virtual machine or on a separate partition, though Intel Macs can still do both things.

The Ugly
As usual, Apple is just a year or two more aggressive about dropping support for old Macs than I think they really need to be.

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macOS Big Sur is Now Available To Download

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  • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:51PM (#60716728)
    You know the rest
    • by UPi ( 137083 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:30PM (#60716908) Homepage
      For $1000 I'll make you one that goes to 12 :)

      The bright, fresh visual style mostly looks pretty good.

      Why is this in "the good"? Software looks visually appealing, it has for some years. We have reached diminishing returns a good while back. What matters is usability, on which point here comes:

      A general reduction in contrast makes it harder to discern the difference between many buttons and controls at a glance.

      Fuck you. So we are at a point where the best way you can distinguish between a "badge" and a "button" or a "link" and a "static text" is to hover it with the mouse pointer and see if there's a subtle change in shade. Congratulations, you made braille interfaces and regular UI's equally usable by turning the regular UI's into braille interfaces.

      • by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:53PM (#60716998)

        Came here to say pretty much this. And it's not just Apple - it's in Linux and Windows too. This whole trend of sacrificing usability in the name of a sophomoric poser-driven aesthetic 'philosophy' needs to be put down; form must serve function, NEVER the other way around.

        What the fuck do these morons have against colour, contrast, shading, and gradation? It's not like a UI that employs these things needs to be gaudy or ugly - there have been many that were quite beautiful and clean-looking.

        • by Falos ( 2905315 )

          I can't stand how distinct my post looks from yours. These lines and stuff are just noise and clatter. And separate articles is a wasted opportunity for infinite scrolling. Slashdot should be seamless. How old is their graphical consultant, 30? Yikes.

      • it has for some years

        I found the Slashdotter who still wears flared jeans.

  • by operator_error ( 1363139 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:03PM (#60716780)
    Seriously, are the fonts displayed within the user-interface adjustable? I'm spoiled on Ubuntu this way, and frustrated beyond belief with Mac OSX this way. I like my fonts big, what else can I say? Well, on a side note, my idea of a good monitor is a 4k, 43" TV from Wal-Mart.
    • Seriously, are the fonts displayed within the user-interface adjustable?

      In Catalina and I think in previous versions, you open System Preferences->Displays and then from there can select what size scaling you want for the display...

      It's not exactly the same as just altering the system font though as it affects other elements.

      On Big Sur maybe they've made that more configurable, not sure.

    • by gosso920 ( 6330142 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:20PM (#60716870)
      I like big fonts, and I cannot lie...
      • You postscripters can't deny...
        When the girl walks in with an itty bitty mac and big text on her screen ...

    • by Megane ( 129182 )

      Apple has moved most of that into "Accessibility" settings. There are also other hidden settings that have no GUI exposure and require you to use the "defaults write" command-line app. There is a lot of annoying bullshit you can turn off if you know the proper magical incantations.

      What really bugs me is how both Apple and MS constantly change their UI themes around. You don't like this year's flatter, lower-contrast window theme? Fuck you! MS has a little more customization, but I hear it's not possible no

  • by Moryath ( 553296 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:05PM (#60716786)
    Honestly, this is one of my biggest arguments against buying a Mac, ever. Their forced obsolescence policies are so aggressive that about the only way to get your money's worth out of an Intelmac was to convert it to Windows, and that turned into a nightmare as well when they started playing coy about drivers and Win10 compatibility.

    Sure, there will be people saying "just stay on the previous versions of MacOS then", but it's not viable to run an OS no longer receiving regular patching and security updates if you need to show compliance and reasonable risk analysis for machines outside of a "home user" environment.
    • Every ios developer will need to update xcode, which means the SDK, their phone, and probably make a bunch of app changes because of this. With android you can just install any version of Android Studio with any SDK on almost any OS.
      • Not everything (Score:3, Informative)

        by SuperKendall ( 25149 )

        Every ios developer will need to update xcode, which means the SDK, their phone, and probably make a bunch of app changes because of this.

        I'm an iOS developer. While you do have to update Xcode over time to be able to submit apps, you do not have to update everything...

        For instance, I have a phone I keep on purpose at iOS 11 for testing. That works just fine with the latest Xcode. You could keep your phone on iOS 13 for a long time if you wanted. Or heck, even on 12 since almost all apps would support t

        • by Malc ( 1751 )

          You just need to use a newer Xcode to re-compile to submit updates.

          And this is what forces you as an iOS developer to update macOS. Or maybe you can do it in a VM, but you're sacrificing a lot of very expensive Apple SSD to do that, especially with an Xcode 12 install starting at over 30GB.

          macOS on the otherhand is a different story. I have a Profile 3,something Core 2 Duo machine from Feb 2009 run macOS 10.11 and still fine for my needs at home. Ok, excluding Lightroom. But as an iOS developer you're f

          • by Malc ( 1751 )

            That should have said Feb 2008. I bought the thing shortly before moving to Shanghai, and totally ignored the Olympics when I was there for various reasons!

    • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:18PM (#60716856) Homepage Journal

      Sure, my 2009 Athlon II -based TV computer runs Ubuntu 20.04, but it's not fair to expect Apple to have the same resources as Canonical. How can Apple be expected to find out the details of all that old, obscure hardware? That iMac from several years ago might anything inside it!

      • by klipclop ( 6724090 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:28PM (#60716904)
        I have a mid 2009 macbook pro 5,2 running Catalina thanks to DOSdude1. No reason for apple to not support old hardware.
        • No reason for apple to not support old hardware.

          Sure there is - it's called psychopathy, and ALL the cool corporations are into it - have been since day one. They're just becoming more brazen about it now that they have almost limitless power over the serfs who rent - never own - the products they rape the planet to produce.

        • I've actually been thinking about swapping in a faster CPU (2.26GHz c2d isn't anything to write home about, but 8GB RAM lets it slog its way through most tasks) and undertaking the update on my (also) mid-2009 MBP... any thoughts/insight on the process?
          • Actually, I guess the CPU is soldered in (should've known)... still interested in going ahead with the update.
          • If anyone wonders why a machine this old isn't put out to pasture - they make great coffee table machines... hard case makes them unlike to suffer damage from minor falls, and the weight keeps the dog from ripping the thing to the floor (enough resistance to let the magsafe connection pop out) ... Also, most excellent for running Marathon (Aleph One engine) in its natural habitat.
      • You joke, but Apple regularly forgets what hardware they put in their own machines.

        In the past, they've used parts from manufacturers that didn't have valid PCI vendor IDs, and "faked" IDs from other manufacturers. This caused the OS to load the wrong drivers. Once, I couldn't get audio working on my Mac after an update, because the OS misidentified the vendor of the audio chip. I guess older versions of the OS had some kind of hack to load the "correct" driver, but those hacks were removed in the newer

    • How is it obsolete? (Score:4, Informative)

      by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:19PM (#60716860)

      Their forced obsolescence policies

      Just because it's not going to run Big Sur does not make it obsolete.

      I still use for travel, a late 2013 MacBook Pro - just on the edge, but it will still take the Big Sur update. That is seven years, which seems like a pretty good range to me...

      But even if it were not - my wife still uses an older Apple MacBook Pro Mid 2010 17". She uses it for work and other things, around 10-12 hours a day - It's not able to move beyond High Sierra, but is perfectly usable for most things to this day.

      Sure, there will be people saying "just stay on the previous versions of MacOS then", but it's not viable to run an OS no longer receiving regular patching and security updates

      Older models will still be receiving patching and security updates. That is somewhat independent of the OS release.

        I think Apple has a pretty decent range in what they support with releases, especially when you consider that even systems that cannot get a Big Sur update will still be getting other system updates for a while yet.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        That machine must be fun to use now the meltdown and spectre patches removed most of the speed from the CPU in the name of security.

        • That machine must be fun to use now the meltdown and spectre patches removed most of the speed from the CPU in the name of security.

          Not actually sure intel ever issued fixes for CPU's that old? I know High Sierra did address those.

          In any case none of the Macs I have ever felt much different after the Spectre fiasco... I think Apple's patches did not impact performance as much and Windows did.

      • by Malc ( 1751 )

        She's lucky that machine is still running. I had one and loved it. It suffered the usual fate of this model of the solder failing leading to the graphics dying. I even tried the solder re-flow trick of taking out the motherboard and briefly baking it in the oven, which resurrected it for a few months.

        • She's lucky that machine is still running. I had one and loved it. It suffered the usual fate of this model of the solder failing leading to the graphics dying.

          Maybe I inadvertently gave the system immortality by dropping it three feet onto a stone tile floor at airport security... it only slightly dented one corner (which took the brunt of the impact) and forever after it has a kind of subtle "stage lighting" effect along the very bottom of the screen with series of brighter spots. It was so minor I never

      • by antdude ( 79039 )

        I would be worried if your wife's old MBP have security holes, infections, etc. :/

        • I would be worried if your wife's old MBP have security holes, infections, etc. :/

          It still receives security patches from time to time.

          It has the latest version of Safari.

          So why would I be particularly worried about security holes compared to newer systems?

          Thew main way in which it is pretty safe, is that we almost never install new software on it... between a patched Safari, security updates, and pretty much just running the same software it's probably better off security wise than most new computers!

    • Honestly, this is one of my biggest arguments against buying a Mac, ever. Their forced obsolescence policies are so aggressive that about the only way to get your money's worth out of an Intelmac was to convert it to Windows, and that turned into a nightmare as well when they started playing coy about drivers and Win10 compatibility.

      Sure, there will be people saying "just stay on the previous versions of MacOS then", but it's not viable to run an OS no longer receiving regular patching and security updates if you need to show compliance and reasonable risk analysis for machines outside of a "home user" environment.

      They provide security updates for OS major releases for a number of years after they stop being "current", for example one was provided for Mojave at the beginning of last month.

      In fact my experience with Macs in the corporate workplace has been quite different in that the SecOps people often keep you stuck on a prior release because the stranglehold that VPN vendors have on them keep them from updating until the VPN vendor updates its clients. Why on earth VPN client side stuff isn't a shared standard tha

      • by Anonymous Coward

        They provide security updates for OS major releases for a number of years after they stop being "current", for example one was provided for Mojave at the beginning of last month.

        That argument would be a bit more compelling if the "number" in your example was greater than one (Mojave stopped being current on October 7, 2019).

    • My MacBook can run Windows just fine. Suck it Apple.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Forced obsolescence? Actually, Apple beats everyone else at keeping old hardware going. I future-proofed by opting for an i7 processor in my 2013 iMac, and it's still perfectly adequate for all tasks, including heavy photo editing, and still supports all software upgrades. How many Windows boxes are still in good shape after seven years, and without any trace of Windows Mystery Slowdown (tm) ??

    • by tzanger ( 1575 )

      I'm not sure what you're talking about - I *just* upgraded my 2012 11" MacBook Air to an Intel Pro 13... that is 8 years of 6-16h days on that little Air. I did get the i7 and 8G of RAM when I bought it, but that machine has been *fantastic* all this time, and supported the entire time. It's still working in fact, just not as my daily driver.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Yaztromo ( 655250 )

      Their forced obsolescence policies are so aggressive

      The oldest Macs supported are from 2013. That doesn't seem overly "aggressive" to me.

      Yaz

    • by Megane ( 129182 )
      There is also some aggressive forced obsolescence going on with Qt as well. They aggressively deprecate older OS versions, probably to keep their non-free versions relevant. The result is that a lot of open-source apps won't run on older OS versions for no particularly good reason. And often the older versions of such open-source apps are simply no longer available. I just noticed yesterday that the current KiCad requires 10.14. (Good thing I installed a version on 10.13 a few months ago, I should be able t
  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:08PM (#60716800)

    Big Sur on Apple Silicon Macs will give up the ability to run Windows

    In fairness, that's not really a Big Sur issue, that's an M1 issue. It's not like back porting Catalina would magically enable Apple Silicon Macs to run Windows...

  • Performance? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by spaceyhackerlady ( 462530 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:11PM (#60716806)

    When I upgraded my late 2014 Mac Mini to Catalina it brought it to its knees. Yes, it's supported, but it's not a snappy performer. I assume Big Sur will be worse and won't be upgrading any time soon.

    ...laura

    • could be different given this is likely an update to properly support their new M1 chip release. I'd figure the OS itself is meant to run on the low end cores of the M1 and not take up any of the higher end cores. Could mean better performance than Catalina.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • by Malc ( 1751 )

        It's that 32GB of RAM that probably makes the biggest difference. I have an SSD from an old laptop that I plug in and boot from a 32GB 2013 Mac Pro and a 16GB 2015 MBP. Very quickly hits the swap file these days with the MBP.

  • by xack ( 5304745 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:14PM (#60716826)
    Only 472MB of 12.18GB downloaded after an hour on a 300Megabit connectionj.
  • by Etcetera ( 14711 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:18PM (#60716850) Homepage

    It’s not really relevant, but according to Apple’s documentation, it is actually technically possible to make a five-way universal binary that includes 32-bit PowerPC code, 64-bit PowerPC code, 32-bit Intel code, 64-bit Intel code, and 64-bit ARM code. I can’t imagine why a developer would spend time on this, but it is impressive just how long this specific method of app packaging has been useful for Apple as it has navigated various architectural transitions.

    Pshhhh. Wake me up when I can run fat binaries in this as well for my 68k codebases.

  • or just ARM based?
    • by Indy1 ( 99447 )

      Should work on Intel no problem, Apple mentions support for many older models that are Intel based.

  • Dropped support is a forced upgrade and more revenue. When people think a product is so great and so cool they have to have it, they will take their money.

  • by call -151 ( 230520 ) * on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:35PM (#60716930) Homepage

    Macs compatible with macOS Big Sur:

    • 2015+ MacBook
    • 2013+ MacBook Air
    • Late 2013+ MacBook Pro
    • 2014+ iMac
    • 2017+ iMac Pro
    • 2014+ Mac mini
    • 2013+ Mac Pro

    Ones that support Catalina but not Big Sur:

    • 2012 and Early 2013 MacBook Pro
    • 2012 MacBook Air
    • 2012 and 2013 iMac
    • 2012 Mac mini
  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:40PM (#60716946)
    What is it with graphics designers nowadays and the trend towards nearly unreadable low-contrast screen designs? I don't get the reason why the trend is there, except the graphics design industry thought it looked cool. It certainly does not help in the usability department.
    • There was a time when Apple sacrificing usability like that would have been unthinkable, now it is par for the course. No wonder people joke that Macs have become Facebook machines for hipsters to take to Starbucks.

    • by Megane ( 129182 )
      It's been going on longer than you think. I remember the "Web 2.0" era when the cliche was what I call "85/85". Body text was 85% font size at 85% grey. I guess it's what you get when 25yo midwit hipsters are in charge of things at VC-funded dotcoms, and decide that everything should be changed just because it's old, and they know better than you. Or it might be someone trying to justify his paycheck. I remember Slashdot Beta was that same kind of pointless re-design of Slashdot, for no other apparent purpo
  • by Anonymous Coward
    The day has finally COME! Moaned out all the Apple acolytes.
  • Network Utility?! (Score:4, Informative)

    by aaarrrgggh ( 9205 ) on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:06PM (#60717048)
    They got rid of Network Utility?! That was one of my go-to apps in the GUI. Sure, it is easy enough to run the functions from the CLI (they haven’t taken that away yet, right?), but it is such an easy way to help people diagnose problems over the phone.
    • Network utility is still there, in the same place it's always been: /System/Library/CoreServices/Applications
  • It’ll still get (a minimum of) one more year’s worth of security updates; plus it seems rock solid - and doesn’t needlessly discard 32-bit app compatibility.

    • by UPi ( 137083 )
      Is there a way to downgrade Catalina to Mojave?
      • by Megane ( 129182 )

        You can't downgrade without a re-install, and Apple has made it difficult to keep old version installers around. If you save an App Store version of the OS installer, there's a signed and dated digital certificate in there that prevents you from installing it without turning your clock back (and turning off networking to disable time sync). This is apparently generated live when you download it from the app store. The install will simply fail with an error when it tries to open the .dmg file, without tellin

      • Is there a way to downgrade Catalina to Mojave?

        If your Mac didn't come pre-installed with Catalina - yes. Otherwise, you're SOL.

        This guy [dosdude1.com] has, for the last several years, offered little utilities which ostensibly are designed to let you install specific versions of macOS on Apple hardware that's not officially supported for those releases. But those "patcher" utilities can also be used to download (directly from Apple) full installers of Mojave, High Sierra, etc. - which you can then use to make a bootable USB installer from the downloaded media.

  • A lot of people including myself are having major problems getting the Big Sur update to download. Apple seems to be aware of a problem. Looks like nobody's getting Big Sur today.
  • Here's a mirror: https://bigsur.s3.fr-par.scw.cloud/InstallAssistant.pkg [fr-par.scw.cloud]

    MD5: 0030d26c6e5d01b7aa10a91b044d6ca7

  • Apple's getting a little too precious with their design choices. Not to mention the built-in data-mining spyware.

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