Apple Announces November 10 One More Thing event for ARM-based Macs (venturebeat.com) 83
As expected, Apple has announced a third fall media event, "One More Thing," focused on the first Mac computers with ARM technology-based Apple Silicon processors. The event will take place on November 10, 2020, and will be streamed from the company's Apple Park headquarters starting at 10:00a.m. Pacific Time. From a report: "One More Thing" was originally a phrase used at media events by Apple's late CEO Steve Jobs, who used it to generate audience enthusiasm for a show-closing announcement. [...] Apple flagged the new Mac and macOS releases for a late 2020 release during its all-digital Worldwide Developers Conference in June. macOS 11, also known as Big Sur, is the first Mac operating system to support both Intel CPUs and new "Apple Silicon" processors. These chips have not yet been officially branded, but will rely upon the same ARM instruction sets and comparatively low power consumption designs that have been used in iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, and Apple TVs for years.
Columbo said it first. (Score:5, Informative)
The second amendment is even older (Score:3, Funny)
The right to bear ARMS in a well regulated garden, will suddenly be popular with a whole new demographic group.
And with global warming you can also bare arms.
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1.Clearly from your clip, Columbo wasn't consistent (there's one other thing).
2. Steve Jobs is way more famous than Columbo. Especially around the younger generation and internationally.
Neither of your arguments therefore stands out, and Steve Jobs made it a marketing tool. He got the audience to wait until the end in anticipation, in a fun way that he crafted. Some people may like like him, some hate him; but his mark on the industries of tech and marketing will be felt for a l
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Was Steve Jobs a fan of that TV show to use that line?
ARM? (Score:1)
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The kind of person who buys overpriced personal electronics might well have an Adjustable Rate Mortgage, to try to squeeze more house than they can really afford into their budget. Unfortunately, in the current interest rate environment, that is extremely short-term thinking. Pretty much like "I should buy this premium-priced solid white gadget that restricts how I can use it, all my friends have one too".
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If you go into a casino, bet your money on "red", and win, that doesn't mean you are smart.
Covid has led to loose money and low interest rates that benefit people with ARMs. But that wasn't predictable and it won't continue for long.
Like playing roulette, ARMs are not a wise choice.
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Having an ARM basically means that you are assuming the risk of interest changes rather than the bank. For this, you get a lower interest rate. With a fixed-rate mortgage, it is as if you are paying insurance to your bank in exchange for stability.
As with most financial decisions, whether it is worth the risk or not depends upon your financial situation and the amount of the loan. If you can afford the potential changes in interest rates, you are probably better off with an ARM. If you are borrowing close t
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The kind of person who buys overpriced personal electronics might well have an Adjustable Rate Mortgage, to try to squeeze more house than they can really afford into their budget. Unfortunately, in the current interest rate environment, that is extremely short-term thinking. Pretty much like "I should buy this premium-priced solid white gadget that restricts how I can use it, all my friends have one too".
This will also vary based on culture. E.g. in Norway, almost every mortgage is ARM. Fixed Rate Mortgages are seen as more expensive over time, so few have them. There are various regulations to ensure that this risk is handled properly, however.
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Do computer mice actually have Adjustable Rate Mortgages?
ARM is Acorn Risc Machines. A computer architecture.
I did my thesis on ATM.
My ATM was not Automated Teller Machine
Nor was it Air Traffic Manager
and neither was Adobe Type Manager
or At The Moment, or Amateur Telescope Making.
No, my ATM was Asynchronous Transfer Mode, a networking protocol.
If you are reading this on slashdot you know better the meaning of ARM, or to follow a joke with a ;-) like I'll just do/did: ;-) :-P
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Asynchronous Transfer Mode
Whatever happened to that? I haven't heard a thing about it in at least a decade. back in the late 90s, everyone was assuming it was the future of networking.
Me included, that's one of the reasons I chose it a a thesis theme in 1995.
ATM lived on for a long while, buried in Telco Standards like 2G and 3G.
Some of the innovations went to inspire* the folks doing MPLS.
Some other of their techniques went to inspire* the folks doing TDMoIP.
But nowadays, is mostly dead.
* Inspire is a diplomatic way to say they copied the best ideas.
cross platform dev better work flawlessly (Score:5, Insightful)
If homebrew and programming language development doesn't work flawlessly on launch, the techs are going to dump macbooks in droves and enthusiasm for the platform will take a big hit. Macbooks are useful because they're compatible. If they break compatibility, there's going to be a split and they're going to go back to being toys. iPads are just expensive toys. They're not useful because they're too big to replace phones, and the hard walled garden prevents anyone from doing real work on the platform. While it will give apple a lot of control in the short term to have a hard-walled garden on Mac, it will be extremely detrimental in the long term to foster a rift between it and Windows/Linux. Just look at the MS Arm platform. 100% Microsoft control, no adoption.
Adobe CC, QuarkXPress and autocad linux (Score:2)
Adobe CC, QuarkXPress and autocad linux will kill mac os unless there hardware pricing comes down
no / limmted Docker is bad for devs (Score:3)
no / limmted Docker is bad for devs
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I am not expecting great machines at first. It took apple a while to leverage Intel and deliver a MacBook Air that worked, though the pro models were always credible
Apple has always expected developers to meet Apple standards, not the other way around. This is why Fortnite is suing apple, because the
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If homebrew and programming language development doesn't work flawlessly on launch, the techs are going to dump macbooks in droves
Why? I think people working in tech know more than anyone else that you don't buy a v1 tech product. I think this audience will be uniquely understanding of problems upon launch, and will switch over in due time when it's time for them to buy a new laptop and the issues have been ironed out.
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Tech people may know better than to buy v1, but they are also much more susceptible to wanting that shiny new technology. Just like people know that they shouldn't have that dessert, yet they still order it.
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Tech people may know better than to buy v1, but they are also much more susceptible to wanting that shiny new technology. Just like people know that they shouldn't have that dessert, yet they still order it.
Most will purchase the ARMacs to stay relevant (and partially because it's The New Shiny); but will keep their Intel Macs as their main Dev. Machines until everyone catches up.
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Remember. If Apple screws this up, no one would want to buy their Apple Silicon based laptops.
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If compatibility is a big issue then ditching Windows doesn't seem like a great move. ARM Macs won't support Bootcamp and emulated x86 Windows is going to be extremely slow.
You say that but.. (Score:2)
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Didn't Google try that on Chrome OS? I don't think mobile apps proved very popular.
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In exchange you will get iOS app compatibility and if Microsoft manage to make their Windows 10 ARM port stick (look at Windows RT, Windows Phone and Windows 10 Mobile for proof that it will not) then there is nothing stopping Apple allowing that to run as they have a hypervisor API available for people to use.
The roadblock for having windows for ARM in bootcamp or on a VM in an arm mac, is that MS does not sell licenses to consumers, only to system integrators. Therefore, is illegal to run it.
If/when one is able to get the license legally, will apple allow bootcamp or hypervisor or both. Lest they be "accesory to piracy".
Having said that, where there is a will there is a way, I guess some enterprising hacker will extract the Win/ARM files, and coax them to run on a VM on those ARM macs sooner rather than later.
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If compatibility is a big issue then ditching Windows doesn't seem like a great move. ARM Macs won't support Bootcamp and emulated x86 Windows is going to be extremely slow.
Windows Compatibility, per se, is getting less and less relevant over time. MS' own push to the cloud and web-based applications is actually speeding that along.
No. Nonononono! (Score:2, Interesting)
I couldn't be less interested in an Arm based Mac. I like OS X. Switched from Linux ages ago. But then I switched back because Apple just doesn't care about people who use computers to do real work. If you need a browser and a word processor, the Arm Mac will probably do well enough. But who in their right minds thinks this thing will be good for video editing, livestreams, or heavy computation? Went with a Threadripper and Ubuntu and haven't looked back.
Re: No. Nonononono! (Score:2)
But who in their right minds thinks this thing will be good for video editing, livestreams, or heavy computation?
Real work with Linux involves a terminal, and Mac OS has a great one. Nobody in their right mind would pick a Linux desktop over Windows or Mac OS for video editing, the other two workloads you're doing from a terminal already aren't you.
It's silly to install an entire graphical desktop environment on a Linux server to run a terminal app.
Re: No. Nonononono! (Score:5, Informative)
Davinci Resolve runs on Linux. Works great.
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But who in their right minds thinks this thing will be good for video editing, livestreams, or heavy computation?
We'll see next week but the current theory is this isn't designed for a new Mac Pro. Most likely this will be a new Macbook Air. And Apple's ARM processors are already very competitive [iphonehacks.com] with Intel's ultra-low power CPU that are used in devices in that form factor.
But in a few years we could see 64 or 128 core Mac desktops as well, at which time it could be very good for things like video editing (really mostly done on GPUs these days), livestreaming (same) or "heavy computation" (anything highly multith
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And Apple's ARM processors are already very competitive [iphonehacks.com] with Intel's ultra-low power CPU that are used in devices in that form factor.
The first Apple Silicon processor for the MacBook/MacBook Air will more than likely be faster than the i9-10980HK, one of Intel's most powerful laptop CPUs. Then there are more features to accelerate tasks even more - I'm sure Apple will have a Neural Engine and transistors for audio and video processing, cryptography, etc etc.
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Apple just doesn't care about people who use computers to do real work
We have millions of users and the bulk of our engineering team of several hundred is all macOS, with all engineers having a choice of Mac, Windows or Linux. It may not be suited to you but we can certainly do real work on it. I do not see ARM as an impediment to macOS. Indeed, I do not see it as much of anything beyond a different architecture.
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I switched from Linux to MacOS X in 2002. Bought a G4 tower. A TiBook. A white Intel Macbook. A 27" iMac. An Intel Powerbook. Used those computers into the ground and got a lot of work done.
At the time, I thought those machines were good investments. I can't say the same for Apple products today.
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Apologies for the redundant comment. Made a mistake.
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I switched from Linux to MacOS X back in 2002. Bought a TiBook. A G4 tower. A white Intel Macbook. A Powerbook. A 27" iMac. Used those things straight to the ground. They were good investments.
I can't say the same for Apple products today.
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If you need a browser and a word processor, the Arm Mac will probably do well enough. But who in their right minds thinks this thing will be good for video editing, livestreams, or heavy computation?
What are you suggesting it is that makes the ARM architecture unsuitable for such tasks?
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Slow....
Because you've tested it? Or have benchmarks to show it?
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Slow....
But ARM architecture isn't slow. That's the point.
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But who in their right minds thinks this thing will be good for video editing, livestreams, or heavy computation?
And who would think it isn't?
Re: No. Nonononono! (Score:2)
But who in their right minds thinks this thing will be good for video editing, livestreams, or heavy computation?
Well, you have been able to do video editing just fine on an iPhone for years, and as far as "heavy computation", you do realize, of course, that the world's fastest supercomputer is ARM-based, right?
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ARM, under apple, will become the top tier chip to buy.
Think about it. the cores are small, so you can pack a lot of them, and they're *insanely* computationally efficient. My iPhone 11 benchmarks as fast as a core i5, but only uses 1/10th the watts.
While wattage and performance aren't 1:1, you can easily boost it into the 25-35 watt range and start vastly exceeding even a mobile i7.
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I do worry about fragmentation when it comes to ARM. Apple is off doing their own thing with their license, and well it's Apple so who really cares, they like walle
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They increased the ~330 price of the 3700X to 450 via the 5800X which is now the same tier the 3700X was, lacking a 5800X.
Ergo, price gouging. Blatantly.
Ergo, fuck AMD. With a rusty spoon. I just wanted a 199 dollar 5600.
and yes i'm allowed to be salty over price gouging.
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Poor timing. (Score:3)
This is poor timing for Apple because of the concerns surrounding the sale of ARM to NVIDIA. Honestly, Apple would be better off if they stepped in and bought ARM themselves, if only to prevent NVIDIA from buying them. Apple may come to regret not doing so due to possible future mismanagement of ARM by NVIDIA.
Neither Apple nor NVIDIA has been known to play well with others so it's all the same to everyone but Apple.
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Apple has an Architecture License with ARM. Basically the broadest license that ARMS sells. As far as I know it means Nvidia couldn't stop Apple even if they wanted to.
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Excellent point but licenses tend to expire. The real question is if licensing terms will change for upcoming ARM architectures.
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Nvidia has announced they will remain neutral. If they go back on their word with a client as big as Apple, nobody would trust them after that. Not to mention that Apple has a bigger cash pile than Nvidia and could bury them in court if Nvidia tried anything foolish.
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Every company claims that they will remain neutral when making a huge acquisition - it's how they give the regulators the warm and fuzzies to keep them off their backs.
They don't need to be trusted, or even liked. They just have to be the sole owner of the platform that Apple, and many other manufacturers of embedded or computing devices, use as the basis for virtu
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Excellent point but licenses tend to expire.
Apple's ARM license is perpetual. It does not expire.
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Yep. Apple assisted Acorn Computers spinning off ARM Holdings, then Apple became a 43% stakeholder. To this day Apple have ~20% shares in ARM, Softbank retained 10% overall after Nvidia buyout.
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Apple was co founder of ARM, do it is unlikely that they have a kind of license that expires.
Re: Poor timing. (Score:2)
Excellent point but licenses tend to expire. The real question is if licensing terms will change for upcoming ARM architectures.
It's a Perpetual License.
No doubt one of the reasons Apple turned SoftBank down when they offered to sell ARM to Apple first, even before they announced publicly their intention to sell it at all.
If Apple would have felt twitchy about their ARM License, they would have scarfed-up ARM from SoftBank in a nanosecond.
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What you refer to the broadest license is probably the cheaper license. Their Cortex cores must be worth something over the instruction set. Apple is only using the instruction set, they are stupid if they pay MORE than those like Samsung who use the Cortex cores developed by ARM.
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As others have pointed out, at some point Apple co-owned ARM and because of that they have a perpetual license. It doesn't matter what Nvidia does.
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I was not even talking about Nvidia.
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Apple buying Arm would have given them no end of antitrust headaches. Who, other than the ghost of Steve Jobs, would be happy with Apple having control over the processors that go into 100% of Android devices.
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Apple buying Arm would have given them no end of antitrust headaches.
This strikes me as being the only logical reason for them to avoid buying ARM. However, it might give them leverage against Broadcom which is all but a monopoly when it comes to cellular modems.
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Apple already bought Intel's 5G modem business and they are expected to use their home grown 5G modems starting with next year's iPhone.
Apple practically broadcasts their plans to control as much of the supply chain for their devices as possible. After all Tim Cook started at Apple working on the supply chain.
Back when Apple was still on the ropes, in 1998 or 1999, Tim Cook bought contracts for air freight during the Christmas shopping season for way more computers than Apple could ever sell. But it kept
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Seems like a screw up on the freight companies' part, they could have reassigned that space when Apple didn't take it up and got paid twice.
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As I understand it, Apple resold their unused freight capacity that season to other non-competing companies. (DVD players, toys, etc. anything that wasn't a PC.) So the planes were still full.
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I'm pretty sure everyone wanted to buy ARM - Intel, Qualcomm, AMD, Apple, etc. However, anti-competitive regulations would've kicked in for all of them, and I'm sure the hassle wasn't worth the effort. That's the only reason why it went to nVidia so
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You are correct, sir.
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Apple has a perpetual license to the current ARM architecture, so NVIDIA can't just pull the rug out from under them. Apple might not be able (or might not have an easy time) licensing future versions, but they may not care. It's not super clear why Apple would benefit from having a totally compatible ARM to everyone else. Hell, Apple hasn't even explicitly mentioned ARM in their marketing stuff for this transition; it's all "Apple Silicon."
Apple buying ARM would probably not have passed muster with antitru
Isn't having a "one more thing" event ... (Score:2)
... totally beside the point?