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Apple Terminates Epic's App Store Account Following Legal Dispute Between the Two Companies (9to5mac.com) 165

As previously promised by Apple, Epic's App Store account has now been terminated due to the legal dispute between the two companies after Apple removed Fortnite from the iOS App Store. Epic Games still had a few apps available for iOS besides Fortnite, but they were all removed today. From a report: Fortnite for iOS was updated earlier this month with a new option that allowed users to purchase in-game items directly through Epic's payment system instead of using Apple's In-App Purchases. Once Apple removed Fortnite from the App Store, Epic Games started a public campaign and a legal battle against Apple, which led the Cupertino-based company to announce that it would terminate Epic's developer account. That's exactly what Apple did this Friday, August 28. The App Store now shows an alert saying "this app is currently not available in your country or region" when you try to access Epic's profile or any of their apps through a direct link, such as one from Infinity Blade Stickers app.
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Apple Terminates Epic's App Store Account Following Legal Dispute Between the Two Companies

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  • by fishthegeek ( 943099 ) on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:02PM (#60450932) Journal
    Epic manufactured this crisis and with cries of unfair practices, they claim Apple is EVIL! I don't really feel compassion for companies, especially not Apple (I'm an Apple customer for full disclosure), but seriously. You can't start a fight and claim self defense. Epic might have a little more credibility if they pursued the console makers with the same artificial indignation.
    • Honest question, because I don't know: How big of a cut does Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo demand from a game developer for DLC (or an in-game purchase, if those exists...not sure I've played a console game before that has them, as they usually just direct you to the console's store)

      • by jythie ( 914043 ) on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:47PM (#60451098)
        So far the only numbers I have seen are also around 30%.

        I think the big difference is that Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft's ecosystems are ones that they have already grown into and can not afford to be kicked out of, while Apple is still a small market for them that they can afford to lose now but are probably hoping for rapid growth later.
      • by dissy ( 172727 )

        Honest question, because I don't know: How big of a cut does Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo demand from a game developer for DLC (or an in-game purchase, if those exists...not sure I've played a console game before that has them, as they usually just direct you to the console's store)

        All of them are 30%, including the Epic Store. You also left out Steam.

        • The Epic Store does waive the the Unreal license fee if you publish through the Epic store. So that can be a slight savings. And they do offer discounted rates on specific games.

          But both of those are to attract people to the store (and the unreal engine) while keeping the 30% rate going forward.

    • by Excelcia ( 906188 ) <slashdot@excelcia.ca> on Friday August 28, 2020 @04:24PM (#60451020) Homepage Journal

      You sure can start a fight in self defense. I hold you for ransom for 30% of all your income, you are well within your right to pick a fight and say it was in self defense.

      Apple is evil. I don't care whether or not Epic wins in court, I would just much rather see everyone else pick up their toys and leave Apple's (walled) playground. I think this is really what Epic is trying to do. It's a public volley looking for others to join in with them. I wish them luck.

    • Epic manufactured this crisis and with cries of unfair practices, they claim Apple is EVIL! I don't really feel compassion for companies, especially not Apple (I'm an Apple customer for full disclosure), but seriously. You can't start a fight and claim self defense. Epic might have a little more credibility if they pursued the console makers with the same artificial indignation.

      You are seing things wrongly. The problem with Apple goes way beyond what Epic is claiming. Epic isn't the first or the last that is being forced by Apple and Google (a bit less), to do what they want or get out. Apple forces the developer to use its billing system saying that its for the privacy and safety of the customer, and they still let other apps have their own billing system for buying goods. Why can't they charge a fair fee like 5% or 10%?. Also they are now forcing developers to have an Apple acco

      • In fact, just today Facebook is trying to put its toe in the waters of fighting Apple's policy.

        https://siliconangle.com/2020/... [siliconangle.com]

        Facebook merely tried to display the fact that Apple gets a 30% cut with the one option and the small business gets 100% with the second option. And Apple rejected that too.

      • by orlanz ( 882574 )

        I don't think anyone buying Apple products think of it as "freedom". And I am talking about well before the iPhone. This has always been Apple's walled garden approach. And why not just raise your in-App purchase price by 25% to compensate for the 30% transaction fee? If that pushes too many folks away, then you know its not a viable market. Yes, there are a LOT of rules that are in Apple's favor, but these are pretty much up front and everyone plays by them. Don't like it, then make a webapp and move

      • by shmlco ( 594907 )

        Apple is a business. If you want to sell digital goods to their customers, they get 30%. Same as Google. Same as Xbox and Nintendo and Sony. They built the marketplace and run it and provide the tools and more, access to customers with registered credit cards just a click away.

        So how much is fair for all of that? Actually, you just made the problem with that question apparent, as quite a few people seem to think that 15% would be "fair", but you think just 5% or 10% would be "fair". Thing is, "fair" is a sl

        • by WaffleMonster ( 969671 ) on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:28PM (#60451274)

          Apple is a business. If you want to sell digital goods to their customers, they get 30%. Same as Google. Same as Xbox and Nintendo and Sony. They built the marketplace and run it and provide the tools and more, access to customers with registered credit cards just a click away.

          These "app stores" are just a wee bit different than simply a "marketplace" I would think.

          Can you imagine if the real world worked like these so called tech world "marketplaces"? It would be completely foreign, shocking and laughably unacceptable. Nobody would tolerate it.

          Imagine buying cars that can only be driven to approved destinations.

          Imagine if as a condition of owning a home you could only shop at a single store.

          Imagine buying an oven that would only accept a specific brand of food.

          The car is not a marketplace, the home is not a market place. Neither is a goddamn phone a "marketplace". The artificial constraints designed intentionally to limit choice and force purchases from specific "marketplaces" are ONLY tolerated by the public in cyberspace. There is no analogue of this insanity in the real world and no defense for it either.

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    • Epic is not big enough to fight this battle on multiple fronts. But a victory here will help them if they should choose to fight the same battle elsewhere.

      Your complaint is that they are not acting like idiots by starting more fights than they can win. It's a ridiculous complaint.

  • But seriously, the people I work with say all their kids constantly play Forntnite. And all but one of them are playing on Apple products. How long until we see a bunch of ten-twelve year olds marching in the streets over this?

    • The parents are going to find out they could have used a commodity PC all along instead of a fancy iThing.

  • Epic is suing Google, too. Neither Google nor Apple is a monopoly, and neither falls under the purview of common carrier provisions. The court will declare that until one of those two criteria is established, the suit has no merit.It's gonna get tossed.

    I don't know how lawyers convinced Epic to bring a suit with little legal merit at a time when the government simply doesn't care about monopolies. In fact, the government has actively been cultivating monopolies the past thirty years. Wake up and smell th
    • by jythie ( 914043 )
      I suspect they have no delusion about winning in court. The lawsuit is a prop in their PR war, which they are likely hoping to use to pressure Apple into carving out a special exception for them.
    • Epic is suing Google, too. Neither Google nor Apple is a monopoly,

      They aren't being sued for being monopoly, they are being sued for anti-competitive behavior.

      I don't know how lawyers convinced Epic to bring a suit

      They have lawyers who have actually have read the law, unlike you, who can't even be bothered to read Wikipedia before you start typing.

  • Apple has the right to charge 30 percent for the use of their store but to charge for sales from inside the product is wrong. It would be like Walmart demanding a portion of the proceeds from merchandise sold from the back of cereal and other boxes.

  • Epic Games wasn't able to make a deal so they went ahead and did what they wanted while knowing it's a term violation. They were literally begging for today. Regardless of what the lawsuit outcome maybe, I think the decision to switch the payment mechanism is premature and puts their own customers at risk. I wouldn't have done this.
  • by catmistake ( 814204 ) on Saturday August 29, 2020 @07:10AM (#60452418) Journal
    Apple obviously cut a deal with Epic: to have Epic pull a fast one with an update allowing in app purchases that bypassed Apple's required and industry standard 30% cut, violating their developer contract, so Apple would ban them, so Epic could sue Apple, so Apple could soundly defeat Epic in court and stave off wave after wave of other lawsuits from other game or software vendors hoping to nibble at Apple's cheese. This way, case law will prevent all future lawsuits against Apple and silence those claiming monopoly and anti-trust, leaving all electronics to be taken over by Apple. I, for one, am anxious to receive my talking, webserving, smart Apple Refrigerator and Apple Microwave. How is this a bad thing?
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