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France Fines Apple $27.4 Million For Slowing iPhone Software (dw.com) 40

French authorities on Friday said tech giant Apple has agreed to pay $27.4 million for failing to inform users that software updates to older iPhone models could slow down the device, according to French media. From a report: Le Parisien reported it was the highest fine for fraud ever imposed by the consumer watchdog. The crackdown comes two years after Apple admitted its iOS software slowed down the performance of older phones -- in particular, devices with shorter battery life.
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France Fines Apple $27.4 Million For Slowing iPhone Software

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  • I hope french don't look into what VW did to fix diesel issues.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      I hope french don't look into what VW did to fix diesel issues.

      Well, by now I would assume the French are used to Germans just going around them.

    • Not quite though: VW actually increased operating performance and reduced under-testing performance. In the end, this could've been avoided if the testing was better, but at the time, the tweaks VW did were smarter than the test.

      In a way they are the same if you see it as a polluting performance decrease - they reported x horsepower induced in y CO2 emissions, but it was more like y+ALOT.

    • I hope french don't look into what VW did to fix diesel issues.

      They didn't fine Apple for slowing down the phones. They fined apple for not informing the users they did so. No one who had the VW fix applied is in any way unaware of the performance loss, heck a large number of people (not in Germany) got a payout because of said performance loss.

  • I tried to post first from my iPhone but...you know.
  • Microsoft? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Checkered Daemon ( 20214 ) on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:02PM (#59702320)

    Sheesh, then MS must owe the French what, about 10 billion?

    • by DeBaas ( 470886 )

      Nope, MS can legitimately claim their slowdown is due to incompetence.

    • Sheesh, then MS must owe the French what, about 10 billion?

      Except that if you ran performance benchmarks you'll find raw performance in Windows has steadily increased due to better kernel schedulers over the years. Additionally computers still run at their rated speeds.

      Now as for the bloat... well let's not pretend users who use Windows don't expect it to bloat with every update :-)

  • That's like me getting fined $10 for an overdue library book.
    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      That can happen if you keep it long enough.

      Generally libraries cap that at the cost of the book.

  • I'm using an older iPhone and after foolishly installing the last major update, slowdowns were the least of my concerns. There were a lot of weird problems and other aberrations in normal behavior (my favorite was when the battery would drop by a percentage every few seconds for no particular reason and it would lose ~20% charge in under a minute) that made using it a pain in the ass for several weeks until bug fixes started to trickle out. With the latest minor update the performance is generally back to
    • Why would they give a shit about making your device unstable and slow? Those that buy them are firmly entrenched. Getting them to switch takes massive effort and a half - if at all possible. Hell, most of them will just assume it's the device just aging naturally; most won't know the difference and would buy the current gen before the fixes ever come out.
      • How many security updates does your four year old Android phone get?

      • What utter nonsense. I don't use many apps so I'm hardly locked in and if there were anything truly important I still have an old iPad Air 2 that can run them. And it's pretty obvious when you go from usual smooth operation to complete mess after an update what the culprit actually is. If what you were claiming (i.e. " it's the device just aging naturally") were actually true then this story wouldn't exist in the first place. Use some common sense.
      • Why would they give a shit about making your device unstable and slow?

        Plenty of consumers will not upgrade their devices and tell everyone that iPhones are slow. It might drive sales on one side, but hurts them on the other.

      • Hell, most of them will just assume it's the device just aging naturally;

        I knew that quartz crystals changed their frequency with respect to the normal force of gravity, but I didn't know they changed so drastically over mere time as to be perceptible to the end user as a CPU clock speed decrease.

    • Was it a 7? Those had a battery recall where it would do stuff like that.

  • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:25PM (#59702394) Homepage

    Engineering is about compromise. We all heard: "fast, correct, cheap: choose two". Here is a similar tradeoff: "battery life and stability versus speed". The lithium batteries naturally degrade over time, and cannot sustain original power levels. Hence CPU slows down to prevent abrupt power offs.

    Nevertheless, Apple being Apple, they were not open about it. If people had known beforehand, and had a choice I think the outcome might had been different.

    • by ledow ( 319597 ) on Friday February 07, 2020 @03:40PM (#59702440) Homepage

      The lawsuit wasn't over the action itself.

      It was over doing it without making users aware, or giving them a choice.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday February 07, 2020 @04:01PM (#59702514) Homepage Journal

      Firstly a lot of the slowdown was due to software bloat. Fine on newer phones with more RAM, faster flash and better CPUs, but crippling for older devices.

      Secondly Apple's battery woes were a mistake. Don't make excuses for them, other manufacturers have avoided this problem by properly specifying batteries in the first place so that when they degrade they are still able to deliver enough power to the phone. Apple obviously failed to test behaviour with degraded batteries, a pretty basic mistake that any decent electronic engineer with knowledge in that area should have pointed out.

    • by JoeyRox ( 2711699 ) on Friday February 07, 2020 @04:12PM (#59702538)

      Engineering is about compromise. We all heard: "fast, correct, cheap: choose two". Here is a similar tradeoff: "battery life and stability versus speed". The lithium batteries naturally degrade over time, and cannot sustain original power levels. Hence CPU slows down to prevent abrupt power offs.

      The issue wasn't the normal and expected degradation of capacity or current over time. The issue was that Apple didn't design to account for this on the iPhone 6/6s, which resulted in the phone intermittently shutting off without warning when peak current usage exceeded the degraded capacity of the battery. This was a design defect in the 6/6s, and rather than recall the phone and/or battery design they instead tried to hide the issue in a firmware update that throttled the CPU at well below its initial operating rate.

    • Apple marketing failed. If the phone is slow to save battery and you don't tell the user, that's treated as a bug. If the phone is slow and you tell the user, then you can market it as a feature which may extend the life of the phone.

  • Either that or a new phone.

    • No, why would they? They didn't get in trouble for slowing down the device. All they need to do is inform the users.

      • by sjames ( 1099 )

        Too late now unless they offer a way for users to undo the update and get the old behavior back.

  • Haha this may cause their accountants a real problem they wonâ(TM)t be able to fish that out of even a rounding error. They probably donâ(TM)t even have the ability to cut a check for such a low amount.

  • How much for holding it wrong ?
  • I let my iPhone 6 Plus run for four days straight and then allowed it shutdown hard. When it came back up it was in 'Performance Mode'. What a bunch of lying thieves. Someone should file a class action against them for fraud and malfeasance. The battery is as good as it ever was as soon as I turned off their 'feature'. If Apple really wants to get us all, they should just put crappy batteries in all their phones, Oh wait, they can't make all the batteries bad, some of them will be good batteries just b
  • Not arguing whether or not the fine was warranted, but I doubt apple execs were shaking in their boots about this happening again.

  • Get to pay fines.
    All part of investing in modern France.
    Land of the tax, home of the gov fine.

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