Apple To Remove Vaping Apps From Store (axios.com) 128
Amid growing health concerns over e-cigarettes, Apple will remove all 181 vaping-related apps from its mobile App Store this morning, Axios reports. From a report: The move comes after at least 42 people have died from vaping-related lung illness, per the CDC. Most of those people had been using cartridges containing THC, though some exclusively used nicotine cartridges. The company has never allowed the sale of vape cartridges directly from apps. But there were apps that let people control the temperature and lighting of their vape pens, and others provided vaping-related news, social networks and games.
Ridiculous (Score:1)
How am I supposed to know when to vape without my app? At least I still have my tattoo app.
Bath salts (Score:2)
If they just cross out the word Vape and write in "bath salts" everything will still work
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If you vape you have already lost at life.
Re:Vaping app controls the device (Score:4, Insightful)
If you vape you have already lost at life.
Are you the morality police? Who cares if someone vapes. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else, what does it matter? I smoked for 20 years and quite 17 years ago. I know a lot of militant former smokers, but I'm not one of them.
I rarely drink alcohol, perhaps one or two drinks every 3 or 4 years. But I don't pass judgment on drinkers. I know a lot of judgemental vegetarians and vegans, are they better moral police than you? How about we let people do their own thing as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.
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I care if an idiot vapes. It costs me more for healthcare. Why the FUCK should I pay more because I dont do stupid shit like vape or smoke or drugs? Fucking idiots.
Then move to a deserted island or find someplace that everyone is happy being dictated about how to live.
Drinking alchohol costs you more than vaping ever has. So does poor diet, lack of exercise, lack of sleep, too much sun exposure, kitchen accidents, etc. and so on.
But you also benefit from a lot of things that were created and invented by people who made a lot of these poor life decisions in addition to many more that I have not listed.
It's very likely that you have and/or do make plenty of poor ch
Re: Vaping app controls the device (Score:2)
You certainly seem to know a lot about being a loser at life...
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So did your parents. They've instilled into you a judgemental voice that manifests itself into being a dick on the Internet.
Re: Vaping app controls the device (Score:2)
Everyone who disagrees with me is a dick!!
No vaping in the Walled Garden (Score:4, Funny)
While I don't condone vaping, I support the right for people to have vaping-related apps. But, I suppose that Mother Apple knows best.
(I wonder if Mother Apple wears a suit like Mom does?)
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"I don't condone vaping."
Either you don't know what the word "condone" means, or you've got a major stick up your ass about other peoples' business.
Re: No vaping in the Walled Garden (Score:1)
Similar to the stick up Apple's posterior?
Re:No vaping in the Walled Garden (Score:4, Informative)
In this context, condone means "approve or sanction". But not condoning is not the same thing as condemning. Before you concern yourself with the stick up your neighbor's ass, first remove the log from your own.
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Before you concern yourself with the stick up your neighbor's ass, first remove the log from your own.
Breaking News: All 193 stick up the ass apps have been removed from the App Store. Problem solved
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Your comment revealed the giant stick up your own ass regarding other people's business. Your fascist mind just cannot accept anyone else may have an opinion counterposed to yours.
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"I don't condone vaping."
Either you don't know what the word "condone" means, or you've got a major stick up your ass about other peoples' business.
There are different, sometimes conflicting, definitions of the word condone [dictionary.com]. The OP obviously does not agree with vaping, but agrees with people's rights to have vaping apps.
When I saw the headline, my first question was what an app could provide for vaping. I was not aware vaping pens could have their temperatures adjusted, for example. I can't imagine using an app to light the e-cig to be any easier than using the actual device.
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Vaping does not have the negative effects on bystanders that smoking has. How do you dare "not condoning" anything here? Do you think your specific morals are an imperative for others?
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Vaping does not have the negative effects on bystanders that smoking has.
And you know that... how, exactly ?
Re: No vaping in the Walled Garden (Score:2)
The FDA approval of vaporizers as medical devices is highly suggestive.
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You mean ultrasonic vaporizers? Or did they actually approve smoking devices? I haven't seen that, only FDA declaring that vape devices are regulable as tobacco delivery devices [fda.gov]. But perhaps I only missed it, and the evidence is lost in the swarm of other vaping-related search results?
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You can't approve a device that delivers smoke and since these don't do that. You mean a device that heats vegetable glycerin, water and nicotine to produce a vapor. it's not smoke no matter what you say.
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They don't: https://www.webmd.com/mental-h... [webmd.com]
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I could say the same about your own opinion. I never tried to force you to do anything. In fact, I even stated that I thought the vaping apps should be allowed Other people may have opinions and beliefs that are different than yours are. Get used to it.
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Again, where do you get the incredible arrogance to "not condone" anything here?
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Just shut up, you are only making yourself look bad.
Nicely shows were you come from. Thanks for proving my point.
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Do you "condone" people driving cars?
Good censor (Score:1)
E-Liquids are the problem (Score:2)
Due to the chems!
Dry Herb vaporizers so far dont appear to have been reported as causing these types of issues.
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Actually, it is specifically Vitamin-E acetate laced THC liquids, no others. And you can be sure they have looked carefully by now. "Chems" is a nonsensical description. You herb-stuff is full of "chems", just biologically synthesized ones.
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The ones making people sick, arent purchased from any Vape store. They are purchased from people on the street.
It is black market THC pods making people sick because they are using Vitamin E Acetate instead of Vegetable Glycerin.
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There's THC in vegetables? I'll stick with my chips, chocolate and soft drinks diet*, thank you very much!
* disclaimer: I sincerely hope nobody's actually doing this.
Re: E-Liquids are the problem (Score:2)
Vegetable glycerin is used to "water" it down. Otherwise, your pod would be filled with a nearly solid mass of oil that doesn't flow to the heater properly. Vegetable glycerin is the industry standard recommended way of getting this done.
But black marketeer want to cut your shit, so they want to add more oil. The problem is too much glycerin is obvious because the oil gets too liquid-y. So they turn to industrial chemicals like the "Vitamin E" juice which are harder to detect when they are used to cut your
Re: E-Liquids are the problem (Score:2)
"they want to add more oil" should be "they want to add more glycerin to the oil"
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waxy tar not really oil... and VG / PG / PEG is an emollient or 'thinner' usually its done in a 1:1 or 1.5:1 ratio or thinner to BHO. the only FDA approved one is PEG-400
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Where did you get the idea that PEG-400 is FDA Approved for inhalation?
PEG is not even FDA approved for it's intended use, it is FDA Listed.
An FDA-listed drug doesn't equal an FDA-approved drug. Despite the reassuring blue FDA logo, these are not FDA-approved products. They're simply cleared, listed, or registered by the FDA.
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No, vegetable glycerin, which is safe, was used as a diluting agent along with the THC oil. However, you could tell it was cut/diluted due to the lower viscosity. Then some "bright" spark realized Vitamin E Acetate had the right viscosity, so illegal THC vape makers could cut the THC oil with that, and buyers would think they were getting the pure deal.
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vegetable glycerin is not that safe either and its a terrible emollient, it keeps separating. The only FDA approved chemical for inhalation, currently being used, is PEG400, which is used in a variety of pharmaceutical applications including symbicort. Coating your lungs with a thin lining of oil is what caused this recent rash of problems. Yes Ive read the PG/PEG/VG comparisons of formaldehyde produced by all three, but the research was done based on people using it as a cigarette replacement. Nobody is
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https://www.accessdata.fda.gov... [fda.gov]
Please stop telling people it is.
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https://www.accessdata.fda.gov... [fda.gov]
Please just stop, you obviously have no idea what you speak of.
Re: E-Liquids are the problem (Score:2)
Right from their website
SYMBICORT also contains povidone K25 USP as a suspending agent and polyethylene glycol
That literally took five seconds to research what the hell is your problem
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Nobody is hitting their THC or CBD pen that many times a day. 25 puffs? I seriously someone would make it past 5.
ok lightweight
Re: E-Liquids are the problem (Score:2)
Dude, bho is around 90% concentrate. If you cut it 1:1 thats still 45%. How couchloch do you plan on getting?
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I'm actually out of practice right now, because I want to be eligible for more jobs, but that's just not that big a deal in these parts. The Emerald Triangle is like nowhere else.
So, back to traditional smoking then? (Score:5, Insightful)
This whole thing is beyond ridiculous and is bordering into evil now. Classical smoking kills masses of people, vaping is much, much safer, even with the (now identified bad THC liquids) in the picture. But the "new" thing gets measured on standards that the old thing could not satisfy in a million years and people are now pushed in entirely the wrong direction.
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Vaping has never hurt anyone. This issue is not vaping. It's black market synthetic narcotics. Something like 75% of the users who have gotten sick report inhaling THC oil. And I suspect the other 25% just don't want to admit they were committing a crime.
The whole thing is a lie spread by the media and the FDA. And I highly suspect Big Tobacco is involved somehow. It's wrong for the FDA to not be honest about what is really happening. More people die from smoking every minute than this - even if it w
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Vaping has never hurt anyone. This issue is not vaping. It's black market synthetic narcotics. Something like 75% of the users who have gotten sick report inhaling THC oil. And I suspect the other 25% just don't want to admit they were committing a crime.
It's not about THC, which never gave anyone cancer, ever. It's about Vitamin E Acetate, which isn't even good as a vitamin. The THC is natural, though that fact has no bearing on its safety — studies (including one at UCLA) show that even smoking cannabis flower does not elevate cancer risk in spite of the carcinogenic combustion byproducts in the smoke, which does.
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Indeed. It seems the Vitamin E Acetate is something commonly put into THC oil, but it seems to be a really bad idea breathing the stuff. The problem here is morons thinking they can competently decide to just use standard THC oil for vaping. The first google hit on "vitamin E acetate toxicity" is a paper form 1986 saying it causes Lung inflammation, among other things: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov] (even though this was for ingestion).
Apparently, nobody checked whether this stuff was potentially dangero
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That was an information from a local newspaper. Might be wrong.
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My take is simple. Vaping is for fucking retards. So is smoking. There is no law against being a fucking retard, people are welcome to fuck themselves up as much as they like. In that vein, just remove all the safety labels off of things and let these people weed themselves out naturally.
However, your right to swing your arm (or breathe whatever foul shit you want) stops at the tip of my nose. If I get a whif of your stink I'm letting you know and so help me if you pull that shit out near my kids I'll shove
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So you beat up people with bad body hygiene as well? Seems you have a criminally aggressive disorder here. Better make sure your kids are provided for when you eventually go to prison for a long time.
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So you beat up people with bad body hygiene as well? Seems you have a criminally aggressive disorder here. Better make sure your kids are provided for when you eventually go to prison for a long time.
Hygiene wont cause cancer you snide little fuckwit. B all means though, create strawmen, just proves what a fucking loser you are.
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You really should seek help.
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This whole thing is beyond ridiculous and is bordering into evil now. Classical smoking kills masses of people, vaping is much, much safer, even with the (now identified bad THC liquids) in the picture. But the "new" thing gets measured on standards that the old thing could not satisfy in a million years and people are now pushed in entirely the wrong direction.
Vaping still puts dangerous chemicals into your body, and releases these chemicals into the air where non-vapers could inhale them. The chemicals released by vaping generally are safer than traditional cigarettes, but there still is risk.
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https://monq.com/science/veget... [monq.com]
Vaping does what again? You failed your basic chemistry.
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https://monq.com/science/veget... [monq.com]
Vaping does what again? You failed your basic chemistry.
While better than traditional cigarettes, e-cigarettes are not risk free. Your article only addressed one chemical present in the aerosol produced by vaping.
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Fail again. Vegetable glycerin doesn't make benzene because there aren't enough carbon atoms in the molecule to even make the 6-atom ring. Formaldehyde is made by a double-bond with a carbon, and oxygen, and two hydrogen, however you won't get that from vaporizing VG as it's all single-bonds and you'd need a catalyst to make the double covalent bond between the oxygen and carbon atoms happen in this particular instance.
OTOH, the NICOTINE in the VG will make those products.
Thus, it is NOT the VG causing the issue. If it caused issues, we'd not have it FDA-approved for medical usage for things like burn treatment (whereupon it will enter the bloodstream.)
Vegetable glycerin is not the only chemical in the picture. It is the flavorings which often have VOCs, for example.
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Not really. Somebody driving a non-electric car past you is a lot more of a risk. You may want to do anything about that first.
Also, "dangerous chemicals"? Really? What about some actual facts instead of some nebulous "this is bad"?
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Not really. Somebody driving a non-electric car past you is a lot more of a risk. You may want to do anything about that first.
Also, "dangerous chemicals"? Really? What about some actual facts instead of some nebulous "this is bad"?
Besides the obvious nocotine, you could have heavy metals, metal nanoparticles, aldehydes, volatile organic compounds, carbonyl compounds (including formaldehyde), etc. (from Wikipedia) [wikipedia.org]. As the list of chemicals varies based on what liquid is vaporized at what temperature and with what wattage, it is difficult to give a single definitive list.
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"Could have"? And what amount of that is actually breathed out? And how does that compare to base levels in, say, a city or compared against that car?
Lets face it, any militant stance against vapers is not really based on facts at this time.
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"Could have"? And what amount of that is actually breathed out? And how does that compare to base levels in, say, a city or compared against that car?
Lets face it, any militant stance against vapers is not really based on facts at this time.
I used the term "could have" because each liquid has a different formula, and each formula has a different list of potentially dangerous chemicals. In another post on this article I provided a list showing a growing concern regarding second-hand vaping. I'm fairly confident that vaping is safer than smoking (except the obvious black market THC cartridges), but feel leery that vaping is being portrayed as safe, or with minimal risk. More research is needed. The dangers of car exhaust are moot in this convers
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Re: Truly bizarre (Score:2)
It's coming from those who "think of the children!" For a good decade or so, it looked like we would have a new generation of Americans who rarely if ever use tobacco products. Then vaping came along and suddenly tobacco is as popular as ever.
Add to that the introduction of cannabis everywhere. So now if you are an authoritarian who likes to control other people's bodies (America has lots of these) you have to accept that there are people surreptitiously ingesting cannabis products everywhere and this can b
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I'm kind of curious what the think-of-the-children/moral panic would have been if there was no vaping.
For a while it was mostly focused on the opioid epidemic, but that seems to have gone by the wayside a bit (was it solved? Has China cut off fentanyl supplies enough to cause an actual ebb?).
I wonder if there would be more moral panic over social media and its corrosive effects, or maybe youth smartphone addiction or something.
I suspect social media will never come under that microscope because its too use
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I'm not getting the anti-vaping stuff right now. Clearly the industry needs regulation, but it's an industry that's migrating people from an extremely unsafe practice to a far safer version and saving a non-trivial number of lives in the process.
The tobacco industry has invested in vape companies, and now they want as much regulation as possible to keep smaller players out of the market. Regulation is a minor cost for them, but a bar to entry for everyone else.
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And a sizable number of vapers, hopefully the majority, have decided to vape in order to stop using a far more deadly way of feeding their addiction.
Hope is good. Too bad it's misplaced [pewresearch.org].
The shares of secondary students who have vaped nicotine in the past month have roughly doubled since 2017. From 2017 to 2019, the shares who had done so increased among 12th graders (11% to 25%), 10th graders (8% to 20%) and 8th graders (4% to 9%), according to preliminary data from the University of Michigan’s Monitoring the Future (MTF) survey.
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In a July 2018 Gallup poll, 9% of U.S. adults said they “regularly or occasionally” vape – still below the 20% who said they “regularly or occasionally” smoke cigarettes. Two-in-ten Americans ages 18 to 29 said they vape, compared with 8% of those ages 30 to 64 and fewer than 0.5% among those 65 and older.
Vaping is primarily young people who have never smoked. There are of course some adults switching to vaping as a safer alternative to smoking, but that's far from the most common scenario.
Samsung used to have a vaping app (Score:2)
Re: Samsung used to have a vaping app (Score:2)
I think that was more of a traditional smoking app.
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That was smoking, not vaping. Also flaming.
Vapers are very inconsiderate around other people (Score:2)
A lot of vapers(not all) that I have encountered just do their thing and exhale where ever they are at. No matter if people are around or not. I really doubt there is any problem with second hand vaping(smoke/mist). But, I still consider it rude for someone to blow that shit in my face.
Vape all y
What's a vaping app? (Score:2)
Re: What's a vaping app? (Score:2)
There are usually a bunch of whizz-bang stupid features, but the primary purpose is to control settings on the device like temperature and vapor limits for precise dosing. These features are critical for medical use, but the devices are intended to be portable, so building an interface on the device itself is a non-starter. Instead they usually have a bluetooth radio and a phone app.
As if we need more reasons to avoid Apple (Score:2)
Whenever Apple fanbois wrangle me into a platform discussion, I regularly bring up the fact that Apple prevents you from using your device how you want. I generally cite the years of free wireless tethering I enjoyed on Android before Apple pulled their head out of their ass to offer the same. I cite the years it was nearly impossible to use iThings for Bitcoin before Apple pulled their head out of their ass to offer the same.
They typically respond with, "oh but we have that now".
Well, enjoy the device you
Vitamin E Acetate (Score:2)
FDA/CDC: we found the culprit - vitamin E acetate added as a juice preservative. It will be removed.
Apple: let's destroy 181 businesses anyway. We're woke, they're broke.
Fanbois: Mama Apple is protecting us from the vaping scourge!
So... does this mean we'll see higher lung cancer rates among iCult members in 20 years than Android users?
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no, it probably means that people will be using bluetooth on their laptop to make vape pen adjustments. Its not like you need the app in order to vape, only to make changes. I imagine thats few and far between.
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If this breaks e-cig companies, they have a problem other than Apple. I'm an ex-smoker and current vaper and although I believe I've avoided this vitamin E acetate I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to continue vaping and I have no idea why I would want an app, but then again the toothbrush I bought last month came with an app.
I don't use it - the app, that is. I do still brush my teeth.
I'm actually surprised there's enough business to support as many e-cig stores as I see, but apparently there is.
A
Selective Humane Assistance (Score:3)
But it would appear Apple is here to virtue signal their help to prevent the dangers teen vaping by removing Vape apps from the App Store...
But they're still totally okay with the human oppression going on in a foreign country with a substantially large population, aiding and abetting its government as it cracks down on people.
I get it. Vaping teens don't have nearly as much money as that country's tech market.
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What virtual? There is essentially zero danger from vaping mainstream commercial cartridges. A teen would be far better off to vape than to smoke tobacco. Meanwhile, 8 million drop like flies each year from smoking each year.
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from what my daughter tells me, most teens are abusing Juul pods in the bathrooms. 1 pod is equivalent to 20 cigarettes and has more nicotine per hit than smoking. So the teens sneak into the bathroom and hotbox the juul cartridges making themselves 'dizzy' and thinking they are getting high. I dont think those use apps.
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Darwin
not the games! (Score:2)
I'm going to miss my vaping games!!
My favorite was Flappy Lung. I hope it's still on Android.
So it's about the number of deaths? (Score:1)
et a Samsung Galaxy with Android (Score:2)
Risk assessment, emotions and market manipulation (Score:2)
Safety - did they remove dating apps? (Score:2)
***Facepalm***
Controlled by an app? (Score:2)
What happened to those funky things we call digital displays and buttons? So now you have to pull out your smart phone to make adjustments to your pen?
I bet the real reason is to gather telemetry data. Maybe sell it to your insurance company.
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You already know what they put in there: insane profit margins.
Re: Buy a dry herb vaporizer and keep it clean (Score:2)
I pay even more extra for Pax Era pods because they are highly tamper resistant. And I live in CA where we have regulations and shit. No cases so far have come up in Cali vape products.
Re: Buy a dry herb vaporizer and keep it clean (Score:2)
If you vape as much as I do, cleaning the Pax dry herb vaporizers becomes almost a daily chore. No thanks.
Re: so apple is regulating which devices people us (Score:2)
Apple isn't getting a cut of these free apps. The medical market is filled with overpriced crap. Momma wants her cut. Put a $50 price tag on the app, and Apple will let it right back in.