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Qualcomm Urges US Regulators To Reverse Course, Ban Some iPhones (reuters.com) 36

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Qualcomm is urging U.S. trade regulators to reverse a judge's ruling and ban the import of some Apple iPhones in a long-running patent fight between the two companies. Qualcomm is seeking the ban in hopes of dealing Apple a blow before the two begin a major trial in mid-April in San Diego over Qualcomm's patent licensing practices. Qualcomm has sought to apply pressure to Apple with smaller legal challenges ahead of that trial and has won partial iPhone sales bans in China and Germany against Apple, forcing the iPhone maker to ship only phones with Qualcomm chips to some markets. Any possible ban on iPhone imports to the United States could be short-lived because Apple last week for the first time disclosed that it has found a software fix to avoid infringing on one of Qualcomm's patents. Apple asked regulators to give it as much as six months to prove that the fix works.

Qualcomm brought a case against Apple at the U.S. International Trade Commission in 2017 alleging that some iPhones violated Qualcomm patents to help smart phones run well without draining their batteries. Qualcomm asked for an import ban on some older iPhone models containing Intel chips. In September, Thomas Pender, an administrative law judge at the ITC, found that Apple violated one of the patents in the case but declined to issue a ban. Pender reasoned that imposing a ban on Intel-chipped iPhones would hand Qualcomm an effective monopoly on the U.S. market for modem chips, which connect smart phones to wireless data networks. Pender's ruling said that preserving competition in the modem chip market was in the public interest as speedier 5G networks come online in the next few years.

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Qualcomm Urges US Regulators To Reverse Course, Ban Some iPhones

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    Isn't that the whole purpose of a patent anyway? You invent something and get the right to be the only one to sell it for X years.

  • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @09:48AM (#58151694)

    The core issue here is Reasonable and non-discriminatory licensing [wikipedia.org]. Qualcomm has patents on what is considered to be the best (if not the only) way for that wireless stuff.

    You may like or you may hate both Apple and/or Qualcomm, but let's discuss the real problem: is Qualcomm trying to screw Apple on the price because they're bigger than the other manufacturers, or is Apple trying to screw Qualcomm on the price because they're bigger than the other manufacturers?

    • Pricing (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      From what I've read when the fracas started, so I may be wrong, but Qualcomm was selling Apple the base-band chips, AND wanted a cut of the sale price of the phone as a licensing fee. Which, of course, is insane, and an end-run around FRAND rules. If Qualcomm wants a bigger cut of the phone market then they can sell phones.

      • by Luthair ( 847766 )
        Not really, consider most SoCs include hardware for decoding video codecs but for some formats you may still need to license the patents for the video codec if you enable them. Apple chose to buy the chips, not license the IP but use it anyway. FRAND also only applied to patents for a standard (e.g. 5G), I recall at least some of the patents being for non-obvious (as in not what you'd expect from Qualcomm) technology like quick battery charging.
        • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

          The patent in question, 9,535,490 [google.com] is not nearly a "technology", though. If I skimmed it correctly, it amounts to basically this:

          To save power, the device talking to the cellular modem should collect data for a period of time, and then send it as soon as the timer expires or when the cellular modem provides data in the other direction, whichever comes first, to reduce the number of times you have to power up the modem.

          And for that trivial idea, Qualcomm wants $13 per device.

          I'll let you ponder how bonkers

          • by Luthair ( 847766 )
            Sure, but it sounds like Apple isn't complaining about the validity of the patent, just that they shouldn't have to pay it.
          • F**k Qualcomm.

            The patent is absurd, granted, but Qualcomm is using the US Patent System exactly as designed.

            I don't want to say, "hate the game, not the player", because Qualcomm engages in some repugnant behavior, but this is only possible because of the whiners who think they need Big Daddy Government to protect "their" inventions.

            The reality is the big corporations just accumulate warchests of offensive patents and then go after each other and small competitors with them, to keep those very small invento

            • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

              The reality is the big corporations just accumulate warchests of offensive patents and then go after each other and small competitors with them, to keep those very small inventors out of the marketplace.

              No, not really. Most companies accumulate war chests of patents, but most companies only use them defensively, either so they can negotiate cross-licensing terms when threatened by a real company or as a means to say, "Nope. We had a patent on that ten years before you filed yours" when sued by a non-pract

    • The dispute boils down to Qualcomm wanting a percentage of the total phone price as a licensing fee, Apple wanting to pay a percentage of the component (radio) price as a licensing fee. Ironically, this the same BS Apple tried to pull on Samsung. Apple wanted Samsung to pay them a percentage of the phone's price to license some of their patents, while paying Samsung only a few cents to license Samsung's FRAND patents since that fee was based on the component price. So in that respect, Apple is being hois
  • They keep coming and coming and coming (unlike you).

    They will not stop. Can both sides lose? Apple and Qualcomm are both loathsome megacorps.

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