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Apple Moves the iPhone Away From Physical SIMs (arstechnica.com) 204

The new iPhone XS and iPhone XS Max will use eSIM technology to allow users to use two phone lines on a single device. You could have a work or personal number, or an American and Canadian number if you travel across the border frequently. The reprogrammable SIM card is "soldered onto the iPhone's motherboard directly," and measures just 6 millimeters by 5 millimeters," reports Ars Technica, citing GSMArena.com. From the report: These handsets will have a new "dual SIM dual standby" option, one of which will be a nano SIM. In other words, they will have two distinct phone numbers. (Chinese models will have two SIM slots instead of the eSIM option.) Since their debut in 1991, traditional, physical SIM cards have decreased dramatically in size. eSIMs have already been around for nearly a year, since they were introduced into the Apple Watch and Google Pixel 2, among other devices.
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Apple Moves the iPhone Away From Physical SIMs

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  • Disposable phone ? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Is it serious ? Is it a disposable phone or what ?

    How are you going to use SIM card when you travel into a foreign country ?

    This is somthing that Apple have been trying to do for a long time : full control of the phone usage.

    - No microSD to prevent people from extending their storage. They shall buy a new phone. ( checked)
    - No replaceable battery to prevent people to use several ones or replace it when it dies. They shall go to a store and be advised it is better to change phone as well ( checked)
    - No heads

    • by pablo_max ( 626328 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:42AM (#57304598)

      It is done via OTA SIM provisioning.
      I think that is handled under 3GPP 31.124, but could be 121.

      • It is done via OTA SIM provisioning.

        And in the process de-provision the old one. There's something to be said for a removable SIM for people who would like to quickly change services.

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          There's something to be said for a removable SIM for people who would like to quickly change services.

          So do it. Use the eSIM for your home network that you are most of the time, and leave the SIM tray empty for the times you travel.

          Problem solved. This is for 99% of people who only need a second SIM when they travel - their home carrier will be provisioned onto the eSIM because most people don't change carriers daily. When they travel, they pop in the new local SIM into the SIM tray and use that. When they

    • Is it serious ? Is it a disposable phone or what ?

      How are you going to use SIM card when you travel into a foreign country ?

      Have the secondary built in SIM chip programmed at the shop when you get your foreign data plan like they already do with the plastic SIM chips you stick in your phone? SIM chips are not particularly sophisticated pieces of technology. The Phone company will probably just send you an SMS with the chip settings which you then accept manually and the phone operating system handles the rest.

      • All great, but expect a new frontier of fake SIM swap messages to hit your phone pretty soon. You and I might be smart enough not to accept, but you can bet there's a whole raft of people who aren't.

        In the Beginning, Man created the phone. European Man insisted on a sim card, whereas American man did not. American man's phones were crap, and his networks were worse. European man's phones were better, networks were better and lo, American man saw the error of his ways and started using sim cards.

        Now we're go

        • Except that the SIM still exists, and you can even plug one into these phones:

          These handsets will have a new "dual SIM dual standby" option, one of which will be a nano SIM.

          This whole "OMG I can't use it outside my country" thing is FUD. it still has a damn nano-SIM slot on it.

    • by tgeek ( 941867 )
      Yes, Apple has been wanting this - but not for the reasons you think. Apple's goal is to eliminate the carrier from the purchasing flow. In the past, you would typically pick a carrier, go buy a phone from that carrier (or bring your own unlocked device) and activate service. With an euicc (eSIM) that changes: you go buy your Apple phone from the Apple store, turn it on, and during the setup process you get presented with a list of possible carriers you can register for service with. You sign up, an SM
      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        you get presented with a list of possible Apple-approved carriers you can register for service

        FTFY.

    • It's a very misleading, click-baity headline.

      The phone still has a physical nano-SIM, so that if you travel you can purchase and use a SIM card.

      The eSIM is what enables the second phone number.

  • by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:36AM (#57304566)

    The reprogrammable SIM card is "soldered onto the iPhone's motherboard directly

    Apple has finally gone the way of their laptops which have everything bolted, soldered, then welded to the motherboard. No replaceable parts. If something breaks, oh well. Another $1,000 down the drain for the phone, or another $3,000 for an underpowered laptop.

    Not sure how old this comic is [imgur.com], but it's about as on point as one can get.

    • That Windows Logo is from the 95/98 era, and that Apple car looks like the original iMac from 98, so that comic is probably 15 to 20 years old. Amazing how well the comic holds up after all those years, and also amazing that people still buy in to the Apple philosophy.

      • by gosand ( 234100 )

        The Apple side has held up over the years, not so sure about the Windows side of that cartoon.

  • by Daemonik ( 171801 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:37AM (#57304570) Homepage
    Google already uses e-sims for Google Fi service. The Pixel's still have a physical slot for a physical sim though. As long as Apple leaves the option for a physical sim card nothing is really changing.
    • Which they did.

      But this is Apple so everyone has to get their bitch on, even if their chosen tribe has already done the exact same thing.

    • Ha. How long do you think are they going to support "legacy" plastic SIMs? My bet is that they model after the XS will be the last one with a nano slot.
  • by Camembert ( 2891457 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:41AM (#57304586)
    Unless I misunderstood, it has one traditional SIM like all iphomes always had, you can use that when buying a SIM on holiday for example. The second one is inside the device. Hence I don’t see it as a lock down issue.
  • by pablo_max ( 626328 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:41AM (#57304590)

    Apple has been trying to do this for years. Since the first LTE iPhone in fact.

    As it happens, the core specs for GSM/UMTS and LTE actually mandated SIM cards. As did PTCRB and GCF certification, which use the 3GPP specs of course.
    So, they all said.. Nope.
    Of course, the networks did not support OTA SIM provisioning anyhow.
    Most do these days. You find that most of the new M2M products out there use soldered SIM chips.

    It's good for providers, but for you, the iPhone user it kind of sucks when you want to buy a used iPhone or sell your. You need to rely on the network provider to provision your SIM based on your IMEI, which.. legally, they are not obligated to do. They can say.. nope... you have to buy a new phone because we don't do that.
    I don't care all that much since I don't use an iPhone. I only get a new phone every 2 years when my company gives us new ones, so I cannot sell my phone anyhow.
    But.. I guess there are plenty of people out there who change their phones often. This is not good for you.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by GrandCow ( 229565 )
      That's not how phone unlocking works at all. You can put any number of SIMs into a phone, as long as they're from the company the phone is locked to. This won't change with ESIMS, the only difference will be instead of a physical card you swap out, you just tell the company the number of the SIM. The hardware of the phone either is or isn't locked regardless of the SIM or ESIM to a certain network, based on your contract.

      Nothing has changed at all regarding cell phone unlocking with the swap to ESIMs. Spri
      • Not every location that sells sim cards is going to have the ability to use ESIMS. With a regular SIM you can go down to the corner shop and pick up a SIM card. Put it in the phone, and Bob's your uncle. Now you have to find a place that will have the capability of dealing with the ESIM. This was probably done to make it required that you go to the large carrier shops rather than support smaller data providers that often have much better rates.

    • Up here in Canada, providers are legally required to unlock phones on request, with no charge. And new phones, as of Dec 2017, must come unlocked.
      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        Unlock, yes. But is your provider legally required to provision the eSIM phone of your choice?

  • by xack ( 5304745 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:49AM (#57304612)
    No headphone jack, wireless charging/connecting, and eSims means that a portless sealed phone will be possible. Apple will probably have the courage to releae a phone like this, then the others will follow.
  • I don't really know how SIMs work but is this not a good thing ? Is this not possible to slowly start getting rid of SIMs and only use smartphones' antenna and something like credentials in order to connect to the GSM network ? SIM cards take space and when you change carrier, they need to send you a new SIM, you have to change it, it takes time, etc. Having a soldered SIM that you can reprogram seems to me no different than having a SIMless device that you can connect and disconnect from any communication
    • by anegg ( 1390659 )

      I believe the idea of a SIM card (Subscriber identification Module) was to enable consumers to easily switch from one mobile handset to another without involving the carrier. Buy a new handset, move your SIM to the new handset, and start using it. All handsets supported the exact same SIM interface, so SIMs worked with all handsets for any vendor. Simple, easy, and you didn't have to deal with the whole "if you want to use a phone on my network you have to buy a phone from me" deal that carriers were pus

  • Dual-SIM is awesome (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gaiageek ( 1070870 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @06:53AM (#57304630)
    Having switched to a dual-SIM Android device a few years ago, I now find it hard to go back to single-SIM. It's incredibly useful when traveling: running your home SIM to receive calls/messages plus a local SIM for cheap data and a local number. But even when home, it's nice to be able to leverage the power of dual-SIM by running a 2nd prepaid SIM from another network for those times when coverage from your main provider is lacking - or if you simply need a 2nd line for work purposes.

    Even though I'm no Apple fan, I'm happy to see them finally make this step, and this is a rare instance where I hope other manufacturers do their usual "copy latest iPhone feature" procedure and make dual-SIM functionality a standard feature.

    Now if only someone would release a modern dual-SIM phone (with 2nd SIM 3G/LTE) with a sub-5.0" screen size.
    • by mentil ( 1748130 )

      Now if only someone would release a modern dual-SIM phone (with 2nd SIM 3G/LTE) with a sub-5.0" screen size.

      Large size only bothers me when it's in my pocket. Once I whip it out, it can be as big as it wants to be.
      This is where the Samsung foldable phone comes in. I just pray it doesn't try to unfold while in my pocket...

    • "copy latest iPhone feature"? Dude, Android phones have had dual SIM for years.
      • Dude, some Android phones have had dual SIM for years.

        FTFY. What the OP is referring to is the tendency for someone to create something, and then for Apple to do it and make it popular, causing a majority of Android devices to do it.

        This has been going on since the iPhone started. My Windows phone could do WAY more than the first iPhone back when they started, and the iPhone still has not matched all the features that phone had, but my phone wasn't common.

        Now, Windows phones are all but extinct.

        Just because a handful of Android phones have something doesn't me

        • What the OP is referring to is the tendency for someone to create something, and then for Apple to do it and make it popular, causing a majority of Android devices to do it.

          Thank you. This is exactly what I meant. I know that dual-SIM Android phones have been around for years (I did mention that I own one). If you look at what's available though, they tend to either be super low-spec (e.g. 1GB RAM) phones designed for low income buyers in developing countries, or flagship devices which tend to have larger screens and higher prices - and even these can be hard to find in the US in dual-SIM varieties, and if you can find them they often don't come with a warranty, which I consi

    • Now if only someone would release a modern dual-SIM phone (with 2nd SIM 3G/LTE) with a sub-5.0" screen size.

      Moto E4 has an exactly 5" screen, is that close enough for you? Supports basically all frequencies currently in use. The only problem is that the second sim slot is also the memory card slot.

      • I actually bought a single-SIM Moto e4 just to test it out size-wise, and it's still larger than I'd like - especially once you add a case. For the e4 dual-SIM, I'm guessing you're referring to the XT1763 model. That model does have the basic LTE bands for the US and Europe, but it's still missing many of them. More importantly, I'm pretty sure it runs the 2nd SIM in 2G only - common of the older dual-SIM devices. Since 2G is being phased out, that makes the 2nd SIM slot pretty useless with those older devi
  • by ReneR ( 1057034 ) on Thursday September 13, 2018 @07:23AM (#57304736)
    it is of course ridiculous that Apple sells the better, dual physical SIM model in China only! That eye openly ugly Apple has become to thread the rest of the world customers like this. So instead of the simplicity of inserting a local SIM we should go thru the pain and discussions and management overhead and DRM of eSIM? Not only does the Chinese model show that Apple can do it, in the Samsung Galaxy they even still fit an SD card, ..! https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
  • by Anonymous Coward

    I've had enough of the obvious greed that underlies Apple's removal of the headphone jack, deletion of the MagSafe connector, and other similar
    moves.

    I used to be an Apple evangelist. Now I despise Apple.

    I think smart people are going to move away from Apple. Apple is simply doing too many things that are grossly insulting to intelligent users.

    Perhaps Jobs planned it this way. Appointing a person with no design sense as CEO could have been part of his strategy to show the world that Apple could not succeed w

    • by ReneR ( 1057034 )
      I wish I had mod points today to rate you up. 100% my situation, thanks got I'm also into Linux so my switch may be a little bit less painful than other users', ..!
    • by anegg ( 1390659 )
      There does seem to be a race to the bottom. Microsoft has Windows 10 - ugh. Apple is making feature choices that appeal to some but seem to increase the overall cost of their product and lock out more affordable choices. Unfortunately, the third option (Linux) isn't appealing enough to enough people, and although I use it when it suits me, it isn't the desktop I want to use all the time.
  • Unless you already have two SIM cards that need to be swapped, you really should look at virtual phone numbers from Google Voice and many other providers. The SIM for your domestic needs, and the virtual phones can be for everything else. I have active phone numbers on my phone right now in Hong Kong, Germany, and the US.
  • Seems a bad idea. I'm on EE (UK) and my choice is either EE or EE.. it can't be unlocked.

    Also if not topped up for a 6 month period they deactivate the internal eSIM - permanently. I was very lucky in that I caught it in a limbo state (lasts about a week) so they could reactivate mine. I now have a reminder set to put £1 on it every 5 months.

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  • So that the phone can always be identified - got it. Except in China where both sims can be swapped out. Makes you wonder who pressured apple to do this.
  • will be to have you insert a drop of your own blood into the phone when you want to unlock it.

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