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Apple's Alleged Throttling of Older iPhones With Degraded Batteries Causes Controversy ( 183

An anonymous reader shares a report: A Reddit post over the weekend has drawn a flurry of interest after an iPhone 6s owner reported that a battery replacement significantly increased the device's performance running iOS 11. The ensuing discussion thread, also picked up by readers in the MacRumors forum, has led to speculation that Apple intentionally slows down older phones to retain a full day's charge if the battery has degraded over time. According to TeckFire, the author of the original Reddit post, their iPhone had been very slow after updating to iOS 11, especially compared to their brother's iPhone 6 Plus, so they decided to do some research with GeekBench and battery life apps, and ended up replacing the battery.
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Apple's Alleged Throttling of Older iPhones With Degraded Batteries Causes Controversy

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:07AM (#55723905)

    Who makes their phones BLAZING fast

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:07AM (#55723907)

    But they shouldn't force it.

    • by Oswald McWeany ( 2428506 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:19AM (#55723975)

      But they shouldn't force it.

      You think that because you come from Android. Obviously I'm talking generalities here and there are plenty of exceptions but Apple and Android have a different philosophical approach.

      Apple try to provide a good service, in part by making it simple to operate so the end-user doesn't have to make any decisions. They make an educated decision on behalf of their user base. (many who are old and don't really understand the technology, so appreciate that).

      Android try to leave many decisions in the hands of the users. A lot of them make poor decisions, but it is their decision to make. A lot of them are uneducated about the decisions, but again, if they wanted to they can learn and customize the operating system and the whole experience much more minutely than can be done on Apple's part.

      Apple understands their customer base. By and large, it's older and more wealthy than the Android customer base. It's less tech savvy, and wants an experience provided for them. They don't want an operating system that is work for them to configure. Yeah, it might be nice to default it on and give them an option to change it, but the more options there are, the more complexity there is in configuring.

      • by TWX ( 665546 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:24AM (#55724019)

        And basically this is entirely invalidated by designing the phone such that the battery is not user-replaceable.

        Apple designed a device that will intentionally run slower without the end user paying someone else to disassemble the phone to replace parts. Given the cost to service an older device weighed against the cost of a new device, a lot of users are going to opt for the new device, especially if they don't realize that the reason the phone is operating poorly is because of the battery.

        • by jon3k ( 691256 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:45AM (#55724181)

          And basically this is entirely invalidated by designing the phone such that the battery is not user-replaceable.

          First of all, I've replaced batteries in iPhones many times and its incredibly easy. Here's a guy replacing one in four minutes []. And you can even get a specific set of tools that will make it simple including the battery for around $25 [].

          If that's too complicated there are thousands of places both local and online that will replace your battery for a very nominal fee.

          It would take me probably half an hour to replace the PSU in my PC but I don't refer to it as being "not user-replaceable".

          • by TWX ( 665546 )

            And you're a tech enthusiast, possibly a tech professional.

            Now, how does the average nontechnical end user even know that the battery is why the phone is running slowly to begin with?

            • by Archangel Michael ( 180766 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:45AM (#55724757) Journal

              How many people have access to a tech enthusiast or professional who can perform such a thing? And in every mall is a kiosk that will do it for $25 plus parts while you wait (30 minutes tops)

              This is not a problem.

              • How many of these phones will retain their water resistance after such an operation, though? It might be $25+parts down the drain the first time it gets a little moist.

                I've personally seen more iPhones ruined by the $50+parts shops, and you're advocating that he cheaper labor won't fuck it up? There are a very slim number of people who should be trusted to service these devices: the manufacturer, the actual owner, and a handful of skilled repair facilities typically not found in such a dusty environment a
                • Dusty? Please. This is not a hard drive or a chip fab.

                  The screens are sealed to the digitizers in modern iPhones, so that's not an issue either.

                  • I see you failed to address my main point about water resistance. Why?
                    • by sabri ( 584428 )

                      I see you failed to address my main point about water resistance. Why?

                      It's a non issue, at least on my iPhone 6. I replaced the battery on my 6 a month ago because it didn't last a day anymore. All I did was buy a $20 battery at one of those mall stands. The 6 and 6s are incredibly easy to open, and it took me more time to soften the glue with a hairdryer than open/close and everything.

                      As for the water resistance: if you don't mess with any of the other parts, you should be able to have the same resistance. Remember that water resistance is not water proof.

                    • The water resistance comes, in large part, from the glue around the screen. If you damage that, well, there goes your water resistance.

                      Let's talk about a more recent model, though; one that's actually considered (and advertised by Apple) as water resistant. The iPhone 7, a year old now, but a whole two years newer than your iPhone 6, is advertised to survive being submerged in up to 3ft of water for up to 30 minutes. The repair process is more or less identical; the type of screws and the battery part num
                    • in this case, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Popping out the screen and digitizer is a 5 min job, tops. As long as you don't squeeze it with pliers or use a metal chisel, the chance that you're going to screw up that seal is minimal.

                      There is no headphone jack in the 7 and the speakers, mics, and lightning jack are all sealed. Provided you don't remove those parts (a goal post planted by the person I was replying to), you don't have to worry about them leaking. The seal around the screen is the glue you're removing when you take it out and, well, phones tend to get a little warm (understatement of the year) internally so wax wouldn't really hold up; why do you think they don't use it from the factory? Have you ever actually had one of t

                    • So you didn't read past the post where sabri mentions an iPhone 6 repair as an example of retaining water resistance, yet you replied to my post pointing out that the iPhone 6 does not have water resistance as a listed feature (because it wasn't water resistant) but the iPhone 7 (a more current model) does. Yet you replied to my post... which you just said you didn't read.

                      Again, we're talking about retaining water resistance. To retain a feature, the phone would have to have come from the factory with tha
                    • They are among the brands, yes. I still hold they're a bigger pain than the 6S and prior for the reasons stated, by both of us.

                      I suppose if you lack the proper tools, yeah, they're kind of a pain to work on. When you can get a passable set of watchmakers' tools for under $100 (you have to buy a couple individually, but the total should still be well below $100) and piecemeal replace the ones you actually use frequently enough with better ones... well, there's no excuse not to have the right tools if you're a collector and actually wish to maintain them yourself.

                      I've only had one give me a problem; a Movado ESQ (their cheaper line

                    • Got it, sorry for the overreaction. There are a handful of people on this site who have just been ruining the experience lately; but I do still learn a bit on this site so it's not yet enough to drive me away. I momentarily lost sight of the fact that you're not one of them.

                      But yeah, the glue around the iPhone 7 (and 8 and X) screen is a critical component. Horrible design, IMO, when a 0.1mm silicone gasket could serve the purpose just as well and improve serviceability immensely (keeping it at iPhone 6 l
            • by jon3k ( 691256 )
              Do you think the average non-technical person could replace a power supply in a PC? Is it also "non-replaceable" ? It's more difficult to repair a leaky toilet than replace an iphone battery. Can every person do it? No, can the vast majority? Yes.

              Find another term besides "not user replaceable" which is demonstrably incorrect. You don't need an engineering degree you need $25, access to youtube and a few free minutes.
          • That nice, but I can replace the battery on my Motorola G5 in 10 seconds with no tools but my fingers, no instructions from sketchy people on the internet and (most importantly) NOT VOIDING MY WARRANTY.
            • And that "4 minutes" includes cuts for some steps and speeding up the footage of trying to pry out the glued-in battery without breaking anything.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by TheRaven64 ( 641858 )
              Not voiding the warranty is not really a good argument, because if the battery needs replacing in warranty then Apple will replace it for you. I assumed that this was normal across computer vendors, but had a recent experience with a Dell laptop whose battery failed after about a year and was told that the battery wasn't covered by the warranty because batteries are consumables. I couldn't be bothered to take them to court over it, but hopefully we can knock Dell of the approved supplier list at work, whi
              • Laptop batteries last at most 2 years before needing replacement. And new batteries are about 25% of the cost of a new laptop (on the low end). On the otherhand, upgrading to SSD and replacing the battery on an older laptop makes it feel like a brand new one.

                Designed to be obsolete.

                • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                  by TheRaven64 ( 641858 )
                  Apple rates their laptop batteries as retaining 80% of their initial charge after a fixed number of recharge cycles. If they die in the three-year warranty, they'll replace them anyway. If they die after the warranty has expired, but within the number of recharge cycles that they advertise, then they'll also replace them. I had a battery die in my Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro after 4 years. System Profiler shows the number of charge cycles and the full charge capacity (for me, this was down to about 20% of wh
              • by torkus ( 1133985 )

                I'm not sure why you'd ding Dell for exactly the same thing you're praising apple for. (well, maybe I can guess)

                Batteries ARE consumables. How *fast* they're consumed is another story and varies with the quality, chemistry, and usage. Not voiding the warranty most certainly is still an argument though. Apple will often refuse to replace a battery within warranty unless it's severely degraded. If, however, you don't think missing 25% of your battery capacity is a good thing you're stuck paying apple's p

                • I'm not sure why you'd ding Dell for exactly the same thing you're praising apple for.

                  Huh? Apple has replaced batteries for us out of warranty if they don't retain 80% charge in under their rated number of discharge cycles. Dell refuses to replace batteries for machines that are under warranty. How do you think this equates to dinging Dell for the same thing I'm praising Apple for.

                  The difference with the iPhone batteries is that they don't (that I know of) provide users with a mechanism for seeing the full charge capacity or the recharge cycle. This means that the only way that you have

            • by jon3k ( 691256 )
              Thank you for your irrelevant anecdote. I never said it was easier than other phones.
          • Sure its incredibly easy to replace an iPhone battery. All you have to do is brute force a glass covered LCD out of its encasement. What could possibly go wrong?!

            FYI: If you take it to a shop and they screw up and breaks the LCD, the replacement will be a cheap knockoff.

            • by jon3k ( 691256 )
              I've seen children replace iphone batteries []. If you're incapable of doing this you're either elderly, profoundly incompetent or have a significant disability. Look it up, it is incredibly easy and takes only a couple of minutes.

              FYI: If you take it to a shop and they screw up and breaks the LCD, the replacement will be a cheap knockoff.

              While it's certainly possible, making blanket statements like this is just silly.

          • by Falos ( 2905315 )

            >iphone batteries are user-replaceable

            You're retreating to an absolute metric.

            If you assume the industry has a spectrum of UR/nonUR, iphone is in the non-UR end. Easily.

            If you assume a binary condition for the market's phones, iphone is non-UR. Easily.

            AKSHUALLY won't change the hard facts above.

            • by jon3k ( 691256 )
              Any reasonable competent human being can replace an iPhone battery. They sell thousands of kits on amazon to do it yourself, which includes the tools, so it's obviously not aimed at professionals repeating the process. When the vast majority of competent adults can perform the process I think it's safe to say it's "user replaceable". We need to find another term besides "non user-replaceable" which is demonstrably false. I'm a user, I don't work for Apple, I'm not trained in any way. I can order a kit
              • by Falos ( 2905315 )

                You're still hiding the verdict behind "anyone can do it".

                In question was their non UR intent/design. Every overdressed lens flare of press release, every page of documentation, every leashed puppet word from staff, every fine print on the boilerplate. The original point was about their business strategy, and for all your faith in users it still stands.

                Engine oil is UR, with no respect to the capabilities/preferences of the population. By design. This stands whether 100% or 0% of drivers let the local lube

        • Here is an interesting difference between Apple and Google.

          The CPUs in the Nexus 5x and 6p are prone to burning out the fast cores []. When this thermal damage takes place, the phones go into boot-loops.

          If you were smart enough to unlock the bootloader, you are able to install a version of TWRP that locks down the fast cores, and only uses the slow ones. From there, you can load a custom kernel that does the same, and restore limited functionality.

          You would think that any sane company would immediately roll th

        • I read elsewhere that itâ(TM)s not just a good idea from a usability perspective but itâ(TM)s also a good idea from a safety perspective. Namely if you are pushing further into and old batteryâ(TM)s low voltage regime you may be altering the battery chemistry in a way that degrades the battery faster, or builds up excessive heat is you demanded the same current as a new battery.

      • The very least they should do is to inform the user: "Your battery is degraded and performance is reduced as a result. It is recommended you have the battery replaced."

        Having said that, I don't agree that an advanced option somewhere an average user won't even know to look, is "increasing complexity in configuring". Heck, it seems every time my iPad gets a major update I have to go through a handful of screens worth of iCloud logins and what not. This is stuff I _already_ configured. If Apple feels that is

        • by Mascot ( 120795 )

          Update: I browsed the Reddit real quick, and it seems likely it's not just a trick to retain a day's worth of battery, but to prevent devices from shutting down by drawing too much power. If that is the case then obviously an option to run full blast would be a bad idea. Informing the user would still be a grand idea, though.

      • This also applies to political philosophies as well.

      • > By and large, it's older and more wealthy than the Android customer base.It's less tech savvy...

        Or even some of us who simply want a smartphone to work - who don't really do much in the way of "configuration". Plenty of tech savvy people use iPhones an Apple products simply because the integration of Apple's walled garden is in and of itself very, very good. I also work supporting other people all day long and sometimes when I come home I just want to do a bit of coding and not have to worry about
      • I am upset. The whole problem is they are making the phone perform worse. Worse. WORSE that is. Slower is bad. Apple is supposed to give you fast products. Plus who the hell thinks "my phone is going slower, I guess it needs a new battery", that absolutely is misleading.

        I am quite sure over 50% of users of old products would rather the old phone perform just as fast but need to be recharged one more time per day. Apple is going the other route because they would rather you just buy a new phone. That's dirty

    • I can see just as much anger going if it was an option. I have recently upgraded my 6. Mostly due to the fact that its battery wasn't lasting a day, the phone would drop to 50% at the end of the day if I didn't do anything with it. If I used it for any tasks I may be able to get it past 5:00 PM. Being that it is an older model of phone it wasn't worth it for me to fix the battery, so I upgraded. While there is a low power mode feature in iOS which reduces functions, it was nice to know the phone was des

  • Speculation (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    So when does speculation make the leap to fact?

    • Have you been living under a rock. We live in a world where everything is untrue, except for the person who is stating it to be absolute truth, but we don't believe them because everything is untrue. Not explaining thing in absolutes shows weakness.

    • According to some people around here, when 3 or more people make the same claim, regardless of evidence.
    • by Falos ( 2905315 )

      After they finish the testing TFS mentions.

      Oh wait.

  • by scourfish ( 573542 ) <scourfish@y a h o o . c om> on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:12AM (#55723939)
    When a phone is in a lower power state, power management can do several things to extend longevity: run the processor slower, dim the screen, operate the cellular radio in a lower power state. A worn out battery could potentially cause one or more of these things to happen.
    • by Bing Tsher E ( 943915 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:29AM (#55724051) Journal

      The real controversy is the lack of communication to the owners of the devices. They should be fully informed of this 'innovative technology' so they can spend the $40 to get a new battery installed, instead of giving up and buying a new iGadget.

      • What? And miss the opportunity to sell a new I-Device?

        Apple is a lot of things, but stupid isn't among them. Some of their customers however....

        Personally, I figured this was the case anyway. That old I-Device gets slower for two reasons though. 1. The battery has less capacity so they try to keep he device running longer by scaling back power consumption. 2. IOS is getting bigger and slower as more capabilities are added and because apple has this "Unified user interface" concept to keep up they have

    • But in case of an emergency, will Apple's "help" drop your call to 911 because the cellular radio is in a low-power state?

    • The discussion is about them lowering the processor speed unconditionally to avoid drawing higher voltage on a battery that was only 20% degraded, to prevent phone shutdowns while the battery still had power. This is likely a similar problem to the phone shutdowns that other phone makers have experienced, such as the Nexus 6p, which Google ended up replacing many of with Pixel phones under warranty. Apple is trying to avoid warranty replacement instead of having a battery control circuit that detected tha

      • by Luthair ( 847766 )
        I think the 6p is simply faulty engineering on the part of Huawei, it isn't something we've seen from other manufacturers. More likely Apple is doing this as suggested in the article to fake the battery life and avoid users utilizing applecare for a replacement.
    • by Eloking ( 877834 )

      When a phone is in a lower power state, power management can do several things to extend longevity: run the processor slower, dim the screen, operate the cellular radio in a lower power state. A worn out battery could potentially cause one or more of these things to happen.

      It wouldn't be if the OS would notify the user about the said throttle. For instance, Power Saving Mode.

      I don't know for you, but when I'm buying a phone with great performance, I'm expecting the phone to be running at those spect at all time.

      • Like a 2 year old I-Device is going to have performance... If you want performance you need the latest device, brand new and clean to get it. Anything else is going to be less performance.
  • by jareth-0205 ( 525594 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:13AM (#55723943) Homepage

    On the one hand it's eminently sensible to slow the device if that will eek out enough battery for the expected usage - a dead phone has zero performance. And batteries degrade as they get older, that we know... but if the user has no visibility of this, if they have no idea that it's happening or how to fix it then their device is being hobbled without an obvious fix.

    Everybody knows that if battery doesn't last, you should replace the battery. But if the phone gets slower... the fix isn't visible. And we know Apple employees aren't the most honest when you ask for diagnosis...

    Sensible thing to do, but as all closed-source bundles, if the user isn't informed then it's still pretty anti-consumer.

    • Then the story will be "Apple makes users decide, reduced battery life, or slower performance." Just another attempt by Apple to make their clueless users spend money.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      "eke". Not "eek". That's the sound a mouse makes.

    • by marcansoft ( 727665 ) <> on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:26AM (#55724579) Homepage

      This isn't about making the battery last longer. It's about making the phone work at all. It has to do with battery chemistry.

      Old batteries don't just "last less". They also have an increased internal series resistance. That resistance actually limits the amount of power you can pull out of it. The more current you draw, the more energy is wasted as heat, and the lower the output voltage. As internal series resistance increases, it becomes physically impossible to get more than a certain amount of power out of the battery, and this limit also decreases as the battery drains during a given discharge cycle. It's a hard physical limit. The I-V curve just never hits your power target. If you try, your voltage sags and then the phone shuts down. This is what triggers a common syndrome in old devices, where the battery meter shows 30% but then you try to open up a CPU-intensive app and the device immediately shuts down. Chances are that's not the battery meter being wrong or miscalibrated: there really was 30% charge remaining in the battery. It just wasn't capable of handling that much power draw at that charge level. There's 30% charge remaining and there's a hidden limit as to how fast you can drain it.

      It's almost certain that what Apple did here was start throttling phone performance when battery voltage sags below a critical threshold, to prevent hard shutdowns. On older batteries, this would appear as a performance limit as the battery empties. But it was never about making the phone last longer. It's just a physical limitation. The alternative is your phone shuts down. That's obviously not good.

      The right solution, of course, is to have a notification or something that tells users when this is happening. Something along the lines of "Your battery cannot supply enough power to keep your device working at full performance. To maintain optimum performance, a battery replacement is recommended.".

      • Your explanation makes sense, but if that's what's happening Apple is being overly cautious.

        My iPhone 6 worked fine running the final version of iOS 10. I can remember 2 spontaneous shutdowns over the last two years. Those were annoying when they happened, but they didn't happen often.

        The day I upgraded to iOS 11, performance on my phone went into the toilet. It was sluggish. The screen stuttered. I had trouble switching between apps. I had to tap buttons on the screen several times before the taps
        • What that means is that if you keep your phone charge in the ideal 20-80% charge level, you will get 50% of the stated specs 100% of the time.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        You may well be right, they did have some issues with premature shut down that seemed to be related to times of high load on the battery.

        The thing is, it's bad design. They use very small batteries compared to other similarly sized phones. It's the old form over function decision, 0.01mm thinner at the expense of having an inadequate battery.

        Also reminds me of the iPhone 4 antenna. Simple lack of experience designing phones, leading to them forgetting to test things like holding it or when the battery is ag

      • If any of what you wrote was remotely true it would happen with other phones. Instead Android phones just get shorter and shorter lives but has the same performance.

        • That's because most Android phones do *not* do this and then succumb to the sudden death syndrome. That's what my Nexus 10 started doing after its battery went kaput. It would run for ages on standby or with the screen brightness on low and not doing much, but instantly die as soon as It tried to play back a video (but would boot right back up and the battery voltage shot up to near fully charged levels after shutdown). Internal resistance.

          On the other hand, I have heard anecdotal reports from friends with

    • by leonbev ( 111395 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @11:34AM (#55724637) Journal

      The thing is that Apple DOES give the user some visibility to this issue. When iOS senses that the battery is failing, it puts up a "Battery Performance Degraded" warning in the Battery section of the Settings screen. I saw it on my iPhone 6, but not until it got to the point where the phone would only last 3 hours on a charge and the phone would just randomly power itself off when the battery got below 40% charge. I got the battery replaced, and now it goes 2 days on a single charge again.

      They might want to put that battery warning in a place more prominently, but it is there.

    • I would bet that this isn't even to preserve battery life, but intentionally to make the phone seem old/slow. If someone pays the Apple tax and gets a new battery, they get some more performance for a while.

      Everyone knows that the last iOS device made available for a given iPhone is always going to be a performance killer. It happens every time. Not to mention new features are artificially hardware restricted many times too.

    • In the reddit thread, tons of people are talking about how even having the thing plugged into power doesn't allow max performance. There are also several saying the same thing happens on Macbook laptops. And most of these guys are posting real stats from different performance testing apps and whanot. This is dirty of Apple, I don't care how you slice it or them.

  • by leeosenton ( 764295 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:19AM (#55723973)
    So Apple checks my battery voltage, sees that it is below spec, and then they limit performance to ensure the phone keeps working. Sounds like a good plan to me. Perhaps they could/should add a battery health report in settings>battery so I know when to take it in for a new battery. Not a Apple freak, unlike many that act like phone OS is a religion. I have a 6S Plus 64GB and a Pixel XL 128GB. Love both and switch daily driver every few months.
    • by Bing Tsher E ( 943915 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:27AM (#55724037) Journal

      Perhaps they could include a battery door so you can swap in a fresh battery at a small cost.

      • by havana9 ( 101033 )
        I can be ok if the battery is accessible opening a back panel kept in place by Torx screws. like my Casio LCD watch or my Lenovo laptop. Or even my Yaesu transceiver.
    • With the tiny addition that in the same model apple admitted a manufacturing defect in the battery for a range of serial numbers, and initiated a replacement program - not for all phones, just for that range.

      It couldn't have anything to do with that defect, right?

    • It's a problem because the design of the phone and battery allows the voltage on older batteries to intermittently drop enough to cause the phone to shut off unexpectedly. Rather than disclose this issue and fix the phone/battery at their cost (which would be into the hundreds of millions of dollars), Apple decided to cover up the problem with a software fix that slowed users' phones by a significant amount without disclosing that fact to them.
  • Give us OPTIONS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Tuesday December 12, 2017 @10:37AM (#55724111)

    Yes I know, most Apple users aren't nerds, etc.

    However, it would be nice to do the same thing Tesla does with their cars: always keep the battery between 30~70% (or was it 40~80%?). Letting the phone charge its battery to 100% every time and letting it drop to 0% just kills lithium-ion batteries.

    Just let the user set "maximum battery run time" or "maximum battery longevity".

    • You're assuming that 100% on the battery meter corresponds to 100% of the chemical potential in the battery.

      There's no particular reason Apple has to do that. And they don't.

    • by Megane ( 129182 )

      Apple learned a long time ago to wait until the battery discharges below 95% before charging again. That last 5% is really hard on Li-ion batteries. I know this because I had a "Pismo" Powerbook back in 2000-2001 and the battery died after just a year of use, probably because I kept sleeping it, then plugging it in. (It didn't help that I ran OS X beta on it, which didn't sleep everything properly.) A couple of years later they added the 95% recharge threshold.

      I see this behavior all the time on my current

  • because it can't suck enough energy fast enough.
    News at 11.
    Conspiracy theories right now.

  • my kid has had 4 iPhones, and every single one lasted about 18 months before it started having tons of problems, performance degradation, etc. I figured the heat was killing some of the cores or the ram or something. But this makes much more sense. The best part being you can't even replace the battery.
  • And I can use it fine for days. I see no reason to upgrade ever. I am also getting tired of smartphones and don't follow or buy into the hype anymore. They're all surveillance equipment now.
  • What are the benchmarks like when the phone is plugged in and charging?

  • It was not "over time" - it was in less than 4 months. Apple would not or replace my battery until some lawsuit came about. "Apple has admitted that some iPhone 6S devices can suddenly shut down for no apparent reason. The tech giant is offering owners of the problematic smartphones free replacement batteries. ... Apple's battery replacement offer for the iPhone 6S applies worldwide."

  • We keep buying phones with non-user replaceable batteries. I've done it myself.

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