A Tip for Apple in China: Your Hunger for Revenue May Cost You (wsj.com) 57
Li Yuan, writing for the WSJ: Apple's latest predicament centers on its App Store. Last month, Apple told several Chinese social-networking apps, including the wildly popular messaging platform WeChat, to disable their "tip" functions to comply with App Store rules (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source), according to executives at WeChat and other companies. That function allows users to send authors and other content creators tips, from a few yuan to hundreds, via transfers from mobile-wallet accounts. Those transfers are offered by the social-networking apps free of charge, as a way to inspire user engagement. Now, those tips will be considered in-app purchases, just like buying games, music and videos, entitling Apple to a 30% cut. For Apple, which has been observing slowing growth in mature markets, China is increasingly becoming important. But the company's my way or high-way approach might hurt the company's image in China. And that image as well as fortunes of local companies, is what the Chinese authorities deeply care about. As Yuan adds, "while it's understandable that Apple wants to tap the App Store for more money, its pressure on the app platforms risks alienating powerful Chinese companies, turning off Chinese iPhone users and drawing unnecessary attention from the regulators." Executives of these IM messaging apps tell WSJ that Apple has threatened that it would kick their apps out of the App Store if they don't comply. The problem is, WeChat is way more popular in China than Apple -- or its iPhones or its services or both combined, analysts say. WeChat is insanely popular in China, and people love to use the app to pay for things they purchase and send money to friends. Apple's greed could end up resulting in millions of new Android users, analysts said.
Apple tax (Score:2)
That's it
Re: Apple tax (Score:2)
If Tencent will distribute weixin through "rooted only" app stores, I bet they will not loose much users
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You do know that Android Pay and Apple Pay have fees attached to them that the users don't pay but the CC/Banks do .. so you and I can have the convenience of using mobile payments ... right?!
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The traditional credit card companies have one crucial advantage that's lacking in all of these fly-by-night alternative "paynent systems": A legally mandated maximum of $50 liability in the event of fraud. And I think all of my cards but one waive that $50. Without that buffer, good luck getting your money back when WeChat or Venmo or whatever gets hacked and your bank account's routing & account numbers are stolen. And even if you do get it back eventually; you're still without the money for the d
Re: Apple tax (Score:2)
In China, a company working as an intermediary has an unlimited liability.
Wechat pays in all and every proven fraud case, which are very few
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New app rollout... (Score:2)
WSJ links (Score:1)
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Big market of nothing (Score:3)
The number of companies that bow to pressure to enter the Chinese and Indian markets because of volume, is precisely the same as the number of companies who have declining margins and increasing obsolescence and who get their asses kicked by companies local to (mostly) China. Yes, there are many persons in those country, but they are not rich and they are not good for high margin, premium products. At the same time, I do not know of any company who can simultaneously feed the premium product and the value product efficiently: they either sacrifice one for the other creating mediocrity, or else function as two companies in both technology and business (marketing, sales).
These markets should be avoided at all costs, once you let them in the door they will bleed you dry. If Apple wants to enter China as a value product line, they need to bifurcate and create a lower end product line with a unique brand. Wealthy Chinese will continue to prefer Apple because they know better, whereas the masses, whom Wall St. interests want to cater to, want it but will by the fake Apple brand (Fapple?) if it can deliver superior value to evil bastards like Huawei.
Under no circumstances should any concessions be made for Huawei or products like what they offer. Like Microsoft they are a company that needs to stop existing, be chopped into many pieces and buried at equidistant locations on the earth, no less than 1 mile below the surface with eternally vigilant hell hounds guarding all exits, lest they break free and condemn us all to an eternity of hellfire.
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Nah, they will just impose a local tax on Apple to process the transaction.
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That's a great idea! Also you should use my free app! It's great and lets you create an account and a profile; and if you send me a $19.99 tip (through the app), you can even use a bunch of special content features as a thank-you!
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Essentially the way the chinese are using the apps is as an electronic wallet. Only an idiot would use a wallet that tries to take 30% of each transaction. The chinese are using it to avoid transaction fees altogether. Apple charging anything on this service is going to kill the use of it on the iphone stone dead.
They honestly haven't a clue how this works, this is an alternative to paper money not some kind of game. They might use it to buy a coffee the next $10,000 of components in one of the electroni
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If you don't get it
try this youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
rather ironically it's about a guy trying to build his own iPhone 6S 16GB entirely from parts bought in the public cell phone parts markets in Huaqiangbei.
If you ignore that aspect you will see how the market vendors are doing deals and transferring money using these apps instead of cash.
Apple takes 30 % ? (Score:2)
YUCC !!!!
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"Nothing our 280 Billion $ in the bank can't handle. Here, check out our new iPhone ..."
And everybody: "Oooooh, shiny!"
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"Nothing our 280 Billion $ in the bank can't handle. Here, check out our new iPhone ..."
And everybody: "Oooooh, shiny!"
I take it you've never been to China. iPhone is a bit player and their market share is declining [cnbc.com] in China. 'Ooooh shiny' might work on stupid American teenagers, but the Chinese are a little more savvy.
the sky is falling (Score:1)
Let's run out and bury ourselves in the hills!
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Apples image is suffering! Let's run out and bury ourselves in the hills!
Can I bring my iPhone into the hills?
Popular is not what it seems (Score:2)
Wechat is popular in China because that's all they've got. Their access to most other social and communication platforms (bot US and other Asian like LINE, for example) is blocked. So, of course Wechat is "more popular" - it runs on all phones in China, Android and iOS.
Making any conclusions based on that, and in particular deriving the "Chinese love Wechat" from these numbers, would be a mistake.
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Their access to most other social and communication platforms (bot US and other Asian like LINE, for example) is blocked.
This is typical example of arrogant commentators brainwashed by Western media.
Chinese have for long long time free accessed to MSN, Skype, Yahoo Messenger, etc. But those apps still can't compete QQ and WeChat, because foreigner apps don't really understand the Chinese culture. (MSN managed to cringe on the 3rd place mostly due to Windows monopoly.)
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Making any conclusions based on that, and in particular deriving the "Chinese love Wechat" from these numbers, would be a mistake.
So what's your explanation for Thai, Philippine, Vietnamese, Malaysian and Indonesians also using Wechat heavily?
I've spent a fair bit of time all over South East Asia and Wechat is the the most popular app everywhere I go. Even back home, when shoulder surfing on the bus or train I see a lot of Wechat users from different Asian countries.
Too Big To Fail (Score:2)
There is no new lesson here. If you become Too Big, then nobody, not the US government, not the Chinese government, and not even Apple Inc, can dare to kill you, because whoever try would create huge trouble and mess for themselves. In fact, those other entities would have to come rescue you in case you are in trouble -- check out the banks circa 2008.
That's why everybody want to be too big to fail.
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Problem being is that some things really need to fail. Remember this post of Tech giants which you could do without [slashdot.org].
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There is also a social psychology need to not fulfill every "really" logically necessary need. Get on with the real world.
I'm abandoning Apple development (Score:2)
The App Store is a desert, sadly, and Apple has given it no love for years. It's still a horrible tool to find apps and its search is pathetic. Xcode is a straight jacket and Swift keeps changing all the time. The two apps I wrote (one on iOS and the other for macOS) will be my last that get submitted to the App Store. Developers are voting with their feet and choosing not to distribute things via the App Store any more. My next phone is going to be an Android anyway because iOS and the iPhone are bitches.
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Neither of my apps makes a lot of money, it's more of a hobby, so the likelihood of making less cash from the Play Store doesn't bother me. I've reached the limits of what Apple's developer straight jackets can teach me, I'm afraid.