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Trump Says He's Going To 'Get Apple To Build a Big Plant In the United States' (arstechnica.com) 471

In a Tuesday interview with The New York Times, President-elect Donald Trump said that he would incentivize Apple to "build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States." Ars Technica reports: Trump indicated to columnist Thomas Friedman that he is going to double-down on bringing factory jobs back to America, especially in the Rust Belt from Michigan to Pennsylvania.

FRIEDMAN: Are you worried, though, that those companies will keep their factories here, but the jobs will be replaced by robots?
TRUMP: They will, and we'll make the robots, too. [laughter]
TRUMP: It's a big thing, we'll make the robots, too. Right now we don't make the robots. We don't make anything. But we're going to. I mean, look, robotics is becoming very big and we're going to do that. We're going to have more factories. We can't lose 70,000 factories. Just can't do it. We're going to start making things.

Trump continued, saying that he had received a call from Apple CEO Tim Cook. As the president-elect recounted: "...and I said, 'Tim, you know, one of the things that will be a real achievement for me is when I get Apple to build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States, where instead of going to China, and going to Vietnam, and going to the places that you go to, you're making your product right here.' He said, 'I understand that.' I said: 'I think we'll create the incentives for you, and I think you're going to do it. We're going for a very large tax cut for corporations, which you'll be happy about.' But we're going for big tax cuts, we have to get rid of regulations, regulations are making it impossible. Whether you're liberal or conservative, I mean, I could sit down and show you regulations that anybody would agree are ridiculous. It's gotten to be a free-for-all. And companies can't, they can't even start up, they can't expand, they're choking."
A report from Nikkei last week said that Apple is exploring the idea of making iPhones in the United States, but the company has realized that it will cost more than double to make the shiny new gadgets at home.
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Trump Says He's Going To 'Get Apple To Build a Big Plant In the United States'

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  • Dear Apple fans: (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:22PM (#53349905) Journal
    If he gets his way: Enjoy your next iPhone costing $3000.
    • by Jhon ( 241832 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:25PM (#53349921) Homepage Journal

      No.. you misunderstand. He's going to get them to plant a TREE. When it grows, it will be a "big plant"!

      • by ClickOnThis ( 137803 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:40PM (#53350071) Journal

        No.. you misunderstand. He's going to get them to plant a TREE. When it grows, it will be a "big plant"!

        An Apple tree, FTW.

        • by Adriax ( 746043 )

          And then he's going to make them give their Apple Sauce Code for the iPhone to the fbi so they can catch terrorists.

        • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:02PM (#53350223) Homepage Journal
          Actually...for those Apple fans that buy for status (I don't understand that myself, I buy some of their products because I like them, I"v never thought of them as a status object).....come with a BRAND for the higher priced versions.

          Next do the Apple iPhone 8USA +.

          Charge a premium for the versions built in the USA.

          Hell, it works for Fender, they have USA vs Mexican Strats....there's a price difference and it is worth it to some people to buy the US version.

          Frankly, I have NO problem with most anything that was slightly higher in price if it was USA made. I"d definitely consider paying a bit more for US jobs, and hopefully, quality.

          • Hell, it works for Fender, they have USA vs Mexican Strats

            It works and it doesn't. People have figured out that some of the pan-Asian guitars are way better than what's coming out of the US factories at a fraction of the price. There's only so much cachet you get from something coming out of a US plant unless the quality is commensurate with the price.

          • As an observation I don't associate "Made in the USA" with quality for anything except tools, and that is more brand specific than the made in the usa part. Certainly for cars its a huge minus when I'm looking at them.

            I associate country wide build quality with Germany and Japan. I have negative quality connotations associated with China and India, though both of those are losing that fast. Most of the rest of the world doesn't really get a thought.

          • by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @06:56PM (#53351033) Homepage

            Apple are not longer selling empty status, they are selling, 'I can afford to pay for my privacy', status. Now after the spy software planted by Chinese manufacturers in phones, the only way they can really still sell you privacy is to manufacture locally under strict security controls and when you switch on your phone and log in for the first time, download and install the security and encryption software from a secure offshore location (let's go with Iceland at this time).

            Apple selling you privacy unlike M$ selling your privacy, gives them a powerful marketing advantage and to make the most of that, they need to manufacture in a secure location (M$ are now pretty much stuck as being the perves of the internet spying on everyone foolish enough to trust them with anything, eww, only the poor have to sell the privacy to buy M$ shite).

            So it really would not take all that much assistance to drive a marketing driven production shift, especially if they promote privacy guaranteed notebooks and desktops. The perve douche bags at M$ are really vulnerable right now as the public demand for the basic human right of privacy grows, so Apple can really stick it to them real hard right now, by marketing and promoting "selling 'you' privacy rather than selling 'your' privacy".

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by hambone142 ( 2551854 )

            I agree with you. I'd pay a premium to have a US built product. Add Harley Davidson to the list, BTW.

            I once proposed the same to Meg Whitman several years ago. My response: No response.

            I believe this is why she was siding with Hillary.

            HP has more jobs in India than it has in the US.

            Disclaimer: I voted for neither candidate so save your wind.

          • by no1nose ( 993082 )

            I would gladly pay more for the iPhone 8USA Plus. Especially if it meant the phone was made paying fair wages and not taking advantage of third-world workers. We have low prices on most items because of the advantage we take on workers in these other countries. Apple is rich, but on the backs of humans working in slave-like, or, much, worse, conditions.

            • by jeremyp ( 130771 )

              Ha ha.

              I like the way people assume that taking work away from workers in the Third World is doing them a favour.

              • It is actually. What happens if people start refusing to buy things made in slave-labour like conditions ? You force the third world companies to change their labour practises in order to keep making money.

                So no, you don't "take work away" - you make their work conditions better - unless you're seriously claiming that the owners of Chinese factories don't want to make money !

      • No.. you misunderstand. He's going to get them to plant a TREE. When it grows, it will be a "big plant"!

        If I cut up my apple and bury it, I do get tree(s)...care to try a little experiment with your iPhone 6 Plus? >:-)

    • Apple has already stated that in the current market the cost to produce an iPhone in the US would be double what it is now. I don't expect an extra $100-$200 in cost would equate to an increase quite as large as that. With some tax cuts, incentives and deregulation the cost could realistically stay the same.

      • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:31PM (#53349977)

        Apple has already stated that in the current market the cost to produce an iPhone in the US would be double what it is now. I don't expect an extra $100-$200 in cost would equate to an increase quite as large as that. With some tax cuts, incentives and deregulation the cost could realistically stay the same.

        How much US tax does Apple actually pay now?

        China has the manufacturing infrastructure and ridiculously cheap labour, I have a hard time imagining that "tax cuts, incentives and deregulation" are going to make it competitive to move manufacturing to the US.

        • It's the deregulation that suddenly makes it much less expensive although you don't want to live near that factory. Ad to that a nice fat tax break and few subsidies....

        • Re: Dear Apple fans: (Score:4, Informative)

          by EEPROMS ( 889169 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:35PM (#53350483)
          actually the ridiculous cheap labour in china stereotype doesn't exist any more, in fact wages in china now exceed USD$5 per hour. So why is the USD$5 per hour number significant, well when wages hit USD$5 per hour it becomes viable to replace the worker with a robot. Now this raises the question, does a robot in the USA perform any better or worse than in china, the answer is the robot doesn't care thus it doesn't matter were the robot resides. So now the only major differences for apple are infrastructure costs and taxes.
          • by ghoul ( 157158 )

            Actually Foxconn is going for robots in a big way in China. India govt has provided free land to Foxconn and lobbying hard to move production to India where workers are cheaper but Foxconn would rather put in robots in China than move the production to India. And China is taking the lead in robotics as most factories are in China so when it is time to automate they are being automated in China rather than moving them somewhere else and then automating them.

          • by aaarrrgggh ( 9205 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @08:04PM (#53351393)
            You are still missing the supply chain impact; all the parts are available nearby in China. That has an impact on cost as well...
        • by Gussington ( 4512999 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @08:37PM (#53351557)

          How much US tax does Apple actually pay now?

          China has the manufacturing infrastructure and ridiculously cheap labour, I have a hard time imagining that "tax cuts, incentives and deregulation" are going to make it competitive to move manufacturing to the US.

          Donald: Tim, we're going to offer huge tax cuts.
          Tim: But Donald, we don't pay any tax, just like you
          Tim and Donald both laugh hysterically for hours....

      • With some tax cuts, incentives and deregulation the cost could realistically stay the same.

        More corporate welfare. I didn't think Apple was so poor. I guess it is in the Trump economy.

      • Tax cuts ARE costs. So you're saying that the majority of Americans who care nothing about iPhones with their 15% market share should be supplementing the Apple fandom?

      • It's not as simple as that. "More than double" could mean a lot of things. It could just refer to the production costs.

        China is quickly automating a lot of the factory jobs because Americans whine when Foxconn workers kill themselves. If they're going to completely automate a new product line the price difference between doing it in China and doing it in the US probably shrinks. Watch apple's videos on how the MBP is made. Count the workers.

        Add in a lot of other fringe benefits you get from bringing it back

    • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
      You misunderstand. He's going to "incentivize Apple". That means it will cost every taxpayer $2000 per iPhone, and the buyer $1000.

      Corporate welfare, no drug tests needed.
    • by ShooterNeo ( 555040 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:28PM (#53349953)

      Double the COST. It currently costs $224 to make the 7. So it would cost $448 in the U.S. (probably less actually with automation, I bet this cost estimate is assuming the same labor hours per phone). If apple collects the same profit margin and passes the cost on, the phone would cost $224 more, or about $924.

      Annoying but not the end of the world and not $3000.

      I'm somewhat in favor of this. Not tax incentives - I just think that plants outside the U.S. that are allowed to import without tariffs should (1) adhere to OSHA and (2) pay their workers a living wage and (3) adhere to comparable environmental regulations as the U.S.

      Otherwise, it will never be possible for American manufacturers to compete if the foreign plants can be deathtraps that use slave labor and create mountains of pollution.

      http://fortune.com/2016/09/20/... [fortune.com]

      • Re:Dear Apple fans: (Score:5, Informative)

        by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:33PM (#53349989)

        Double the COST. It currently costs $224 to make the 7.

        No, nearly all of that $224 is component costs, which would be the same. The actual assembly labor cost is about $10. Most estimates are that it would cost about $20 in America. So offering Apple subsidies and tax breaks to shift production to America is stupid, but only slightly stupid. Of course, it is also illegal under WTO rules, but that is another matter.

        • Won't matter. Last I saw, it was requiring a few hundred thousand with small hands, excellent fine motor skills, and the ability to do meticulous work for long hours. That isn't an American resource.

          Either Apple will have to compromise their design to make it robot friendly, or we'll have to import the workers.

      • Oh, I think it'll more than double the cost per unit to build them, because you can't pay only a dollar a day to U.S. workers, and you have to give them health insurance, retirement packages, etc. So I stand by it ending up with a suggested retail price of $3000.
    • > If he gets his way: Enjoy your next iPhone costing $3000.

      Wait, are you saying we're going to get a discount, too? :)

    • Trump can want all he likes, if it is not going to be cheaper to produce apple products in the US, it is either not going to happen, or Trump will be subsidising the production to the tune of $2,000 per device.

    • by martinX ( 672498 )

      But it will come with adapters, right?

    • by mea2214 ( 935585 )
      The IPhone will still be $600 but the government will subsidize $2400 in tax credits to either Apple, the buyer, or both. Trump will be applauded for lowering taxes. Win win.
  • I for one am glad that robots will soon be big. I have always hoped to live in an age where robots are a thing. Making them big is just the icing on the mechanical cake.
    • You may be glad robots are big. But I would prefer that they fit inside my home where they can do useful things.
      • You may be glad robots are big. But I would prefer that they fit inside my home where they can do useful things.

        See when the robots are big they will BE your home.

  • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:25PM (#53349929)

    Somebody seems to overestimate his powers, mental and constitutional.

  • lol (Score:5, Funny)

    by Rik Sweeney ( 471717 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:26PM (#53349947) Homepage

    "Get Apple to build a big plant in the United States"

    So, an Apple tree?

  • That's OK. (Score:5, Funny)

    by grumling ( 94709 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:33PM (#53349987) Homepage

    No big deal. From what we've seen so far, tomorrow he'll Tweet about how wonderful it is that Apple is making their phones in Asia instead of the US.

    Too bad Steve Jobs isn't still around to take that phone call. The reality distortion fields would have caused a rip in space-time.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:41PM (#53350081)

    1. Regulations are not created by some evil Liberul cabal in Berkeley that sits around smoking weed and drinking espressos saying, "How can we make business more difficult. Regulations arise because there is at least a few assholes who think, "If it's not illegal, then it's OK!" - even if it causes the deaths of people. So these regulations didn't come out of thin air - somewhere, they are (or were) protecting someone.

    2. Corporate taxes are comparatively excessive in the US - even compared to evil Socialist European tax systems. BUT, any tax cuts means revenues will have to be made up somewhere else and let's give up on the fantasy that lowering taxes boosts the economy enough to wash out the tax cuts.

    3. The stock markets are hoping that the Republican controlled government does what Republicans do best: cut taxes, spend like a motherfucker, and borrow the short falls. "Bringing manufacturing jobs back" looks like a cover for doing just that.

    4. And when deficits go further through the roof, the Republicans will just blame Obama.

    5. I bet Trump's imagined wealth that this will in fact happen.

    • 1. Regulations are not created by some evil Liberul cabal in Berkeley that sits around smoking weed and drinking espressos saying, "How can we make business more difficult. Regulations arise because there is at least a few assholes who think, "If it's not illegal, then it's OK!" - even if it causes the deaths of people. So these regulations didn't come out of thin air - somewhere, they are (or were) protecting someone.

      2. Corporate taxes are comparatively excessive in the US - even compared to evil Socialist European tax systems. BUT, any tax cuts means revenues will have to be made up somewhere else and let's give up on the fantasy that lowering taxes boosts the economy enough to wash out the tax cuts.

      3. The stock markets are hoping that the Republican controlled government does what Republicans do best: cut taxes, spend like a motherfucker, and borrow the short falls. "Bringing manufacturing jobs back" looks like a cover for doing just that.

      4. And when deficits go further through the roof, the Republicans will just blame Obama.

      5. I bet Trump's imagined wealth that this will in fact happen.

      1: Plenty of regulations are awful and need to be scrapped. See most things related to the ADA, for example.

      2: Corporations aren't fucking paying ANY taxes because they use loopholes to claim they're headquartered in Ireland or some shit. Lowering the corporate tax rate and tightening those loopholes would be a massive net gain.

      3: Don't pretend you know what the stock market wants. Don't pretend that it's based on reality in any way.

      4: You're assuming deficits will go further through the roof. Even

    • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:20PM (#53350377) Homepage Journal

      Yes, the US has the highest corporate tax RATE. It also has the most generous corporate tax deductions, making it tricky to do an apples-to-apples comparison. For the record the "effective tax rate" -- what corporations actually pay, is around 27.1%, compared to the OECD average of 27.7%.

      On the other hand not all corporations are equal. Companies like Apple can hire the best financial and accounting brains on the planet. The complexity of tax code makes it easier for a company like Apple to evade paying, shifting the tax burden to smaller corporations.

  • Will these incentives specifically state rust belt states? Why exactly would they put these plants there rather than New England or the West Coast? Labor costs? Most of the parts are coming in from Korea, Taiwan, and Japan so wouldn't a West Coast shipping port be better? China only does the assembly.

    While Trump is dreaming up stuff to do, he should try and get all those electronic parts manufactures back here in the US.

  • He is riding a wave of anti-globalization sentiment, he has both houses of congress, Chinese factory wages have risen steadily, and most of you laughing now were probably laughing in the same way on November 7.

    For crying out loud, use your imagination. This is one of the most concrete, attainable, and consistent things he's said.
    • This is one of the most concrete, attainable, and consistent things he's said.

      And I'll believe it's happening when Apple starts building the plants.

      For what it's worth, companies don't build domestic plants if foreign ones are cheaper to utilize. And there aren't enough regulations to remove to make the cost differential work out. Maybe with a tariff on all foreign constructed phones, but you'll need a steep tariff.

      Somehow, I don't think the Donald can get all that done. Especially with half the R's in the

    • This is one of the most concrete, attainable, and consistent things he's said.

      How? I'm genuinely asking. Has Apple showed/communicated anything that supports this affirmation?

    • by Dorianny ( 1847922 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:13PM (#53350315) Journal

      He is riding a wave of anti-globalization sentiment, he has both houses of congress, Chinese factory wages have risen steadily, and most of you laughing now were probably laughing in the same way on November 7. For crying out loud, use your imagination. This is one of the most concrete, attainable, and consistent things he's said.

      Convincing the "Poorly Educated" to vote for you by promising that you will bring Manufacturing back to the U.S is a lot harder then convincing the Highly Educated (CEO's) to actually bring those Manufacturing plants back. For one those CEO's will actually want to see Plans and Details and the Trump campaign lacked either of those

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Well, I see a hitch in this plan: Apple doesn't actually make most of its popular products itself.

      I certainly think it's possible to make a token number of devices here, something with symbolic value. But it's not going to be easy to build up enough domestic capacity to make a significant dent in our imports. For one thing Foxconn has got a lot experience doing this, and that's valuable -- worth actual money which will have to be added tot he cost. Probably the easiest way forward is to get Foxconn to bui

  • by Lisandro ( 799651 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:51PM (#53350139)

    It's yet another Trump hyperbolic promise with no grounds on reality. Has anyone noticed he never elaborates on the how? It is easy to promise the moon and it is, evidently, also easy for most of the population to buy it at face value alone.

    Hell, i can do it as well: I'll talk with Tim Cook myself. And we'll have great, huge, American iPhone factories, with American robots - cause wee don't make anything, but we're going to. Our robots will be tremendous and we'll have 200,000 new factories putting incredibly advanced new iPhones every year. American iPhones to make America Great Again(tm)!

    • Here's the "how": National Security Letter handed directly to Tim Cook. Build your shit here and pay some portion of taxes or take a permanent vacation to Super Gitmo while we force your staff to put backdoors into every iThing made form here on out.

      • Seriously, is that an actual expectation? Because if that ever came close to happening, Apple would just pack its billions in overseas funds and become an European/Asian company.

        • I think a lot of people have a fairly exaggerated view of what the President of the United States can do. Everything I'm reading here suggests there's no implied threat, but rather that Apple will receive vast amounts of taxpayer-funded largess, in the form of big tax breaks. Considering that manufacturing is more and more automated all the time, even if Apple bites, I'm still not exactly clear what benefit any of this will have for the average American worker. None of them would work for the wages that som

  • I'm watching this big flying saucer taking place and wondering if it will become abandoned. I heard Apple does more of its business outside the US, all manufacturing and much of the engineering was offshored. They also have tens of billions in cash reserves so if under too much pressure, it seems they could easily abandoned the US altogether (will that make Microsoft the ***only*** source for typical computer OS?). It seems Trump divert trade and interactions with China (and do more with Russia?). Consideri
  • by thewolfkin ( 2790519 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:53PM (#53350159) Homepage Journal

    I mean, I could sit down and show you regulations that anybody would agree are ridiculous.

    Classic Trumpism. What are these mythical regulations? Name something? give an example? Instead when a reporter wastes their time going over regulations they find the industry pretty on par and then Trump backpedals saying we over exaggerated what he meant and what he said was just a joke. Ugh we have to do FOUR YEARS of this nonsense? He can just say what he wants and no one's going to stop him?

    • Not only that, but forcing companies to build domestically is itself a type of regulation. Or, Trump could give corporations huge tax decreases, they'll pocket the money and then continue business as usual!
    • by MooseTick ( 895855 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:44PM (#53350549) Homepage

      "What are these mythical regulations?"

      They can't dump all that industrial waste into the US waterways anymore like they can in China. That gives them a competitive advantage.

      Also, they have to pay those whiny workers a minimum wage. And meet OSHA requirements. Also, causing them to lose a competitive advantage.

  • *Whoosh* (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Idou ( 572394 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:54PM (#53350161) Journal

    FRIEDMAN: Are you worried, though, that those companies will keep their factories here, but the jobs will be replaced by robots?
    TRUMP: They will, and we'll make the robots, too. [laughter]

    *Whoosh*

    I feel like for the next 4 years America will be used as kind of a learning tool for Trump (a, "Trump University", if you will) to learn very basic economic and government principles. . . poorly. And all it will cost is the well being of an entire nation. . .

  • by acoustix ( 123925 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @04:56PM (#53350175)

    A service based economy cannot survive in the long run. You must create/produce something of value. A service economy will run out of money eventually. Every county must produce for themselves as well as import/export. Finding a healthy balance is difficult.

    The U.S. must also become more competitive on corporate taxes. We need to be smart about allowing both personal and corporate money to flow into the country with minimal tax because that money was already taxed where it was "earned". That allows more investment and spending in the US.

  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:02PM (#53350217) Homepage Journal

    Look, perhaps many of you don't understand how modern factories work, you're stuck on the old concepts of assembly lines with a few robots and a lot of humans.

    A modern factory, for the most part, has robot trucks and forklifts and many robots doing work.

    And very very few humans.

    They operate 24/7/365 in the dark, unheated and uncooled.

    Not a lot of jobs there.

    They are even BUILT by robots for the most part.

    That's what an Apple factory in the US would be. A 2018 plant with very few jobs. Unless you're a robot.

  • ... would incentivize Apple to "build a big plant in the United States, ...

    Incentivize? I don't recognize that as a word except when I'm playing buzzword bingo during a meeting.

    Maybe he "... would provide incentives for Apple to build plants..." ?

    #justsayin'

  • What specific regulations are preventing Apple manufacturing in the USA ? What specifically will be their reduction in tax bill ? Because lacking specifics I'm imagining the regulations that prevent forced labor camps and toxic wastelands, and a tax change that goes from Apple pays something to we all pay apple.
  • by bongey ( 974911 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:17PM (#53350357)

    Tim Cook already said he would build factories here if the corporate tax laws were changed, which is Trump is going to get done with republican congress. Going OMG Trump is getting a little old. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    • Have you seen the link you posted? He's talking about repatriating overseas funds, not factories.

  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2016 @05:27PM (#53350425) Homepage

    Trump is a brilliant improviser. One way to redirect criticism is to accept the criticism, and spin it as though it agreed with you. I actually took a course on collaboration in a corporate environment that talks about this. Their idea was not to use it to spin things though, but to keep people open to ideas. Instead of saying "no, you are wrong because" you say "yes, and..." elaborate on how you will address the problem. Trump takes this to the next level.

    Trump: "I'm going to build a wall"
    The world: "That's ridiculous, that will cost 5 billions of dollars!"
    Trump: "My wall idea is soo ridiculous, it will cost 10 billion dollars!"
    The world: "We can't afford that."
    Trump: "So I'll have somebody else pay for it!"

    Trump: "I'm going to build iPhones in America."
    The world: "That will cost too much."
    Trump: "Yeah! They will cost so much that we will have to construct robots to build the phones!"
    The world: "But if robots build them, that won't employ workers."
    Trump: "My robots will be so awesome that they will cook breakfast for the workers!"

    Sometimes I want him to say "Because I'm Donald Trump, bitch" in the same voice that Dave Chapelle used when he said "'Cuz I'm Rick James, bitch!"

    Irony: One reason you can build iPhones cheaply in China is because Chinese workers don't get the kinds of protections and rights that US workers do. That was part of the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP): to raise the worker protections in China to level the playing field. Trump is doing the opposite. He says regulations will be removed in the US. So instead of raising worker protections for Chinese workers, it sounds like he is going to remove protections from US workers. And ironically, the blue-collar workers voted for this.

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