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New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Other Laptops This Year (macrumors.com) 209

New submitter TheFakeTimCook writes: An article on MacRumors has revealed that Apple's latest MacBook Pro has already outsold all competing laptops this year, according to new data shared by research firm Slice Intelligence: "Slice Intelligence says the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue from online orders during its first five days of availability than the Microsoft Surface Book, ASUS Chromebook Flip, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, and Lenovo Yoga 900, based on e-receipt data from 12,979 online shoppers in the United States. The new MacBook Pro generated over seven times the revenue that the 12-inch MacBook did over its first five days of availability, according to Slice Intelligence. If accurate, that means it took the new MacBook Pro just five days to accumulate 78% of all the revenue generated by the 12-inch MacBook since its April 2015 launch. The data follows Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller's claim the new MacBook Pro had received more online orders than any previous MacBook Pro as of November 2. Apple has also reportedly told its overseas manufacturers to expect strong MacBook Pro shipments to last until at least the end of 2016. Slice Intelligence extracts detailed information from hundreds of millions of aggregated and anonymized e-receipts."
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New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Other Laptops This Year

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  • So maybe... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:49PM (#53252397) Journal

    Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

    Personally I wouldn't want one. Too many VMs, and I want 32GB in my next laptop, but that's some sales, so whodathunkit, I'm not your typical purchaser; and, probably, neither are those who were complaining...

    • Re:So maybe... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by barc0001 ( 173002 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:09PM (#53252585)

      Horseshit. This is textbook manufacturing stats. They literally picked 4 laptops at random as it's "competition", INCLUDING A $350 CHROMEBOOK and said "they sold more than these 4 models who they compete against. They're winning everything!!!1!1!"

      I guess Fiat's winning the worldwide vehicle sales because they've sold more Pandas than Lamborghini has sold Murchilagos and Caterpillar has sold GT011 road graders!

    • Too many VMs, and I want 32GB in my next laptop,

      Look into the Dell M6700. 32 GB, 4 Hard Drives, 17" screen. It's a great mobile workstation.

      I outgrew my Apple Laptops years ago.

    • Re:So maybe... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Gussington ( 4512999 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:53PM (#53252923)

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      And so do Slashdot headline editors. RTFA, it says MBP outsold something else unrelated under a specific set of arbitrary conditions that bear no connection to reality.
      Large laptop purchases are done by corporates directly with their supplier, not through public online channels. These numbers mean nothing.

    • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:04PM (#53253379) Journal

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      Macrumors is making a claim that is not supported by the data they link to. If you click though to the data [slice.com] all these say is that it has generated more revenue that a random selection of four other laptops.

      Given the prices that Apple charges for these things the revenue per laptop is going to be significantly higher than other manufacturers so there is nothing in the data which indicates they have outsold other machines given that the usual interpretation of that is "sold more units". In fact if you look at the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 a quick Google search suggests that the price of this is between $330-$1,000 in Canada compared to the cost of a MacBook Pro which is 5-10 times the price (of course this depends a lot on the configurations sold). Hence, in terms of sales volume, the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 may actually be comparable to the MacBook Pro although it is clearly in an entirely different class given those prices.

      Thus given a cursory inspection of the data it seems that the claim that the MacBook Pro has 'out sold' all other Laptops is completely unfounded. For a start you would need to look at sales volume and then you would need to compare it to laptops similar to the MacBook Pro such as the Dell XPS etc. not the cheapest possible laptops you can find where the low price requires ~5 times or more the sales volume. To support this you'll note the the closest in the data to the MacBook Pro is the Surface Book which is also closest in price.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

        Macrumors is making a claim that is not supported by the data they link to. If you click though to the data [slice.com] all these say is that it has generated more revenue that a random selection of four other laptops. Given the prices that Apple charges for these things the revenue per laptop is going to be significantly higher than other manufacturers so there is nothing in the data which indicates they have outsold other machines given that the usual interpretation of that is "sold more units". In fact if you look at the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 a quick Google search suggests that the price of this is between $330-$1,000 in Canada compared to the cost of a MacBook Pro which is 5-10 times the price (of course this depends a lot on the configurations sold). Hence, in terms of sales volume, the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 may actually be comparable to the MacBook Pro although it is clearly in an entirely different class given those prices. Thus given a cursory inspection of the data it seems that the claim that the MacBook Pro has 'out sold' all other Laptops is completely unfounded. For a start you would need to look at sales volume and then you would need to compare it to laptops similar to the MacBook Pro such as the Dell XPS etc. not the cheapest possible laptops you can find where the low price requires ~5 times or more the sales volume. To support this you'll note the the closest in the data to the MacBook Pro is the Surface Book which is also closest in price.

        Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

        Macrumors is making a claim that is not supported by the data they link to. If you click though to the data [slice.com] all these say is that it has generated more revenue that a random selection of four other laptops. Given the prices that Apple charges for these things the revenue per laptop is going to be significantly higher than other manufacturers so there is nothing in the data which indicates they have outsold other machines given that the usual interpretation of that is "sold more units". In fact if you look at the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 a quick Google search suggests that the price of this is between $330-$1,000 in Canada compared to the cost of a MacBook Pro which is 5-10 times the price (of course this depends a lot on the configurations sold). Hence, in terms of sales volume, the Dell Inspiron 2 in 1 may actually be comparable to the MacBook Pro although it is clearly in an entirely different class given those prices. Thus given a cursory inspection of the data it seems that the claim that the MacBook Pro has 'out sold' all other Laptops is completely unfounded. For a start you would need to look at sales volume and then you would need to compare it to laptops similar to the MacBook Pro such as the Dell XPS etc. not the cheapest possible laptops you can find where the low price requires ~5 times or more the sales volume. To support this you'll note the the closest in the data to the MacBook Pro is the Surface Book which is also closest in price.

        One of the machines compared-with is the new Surface Book, which is DEFINITELY intended as DIRECT competition for the 13" MBP. HOWEVER, When I configured a 13" non-TouchBar MBP (to keep it fair) and the Surface Book with the top i7 CPU (both are Skylake, but the Surface book specs don't specify speed or number of cores), 16 GB RAM, and 1 TB SSD, the MBP was $2599, but the Surface Book was $3199. And the Suface Book has no USB-C, and more importantly, no TB 3 (only MiniDP). IOW, the MBP has 40 Gbps of multif

        • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Thursday November 10, 2016 @09:34AM (#53256713) Journal
          There are is an important point you are missing and in one important aspect your post is factually wrong. This is one machine which is clearly intended as a direct competitor but there are more out there e.g. Dell XPS range which are strangely absent from the comparison. That was my point: so the MBP outsells the Surface Book (but not the new one because that is only out today) what about all the other competitors?

          Your comparison is far from fair. You exclude the touch bar "to keep it fair" while ignoring the fact that the Surface has a touch screen: how is that even vaguely fair? Then you claim that that the 13" MBP has "faster graphics" when it has Intel Iris vs. the Surface's nVidia 965M which is factually wrong. As for the the other features I have never used the TB port on my existing MBP (other than as a miniDP) nor have I any use for USB-C since everything I have is USB-A and a GPU is really important. So for my uses when I compare a MBP to a Surface I'm looking at the 15" model where the cost rockets up to over $4k with the 1TB SSD and over $5k with the 2TB which is insane for a laptop with an old CPU and GPU. While the Surface is similarly expensive it has features I value far more: long battery life, touch screen, USB-A ports and tablet mode. However really I am waiting for the XPS 15 to get a refresh to Kaby Lake and hopefully a 10-series nVidia GPU and then, while I'll miss OS X, it's goodbye Apple.

          Obviously the price difference depends on what you need the device for if USB-C an TB3 are important for you great - go get a new MBP. However no matter how you spin it there is no way you can claim that the MBP fulfills a similar market niche to the Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, a Chromebook or the cheap Lenovo model they were also comparing it against. The data do suggest it outsells the Surface but I suspect the real competitors are the Dell XPS series and the equivalent ranges from the other manufacturers.
          • by Maxwell ( 13985 )
            Due to no apps the touch screen on the SP/SB line is nearly. I have the pen, and it's still mostly useless. The pen costs extra, BTW. If I really wanted I guess I could buy a $600 touchscreen monitor and call it even. But why? I would trade touchscreen on my SP3 for a better mousepad in a heart beat - something like in the new MBP would be great.
    • Re:So maybe... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @10:19PM (#53253463)

      Apple *do* know their target markets after all!

      There is a large market for people who wanted a faster and better macbook air. The air was overdue for an update and apple hit the mark with it. The macbook pro 2016 is a great successor to the macbook air for people with a bunch of money who wanted a faster macbook pair.

      The "problem" is that this left a complete vacuum in the product line for people who actually wanted a macbook pro.

      To make a car analogy,... if Ford releases a sexy new F-150... exept it's a car, and it's basically just a nicer faster Mustang.... then it could sell really well to people who own Mustangs and wanted something faster and better. That doesn't make it a bad product, and it'll sell well etc.

      But for people who were buying F-150s because they needed a pickup truck, well their left going WTF. Especially, because, to make the anology complete the F150 in this scenario happens to be the ONLY truck ford made. So its not like truck customers could move into the F250 or something. The F150 is now a car. If you needed a truck... well fuck you.

      And THAT is the new macbook "pro"... its a fine laptop on its own, its a nice upgrade from the macbook air... but its a useless joke if you are looking for a pro laptop.

      • by Yvan256 ( 722131 )

        I can't wait to see the A10-powered Mac mini Air!

        • by e r ( 2847683 )

          I can't wait to see the A10-powered Mac mini Air!

          I don't think a GAU-8/A will fit on my lap... But it might fit on your mother's.

      • by Rukia ( 1306257 )
        I think this is a great insight and a problem with many products. They use an iconic brand to sell a similar but lesser, cheaper to make product at a premium.
  • by mfarah ( 231411 ) <miguelNO@SPAMfarah.cl> on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @07:51PM (#53252419) Homepage

    So these new MacBook Pro are outselling their competition... Lenovo's Yoga 900, not Lenovo's Thinkpad [T/X/P], etcetera. So the new MacBook Pro are effectively the new Macbook AIR line, only with a misleading name.

    Sod off, Apple.

  • Out sold? (Score:5, Informative)

    by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:00PM (#53252517)

    "New MacBook Pro Has Already Outsold All Other Laptops This Year " (TFS and TFA title)

    ... the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue ...

    Perhaps we differ on the meaning of the phrase "out sold". I take it to mean "number of units" not total revenue. By the latter standard, my house has out sold all new MacBook Pro's this year -- okay, maybe not *my* house, but someone's house ...

    • Re:Out sold? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by barc0001 ( 173002 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:18PM (#53252655)

      And not to mention this is apples to pineapples and bananas and peaches. They're saying the "competiton" for the new Macbook Pro is:

      - Microsoft's white elephant Surface Book which is super spiffy and if I ever won the lottery I'm sure I'd buy one, but not before then
      - A $350 Chromebook
      - A Dell 2 in 1 that is a "budget enthusiast" class laptop with a $700 price
      - The Lenovo Yoga 900 which is probably the closest competition of the 4 to the MacBook Pro but still not quite in the same class.

      If they're counting revenue, the only one that costs more than the Macbook is the Surface Book that everyone admires but agrees is way too costly. The others are selling sub $1000 and on razor thin profit margins, especially for the Chromebook.

      The whole article is bullshit fanboyism torturing stats to make them say something positive.

  • FTFY: It has outsold other Ultrabooks.
  • by fubarrr ( 884157 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @08:34PM (#53252789)

    I know how they pull these digits:

    They count in wholesale orders, even ones that are done for fulfillment in 6 months time and more.

    Are they lying? No. Are they geniune with digits? No No No.

  • Are terrible people to design mass market products.

    There is a reason why most cars are not brown, diesel, station wagons with manual transmissions.

  • If Apple is really doing that great why were Apple Employees told during appraisals weare not doing well and given miserable pay revisions and also told to cut budgets and reduce contractor spend by 20% with no employee backfill

    • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
      You seem to think that Apple would need to be somehow doing poorly in order to short-change staff. Why would that be? Margin is margin and employees suck profit out of the bottom line.
  • by Osgeld ( 1900440 ) on Wednesday November 09, 2016 @09:14PM (#53253063)

    I remember a few years ago a co-worker went to art school, told him he HAD to buy a macbook pro for the class, hearing of this I asked what he was running on it.... photoshop

    A current co worker still lugs around his old book pro with a failed battery, I asked why, it does what I want for personal stuff, ok fair enough. Why did you choose it in the first place? It was a requirement for my college.

    now how many other schools require their students to buy only mac, with the 30 year old notion that mac's are better at graphics and or music or whatever else, just so they can run software that will easily run any other laptop?

    • now how many other schools require their students to buy only mac, with the 30 year old notion that mac's are better at graphics and or music or whatever else, just so they can run software that will easily run any other laptop?

      I'd like to turn this around. How many colleges require their students to buy a Windows computer with the 30 year old notion that Apple makes only "toys" and to do "real work" you need to run Windows?

      I've recently enrolled in college to update my skills after having graduated many years ago. In my classes so far I don't recall ever being told what kind of computer I should get. In the class notes I will usually see how to run whatever software we are using on Windows and Linux, with the Mac users often l

      • by Osgeld ( 1900440 )

        then why do you care that the students buy what the instructor recommends for the class?

        I believe I know why the instructors require their students to use a particular kind of computer, the answer is because it makes their job easier. If a student is stuck on something and has a question and the student is using a system that the instructor is not familiar with then the instructor cannot help.

        I remember when I was in school, and working at the same time, I would not be able to afford a macbook pro, and requiring such an expensive machine seems counterproductive.

        Besides the instructor should not be providing basic computer operation support and hand holding when your using specific software.

        • I remember when I was in school, and working at the same time, I would not be able to afford a macbook pro, and requiring such an expensive machine seems counterproductive.

          I've taken classes where the textbook costs a lot of money, sometimes an order of magnitude more than textbooks for other classes. Are you going to tell the instructor to require a cheaper textbook because it is "counterproductive"?

          It sucks when an instructor requires expensive supplies for a course. If you don't like it then find a different instructor, a different course, or a different school. If you believe the instructor is an idiot for requiring a Mac to take the course then feel free to tell the i

      • by Maritz ( 1829006 )

        If this particular class is one in which literally any OS can be used, you'd expect in and around 3% of users to be on OSX. I think it might be a tad unreasonable to expect the instructor to know the ins and outs of getting a particular product running on OSX if less than one in 25 students is likely to be using it.

        I was taking this [netmarketshare.com] as a rough guide.

  • Well, of course the MacBoook Pro "outsold" all other laptops this year... it's the only line of laptops with MacOS that was updated after an extremely long time, versus a huge number of options that are constantly being updated with Windows 7,8,10 or any flavor of Linux. It'll obviously outsell any other single brand as long as it keeps it's ecosystem enclosed into a walled garden giving anything from a single option to a handful for desperate users needing an upgrade.

    Wanna get a new Windows 10 laptop? Well

  • The MacRumors article is based on another article from Slice Intelligence. Gotta like this finding:

    "Those who ordered the new MacBook Pro look strikingly similar to the early adopters who bought the Apple Watch on release."

    So how is the Apple Watch fairing these days?

  • That's all?

    What kind of stupid article is this and why is it here. In the whole of 2016?

  • So the demand will be big for 2 more months?

  • There have been many more PC laptops shipped then all Apple laptops combined. It's a bit of an Apples to oranges comparison (heh) because Apple's platform only carries a few device models, while the PC platform carries hundreds of models from dozens of vendors.

    • by Maritz ( 1829006 )
      This isn't even counting units shipped, but revenue. Against a $350 chromebook and a $700 dell low-end laptop. Talk about picking your fights... lol.
  • Blah blah blah apple fans, shiny... Or maybe some people were just angry enough with Windows 10 to switch.

    Honestly, I'm not sure how non-tech people deal with it. Actually, I do, they buy Macs.
  • I'll say that again: crap article, stupid statistics, idiotic conclusions. "And that's all I've got to say about that."
  • illness with most victims in 2016.

  • All I want to know is, what are Razer's year on year sales figures doing? Apple has already peaked their share price. Razer seems to be making nice tech and is an up and comer. I want to see what they're doing.
  • ...that the reason she would consider buying a new MacBook (even though she won't due to $$) is because of the latest OS release not being supported on her current MacBook hardware. Like many other things in technology, persuasion through defiance of desire combined with uncertainty of safety (updates generally help with that.....generally) wins some sales. I haven't seen the actual numbers, but I would assume that number is greater than the number of users it convinced to switch platforms. Sort of a "du

  • Slice Intelligence says the new MacBook Pro accumulated more revenue SO FAR, from online orders during its first five days of availability than the Microsoft Surface Book, ASUS Chromebook Flip, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1, and Lenovo Yoga 900, based on e-receipt data from 12,979 online shoppers in the United States.

    If I sell apples and oranges by the street for 8 hours, and I sell 10 apples and 8 oranges in the first 5 minutes, it does not indicate that apples are the winner.

    I'm [slice.com] SURE [slice.com] they [slice.com] don't [slice.com] have [slice.com] any relationship whatsoever [slice.com].

    I'm gonna look up "Slice Intelligence" and see where they're headquartered and if they have any satellite locations. Ah. Here ya go, and BTW, San Mateo, CA and Cupertino, CA are about 50 miles apart:

    PALO ALTO OFFICE
    Slice
    800 Concar Drive, Floor 5
    San Mateo, CA 94402

    MEDIA
    jaimee@slice.com
    +1 206

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