Apple To Make macOS Sierra Available As Automatic Download Beginning Today (loopinsight.com) 132
Remember how Microsoft was pushing Windows 10 updates to your computers? That surely made a lot of people furious. Today, Apple told The Loop that it will also begin automatic download of its latest desktop operating system update, macOS Sierra on Macs that are compatible with the new software -- provided, automatic downloads are switched on and the Mac has enough storage space. From the report: t's important to note that this is not an automatic installer -- this process will only download the update in the background, and then alert you that it is available to install. You can choose to install it when its convenient. You can also choose to ignore the update. [...] Of course, you can manually delete the download if you don't wish to upgrade, and you can choose to manually download the update from the App Store at any time.
GPGTools does not yet work with Sierra (Score:3, Informative)
An announcement on the front page of GPGTools.org: "IMPORTANT: GPGMail, our plugin for securing emails using GPG in Mail.app is not yet compatible with macOS Sierra. If you rely on GPGMail, please refrain from updating to macOS Sierra for the time being!" This is kind of important to me, so...
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An announcement on the front page of GPGTools.org: "IMPORTANT: GPGMail, our plugin for securing emails using GPG in Mail.app is not yet compatible with macOS Sierra. If you rely on GPGMail, please refrain from updating to macOS Sierra for the time being!" This is kind of important to me, so...
Thank you for providing one of the few useful comments to this article.
How is this similar to Windows 10? (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 10 update was a "Recommended Update" and not an optional one.
Windows 10 changed the dialog box so that users had to specifically opt out of installing Windows 10.
Windows 10 installed itself without warning.
MacOS Sierra downloads if "Automatic Downloads" is enabled.
Does not install automatically
Users can ignore the download and not install
Having worked with OS X machines, this behavior isn't new. As I remember that as far back as Mavericks that it downloaded only if Automatic Downloads was enabled. And it asked for permission to install. Before that, the new OS X showed up as a notification and that you had to run Apple Update to get it.
Re:How is this similar to Windows 10? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Most of the haters here don't actually own a Mac to actually understand ...
No, but they tried a Mac out for all of three minutes at their local Best Buy store and that makes them experts.
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No, but they tried a Mac out for all of three minutes at their local Best Buy store and that makes them experts.
this is precisely why many people buy macs, in three minutes you have it all figured out and you can get to work.
I used to work for a Telco and one of my tasks was to mind the systems in the call centre. The women who worked there liked Mac users for the simple reason that they could resolve their problem pretty quickly. Nothing was more than three or four clicks away. With Windows you always had to lead the user through 10-15 click odyssey to get to whatever configuration menu you were interested in and often the customer would often get lost along the way. Once that happened, and after letting out a deep frustrated
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10 to 15 clicks? If your job required user support for Windows you probably should have did a little training yourself.
I think you have some reading comprehension problems. The poster said that the user would get lost through 10-15 clicks of instruction meaning nothing was wrong with his training.
With Windows you always had to lead the user through 10-15 click odyssey to get to whatever configuration menu you were interested in and often the customer would often get lost along the way.
Re:How is this similar to Windows 10? (Score:5, Informative)
I remember how astonished a friend of mine was when he ordered his brand new 2009 iMac and it had absolutely no adware whatsoever. He was blown away that there weren't 150 demo and trial softwares along with all the nag banners and bullshit you get with your typical windows box. He recently installed an SSD drive because the original HD was starting to make the death click noise and he says it's like he got a brand new computer. It seems faster than his wife's new windows laptop he says.
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MacOS still comes with iTunes, right?
Also, comparing a random Windows laptop to a random iMac is kind of stupid.
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My and a friend played CS:GO yesterday. (Score:2)
20:12 / 20:02 his Windows machine had told him it would reboot itself for an update.
The time passed and he mentioned how it hadn't restarted for that and I told him that maybe it didn't do that if one was playing a game. .. but surely enough Windows like the idiotic authoritarian knows better shit-product it is rebooted his machine and he was gone from the team. We won 16-14 and he got a two hours ban from leaving the game.
I assume one can block that behavior with enough leet / admin / group setting skills
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If you know the mystery of the registry you can have some control. Without that you're at the mercy of the computer.
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Seem like maybe launching Task scheduler and going to Task Scheduler Library > Microsoft & gt; Windows & gt; UpdateOrchestrator and then right click Reboot and choose Disable may do the trick. ... and if Microsoft ever tries to get it back again go to C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator rename Reboot to Reboot.bak and make a folder called Reboot so no new Reboot file can be made ..
http://winaero.com/blog/how-to... [winaero.com]
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How do I delete the download? I got the alert about installing it this morning, then only saw this news this evening, so it may have already downloaded and I want to clear this out before it gets backed up onto my time machine.
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what a load. (Score:3, Interesting)
Remember how Microsoft was pushing Windows 10 updates to your computers? That surely made a lot of people furious.
of course... but what does that have to do with the macOS update that you can choose to ignore? surely you aren't baiting me or conflating clearly different approaches to a situation, right?
you know what does make a lot of people furious, bullshit summaries that try to bait people, exactly like this summary.
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Why would you ever want to turn off point releases, though? Those are all small patches, and almost never make major changes to the user experience or severely break your apps. Automatically downloading a major release is a completely different matter....
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What I really miss about macOS is the concept of a cellular connection. I've never understood why iPads have a cellular option, but Macs don't. Now using the iPhone as a hotspot is very easy but even then, why doesn't the Mac have a data-saving feature of some sorts?
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Remember how Microsoft Blah? (Score:3, Funny)
No, I do not remember, because I'm a Mac user.
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Damn, that was rude. Funny though.
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It must be very difficult for you dealing with the Mac's inflated price, non-upgradable components soldered to the motherboard, a software selection that is rather limited, and much more.
No, it's not difficult, because I'm an employed Mac user.
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And don't forget that Macs are comparably priced to other major manufacturer's hardware, the MacBook Pro 15 ships with plenty (16GB) of RAM, there is more software for the Mac than for ANY other platform (Runs all Mac software, runs most UNIX software, and can run all Windoze software through a VM if you want), and much, much more good stuff.
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SMB Support? (Score:2)
Compatible and not better than Apple's current (Score:2)
I had to trick Apple into upgrading to 10.12 on a 2009 Mac Pro, it seems they don't want to support old machines that leave all their current offerings in the dust. The OS still supports it of course, since a 2009 is internally identical to a supported 2010, so you can force the upgrade anyway and have a "working" system (at least as far as OS X/macOS ever works, which is barely)
Why won't Sierra work on 2008 Mac Pro? (Score:2)
I have 32gb RAM and 2x 2.8ghz Xeons, but my 2008 Mac Pro won't run Sierra. Why the hell not?
Very misleading article (Score:1)
Re:Please file a bug report (Score:5, Informative)
You can COMPLETELY disable that behavior by simply loading the App Store preferences, and unchecking:
"Automatically check for updates".
Bango, presto, shazam - NO MORE AUTOMATIC UPDATES.
Jesus christ, are you really this thick?
Re:Please file a bug report (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, it disables all automatic application updates and alerting, because that is what the OP was bitching about.
If you want to customize it more, then you enable "automatically check for updates," and select any combination of the four options provided:
1) Download newly available updates in the background (You will be notified when updates are ready to install);
2) Install app updates;
3) Install OS X updates;
4) Install system data files and security updates;
You can turn on automatic checks, and disable all FOUR of those things, meaning you'll just receive alerts, and can pick and choose what to install; OR, you can opt to enable any combination of those features as you prefer.
So no, you're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, unless you choose to. Enabling the alerts is required - which seems sensible, given that you're asking the computer to automatically check for updates, and it's hard to know there's anything to do without enabling alerts. Beyond that, you don't have to download or install ANYTHING you don't want to.
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The problem is that this granularity still isn't sufficient. There's a big difference between downloading a SU and downloading a major OS release. Most people do want to automatically download minor SUs that are typically binary diffs against the previous release (i.e. tens of megabytes). Lots of folks do not want to automatically download major OS releases that are measured in gigabytes.
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SU stands for software update, not security update, and refers to point release updates, e.g. 10.12 -> 10.12.1. They almost certainly aren't included in that bucket, or if they are, then it is very poorly named.
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SU was in my original comment that you replied to when you incorrectly claimed that there was an option to install SUs without installing major updates.
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Interesting that you picked VMWare Fusion, because 8.5 is a free update...
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Where is the "alert me but don't download/install" option?
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There is no important reason to automatically download updates. You're basically throwing out the dirt with the bathwater.
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... and then you lose out on security updates, forcing you to manually check?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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You don't have to manually check.. You'll get a notification telling you that updates are available and asking whether or not you want to install it.
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Yeah even iTunes will do that on windows...no matter how I try disabling that crap
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I am thinking Apple hasn't been paying its media extortion money lately, there's been a lot of nonsense like this.
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By how simple you are you must be a windoze user.
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oooooh! Well actually I haven't dragged the old A3000 out in almost 10 years. I do still have it, an A1200, A500 and a Commodore 64. I enjoyed them all immensely since purchasing the C64 back in 1983. I did pull the 64 out briefly a few years ago to get a recipe off a disk I had stored. Over 20 years old that 5.25" floppy but it still worked. Now I mostly use Linux or a Mac although we have Win7 on the computers at work. Nice to see someone on here remembers Amiga users well enough to insult them!
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Re: Please file a bug report (Score:3)
Automatically check and automatically download are two separate settings.
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No matter who does this, or why, fuck you. If i want a major upgrade of my OS, i'll ask for it.
Bill Yourself for that (Score:2, Troll)
"Normal" updates I would normally accept to have, because they're typically small (
Then why would you have turned on automatic updates again?
Remember that is a setting that YOU YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN HANDS have to enable. If I cared specifically about bandwidth I would not have that enabled... even if the general expectation was somewhat low numbers you never know as over time apps may update often which would mean a lot of downloads.
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What is so difficult about clicking "update"??? (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, because we should all make it as hard as possible to get security updates
Turning on automatic updates *doesn't install them either* you numskull, they would just be downloaded... what is so hard about downloading them when you see them? Until you are living in a hut in Alaska and you only go into town once a week for the internet, that should not be an issue or delay you from updating in any way whatsoever.
This whole article is just the most absurd thing to complain about I have ever seen.
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I'm not the AC above, but I'm in a similar situation. I'm paying almost $100Cdn/month for 75GB from a satellite connection. It is my only choice for fixed internet in a rural area of western Canada. I'm six miles from a DSL connection.
I do intend just to turn off automatic updates on my older iMac, though, so not too concerned.
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Then TURN OFF AUTOMATIC UPDATES YOU MORON.
What is so hard to understand about that concept? If unlike most people who will use the computer you need to worry about a data cap, then TURN OFF AUTOMATIC UPDATES.
What is so difficult for you to grasp here? Really not seeing why you have a data cap and are not TURNING OFF AUTOMATIC UPDATES.
But then it begs the question, why the hell did you ever turn them on because THAT IS NOT THE DEFAULT.
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This change (which personally I think is a bit dumb.. but not a huge deal as people seem to want to make it) won't install the update... so I'm not sure how you're thinking adoption numbers will be inflated.
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Security updates are enabled by a separate checkbox.
You don't get this as a security update. You get it as an OS update.
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Or you can just turn off automatic updates. Don't be a drama queen.
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At least you can upgrade your Mac. Microsoft pushed out the Windows 10 Anniversary Update over the weekend and it wouldn't install because the installer thinks my SSD was a USB memory stick.
I miss my Mac. *sigh*
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Well why did you do a damn fool thing like buy a piece of shit Windoze machine then?
I mean, I've been an Apple guy since 1982, there was never any reason to use that garbage except to remind yourself how bad it is.
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Well why did you do a damn fool thing like buy a piece of shit Windoze machine then?
My 2006 Black MacBook died after eight years. I shifted everything over to my gaming PC for a while, and then over to a $250 Dell laptop. I haven't found a worthy successor to my MacBook yet. I don't find Apple's Quest for Thinness to be appealing.
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I'm running a 2011 15" non-Retina MBP as my primary laptop, it's a really good machine. The 2012s are great too. The black MB was a great machine, I had one years ago, but the pre-Retina Pros are even better.
You can sometimes luck into one for pretty cheap.
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Upgrade your MacBook now for 25% less battery life and a slower overall experience!
Maybe for you. I haven't noticed any difference at all. Honestly aside from the shared clipboard between my Mac and my phone (which is very cool) I barely even notice any differences at all.
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Shared clipboard?
So everytime you copy something, it's uploaded to iCloud?
Re:Upgrade now for 25% less battery life! (Score:4, Informative)
So everytime you copy something, it's uploaded to iCloud?
No, it's only shared locally with devices that are on the same LAN, and logged in to the same user account. Also, it's encrypted before transmission.
Re: Upgrade now for 25% less battery life! (Score:1)
I love how these dimwits constantly assume that Apple is bad at security, even after they were willing to go to court for it against the FBI. Laughable. Apple is the only company provably adequate at security.
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exactly, and most reports are that they saw no performance change and no battery life change.