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Patent Troll VirnetX Wants To Ban FaceTime and iMessage, Increase Damages Award By $190M (9to5mac.com) 94

An anonymous reader writes: Earlier this year, patent troll VirnetX won a court battle with Apple to the tune of $625 million. Now, the company wants to increase the damages award by $190 million. Law360 reports: "At a post-trial hearing Wednesday, Texas technology company VirnetX argued that although an injunction blocking Apple's popular video chatting and messaging features, along with a virtual private network on demand feature, may seem like a harsh remedy, it is necessary because of the irreparable harm Apple's infringement caused the company. VirnetX also asked the court to increase the jury's damages award by at least $190 million, arguing that Apple has been the 'poster child' for unreasonable litigation tactics." VirnetX also wants the court to block FaceTime and iMessage entirely. "Meanwhile, Apple argued that in light of U.S. Patent and Trademark Office decisions rejecting the four patents-in-suit, an injunction would be inappropriate, as would any ongoing royalty based on FaceTime, iMessage and virtual private network on demand features. The tech giant also sought a mistrial based on a purportedly inappropriate argument to the jury and argued that the company is entitled to a judgment of non infringement, despite the jury verdict, based on VirnetX's allegedly insufficient evidence," reports Law360.
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Patent Troll VirnetX Wants To Ban FaceTime and iMessage, Increase Damages Award By $190M

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  • Good Grief... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Frosty Piss ( 770223 ) * on Thursday May 26, 2016 @10:30PM (#52192685)

    When are legitimate IP and patent holders going to band together and take out the courts in Texas? Sure, we all have different ideas about "Intellectual Property" and patents, but this has to stop. The courts in Texas are a money making enterprise that should be taken down with the RICO Act. It's a State of Texas sponsored SCAM. The "big players" like Apple and Microsoft (I know, I know...) need to "pony up" and kill this shit off.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It's not a state of Texas issue as virtually all of these cases are lodged in the Eastern District of Texas, a federal court, where the judges are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The trolls establish domicile in Texas so they can claim in this court, which is seen as friendlier to patent trolls. Not sure what you mean by taking out a court, especially when the issue is the patent legislation in the first place.

      • Not sure what you mean by taking out a court

        Nuke from orbit?

      • Spot on. I actually looked through the statistics back in 2013 or so after hearing so many people talk about the district. What I found was that aside from a one-year blip in the mid-2000s (which was entirely due to a particular judge who is no longer sitting), the Texas East District has never again been at the top spot of the rankings for federal districts that are friendliest to NPEs (non-practicing entities, i.e. patent trolls). As I recall, it was typically ranked #3 or #4 behind districts located in F

    • When are legitimate IP and patent holders going to band together and take out the courts in Texas?

      Apropos of nothing, how does one go about "taking out" a federal court?

      Just curious...

      • We are also curious and would love an answer.

        Sincerely,

        The FBI

    • It's a federal court, dumbass. The State of Texas has nothing to do with it and couldn't influence events if it tried.
    • It is in Texas but the courts in question are Federal Courts, not State courts. So Texas is not sponsoring any Scam. Why that circuit is so friendly to the trolls is a valid question. But it's not Texas that runs those courts.
    • When are legitimate IP and patent holders going to band together and take out the courts in Texas?

      The answer to this is, unfortunately, "never". Lawyers make up the majority of state and federal legislatures. Lawyers and judges don't think the system is broken. In fact, they think it's working quite well, thank you. My best friend is a lawyer and he's taught me a lot about the law. One of the things he has also taught me is that lawyers don't think anything in the legal system is broken or needs fixing anywhere. Their response to literally every issue is to just sue over it.

  • With a patent system like this, who needs terrorists to attack you?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume VirnetX is a pure patent troll and doesn't produce anything.

    So, how can they be damaged if they don't produce anything?

    • Well, unfortunately, we have another case of Microsoft putting the screws to everyone else by licensing this bullshit. Now VirnetX can show damages due to lost licensing revenue.

      I'm absolutely sure that wasn't a strategic move on Microsoft's part, either; they've absolutely never done anything like that in the past.

  • Is there any outcome here where both parties get sent to jail? Cause that's the one I'm rooting for.

  • They want to shut down Apple's services. Fine - but what competing products did Apple shutout of the market that will now be able to bounce back and increase market share?

    If they desire to take away something - what is the replacement? If this is an NPE - they have no product. So Apple pays the patent tax - is granted a license - and we all move on.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      They don't want to replace it.

      VirnetX works for the intelligence community. They don't like Apple's end-to-end encryption because it makes life harder for them.

      Originally, this patent dispute arose over encryption and decentralization: iChat/FaceTime, like Skype. made direct connections between computers, which cut out the middleman relay server which also cut out an easy logging point. Microsoft bought Skype and immediately eliminated direct connections; Apple continued to make direct connections until V

  • by coofercat ( 719737 ) on Friday May 27, 2016 @08:32AM (#52194419) Homepage Journal

    My VirnetX phone has literally been useless since Apple put Facetime on their phones. I haven't had a single video call since that day. I was gonna switch to an Apple or maybe an Android, but now I'm sure VirnetX will re-start development of an upgrade phone and I'll be back on easy streets once again.

  • Gee, thanks Constitution.

    Perhaps an idea about technology from 1789 no longer has value.

There is no opinion so absurd that some philosopher will not express it. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, "Ad familiares"

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