That Awkward Moment When 'Apple Mocked Good Hardware and Poor People' (dailydot.com) 551
An anonymous reader quotes a DailyDot article: Phil Schiller, Apple's Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing, took the stage in Cupertino, California, earlier this week to explain some of the new features and specs on the new iPad Pro. Between showing off a new display and camera, Schiller also took some digs at Windows and PC users, specifically calling out those users who are on computers more than five years old. Schiller said that 600 million people are using PCs that are over five years old. 'This is really sad,' he said.
C. Custer, reporter for Tech in Asia also didn't like Schiller's remarks. He writes: If Apple's really targeting those 600 million old PC users, it seems to have done a pretty poor job. It's been more than five years since I saw the need to upgrade my primary computer, and nothing about the iPad Pro presentation made me rethink my position at all. But of course, Apple isn't really targeting those people. That was mostly just a cheap shot, a jibe at all of us poor fools who haven't yet seen the light. That's why the audience laughed knowingly, and even applauded. "Using the same machine for five years? How barbaric! Thank god we live in civilized society, where everyone throws their gadgets out and buys new ones every two years."
C. Custer, reporter for Tech in Asia also didn't like Schiller's remarks. He writes: If Apple's really targeting those 600 million old PC users, it seems to have done a pretty poor job. It's been more than five years since I saw the need to upgrade my primary computer, and nothing about the iPad Pro presentation made me rethink my position at all. But of course, Apple isn't really targeting those people. That was mostly just a cheap shot, a jibe at all of us poor fools who haven't yet seen the light. That's why the audience laughed knowingly, and even applauded. "Using the same machine for five years? How barbaric! Thank god we live in civilized society, where everyone throws their gadgets out and buys new ones every two years."
Meanwhile... (Score:5, Interesting)
...The coworker sitting next to me us using a 5.5 year old macbook pro and defending it as "still as good as anything new."
What a barbarian.
Re:Meanwhile... (Score:4, Interesting)
My last Mac is 10 years old now. MacBook Pro Core 2 Duel. I still use it to watch some stuff on iTunes with it.
My Current laptop a ThinkPad is approaching 5 years now. Compared to the new tech, it still is very fast and I have no needs for an upgrade.
Re:Meanwhile... (Score:5, Funny)
So do the cores battle each other to see which one is better? Or how does that work?
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They joust prior to executing each instruction.
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Does this exchange start with a civilized white-glove-slapping? I'd expect nothing but the highest quality challenges to get issued.
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Re:Meanwhile... (Score:5, Funny)
Someone ALWAYS has to bring race into the conversation! ; )
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My Current laptop a ThinkPad is approaching 5 years now.
Snap! Mine's a W510. Actually, it might be older than 5 years. Well, I say laptop, I use it as a portable desktop which I take home once every few weeks or so.
It's acceptably fast, not a speed demon nor a slacker. A very few things could be faster, but I don't bump into them often enough to upgrade. It also holds desktop sized SSDs and has 16G RAM so it's fine for just about everything I do.
My eee900 is even older. 8 years, I think, though gmail is getting almost unusable though in the web client (50% speed, 50% screen space). Proper clients still work fine and trolling^Wbrowsing on slashdot is fine too.
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Mine's a W510. ... and has 16G RAM
Awesome -- I have the same laptop. Haven't put a SSD in there yet -- when I need to breathe new life into it I guess I should do that...
Re:Meanwhile... (Score:4, Interesting)
Awesome -- I have the same laptop. Haven't put a SSD in there yet -- when I need to breathe new life into it I guess I should do that...
Mine came with an SSD in the primary drive bay. However, my DVD drive died, so I bought an SSD adapter for the drive bay and shoved a half terabyte Samsung drive in there. The adapters are passive since the DVD drive is SATA based. So, you can double up.
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My eee 701 (yeah, an original Surf, eat that one Chromebooks!) is still perfectly serviceable with an SD card for storage. It's just too small of a screen and keyboard for me to want to use on a regular basis. My primary laptop is a 7 year old Asus laptop that I decided to replace the screen on instead of replacing the whole laptop because it's plenty fast for what I use it for, the battery is still in good shape, and I don't want Windows 10.
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I use an Intel 4004, with an RS232 port for input, and a blinking LED for output. I power it with a lead acid battery, using a zener diode to step down the voltage. I works as well as the day I bought it back in 1971.
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I've never seen a desktop SSD other than 2.5". They always need drive bay adapters. The laptop sized ones usually seem to be mini-PCIe or mini-SATA and are just an unadorned circuit board.
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Re:Meanwhile... (Score:4, Interesting)
When we looked at upgrading our hardware last autumn (most of our systems are Dell Vostros with 2 or 3gb of RAM bought in 2009 and had Windows Vista Pro), we decided that there was nothing new hardware could offer most of the staff. All but a few staff are basically running a browser and Office 2010, which these older systems run quite well. While I'm no fan of Windows 10, at the end of the day, it just seemed a better investment to buy Windows 10 licenses, upgrade the forty or so workstations we have, and factor attrition through hardware failure into the equipment budget. Yes, there's a bit of a gamble, in that we could have twenty of these seven year old computers crap out in one year, but we have a few spares and don't view it as a significant risk.
Save for certain applications (mainly graphics intensive or calculation intensive applications), PCs really peaked in the last decade, and the gains to be had to updating to the newest hardware isn't likely even be noticed by most users. The chief reason to even upgrade the operating system is because Vista's EOL is approaching, and it is getting rather long in the tooth (Chrome support will be pulled soon).
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I have nothing against the poor or struggling out there,
Re: Seven Years... (Score:3, Insightful)
What does "socially responsible" purchasing mean and look like???
If you have to ask...
Re: Seven Years... (Score:4, Informative)
The idea, I think, is to buy things in a way that doesn't cause social harm, such as by using minerals mined by child slave labor in unsafe conditions. I think we can all agree that enslaving children and forcing them to work in mines under conditions that are likely to kill them is undesirable, and as this does happen in some places, we don't want to encourage the slavers by giving them more money.
The big problem I have with it in practice is that there's no good way to see what effects your purchase has. The "socially responsible" purchaser will be told various things about what bad things go into X, which may be true, may be random unfounded rumor, or may be spread by people hostile to those who sell X. It's possible to misinterpret things, such as assuming things are produced by coercion and exploitation when the jobs doing it may be considered good to have by the people doing it. It often comes down to someone getting a bee in their bonnet about one cause and ignoring others, or assuming that, instead of buying that new MacBook Air, you would donate that money to some charitable cause.
I'd like to see things like the mining mentioned above policed by the international community, meaning that I'd have some assurance I wasn't contributing to the child slave trade (nothing's going to be perfect), and could get stuff made by people in generally humane conditions.
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I bet a 5-year old PC would still play games a lot better than any Macbook.
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...The coworker sitting next to me us using a 5.5 year old macbook pro and defending it as "still as good as anything new."
What a barbarian.
Would make sense if it was a Mac Pro, a 5 year old Mac Pro is literally better than anything currently available from Apple.
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What a barbarian.
What a sad barbarian. If he bought a brand new Apple(tm) MacBook(r) he'd be a happy barbarian.
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Going from a small desktop computer with a 2.5GHz CPU where you can upgrade the RAM to one where the CPU is only 1.4GHZ and the RAM is soldered on-board and you can't upgrade later on making the computer more expensive at the time of purchase since Apple asks for insane prices for the RAM. That's the new kind of Apple improvement.
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My 6 year old macbook pro is arguably better than anything new. It has a 17" display. Apparently hipsters have some sort of size phobia, I'm not sure if its a rape trigger, or just a micro-aggression, but it offers plenty of pixels and enough room to see them all. With an SSD and an i7 it's plenty fast enough for medium games and all desktop work.
I guess I understood Schiller's comment to be mostly about "market size", and directed towards investors, who I think are the actual primary target of the iPhone S
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I set up a 15 year old PC with gentoo as a basic internet machine for my parent's kitchen, and aside from the general web bloat over the last 3 or so years, they are happy with it, and I am happy with it. The value for money in a traditional PC was and remains superb.
Meanwhile my ~4 year old laptop is grinding to a halt for daily general use. I've been forced to turn off javascript to even get websites to load nowadays. It's the same with tablets. I have never seen computers become so obsolete quite so quic
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My father has a Quadra 610, one of the last true Macs with a Motorola 68k processor.
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My father has a Quadra 610, one of the last true Macs with a Motorola 68k processor.
Hope he's running System 7! It all began to go downhill with OS 8...
The Quiet Classism of The Gadgeteers (Score:5, Interesting)
The rich boys and their expensive toys, about which they understand a fraction.
It's tough to show off your new Porsche to the Marketing chippies around the watercooler, so your new Apple-thing will have to suffice...
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my desktop is pushing 8 years now, a phenom 2 rig with 16 gig of ram and a 1 gig amd video card.
it does what i need it to do, Yeah I have newer devices, but to say that a PC thats older than 5 years is no good..... it seems quite smug. Its not the early 90s where you really did need to upgrade every 2 years
~Ganjadude
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Indeed my MacBook Pro is 4.5 years old and still pretty darn powerful (4C8T, etc). Added an SSD. Bumped to 16GB. But it was top of the line back then.
The only reason to upgrade would be to get a retina display model. Intel have done sweet FA with their CPUs since Sandy Bridge apart from save a little power and increase their profits. But the same goes for old PCs with C2D, C2Q, Nehalem, SB, etc. They're good enough for most things, still.
But indeed I agree that the comments made could be interpreted as 'poo
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I just bought a new Macbook Pro six months ago and specifically opted for the "Mid-2012" model (because you can still upgrade/replace the battery, SSD, RAM), so they shouldn't be quite as smug as they are. It's not five years old, yet, but it's actually better than their newest models in many ways.
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There are a couple of reasons, beyond being a gamer, to upgrade a 5+ year old computer.
- SSD drives - faster bootup times
- USB 3.0 - Quicker backups to external drives, faster photo transfer from memory cards (devices must be USB 3.0 as well)
- Better battery life for Laptops - Most last around 6 hours now, about triple what they used to.
However, most of these are not important enough to the average consumer to shell out $700 for a new computer.
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In most 5-10 years old laptops it is easy to swap the HDD with a SSD without having to buy a brand new computer. Older than 10 years you can but you need to make sure it is SATA and it starts being a waste of money. Desktops are even less of a problem.
On desktops, USB 3.0 controllers are around $30 if you really want it.
About battery life you are mostly right. Especially considering that your 5+ year old battery is likely to be toast and replacements are not always cheap or easy to find. If you are mobile y
You mean 600 million LUDDITES. (Score:4, Funny)
Modern app appers know that only apps can app apps, and if 600 million LUDDITES are still using LUDDITE software, that ruins it for the rest of us app appers! Apple wants to destroy LUDDITE software and replace it with good wholesome appy app apps!
Apps!
It's official then? (Score:5, Insightful)
The Apple Marketing really are targeting the shallow and vacuous assholes who want to feel smug about the latest shiny?
My last PC was over 6 years old before it keeled over, and I hope this one lasts about the same.
Know what I still don't have? My first gen iPad that Apple updated until they made it useless. Know what I do have? A 3.5 year old Android tablet.
Huge amounts of people are running older machines ... and, once again, people in marketing are shallow idiots.
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Re:It's official then? (Score:5, Interesting)
5 years ago, using a 5 year old computer could be rough. All but the most powerful machines seemed to be largely unusable by that age. But 5 years ago, 64 bit multiple core processors became common. 8 gigs of ram or more was suddenly commonplace. Hard drives under hundreds of GBs were uncommon. And then cheap SSDs came on the scene, reviving old hardware everywhere.
So, yeah, anymore a 5 year old computer is commonplace. I purchased my home desktop in 2010 (Dell XPS 8300, if I recall correctly, with a core i7 and 8 gigs of RAM), I added a 100 GB SSD in 2013 for use as the boot/OS drive, a second monitor around the same time, and a 4 TB drive for media storage in 2015. Although I am a relatively techie person, I see no need whatsoever to purchase a new computer within the next few years. Normally I want to be up with the times, but I am having a hard time seeing what I am missing out on. USB C, I guess? I can't think of anything else.
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A first gen iPad is stuck at IOS 5, but generally those things still works fine.
Good luck getting any apps that will run on it now though...
Re:It's official then? (Score:5, Funny)
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You know, at its core I did get the point of the message ... there were many many years where Microsoft really only saw the world as Office+Outlook+Exchange in corporate environments.
When Apple was giving video editing tools and useful stuff for having a digital life, Microsoft ... well, Microsoft still had Solitaire.
Apple's reputation for a seamlessly working ecosystem is well earned when the guy who installed my fireplace was all happy he lived in an Apple household and hadn't had to fight with technology
Awkward? No. Just a classic 'first world problem' (Score:2)
An Apple fan being a snob?!?!? (Score:5, Funny)
No way!
Re:An Apple fan being a snob?!?!? (Score:5, Funny)
[Camera focuses on hipster as a barista approaches]
Narrator: This is a rare opportunity to see an Apple customer defend his nest against attack from another species...Let's watch
Barista: Look you can't just sit there all day if you're not going to order something
Hipster: Are your latte smoothies organic and locally-sourced?
Barista: I....I don't know.
Hipster: Well, let me know if you can find out, then maybe I'll order one.
Narrator: Brilliant! Did you notice the way he used his smug sense of self-importance to put the attacker on the defensive and fend her off? An amazing sight to behold!
My iMac is 7 years old (Score:2)
My iMac is almost 7 years old and it's mostly fine. It was, though, top of the line. Are those 600 million PCs core2 duos, i3s, or what?
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The 7 year old PC I just retired was a quad core i7-920. It had an upgraded GPU and an upgraded SSD drive that kept it nimble for quite a while.
My wife's poor iMac of a similar vintage couldn't readily be upgraded on either front so she got a new machine last year instead (Pro Tip: Mac's are still cheaper than marriage counseling or divorce lawyers). Pay more, get last year's mobile grade processor, and you can't upgrade the RAM or hard drive to keep it going. No wonder Apple expects machines to be upgra
Burn it all to the ground; it's the only solution. (Score:2)
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No, it's not disparaging the products, it's disparaging the people who own and use those products. Big difference.
And, uh, being a dickhead in a marketing launch does not magically excuse him being a dickhead.
Don't overreact (Score:5, Insightful)
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Well we need to give everything some political twist to it. Otherwise how can we show that we are serious informed adults, unless there is something to rail against.
Re:Don't overreact (Score:5, Insightful)
What's dumb is ignoring class warfare as the elite drop bombs on your head, and decrying social justice when you're having injustice inflicted upon you every day.
But maybe you're more comfortable in the role of useful idiot. You wouldn't be the first.
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What's dumb is ignoring class warfare as the elite drop bombs on your head, and decrying social justice when you're having injustice inflicted upon you every day.
But maybe you're more comfortable in the role of useful idiot. You wouldn't be the first.
Why exactly should I fight class war or social justice wars, to no benefit to myself but all the benefit to the wealthy politicians and other demagogues that profit off of it? Sounds like you're the useful idiot.
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Fight? You're a leftist, you're terrified of firearms. You won't even be in the same room when one is lying unloaded on a table. The Second Amendment is your worst enemy, you want all the power out of the hands of the people and into the federal government. How were you planning on revolting? Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Moreover you're physical cowards unless you're provoking a few punches from someone while being videotaped. But you're tigers when it comes to running down the s [blogspot.com]
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Re:Don't overreact (Score:5, Insightful)
Huh? Useful idiots are Western leftists. The term was coined in the Soviet Union, whose Communists could not understand why people could live in such magnificent free societies and yet wish to turn them into authoritarian hellholes like their own. Shrugging their shoulders, they called them "useful idiots" and used them for their own purposes, showing them Potemkin villages on their pilgrimages and putting them up in the best hotels for free. Their descendants are today's Cultural Marxists who still continue with the plan but have no Soviet Union to betray the West to. I see already that the story has already been twisted from "out of touch Apple executives who want to sell more crap" into "cis white males fucking disgust me". You can misuse a term if you want but that doesn't make it right.
Re:Don't overreact (Score:4, Informative)
Huh? Useful idiots are Western leftists. The term was coined in the Soviet Union
Tee hee.
So close, yet so fail. Nice try, though.
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The term is a mistranslation of the Russian and yet that's how it entered the English language. The term "transmission belts" was also used. None of it changes the fact that educated Western leftists, much like yourself, worked tirelessly for decades to turn our own shining societies into totalitarian dystopias, and your masters could not understand why. The fact that you now want to take this well-defined epithet and strip it of meaning to suit your purposes sickens me.
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Re:Don't overreact (Score:5, Insightful)
It was a dumb comment for sure, but turning this into a matter of class warfare or social justice is orders of magnitude dumber.
My interpretation goes the other way. This is similar to how a drunk man speaks a sober man's thoughts. This comment shows how he really feels about people who don't refresh their devices every other year. He would never say this publicly other than in a slip up like this.
Ultimately it shouldn't be surprising to anyone though, which is why I think calling it awkward instead of outrageous is accurate. Anyone who is paying attention knows there is a huge chasm between the upper middle class / wealthy and the working class / poor. I grew up in a working class home and now that I am in my 30's with a $200k+ household income I find it hard to remember how I ever lived on $40k. In only a decade I have lost nearly all empathy with people who had the same upbringing as mine, and in its place is only sympathy for those who I barely understand anymore.
I now have similar awkward moments sometimes when I talk with an old friend who has kids the same age as mine, but is raising them on a $50k household income. If I accidentally bring up how our maid is a lifesaver or how "hard" it is to afford $3200 in monthly daycare costs it could certainly come off as elitist.
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Haters and dividers need to hate and divide people. Phony outrage is one of their tools.
herd manipulation to make profit (Score:4, Informative)
apple (and all non generic hardware pushers) needs consumers to continuously discard their old and buy its newest overpriced products with their much hyped latest features ( however unsubstantial ) in order to make profit.
this can only be achieved by social conditioning. a herd mentality is created where members of the herd feel fulfilled and happy, and be in a satisfactory social status, only when they have the latest.
so of course, they must laugh and mock at those outside the herd, make members of the herd join in laughing and mocking, more publicly the better.
$1000 for an iOS computer (Score:2)
Tablet w/ LTE + Keyboard + Pencil = $1000 - and that's the small version with less memory than most flagship smartphones. But, hey, if you can sell as many as you can make, why the fuck not, right?
Sigh and FFS (Score:2)
Is this surprising? (Score:3)
Apple has been playing the class warfare/have vs have-not/status symbol card for a while now. It plays to exactly what we (the general masses) intrinsically fear -- being singled out, not being "in", not fashionable, looking like a dork, etc.... It's also one of the reasons why the 99% hate the 1% -- because the 1% flaunt their wealth in front of others. Do you want to be flaunted to? Or do you want to do the flaunting to those plebeian Android/Windows/BB/feature phone users?
We have to realize that Apple is a fashion company first, a tech company second. Blue bubbles, anyone? Or are you "green with envy"?
Is this really a surprise? (Score:3)
Bad joke... (Score:2)
Really Sad? (Score:5, Insightful)
>> 600 million people are using PCs that are over five years old. 'This is really sad,' he said.
No it really isn't. Most people just use PCs to write emails and surf the net. Heck even 5 year old hardware is overpowered just for that.
Re:Really Sad? (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the fundamental problem all computer makers face. The relentless advance of computing tech has far, far outpaced the computing needs of most people for at least the past 10-15 years. As long as the hardware keeps functioning, those people have no real need to buy anything new... so the manufacturers have to resort to other tactics (appeals to snobbery, techno-lust, inventing new "must have" features, etc.).
And, as others have pointed out, that comment of Shiller's was especially out of place given how many Mac users point to their still functional and useful "ancient" Macs. Heck, I've got a 2006 MacBook Pro that's still happily humming along, playing the role of our home media server. The battery is basically non-functional; but that's irrelevant for it's designated task.
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I don't know how old my PC is (Score:3)
When your PC is self-built and maintained with upgrades as needed, it's hard to tell the age of it. I got one part in it that's only like a year old, but I got a secondary HDD in there that's from the last decade.
Yet the 101 still sells (Score:4, Interesting)
Interesting coming from a company that will sell you a 3y9m old machine today (http://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MD101LL/A&step=config#). Reports are that they still sell rather a lot of them, because they're upgradable, repairable, and work just fine.
As for me, my 2010 MBP literally came out of a garbage skip. Found it with a bulging/burst lithium battery (far from an Apple-only issue). $50 worth of eBay grey market battery later, and I have a pretty solid machine for XCode and Mac testing. If it weren't for that, I just wouldn't test or dev anything for Macs. Couldn't afford to.
Well, so what? (Score:2)
Companies selling "durable goods" love to have their customers buy their products more often than necessary. They all use these sorts of tactics to make that happen to improve their bottom line. Apple is no different.
They need you to consume more (Score:2)
So what am I missing? (Score:2)
Guilty of using older Apple hardware (Score:2)
I have:
- 2011 MacBook Air i5 13.3" - still runs well on OS X 10.11. Works well casting video to Chromecast.
- 2011 iMac i7 27" - has gotten slower and slower with each OS update, upgrading to SSD a year or so ago fixed that. Now runs very well with OS X 10.11.
- 2012 iPad mini - deceased due to digitizer problems. Got slower and slower with each OS update, also, could not keep more than one webpage tab stored in RAM at once. Was planning to upgrade it anyway due to the performance, but the "ghost touch" on th
How it used to be (Score:5, Interesting)
Way back when, Apple was claiming that its computers lasted longer, and retained their usefulness longer, than other computers. Suddenly, this is supposed to be a problem?
Microsoft does it too (Score:2)
Seriously, people with short attention spans.
Hmmm. Not everyone needs to replace all hardware (Score:2)
From My Cold Dead Hands... (Score:3)
Got a Phenom X4 [wikipedia.org] chugging happily since 2009. Got a Sandy Bridge i5 2500K [wikipedia.org] purring along since 2010. Even my Macbook Pro is a 2010 model, doing great since I swapped out the drive for a Samsung SSD, and my iPad is from 2012, the first to use retina and the last to use the wide (non-lightning) connector.
Sorry, Apple marketing guy. Got nothing against Apple products... they're pretty and work well. But my shit's working just fine, thank you very much, and I'll take no compulsion to trade up before I'm damn good and ready. Don't piss on me just because I know how to source reliable equipment and maintain it well.
What about the Mac Pro? (Score:2)
How about the Mac Pro? The last time they did an update on that machine was in 2013! All of the hardware in that product line is at least three years old, and a good portion of it was about a year out of date when it came out in 2013. For a machine that costs upwards of four grand, you are certainly not getting your money's worth!
You can get a significantly more powerful machine today for half the cost.
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most mac users don't care about "power"
there is good reason I chose mac at work over the windows IT also offered
This is what Apple users really think (Score:2)
This is nothing new at all. This has been Apple user attitude since the Macintosh came out. The attitude was to look down on those poor pitiable IBM users because they didn't have the best, and had to bow down before the silicon gods to receive their next batch of poorly engineered hardware. This was back in 1985. Nothing has changed.
This wouldn't even be an article other than some journalist seized an angle and went with it. I bet the spokeslady never saw it coming, because she's so into it that it's
This took longer than expected (Score:2)
Expected the tablet bubble to burst years earlier than it has.
What's really sad.. (Score:3)
..is that Apple execs thinks we should have to upgrade perfectly working hardware every year. I put a new video card in my intel i7 920 and it still performs pretty damn good for all the tasks I use it for. This is just more proof of how far out of touch Apple is with the real world.
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What about gamers who need real video cards and a real gaming OS? Because Apple certainly has nothing to be smug about on that front.
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He specifically said a "real video card."
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No mention of video card.
Re:What about (Score:4, Interesting)
Apple doesn't have anything to be smug about, period. Phil Schiller is a jerk trying to sell unneeded junk to stupid people. I say "junk" because that's what all machinery eventually becomes.If it does the job you need it to do, you're an idiot for replacing it!
That said, I may buy an iPad. My daughter had hers with her last visit, and it takes REALLY sharp photos.
Re:What about (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, I may buy an iPad. My daughter had hers with her last visit, and it takes REALLY sharp photos.
If you're only after really sharp photos, you'd be better off with a recent model compact camera. They're a lot cheaper, and will take much better photos.
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[In order to have a the desirable gaming experience] gamers who need real video cards ...
Most people understood the implied context.
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What about all the poor SOB's who can't afford to upgrade their broken Apple shite because it's ridiculously fragile & over priced
Sounds like you have no experience with Apple! No experience!
I manage about six hundred Dell Latitude laptops and almost nine hundred Apple MacBook Pro 13" laptops. Despite having around 2/3 as many Dells and that we buy the Apples used off lease so they're an average of five years-old versus less than eighteen months for the Dells, nearly 90% of our support tickets are from users with Dell laptops. When a five year-old used Apple is more than ten times less troublesome than a much newer Dell, you're ful
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Apple is a predatory company exploiting slave labor in china.
Without looking it up list five other companies doing the same thing.
Re: Apple Sucks (Score:2)
Not to defend the other guys but they have razor thin margins on most of their products. Apple could double the wages of the Chinese workers and still make tons of money.
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Apple did get raised wages and and improved working conditions for the workers in China. But since the principle was "we hate Apple" as opposed to "protect the workers", only Apple felt pressure and only the workers on Apple products got improvements. A year or two after everybody stopped grumbling about Apple they were busted exploiting workers again.
If you actually do care about those workers then their exploitation should be the issue regardless of Apple's involvement.
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Apple doesn't set the wages of the companies that make it's products. They don't OWN foxconn or Samsung, they contract out all the manufacturing and rake in the profits.
The last thing I want to see is Apple demanding the companies they hire to make their products increase their wages because it'
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You really need to do a search for "Ship of Theseus".