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Shuttleworth: Apple Will Merge Mac and iPhone 414

Barence writes "Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth claims Apple will follow Ubuntu's lead and converge the iPhone and MacBook product lines. Speaking to PC Pro to mark the upcoming launch of Ubuntu 13.10, Shuttleworth said that the failed Ubuntu Edge smartphone — an attempt to bridge mobile and desktop computing devices — had set an example that others will follow. 'We've seen a very interested ripple go through the industry, and an uptick in interest in convergence,' Shuttleworth added. 'People are saying yes, mobile processors are catching up with the desktop. When Apple announced the iPhone 5s, it called the processor "desktop-class," and I don't think that was an accident – it was sending what we think is a very clear signal that it will converge the iPhone and the MacBook Air.'"
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Shuttleworth: Apple Will Merge Mac and iPhone

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  • by h4rr4r ( 612664 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:20AM (#45101069)

    So why don't you roll it out now Mr.Shuttleworth?
    You don't have to make hardware. You could even buy some Nexus devices and flash your OS on then sell them.

    • Linux never has had a really good presence in the marketplace (exception:android). I have been debating installing it on my phone, but I don't really have money to replace it if I brick it.
      https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [ubuntu.com]
      • by h4rr4r ( 612664 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:30AM (#45101177)

        You might want to add the following exceptions: networking devices, servers, appliances, automation, workstations, TVs and a shit load of other stuff.

        You basically can't brick these devices. I would flash a build, but it is only for Maguro/Mako/Grouper/Manta and I have a Toro, which would mean no working cellular.

        • Ah, didn't realize they didn't support toro. That sucks. Hopefully they will support the nexus 5 [cnet.com] shortly after it comes out, and I hope I can buy one off contract like the nexus 4.
          • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

            I hope so too. I will be leaving VZW for that phone and because they are douchebags in general.

        • And a good 90% of what you just listed support exactly ONE version, put on at the factory, and no other. If you call that "support" then a casio calc watch from the 80s must be a wearable computer to you. BTW why didn't you include TiVo in your list? After all they meet the criteria, just as locked down as TV and appliances yet runs a Linux kernel?

          As for TFA...Yo, Shuttleworth? Yeah MSFT was the one that followed your moronic idea, NOT APPLE and look what it got them, flops bigger than winME and Vista put together. If you are so much into "innovation" why don't you rip the steering wheel off your car and replace it with bike handlebars? Well why not, in both cases you are taking a UI designed for one form factor and jamming into a completely different one where it doesn't work well and both are totally moronic, so why not just push the envelope and go full retard?

          Look folks its REALLY simple, the PC and laptop are vertical non touch screen high res systems and the phone and tablet are.....wait for it....horizontal touch screen oriented low res systems. Now what do they have in common? NOTHING, that is right NOTHING! They have screens....but the res is several orders of magnitude better on one than the other. They have CPUs....except that one is a SoC made for power consumption above all and therefor is slower than an early Pentium 4 in terms of performance. They have storage....err again several orders of magnitude better and faster on one than the other. Graphics....seeing a pattern here folks?

          The reason why Shuttleworth hasn't been able to peddle his shit and Ballmer can't give away Win 8 is because tablets and PCs are NOT the same thing and you can't just rip the UI from one and stuff if it the other and expect it to be anything but suck and fail. Why do the Win 8 apologists never praise the "innovation" of giving phones itty bitty start buttons and menus? Its the same fucking thing, you take a UI designed for one form factor and hamfistedly ram it into the other form factor and expect people are gonna care.

          As much as I hate the control freak nature of Apple I have to give them credit, they aren't being bit by a case of the stupids like MSFT and Canonical. Everything they have imported from iOS? Can be easily turned off or just outright ignored and from what I've been told you can have the same UI they have had for the past 6 releases if that is what you want. Who would have thought that Apple of all people would be giving the user what they expect, while MSFT and Canonical would be taken over by art school rejects and go apeshit?

          • by Lennie ( 16154 )

            I've never seen an Ubuntu phone, but I do believe it has 2 seperate UI's with the same colours and effects.

            While Windows 8 has a desktop UI and a non-desktop UI on the desktop.

          • Look folks its REALLY simple, the PC and laptop are vertical non touch screen high res systems and the phone and tablet are.....wait for it....horizontal touch screen oriented low res systems.

            Just replying to point out that you have this backwards.

            PCs and laptops have horizontal (e.g., landscape orientation) displays, and the phone and tablet ... well, the tablet can be either way, but the phone is primarily a vertical (e.g., portrait orientation) display.

    • by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:36AM (#45101241) Journal

      ...only no one understands that yet.
      That is why I predict that some day, someone successful will try doing the same thing I've failed at.
      Which proves, regardless of success or failure of that theoretical venture I just described, how awesome and ahead of its time my concept was and how brilliant I am.

      In fact, the failure I mention was not my failure at all - it was the failure of the world to recognize the opportunity to exploit my genius.

      • In fact, the failure I mention was not my failure at all - it was the failure of the world to recognize the opportunity to exploit my genius.

        Sir Clive Sinclair talking about the C5?

      • Mr. Shuttleworth probably has an Amiga Computer... best darn computer ever (just ask someone who owned one), ahead of its time, and completely forgotten nowadays...

  • by lw54 ( 73409 ) <lance&woodson,com> on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:22AM (#45101087)

    I can't decide if this is brilliant or stupid. Perhaps Apple could one day create a laptop shell fitted for a phone but not until Apple first pulls off the iWatch. I see this concept being an extension of wirelessly transferring functionality to another device as the Phone Watch combo should provide. Am I being short-sighted here?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:22AM (#45101095)

    I simply cannot believe anyone who works for Canonical any longer.

    In 2009, Jane Silber became the CEO of Canonical in 2009. Canonical makes Ubuntu.

    Jane Silber's previous job was at that military contractor, namely the C4 Division of General Dynamics. It turns out that at the C4 Systems division is all about using computers for spying.

    From their website: "General Dynamics C4 Systems is a trusted leader in the development of intelligence and information gathering systems for national defense and homeland security. These systems are designed to receive, process, exploit and disseminate information -- in different forms and often from different networks -- and distribute relevant information to operators, both in the field and at higher headquarters."

    The Register story about Jane Silber. [channelregister.co.uk]

    In 2012, G.D. C4 Systems gave 96% of its $14,000 of campaign contributions to Republicans, which could suggest C4's leadership takes a hawkish attitude about war and has a disregard for human rights. OpenSecrets link.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by kamapuaa ( 555446 )

      Right, I've been saying this for years. Before that, she worked in Japan, where the government has been refusing the apologize for war atrocities for years. Even today, Koreans aren't recognized at Hiroshima, despite being one fourth of the death toll. Why is Jane Silber anti-Korean? Why does Ubuntu hold a racist ideology?

      And let's not even get started on her work for General Health, a health risk assessment firm.

    • by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:38AM (#45101271)

      My last job was corrosion testing. I would test various materials and coatings for their corrosion resistance - basically, I would make things rust.

      My current job is building robotic assembly equipment. Despite my last job, I do not make the robots rust.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:46AM (#45101351)
      Oh god! Someone used to have a job somewhere else and now they're using their proprietary open source code base that no one can check to secretly spy on us because they must be somehow still linked to their previous employer. Anyone who works for a place that we don't like should have their ear cut off so we can easily identify them. What's if she's a member of the New World Order, or worse, what if she's secretly a zionist Joo?

      C4 Systems gave 96% of its $14,000 of campaign contributions to Republicans

      $14,000 huh? That's fucking nothing. NOTHING Elections take millions, if not billions. $14K might as well be a fucking joke.

      which could suggest C4's leadership takes a hawkish attitude about war and has a disregard for human rights.

      Yeah, I guess it could be taken that way, if you're delusional. Stop making us liberals look bad with this nonsense. You're no better than the idiots who say that anyone who donates a dollar to the democrats should be hanged for inciting socialist revolution. Fuck off.

      Shame on the idiots who modded you up. They need to have their mod privileges revoked.

      • I'm going to play the devil's advocate here - Ubuntu is the release of Linux that is not necessarily meant for the most tech savvy users, and it may not be as closed monitored as other, more security focused Linux distributions. It may be easier to get something passed everyone since people aren't watching it as closely. That's not saying it can't be caught, but that it might take longer to find.

        On the other hand, someone that makes systems meant for spying probably has a firm grasp on security systems
    • Your point is moot until you find an actual backdoor.
  • Too much credit (Score:4, Interesting)

    by NineNine ( 235196 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:23AM (#45101103)

    Hilarious article. Shuttleworth is giving himself entire too much credit. Is Apple is doing this, they won't be following his failure. They'll be following Microsoft's still-in-process move of trying to combine the two.

  • idiots (Score:2, Insightful)

    NOBODY WANTS THIS! Who's running Apple, Balmer? They seem to think I want some super-computer-phone. Here's what I want in a computing device: a full sized keyboard, a full sized display, extremely fast responsiveness, gigabit, 500+ GB of storage, a video card capable of gaming, actual games, real software, and a DVD drive. That's called a computer, NOT a phone!

    Nobody anywhere has the patience to sit there and create a powerpoint presentation for a school project on a damn phone no matter how fast it
    • Re:idiots (Score:4, Insightful)

      by rumpsummoner ( 1021011 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:28AM (#45101157) Homepage
      Yep, phones are for consuming things, and in a pinch, they can kind of limp along at creating things. Computers are for creating.
      • Re:idiots (Score:5, Insightful)

        by h4rr4r ( 612664 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:35AM (#45101239)

        So what do you think happens when you add a bluetooth keyboard and mouse plus a full display via HDMI?

        If I could do that I would not need a desktop at work. I just need a web browser and ssh.

        • Re:idiots (Score:5, Insightful)

          by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:47AM (#45101377)

          Even if you do that tablet and phone OS's don't work great. Everything runs full screen all the time. One of the perks of having a big full screen is having enough room to work with multiple windows.

          The simple reality is that the windowed application concept is incredibly useful, mature, and powerful. I can understand why it doesn't work on small mobile devices and why they don't use it there, but its foolish to hobble a desktop system by making it match the design choices of a mobile platform. Particularly when those design choices were made because of limitations that don't exist on the desktop.

          • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

            Take a deep breath.

            The whole point is that when this stuff is attached you fire up a different window manager. There is no reason you could not fire up gnome when HDMI is attached.

          • by Microlith ( 54737 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @10:12AM (#45101637)

            Even if you do that tablet and phone OS's don't work great. Everything runs full screen all the time.

            I know, doesn't that suck? It's also impossible to change! They're forever stuck operating in that mode and no one knows why...

            its foolish to hobble a desktop system by making it match the design choices of a mobile platform.

            No joke! Too bad you can't, you know, dynamically swap between interfaces or something. But for some reason it's impossible...

        • Re:idiots (Score:4, Insightful)

          by rumpsummoner ( 1021011 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:51AM (#45101423) Homepage
          I think you have a big screen and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse hooked to an OS that sucks for those devices. I also think you have a bunch of software not written for those interfaces. But what do I know. Maybe it will be fine. Currently I don't like it. Maybe someone will do it in a way that makes it awesome.
          • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

            What about the OS sucks for those devices?

            Please explain. I think you mean the window manager sucks. The fun thing about linux is you can have more than one. So run something like unity when in phone mode and then fire up gnome when the HDMI is connected.

      • by Dracos ( 107777 )

        Tablets are the same.

        Touch (even multi-touch) is a step backward in human computer interfaces.

    • Docking the phone to a keyboard and screen is what is interesting.
      Or in a laptop.

      Or a phone in a tablet in a keyboard.

      And so forth.

      Not sure this will be the future, but it's a neat concept.

      • by jerk ( 38494 )

        Oh yeah, seemed to work well for Motorola, they sold tens of hundreds of Atrix phones!

        And don't forget the wildly popular Asus PadFone products.

      • by denzacar ( 181829 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @10:18AM (#45101707) Journal

        Docking is a concept from back in the day, when laptops were significantly smaller in dimensions than "real" honest-to-god workstations and when connecting to various peripherals meant dealing with a bunch of cables, not all of which your average laptop could be connected to at the same time, and when syncing over various computers was a nuisance.

        Also, one of the main reasons for laptop size was not elegance or even portability (they were quite heavy, compared to their abilities, thanks to those old hardware components and batteries) - but screen size.
        Small screen + small, often even incomplete keyboard + alternative pointing solutions that were never as useful of precise as a mouse + short battery life + not enough ports to plug in all those wired peripherals = need for docking.

        You need docking if you need to connect to a bigger screen, a wired network, another separate cable for a printer, one more for a scanner, one for a modem, perhaps an external CD or floppy drive...
        All of that, apart from the bigger screen, can be done over wifi/bluetooth.
        Or is not needed anymore - like that old 14400 modem.
        Meanwhile all your files now fit neatly inside your laptop, can be transferred to other devices without the use of cables, or you keep them online.

        Which leaves only 3 devices you'd need a dock for - bigger screen, full-size keyboard and full-size/full-function mouse.
        None of which can really get smaller than they need to be. Even screens actually got bigger, only losing their backside.

        All of the peripherals that you need docking to ALREADY TAKE UP SO MUCH SPACE YOU CAN JUST AS WELL ADD A FULL-BLOWN COMPUTER.
        Like inside the screen.

        The only reason left for docking is cost-saving.
        By paying way too much for memory and processing power jammed into a tiny phone instead of using off the shelf components which are dirt cheap and super fast in comparison.

    • Re:idiots (Score:5, Informative)

      by TimHunter ( 174406 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:33AM (#45101213)
      No need to get your panties all in a wad. Apple is not saying this. Somebody else (namely Shuttleworth) who doesn't actually know shit about Apple's plans is saying it.
    • This is part of the war against general purpose computing.
    • At some point, the CPU's built into phones will be powerful enough to handle most desktop applications for businesses without a noticeable performance hit. We're not quite there yet, though. Maybe in three or four more years, perhaps.

      Hard core gamers will always want the latest $500 video card from AMD or Nvidia, though... and there will likely continue to be a niche market to support them. Everyone else will continue to buy whatever laptop they can get from their employer or for under $600 from Newegg or B

    • Worse is a phone interface on your super-computer.
    • Re:idiots (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jeremyp ( 130771 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @10:08AM (#45101607) Homepage Journal

      NOBODY WANTS THIS! Who's running Apple, Balmer?

      If you read the article, you'll realise that this is not Apple, but Mark Shuttleworth claiming to know what Apple are going to do. It is like me saying "Linus Torvalds is going to implement the Win32 API directly and you saying "who is running Linux? Steve Balmer?"

      It's quite funny actually. He admits his own attempt failed to reach its crowd funding target, but the support he did get "blew him away" which implies that he was never expecting the crowd funding target to be met.

      The rest of your post is exactly why Apple would be stupid to consider merging their laptop and tablet lines.

  • by danaris ( 525051 ) <danaris@mac. c o m> on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:27AM (#45101149) Homepage

    Everything Apple has been doing since the iPhone has come out has been moving in one direction: Two operating systems, built on a common core, which share various elements that make sense.

    Apple is not Microsoft. They don't think you have to have "one OS to rule them all." Apple knows that what's good for a touchscreen device is not as good for a traditional laptop or desktop.

    Yes, they have taken some features from iOS and moved them over to Mac OS X. However, they're almost universally optional and/or superficial. You never have to use Launchpad if you don't want, and all the autosaving features can be disabled if you prefer to work under the more traditional document management paradigm.

    This idea is one that has been often proclaimed quite loudly by critics of Apple who say that everything's going to be locked down and if you buy a Mac, it'll be exactly like an iPad with a keyboard, but it doesn't have any real basis in reality.

    Dan Aris

    • by DarkOx ( 621550 )

      Well the direction I think it really ought to go is one OS multiple interfaces. I don't *need* a different filesystem on phone vs laptop, certainly don't want different calendar apps, mail apps, etc.

      The CPUs are getting plenty powerful. When the device is mobile should down some cores to control power. Put into the laptop case; the other cores get powered up, the bus is connected and the OS sees the additional peripherals. Maybe a more powerful graphics processor, additional storage, keyboard, large di

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by nbritton ( 823086 )

      Everything Apple has been doing since the iPhone has come out has been moving in one direction: Two operating systems, built on a common core, which share various elements that make sense.

      Apple is not Microsoft. They don't think you have to have "one OS to rule them all." Apple knows that what's good for a touchscreen device is not as good for a traditional laptop or desktop.

      Really? God help us if they merge the iOS7 interface into MacOS. Frankly I feel they have lost direction with the passing of Jobs. They do really stupid things now, like emulate the look, and behavior, of Android.

    • by Voyager529 ( 1363959 ) <voyager529@NOSpaM.yahoo.com> on Friday October 11, 2013 @10:42AM (#45101927)

      Not at first. Give it time.

      In a few years, what will really be the functional difference between the Macbook Air and an iPad with a clamshell keyboard? Additionally, as Apple continues to grow their marketshare in the laptop segment, OSX in its original iterations will become a more lucrative target for malware. Now before anyone gets pissed at me for saying that, I chose the word "lucrative" for a reason. 8 times out of ten, people with Macbooks will:

      1.) Have some money to spend.
      2.) Label themselves as "not computer people".
      3.) Be of the persuasion that Macs can't get viruses.

      Now yes, I know there are plenty of slashdotters here who got a hand-me-down Mac from work, spend as much time in the Terminal as in Safari, and run Sophos on it because you never know. However, let's say that these qualifications apply to even a third of the people who buy a Macbook, and pretend you're a malware writer. You've got millions of people who you KNOW have money, who you KNOW are not technologically savvy enough to discern a real warning message from a fraudulent one, and who are all but certain that they are invulnerable to the very type of attack you plan on performing. It sounds like the perfect storm to me.

      Apple is aware that these types of people are amongst their customers, and in many cases, amongst their loudest evangelists - you'll never get better advertising than to say "Other computers were complicated, but I can finally Facebook my kids!". For these kinds of people, the walled garden is a feature, not a bug. For these people, there needs to be a solution. Apple gave one: the Mac App Store.

      At first, it was optional.
      Then, it was a part of the OS.
      Then, it was enabled by default.
      Then, you get a warning if you turn off the OS's blocking of sideloading.

      Meanwhile, Apple is making money hand over fist on software for their mobile platform. For the majority of their demographic, being able to run iOS apps on their laptop is a quantum leap forward.

      Even if they don't merge, there will be a point at which the lines are so blurry it won't matter.

      • In a few years, what will really be the functional difference between the Macbook Air and an iPad with a clamshell keyboard?

        The Macbook UI will primarily controlled be controlled by touch offscreen (mouse/pad), the iPad will be primarily controlled by touch on screen.

        That is the difference, and there is no reason to have that change.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        In a few years, what will really be the functional difference between the Macbook Air and an iPad with a clamshell keyboard?

        A lot, actually.

        First, their Mac line will still run Intel CPUs, while the iOS line runs ARM based processors. You can't really merge the two for various reasons.

        Second, the Macs are "open" devices, while the iPad is a walled garden. This is a fundamental problem that cannot be simply washed away. Either you run x86 binaries on iPad freely, or you run walled garden apps on yoru Mac.


      • 8 times out of ten, people with Macbooks will: 1.) Have some money to spend. 2.) Label themselves as "not computer people". 3.) Be of the persuasion that Macs can't get viruses.

        And nine times out of ten Windows users are practically computer illiterate, what's your point?

        (BTW, my point here is that I know more developers (when only counting those who have some kind of choice, if you're working for a bank that mandates Windows 2000 Pro on all developer desktops because it's corporate policy then you're not really interesting in this case) who use Macbooks/iMacs/Mac Pros running OS X than I know developers who use Windows Whatever)

  • by TheloniousToady ( 3343045 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:30AM (#45101187)

    Imitation of a failed example is the sincerest form of flattery.

  • Personally, I'd love to see such a thing. It would be great not having to travel with both a laptop and a phone. It would also be great to have your phone function as your computer and to be able to use that computer with any display, keyboard and mouse that happen to be nearby. However -- there is that question of form factor. No one wants to do serious work on a tiny phone display, so especially in travel situations you would need to take a proper display, keyboard and mouse -- in other words, a lapto
    • also phones have limited ram and storage. 3g/4g/LTE is not all over has small caps and very high roaming costs.

      An apple dual phone / laptop may need sd slot's / usb ports.

      • by h4rr4r ( 612664 )

        Over 2GB of RAM is limited? 64GB of disk?

        Wifi is found on all these devices. USB on the Go already exists for that purpose.

        Ahem, back when we wore onions on our belts, it was the fashion at the time, we were plenty happy with MBs of RAM and Disk.

        • by babymac ( 312364 )
          Not just 64GB of storage I hope. The Crossbar RRAM technology should provide at least 1 TB of storage on phones in the near future. If the technology is as easy to manufacture as they say and it's licensed widely, it should be successful.
        • by mjr167 ( 2477430 )

          2GB of RAM is a limit :) Technically all computers have RAM/disk limitations.

          Are these limits sufficient for your needs? Depends on what you are doing.

  • Microsoft is already doing this with Windows 8. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/20/windows-phone-8-and-windows-8-share-lots-of-code-nt-kernel/ [engadget.com] But Ubuntu and Apple are the innovators... lame...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by HerculesMO ( 693085 )

      Was looking for this comment, though you're already modded down.

      Shuttleworth has had limited success with Ubuntu in terms of a monetary return, so showing himself as an "innovator" (and we all love the new UI don't we?) is kind of laughable.

    • I just tried to use Windows 8 for a year, hating but tolerating it. Last week I found out the hard way that the built-in backup in Windows 8 doesn't make an image to recover from in Windows 7. So despite using two-different backup solutions, I still had to re-install all of my Applications again. Faced with throwing money at a decent imaging backup solution or just putting 7 on the machine, the choice became obvious.

      I don't think we need that kind of "innovation" on the Desktop, where I can actually use thi

      • I'm on Windows 8 and I'll never go back to 7 without a fight. After about a few hours of figuring things out I could navigate the OS and get to where I needed to be as fast or faster than on 7. Backup? -- I work in VM's because Windows 8 Pro has Hyper-V. Probably simply the best advancement for a developer. Before we go all Virtual Box crazy... Hyper-V is built-in and functions much better..
  • by shione ( 666388 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:32AM (#45101201) Journal

    In fact one of the reasons for microsoft making that abomination of an os windows 8 was because they thought apple was very close to coming out with a os with ios and osx combined together.

    Combining osx and ios together would make a lot of sense for apple because osx lacks games while ios lacks serious programs for content creation. Putting the two together will give apple the perfect os for content consumption and content creation to better take on windows.

    when you consider that valve will be coming out with a linux based os to play steam games and microsoft shutting down gfwl, there is getting less and less compelling reasons to own windows. Even programs like ms office and autocad can be found on osx.

  • Jesus, if Apple is following Ubuntu, then Canonical is following me, because I posted here in 2008 that Apple would eventually have a "Mac Mode" on their iPhones so it could work with a wireless KVM as a desktop computing environment, just as soon as the CPU and bandwidth were available on some sort of Moore's Law curve, and that would end the Mac.

    But to me, that's obvious to somebody 'skilled in the art' and I wouldn't egotistically assume anybody who implemented this was following me. Nor do I expect a p

  • I was having pretty much the same thought myself.

    Why would you want a 64-bit processor on a phone?

    The two possible answers is:
    1: They want to prepare for the future where you would actually want that, and by enabling it now they will start moving developers over.
    2: They want to make a desktop version of iOS, probably with the aqua layer as a possibility (and since iOS basically runs the same kernel as OSX it should be quite easy to tack on) which will create hybrids.

    With a lightning connector, it should be

    • Why would you want a 64-bit processor on a phone?

      The ARM 64 chip runs iOS software faster in 64 bit mode than in 32 bit mode _right now_, so that's a reason.

      Moreover, the ARM architecture has changed by removing instructions that limit the clock speed in 64 bit mode. So you _could_ increase clock speed with the same technology if you change 32 bit code to take more cycles. Once most apps are available in 32/64 bit, that can be done and you get a nice jump in clock speed at no additional cost.

    • by Henriok ( 6762 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:43AM (#45101319)

      I was having pretty much the same thought myself.

      Why would you want a 64-bit processor on a phone?

      The answer right now is: A processor with the ARMv8 ISA will be more powerful per clock and draw less power per clock and use less transistors per area than the previous ARMv7 would allow. It'll be a cheaper, faster and less power consuming than its predecessors. THAT'S the reason. Let's do it. Oh, it'll be 64-bit with no drawbacks too since we already have all the software tools and knowhow to make the leap, so let's do that too.

    • The two possible answers is:

      I think there is a third, which is sort of related to your number 1:
      3. ARM is clearly moving toward 64-bit. If you are redesigning your processor anyway, are you going to make a new 32-bit chip that won't last into the days where phones get more RAM, or are you going to go with the modern architecture that you can stick in your cheaper phones going forward?

      And of course having a "desktop class" portable chip of their own does expand their flexibility in laptop offerings, but ARM still can't touch Intel righ

    • by doti ( 966971 )


      The difference from phones to computers is not the processing power, storage capacity, ram, etc.

      It's the form factor. They will never converge because it's two very different usage patterns.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Seriously, though!

    Canonical forces a mobile interface on a desktop OS; Flops

    Microsoft forces a mobile interface on a desktop OS; Flops even harder

    Shuttleworth:"Apple will merge their mobile and desktop platforms"

    Not if they're smart, Mark, not if they're smart...

    • Noooo ... Apple waits till everyone has failed to do something , and then - learning from everyone elses mistakes does the same thing and claims it was there idea all along.

      case in point :

      mp3 players - were very much a niche item until iPod came along
      smart phones - apple would have you believe they invented them - of course this is not true
      tablets - nothing new here

      currently - there are several players out there bringing "smart watches" on the market - they will probably fail to garner much inte
  • by MidnightBrewer ( 97195 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:36AM (#45101247)

    So Mark thinks his failure is the obvious blueprint for Apple's success? Interesting.

  • Apple has been mucking up the Mac OS user interface ever since 10.4. Ever look at the latest version of iTunes on the Mac? It constantly flips into a stupid simplistic iPod interface where it scrolls backwards like you're dragging your finger and everything is a dead flat icon with no drill down hierarchy especially when at the iTumes Store. I hate it, the ultimate dumbing down of the Mac. Next thing you know they will be getting rid of the terminal window and console and we'll all be back to Windows 3.

    • by jeremyp ( 130771 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @10:20AM (#45101739) Homepage Journal

      I'm looking at it now, I have no idea what you are talking about.

    • Windows 3.1 had a terminal window and console.
      • I can vouch for that. I work with lots of old scientific instruments and was just working on a 3.1 machine a mere 3 hours ago messing with a printing issue on the equally dated dot-matrix printer it has connected. Since I work at a university and still remember these old systems I'm always tasked with fixing anything NT4 and before. Thankfully thats only 4 machines and they hardly ever break. But when they do it's always a adventure. Luckily I think the bright yellow plastic, funky looking mice, and cloudy
  • by tuppe666 ( 904118 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @09:38AM (#45101267)

    Apple have neglected the computing products for a long time (even removed "computers" from its name), and have made no secret of making its(not your) computers, non-upgradable, disposable electronics, rather than General purpose machines, The move to 64-bit arm is a heartbeat away, with the dream of a touchcreen iPad. I wish them success.

    The reality is its computing sales have dropped for 4 quarters, and it looks like this will be another quarter of its sales dropping faster than the PC market...even with Windows 8 as a dead weight.

    It looks like linux is going to continue to be the only bright spot in an otherwise lackluster market. The Irony of years of "Year of Linux" meme is kind of sad how quickly Microsoft and Apple gave there duopoly away (at least Apple still has 13% of the smartphone market)

    • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @11:33AM (#45102483)

      Mac sales were actually UP in Q4 last year - so how have they "dropped for four quarters"? As for the other three quarters, it's dropped something like 1% while the rest of the PC market screams into the ground at mach 3. All of which ignores the computers coming down the pike that will boost Mac sales again...

      I'm not sure what leads you to introduce lis into every Slashdot post you make. But you really should consider at least sticking to the truth when you troll, it's marginally more effective.

  • Worst idea ever. There are "computers" and there are "mobile devices". The do different things and serve different purposes. History keeps repeating this. Tablets are not laptops. Tablets are great for watching porn, but people don't use them for serious, high-end productivity. (I am at work, typing this on a workstation, not an iPad).

    Just because the two may have the same CPU ( which let's say for the sake of argument - they will) - it'doesn't mean people want an "iOS experience" on a MacBook pro. Chance

  • > Speaking to PC Pro to mark the upcoming launch of Ubuntu 13.10, Shuttleworth said that the failed Ubuntu Edge smartphone — an attempt to bridge mobile and desktop computing devices — had set an example that others will follow.

    Perhaps, especially the "failed" part.

    Although Apple execs are probably contractually forbidden to mention Microsoft, there's been two failed attempts so far to bridge mobile and desktop computing devices. It's going to be interesting to see what Apple comes up with.


  • People have been making similar predictions about the convergence of the two platforms since long before the Edge was announced. Albeit fancifully as no one making said predictions ever seems to be taking themselves entirely seriously. It is an interesting idea to bat around now and then, but is aloof and aloft for the foreseeable future.
  • So despite the fact that Apple COULD have done this already and hasn't, and the fact that they've said repeatedly that they don't think it's a good idea (google "toasterfridge"), and the fact that they're currently hugely successful in NOT doing so... all these things added up and you think they ARE going to follow the "trail of failures" of merged OSs blazed by Ubuntu and MS? Nope, I just don't see that happening.

    Someday in the future, CEOs won't be allowed to talk about other companies and celebrities won

  • When you have a physical User Interface that is different, what should the user interface on the different devices be? Different?! Yes, this shit isn't rocket science.

    Now, the trick is -- and it's one I've been working on -- to take an approach something like the Open Desktop Project, but extend it to suit new interfaces. I've experimented with 3D OS interfaces in both parallax (camera based head tracking) and VR (goggles)... I've experimented with combinations of that with and without tablets and smart phones, and with interfaces without the 3D -- Even going 80 column retro textual.

    The OS provides functionality that all these interfaces use to present themselves. We need a way for applications to present features like the OS does, and let interfaces be skins atop that functionality. Don't like the "ribbon" interface? Screw it, use the old one. Like the app, but would rather use it on the desktop with a keyboard, or in 3D parallax or with a VR display? Want to use it via VT100 terminal instead? You could if we had a Functional System in addition to the Operating System. An Operations System... Imagine it, you build a TRUE "Application": Grouping and positioning functionality, arranging the flow of data and interaction. Then the OS attaches functionality to the interface based on its installed set of functions. This is ALMOST what some programming is like, and you can get a sense that it's where we're going if you line up all the IDEs... You see drag and drop coding, and others sticking to terminals --- YES! Both, let one serve for the other. You've veered from the path and lost sight of The Unix Way(tm): Do one thing and do it well. Interfaces are not Functionality!

    I'm beginning to see hints of this emerging naturally, not requiring spurning or disrupting of force: Eg: In Android applications can publish "intents" and other apps can utilize their functionality without tightly coupling to the program Input / Output data interface... The same will need to occur at the interface level as our interfaces become everything from ceilings to the air vibrating with your vocalization and ultra sonic tactile feedback. You will adopt the new way, but you organics will do it the dumb slow inefficient emergent way instead of seeing the goal and working towards the design intelligently.

    Every one of your soggy organic brains is too moistened and distracted by shiny bits of UI, and dreams of megalomaniacally ruling the entire stack; Like a bunch of fools who don't understand basic distribution principals: When the system is vast and varied you don't funnel activity / traffic / etc into single a single locus! Imagine if all information in the universe had to pass through a single point just to be processed into the Next frame?! NO, that's NOT what Physics does to make stuff move, it's what you do to REBOOT the SIM! ::BANG::

    The answer isn't to unify the interfaces. That's daft. The answer is to separate Content from Style, divide Functionality from Display. YOU KNOW THIS, it's a core to any MVC framework... Humans! Gah! so retarding.

  • by morgauxo ( 974071 ) on Friday October 11, 2013 @04:23PM (#45104899)

    Of course iOS and MacOS will converge. Mac is too open. Apple would like to have all it's customers locked into the market place where they receive both money and power as they have 100% say of what 'apps' will and will not ever see the light of day.

    Microsoft will do the same with the Windows platform if they can ever even get their phone market off the ground. Otherwise they will just fade away into irrelevance.

    Meanwhile with even desktops getting locked bootloaders it will be harder and harder to put Linux or any other non Apple/Microsoft OS on any piece of hardware, desk/laptop, tablet or phone.

    Google however doesn't even seem to be interested in any sort of 'desk/laptop' OS. Sure, there is Chrome but if you really want to write something that requires some power are you going to get it from HTML5?

    Even if you like one or both of Mac/Windows without any competition they will have no reason to innovate. Will they compete with one another? I doubt it, they haven't for most of the past. Instead one dominates while allowing the other to survive in order to avoid antitrust problems. We are going to see innovation slow down to what it was in the 80s and short of getting hired by Apple or Microsoft none of us will have a chance to contribute ourselves.

    We should be very afraid for the future.

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