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Chinese Court Orders Ban On Apple's iPad 190

zacharye writes "A lawyer representing Proview International on Monday announced that the Intermediate People's Court in Huizhou, a city in southern China, ruled that distributors should stop selling iPads in China. From the article: 'The ruling, which was also reported widely in China's state media, may not have a far-reaching effect. In its battle with Apple, Proview is utilizing lawsuits in several places and also requesting commercial authorities in 40 cities to block iPad sales. Apple Inc. said in a statement Monday that its case is still pending in mainland China. The company has appealed to Guangdong's High Court against an earlier ruling in Proview's favor.'"
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Chinese Court Orders Ban On Apple's iPad

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  • Deja Vu (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Dexter Herbivore ( 1322345 ) on Monday February 20, 2012 @11:32AM (#39099619) Journal

    "Proview International's shares have been suspended from trading on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange since August 2010 and reports say it is deep in debt. It will be delisted in June if it cannot show it has sufficient assets, business operations and working capital."

    SCO Mark 2?

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by andydread ( 758754 )
      And Proview OWNS the trademark and has DENIED that its Taiwan affiliate had the rights to sell the trademark for use in mainland China. So no not SCO Mark 2. However Apple's suing Open-Source over trivial silly software-patents is SCO Mark 2.
      • by sribe ( 304414 )

        And Proview OWNS the trademark and has DENIED that its Taiwan affiliate had the rights to sell the trademark for use in mainland China.

        Their own emails, presented in the court case in Taiwan, established that they are lying about this.

      • And Proview OWNS the trademark and has DENIED that its Taiwan affiliate had the rights to sell the trademark for use in mainland China.

        At this point couldn't Apple turn around and sue the Taiwan office for selling something it didn't have, finish off the company with that legal battle (as they are already close being shut down duw to debt) and buy the trademark in the resulting fire-sale?

        They know Proview (Taiwan) had no right to sell them that trademark, Proview have stated this in a court of law (presumably under oath though I know little of the Chinese legal system but I assume they have concepts equivalent to out oaths and purgery l

        • The Taiwan company is another company. One that apparently doesn't have the trademark rights, so if you bankrupted them that doesn't bankrupt the Chinese company and they Taiwanese edition can't fire sale a trademark they don't own.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, 2012 @11:33AM (#39099647)

    looks like Apple should have patented the concept of Suing the competiton out of business.

  • Move? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by busyqth ( 2566075 ) on Monday February 20, 2012 @11:35AM (#39099653)
    I wonder what would happen if Apple told Foxconn to transition their work to another country (say India) within 18 months.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      it would lock out apple from the chinese market - which is bigger than the us one....

    • Re:Move? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by El Torico ( 732160 ) on Monday February 20, 2012 @11:42AM (#39099705)
      Foxconn would laugh, continue to make the iCrap, and sell it under their own (or Proview's) brand. Outsourcing to China by the US has created a new economic superpower/monster that doesn't need the US any more.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        That would last for all of a few months to a year before they're no longer are capable of making the actual products and instead are just making outdated stuff or knock-offs, and there is no Chinese appliance computer maker with the design (both industrial and GUI) skills of Apple. Generally, if you buy knock-off electronics, well, they're of knock-off quality -- i.e., shitty. Your idea doesn't seem like a long-term plan for continued revenues.

        • I recall people saying the same thing about Japan and then about South Korea. The Chinese should not be underestimated.
          Foxconn might take a hit if they blatantly screwed over Apple, but I find it extremely unlikely that Cisco, HP, Vizio, Toshiba, and the rest of Foxconn's customers would wean themselves off of that low cost producer. One or two might, but only if they either thought long term or found an even lower cost producer.
      • by gutnor ( 872759 )
        Yes - they produce but don't consume enough to keep their production level. So the problem is not as clear cut as you think. China need the US and the rest of the Western World to be wealthy enough to fund China rise to power, and once they have risen to power, they will just be another Japan. So when it is rough for the US, it is also rough for China. The difference is that rough in the US means people losing stuff, and rough in China means conditions not improving for people that have already nothing.
      • Yup. There's nothing unprecedented in what you assert. Chinese companies and the Chinese government have done this numerous times with various imported technologies. They lure these large businesses in with cheap labor and manufacturing and once the technology arrives, they shut them down and start making it for themselves.

    • Nothing. This has nothing to do with Foxconn. Apple would still not be able to SELL ipads in Mainland China that's point here. Has nothing to do with manufacturing.
    • Re:Move? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Necroman ( 61604 ) on Monday February 20, 2012 @12:03PM (#39099907)

      Doubtful. While I have not directly worked with manufacturing of goods from Apac countries, I have heard many stories from people that do.

      China is an ideal place to manufacture goods for a number of reasons. The biggest I've seen are infrastructure and cost. On the infrastructure side, China invest a lot of money over the last 20 years to build a great transport system to move goods around the country. This makes it easier for small components suppliers to get their goods to manufacturers, which can then easily get their goods to major transport hubs to leave the country (be it a port or airport). The second major reason is cost. The Chinese government doesn't impose large fees when it comes to exporting goods from their country; combine this with cheap labor and its a great place to manufacture goods.

      On the flip side there is India. This country has a horrible infrastructure. Just ask anyone what it is like getting around that country. Transport of goods from inland cities to a port or major airport is expensive and near impossible for larger items (like cars). On top of that, I believe India charges a large amount to export goods from their country. This is why India has become a hub for desk workers (phone centers, programmers, whatever) rather than a manufacturing country.

    • I think in the event they lose on appeal, They will rename the device "for use in China" and be done with it. The WalMart prices on labor in China is too important to Apple. There are all sorts of ways Apple could rename it that would make it even more appealing to the Chinese... "The people's pad"? "Ai-Pad"? "iTab" and lots more than I can think of with my limited imagination. And it wouldn't be the first time we have seen a product change its name when sold in another country. What's the deal with t

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Mr.123 ( 661787 )
      It's already happening.

      Report: Apple Has Opened a New iPad Factory in Brazil,2817,2392962,00.asp []

  • Chinese nationalism vs. Chinese gadget lust

    The immovable object meets the irresistible force - get your tickets now!

  • I wonder, with this lawsuit gaining ground recently, did Proview not realize that Apple has been using the iPad trademark for years until now? And this started up around the same time as Apple was investigating conditions at its component manufacturer's sites and popular media jumped on the story. Is this China's way of retaliating to Apple and the US media? I find it hard to think that a Chinese corporation could sue Apple without the involvement the Party.
    • by jo_ham ( 604554 )

      No, it's Proview's attempt to make some money - they're in financial trouble now and are looking for a fast buck.

  • So many of these companies just need to diversify manufacturing out of china so they're not so dependent. It would also give them leverage. China is in a great position to dictate terms and few companies have a means to respond.

  • Because the US is just way too anti-business!
  • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Monday February 20, 2012 @01:37PM (#39100925) Journal

    Take the iPad out of China; sell it in all the surrounding countries. Anybody know what the sales number is for iPads in mainland China? Apple can take the Chinese strategy of just "wait them out." It's not like the iPad market is going to live or die on Chinese sales, and they're already worried about meeting demand for iPads every time a new one pops up.

    Meanwhile, get an agent to pursue purchase of the assets of the nearly defunct ProView.

    • by msobkow ( 48369 )

      An international conglomerate give up a potential share of the market without a fight?


  • Not a problem (Score:3, Informative)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Monday February 20, 2012 @01:39PM (#39100937) Journal
    FoxxConn is already producing their own fPad for sale in China. It is half the price of an iPad and looks, and runs exactly like an iPad.
  • The Chinese will still just sell cheap knockoffs "iiPadds" to one another like they do abroad.

  • I hear foxconn has a couple

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