iOS 5 Jailbroken 135
Mightee writes "MuscleNerd of the iPhone Dev Team has posted some pictures on his twitter account, confirming the jailbreak works fine on iOS 5, but of course it is limited to tethered boot only, which means you will have to connect it to your computer on every reboot. According to his initial testing, Cydia appears to be working just fine on his jailbroken 4th-gen iPod touch; he managed to install an SSHing utility app called iSSH successfully, which can be seen in one of the screenshots below."
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Don't forget about the fact that CmdrTaco has a 2 millimeter penis long penis.
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2 millimeter penis long penis.
Somewhat redundant, but possibly grammatically and factually correct.
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Forbidden, forbidden, and forbidden.
of course (Score:2, Insightful)
"but of course it is limited to tethered boot only". Does the word "of course" in there mean it assumes I knew this already, or find it very evident that this is so?
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"but of course it is limited to tethered boot only". Does the word "of course" in there mean it assumes I knew this already, or find it very evident that this is so?
But of course.
It blows my mind (Score:3, Interesting)
That people would put up with having to jump through so many hoops just to have a jailbroken iPhone.
Don't get me wrong; I like Apple products. But Apple seems to go to such lengths to prevent the end user from using the phone in the way they want it just boggles my mind that so many supposed geeks here on /. still want to be part of that experience.
Personally I'm on WebOS. While it's a miniscule platform compared to iOS, "jailbreaking" it isn't even necessary. Just punch in the konami code and you are i
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I can run anything I want on my iPhone without all this silly jailbreaking BS, though it does require a yearly $99 tax for the privledge, the experience is far enough above and beyond all other devices that the $99/year compared to the $1500/year or so for cell service it doesn't seem to be nearly as big a deal as it sounds at first.
If you want a cheap hackable phone, the iPhone clearly isn't it, but its fairly easy to run anything you want as a techie, which, lets face it, pretty much the only people who c
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the $1500/year or so for cell service
Seriously? Wow.
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$99 a year to lease the rights to use your own device is not a big deal?
Please mail me $100 a year to drive your car over 55mph.
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If you start providing free maintenance and updates to my car - regardless of whether I pay you the $99/yr - then I'll consider it.
PS - Car analogies fail.
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Either way this $99 to rent the right to use your device is a sick system. We really needs laws against this sort of thing.
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Ownership of a good would come with control of it in a healthy system. This current iphone method has all the failings of leasing/renting, lack of full control and recurring payments for full usability, with none of the advantages like replacement in case of damage.
I fail to see how this would hurt anyone who runs a phone company. HTC seems to be doing just fine, same with carriers. This seems to just be about keeping control of hardware in the hands of those blessed by apple.
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No, just the law to recognize that this is leasing or renting and if not sold that way then it is fraud.
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Uh, you'll have to keep paying that $99/yr long after updates are no longer available for your phone, and you don't get free maintenance of any kind with that - just updates.
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He's referring the Apple Developer program. For $99/yr you get access to their provisioning portal where you can grab a certificate and provisioning profile that allows you to develop for the iPhone. There are a LOT of things you can do with your iPhone apps, on an iPhone, that would never see the light of day in the app store, but can still be performed in an iPhone app on a non-jailbroken iPhone.
Of course, that also means that to take advantage of any such apps, you would need the source code in order to
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You don't need the code, just an unsigned binary blob which you can run codesign on.
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Don't get me wrong; I like Apple products. But Apple seems to go to such lengths to prevent the end user from using the phone in the way they want it just boggles my mind that so many supposed geeks here on /. still want to be part of that experience.
Have you seen the articles about Android and opening up permissions for apps? Heh.
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4.3.1-4.3.3 inclusive all have untethered exploits, courtesy of i0nic. I'm running 4.3.3 untethered on my iPad 1.
Well that didn't take long. (Score:2)
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I wasn't aware it was even on the horizon. Looking at the list of features, it seems like they are doing a nice job of copying Android 3.0.
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I have a couple of Android devices (2.2 and 3.0) and they don't do that. He's probably got a load of dodgy widgets running on his desktop. It's the Windows of mobile phones in that it lets you install anything you want, yes. Accordingly, dumb people should stick to iOS.
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It matters a lot, go try to install scummvm, or a tethering app. Either users get freedom or they lose choice.
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It matters a lot, go try to install scummvm, or a tethering app. Either users get freedom or they lose choice.
Yeah, I just can't imagine how the iOS users stand only having 300,000 or so malware-free apps. The restrictions are horrible. Simply horrible.
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I don't get what I'm supposed to be doing with 300.000 apps; to me it just makes the SNR that much higher - at least on Android I get a search function build by someone with the ability to call up people who knows how to make searches...
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Don't be TOO smug, Google did pull all of the tethering apps from their market [androidcommunity.com], and if the main feature you want on your new Android phone is "Delete my VZ Navigator," you're SOL without jailbreaking, so you're back where the iPhone people are.
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No matter what google does you can still install from outside the market. Meaning that wired tether can be done without rooting.
Try knowing what you are talking about, before you say something.
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Oh I know, but I doubt more than 10% of Android users ever go anywhere other than the market for apps, and it does sorta ruin the possibility that anybody could ever sell a tethering app for money; and that doesn't dispose of my second point, homeslice.
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You can sell apps outside the market, the amazon app store is one location. You could even sell them from your own website if you wanted too.
Not sure what you mean about me not disposing of your second point, but root is not needed for wired tether.
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You can sell apps outside the market, the amazon app store is one location. You could even sell them from your own website if you wanted too.
Without the placement on the store you're doomed. No one outside a few enthusiasts will know you exist -- if you're going to sell Android apps, placement in the Market (and the cobranding and Google imprimatur) is obligatory, otherwise you're just some hack selling Palm software on a rack at the Office Depot circa 2001.
Not sure what you mean about me not disposing of your second point, but root is not needed for wired tether.
If you buy a Motorola, how do you delete MOTOBLUR without rooting? If you buy a Verizon phone, how do delete VZ Navigator without rooting?
It's the whole point really. People whine about Ap
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Without the placement on the store you're doomed. No one outside a few enthusiasts will know you exist -- if you're going to sell Android apps, placement in the Market (and the cobranding and Google imprimatur) is obligatory, otherwise you're just some hack selling Palm software on a rack at the Office Depot circa 2001.
Amazon app store disagrees with you, it is doing quite well.
If you buy a Motorola, how do you delete MOTOBLUR without rooting? If you buy a Verizon phone, how do delete VZ Navigator without r
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It seems like you can only get an open Android phone by disposing of most of what would make Android appealing and competitive.
I was recently looking for a milspec phone possibly to replace the iPhone. There are a few, but they're Motorola and ship with Eclair, today, which makes me oh-so-curious as to wether they (or Sprint) will get around to updating them. And even better, they aren't GSM and Cyanogenmod doesn't support them. So I can either have a backward phone that might or might not run the future
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Unless the carrier disables installation of non-market apps.
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Does it mean my options for installing apps are somewhat limited? Maybe, but in practice it really doesn't matter that much.
I think you may be glossing over some of the other obvious benefits of Android over the iPhone that are just as important. Things like choice of form factor for example. Some people like devices with slide out keyboards like the Samsung Epic 4G or blackberry-esque business phones like the Droid Pro. People, at least in the US, like to have a choice of carrier. Sprint and T-Mobile have Android, they don't have iPhones. And don't discount the widget loving contingent of Android users. Many people like t
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Some people also like to be able to always run the latest OS without jailbreaking or waiting for their carrier modulo their OEM to get their act together.
I don't have a Discover card either, I dunno how I survive without the added options. T-Mobile still exists?
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Some people also like to be able to always run the latest OS without jailbreaking or waiting for their carrier modulo their OEM to get their act together.
Yeah, some people do. I'd bet it's mostly nerds (like myself) that run around on tech blogs more so than the general population. Normal people buy an appliance when they get a cell phone and that's what they want. You don't upgrade the OS on an appliance. Smartphones in particular are complicated. People that aren't nerds have a hard enough time just getting used to how it is out of the box, do you really think that just when they are starting to feel cool using their new device that they want the rug
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If people don't care about having the latest Android, then it's very questionable if they care very much about having any Android.
I think you miss my point -- it's
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I think you miss my point -- it's not that they could afford them, it's that they had no preference for them. People are just buying the default and the features and market differentiation of Android is having only marginal effect. Android isn't bought because people want it, it's bought because it's what's on the shelf. Android users could become Windows users next week if Microsoft makes a better deal with Samsung and Verizon than Google makes, Android users aren't sticky. Google's completely dependent upon the carriers and OEMs to distribute their OS, and it's up to them what will run on their phones -- the bulk of the users clearly don't give a damn and will use any old thing as long as it has a touchscreen and plays movies and the web browser doesn't suck
So, the crux of your argument is basically a series of anti-Android talking points that have no basis in any verifiable fact whatsoever and is just regurgitated on tech forums to fuel the fud flames and keep the fanboys happy? Got it.
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That's why we're here, isn't it? :)
Make a positive argument -- I'm just riffing here, lay out why I'm wrong. Don't complain that my argument is defective thus you're right.
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The "meteoric rise" in Android might also have something to do with the legion of really cheap Android phones - people are wanting to get in on this whole "smartphone" thing, but don't want to pay a great deal.
Unfortunately, this is a double edged sword for Android - the cheap handsets help marketshare growth in an area that Apple is simply not competing in, but it can leave a negative impression of the platform as a whole.
I've used some beautiful Android phones, and I have used some really, really poor one
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All Apple OSes are inherently tied to their hardware (or at least, they try to be).
It's always been that way since the first Apple computers, and there's no reason to think it will change. So pointing to the variety of hardware available on Android is a valid plus point.
The parallel to Windows is that it's popular and can run on a multitude of hardware, that seems about it. It's the same as OSX and Linux when it comes to malware too - but for the fact that those OSes aren't quite so popular. In fact it's sl
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I'm not. She's really trying to solve the problem and she is tech savvy, but it is looking like it will be easier to just reinstall.
You are taking an anecdotal situation of a particular user's bad experience and using it as an indictment of the whole platform. Sure, a side effect of being able to download what you want when you want is going to manifest itself in facebook-widget-weatherbug service-itis until the phone slows to a crawl. And not every Android dev is a hotshot. A particular example is up until honeycomb, you could run any downloading in the same thread as the UI thus blocking the app from updating its interface until wh
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Yes, I get that those problems are a side effect of flexibility and choice, but dont' try to pretend the the problems aren't there.
The problem of driving a car is having to get gas. The problem of living in a free society is having to pay taxes. You don't have a point other than stating the obvious.
Because it is ALL the apps that are launching.
Bull. "ALL" of her apps are not launching on boot. Please stop lying or better inform yourself.
SHe's end up either uninstalling everything or doing it one by one, checking to see ifthe problem has gone away after each uninstall
Learn to use your phone. In the settings, there is an option called "Applications". It will tell you everything that is running at that moment. Use common sense to figure out what app is causing a problem. App downloads lots of data from the
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With all due respect, fuck off. You don't get to say "with all due respect" after accusing me of lying and talking down to me like I'm an idiot.
Awww... you mad, bro? [googleusercontent.com]
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Every benefit you mentioned (aside from form-factor) can be achieved through jailbreaking/unlocking. Since I like the iPhone form factor just fine, I'll stick with that.
Well, of course, with enough effort and dedication, any software limitation can be broken through. Hell, if you had enough money and manpower, you could rewrite the entire OS to your liking. The only thing is, the points I outlined are available to everybody making the choice of an Android device while what you have here is only available to the vanishingly small proportion of the population that is willing and able to do a jailbreak. Now, I'm not denigrating this as I have immediately rooted every Andro
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Well, a coworker with a new Android phone said to me how the battery life was atrocious. I had a look, told her to turn off WiFi and Bluetooth when she wasn't using them (and put a widget on her desktop to monitor these things, if it wasn't already there, I can't remember), and the next day she was saying how amazing the battery life was. I would have thought the iPhone had the same issues there though.
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Unable to reproduce this fault on an iPhone, it'll run the day or two and the only time I ever go into the wifi menu is when I specifically don't want it to join things -- so I'm turning it off not to save power, but, ironically, to avoid getting bugged by a bunch of modal, non-Androidy notifications.
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What? Choosing to have your wireless enabled, bluetooth enabled, brightness high, etc are not "faults", they're user choices. The same woman said her husband had an app to reduce power usage on his iPhone, which I assume did things like disable unused wireless connections.
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What? Choosing to have your wireless enabled, bluetooth enabled, brightness high, etc are not "faults", they're user choices.
I would say that having to switch these off for the sake of power resource management is a fault-- you really shouldn't have to worry about it. Switching it off because you really don't want to use wifi, because the plane's landing or you're in some sort of high-security or EMR-controlled area, is a legit reason.
I dunno how such an app (on a non-jailbroken iPhone) would work, a 3rd party app cannot switch the wifi on and off, that's a plain security hole, because it would allow malware to do denial of serv
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I would say that having to switch these off for the sake of power resource management is a fault
That's like saying that you should just keep your car's engine running 24/7 in case you need to use it, that your computer's fans should just be spinning at max all day, that your HDD should never spin down, etc. It doesn't make sense to waste energy like that, especially when you're not connected to the mains, and given the state of current battery/wireless tech.
If your device is Wi-Fi only, it's fine to leave it on, but on devices that also have 3G on all the time, you need all the power you can get. My p
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Don't forget the handsets. A fair few flagship handsets, like the HTC Evo 4G, have had pretty atrocious battery life due to their hardware.
That's not necessarily fair on Android, because there are as many handsets with acceptable battery life as there are with mediocre battery life. But the mediocre ones are the ones that you hear about, and the reputation can stick. And there aren't any touch-screen smartphones that can come close to the battery life of older, dumber feature phones, simply because they'
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Nah, had they copied Android they'd have problems with apps randomly starting and draining the battery. I actually talked to an Android user the other day who was talking about reinstalling the OS because of app/battery problems. Between that a recent malware problems, I wonder if Android is the Windows of mobile phones. (yes, I know there is literally a WIndows for mobile phones already)
Yeah, it's a real shame that iOS is so deficient in features!
Re:Well that didn't take long. (Score:4, Funny)
They copied everything but the ads and carrier brown-nosing.
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Well, can you blame them? Poor old Steve, sitting hunched over the phone for hour after hour, waiting, praying, hoping that somersault will call...
"But Steve!" says Jonny. "The only sensible way to do notifications is to show a list of notifications!"
"But Steve!" says Scott. "We have to bring it up with a gesture, there's nowhere else to add a universal UI element!"
"To hell with you all!" snarled Steve. "somersault will think of a way to do it where we won't be accused of copying Android! He must think of a
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You mean it didn't have notifications before?
I wasn't blaming anything, it's sensible to copy good ideas.
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BUT BUT BUT APPLE SAID iOS IS ALREADY YEARS AHEAD!!!!
"With iOS 5, we’ve added over 200 new features — taking a mobile operating system that was already years ahead of anything else and moving it even further ahead. " - Apple.com
How do they get away with that? The problem is, people believe it because they said it.
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Lies!
The original Android was a clone of Blackberry.
It was only after the iPhone came out that it became a clone of iOS....
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There were Android prototypes predating the iPhone announcement, like the HTC Omni [engadget.com] and this rather suggestive keyboard candybar [techcrunch.com] (doesn't look like an iPhone to me). Remember, Android was a company that had been developing their software for years before Google bought it.
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There were Android prototypes predating the iPhone announcement, like the HTC Omni and this rather suggestive keyboard candybar (doesn't look like an iPhone to me). Remember, Android was a company that had been developing their software for years before Google bought it.
So what you mean is it's extra clear that they were copying the iPhone.
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Not really, I think they were just happy to copy whatever was winning that quarter. The suggestion that Android was a premeditated feature-for-feature counterstrike against the iPhone is false, but it's clear that Android absorbed the post-iPhone reality (let's put it that way, shall we?) a lot faster than RIM, Microsoft, Sony-Ericsson, Nokia, etc. did.
Obviously the Android developers have their own ideas about what should be in a phone, but one of their biggest ones is "match our competitors in features."
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You know that Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board during that time, right?
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Are you saying he absconded with the secret plans, Snidely Whiplash-style? I like my iPhones but Google had a mobile strategy just as long as Apple probably did; they did buy Android in 2005, and their prototypes gave no impression of apeing the iPhone until after the iPhone announcement. As far as I can tell Google was full steam ahead to sell GoogBerry's until at least late 2007, when the whole landscape was in the leading edge of iPhone disruption.
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You've got an executive on the inside, you've got Google with intimate knowledge of the phone long before-hand (Google Maps / Youtube integration), and you've got RIM as the king of the world even after the G1's release. Did they hastily copy Apple at the last minute, or did they buy Android to copy them? I don't know and you don't know. There's easily enough there, though, to cast doubt on the idea that after the iPhone started to take off, Google suddenly said "ooh yeah we should totally ape that!"
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Which was a 'clone' of OSX, which was a 'clone' of Mach, which was a 'clone' of BSD, which was a 'clone' of Unix, and so on and so forth.
I'm pretty sure that they were referring to the general UI design.
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And how is it a "clone" of BSD when the vast majority of the OS X APIs and software have nothing to do with the tacked on BSD part for the UNIX certification?
The vast majority of OS X APIs are heavily dependent on libc (FreeBSD libc + some Apple extensions) and on the kernel's BSD subsystem...
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A fair proportion of OS X has its roots in BSD. In the kernel, the virtual file system and the network stack were originally taken directly from BSD. The system call API has BSD semantics and quite a lot of the command line utilities are ported from BSD. The BSD part was there from the start, long before OS X achieved Unix certification.
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If you want to make fanboys squirm, it's good to start by not being wrong. Apple changed an entire industry. Google copied their work and have so far made only obvious, incremental improvements.
I'm not saying this isn't praiseworthy, but being over-congratulatory is a far more myopic worldview than one that fairly acknowledges Apple's initial hammer-blow followed by steady (if slow) improvements.
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People keep assuming so much about my views. Apple definitely changed things for the better. They gave the smart phone world a kick in the ass. I always felt that mobile hardware was far in advance of the software/UI up until iOS shook things up. Looking at the list of updates in iOS5, they also have implemented some ideas from Android 3 (and earlier).
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Sure it was, I just felt like poking some fun at the fanbois. It's funny to watch them squirm when their worldview is conflicted.
Heh. "I meant to do that."
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I did o_0 There's nothing contradictory about Android copying iOS when it first came out, and iOS copying Android now. I just wanted to point it out to those who seem to think that Apple is always light years ahead of everyone else.
503 smoking hole (Score:2)
Was this an intentional DDoS or just a superfail on the part of the editorship?
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Probably just a slashdotting.
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This is a better link, and is where the images in the linked article are being hot-linked from anyway ...
http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-ios-5-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-successful-tethered-only/ [redmondpie.com]
Only on iPod Touch 4gen (Score:2)
Wow Moron Alert (Score:3)
ISSH is an App store app...(Yes I did RTFA and look at the pics)
Please stop posting summaries from uninformed idiots.
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I never claimed the article was wrong, only that the summary was written by an uniformed idiot.
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If he had installed an app available only through Cydia and not itunes, I don't know why that would be more convincing. Maybe for some reason iSSH was the only one that worked on iOS5?
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TFA does not mention iSsh coming from Cydia. They do show tethering app in Cydia. Real issue is the posting of summaries written by uninformed idiots.
iSSH is not for jailbreaks (Score:3)
iSSH is just* a SSH client, available from the App Store. Installing it means nothing. TFA should have referred to installing OpenSSH server and connecting to it through [something like] iSSH.
*by just, I don't discount the amazing featureset of the program, including tunneling, VNC and X11. It's a "must have" app.
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The article description is a fail. One of the screen shots shows an iSSH session logged into what appears to be his iPod touch.
Jailbreak for iSSH? (Score:2)
Wow, I GOTTA jailbreak mine so I can get iSSH! oh, wait, that's right, I've got TouchTerm which looks quite a bit better.
And yes, I know there are other reasons to Jailbreak, but none have really been a big deal to me. Notifications and lock screen info are the only two reasons that persuade me enough to do it and well, they're part of iOS5. So, nothing to see here, moving along.
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Tethered != Jailbroken (Score:2)
I'm sorry, but a jailbroken device can fucking reboot without being plugged in. If it needs to be plugged in, its just a crappy hack, not a completed jailbreak.
The only people who think that this tethered shit is a jailbreak are the hax0rs who didn't finish the job.
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Oh good, thank god you're here to enlighten us as to where the line is drawn on jailbreaks. We might have all been confused and thought it was actually completed.
On a different note, how often do people actually reboot their phones other than when installing an OS update? I'm thinking probably never.
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I don't have an iPhone, but what happens when it runs out of batteries? My android reboots when I plug it back in.
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I don't have an iPhone, but what happens when it runs out of batteries?
Before the battery is totally gone it goes into some low power mode where the phone cannot actually be used until charged. Pressing the button to wake it just shows some red battery thing on screen.
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Motorola Droid.
I never rooted it, I just flashed an OS that already had root.
Also the Nexus line of phones is still being sold, so not sure what you mean about google not selling phones.
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No, the difference is that rather than exploiting a security bug I got an OS with su built in.
Jailbreaking and "rooting" normally refer to things like rageagainstthecage which in that case uses a udev exploit that any app could attack.
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Since you do not have the source and could not therefore patch the vulnerabilities no it is not that same at all.