2011 MacBook Pros Confirmed To Crash Under Load 501
sammcj writes "2011 MacBook crashing under heavy load?... you are not alone. While trying to figure out what was wrong with my fancy new MacBook I soon realized that the issue is very widespread."
Well of course (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you want a list of Dell models that my employer has concluded have design flaws or do you just want to fling mud at Apple? (here's a hint: Every manufacturer has issues with their machines, including Apple).
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Funny)
Uhm, not to be impolite, but I must ask.
Are you sure you can?, won't your MacBook crash while handling such a huge list?
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Oh, I've never owned a Macbook. My only portable machines at the moment are a Lenovo Ideapad and a Dell Precision M4440 (the Ideapad being the reliable one, the M4400 seems to enjoy having random drivers crash).
Re:Well of course (Score:4)
Cheap Dell's are a roll of the dice. I've got a 1545 that works flawlessly now that I wiped the malware off that it came with and installed Ubuntu. Not bad for 400 bucks.
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Funny)
for us trolls uids are very useful.
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Not every company has the balls to charge 2k for 1k in hardware, and 1k in software that is built off of free software... that then freezes under load.
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Funny)
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Do you want a list of Dell models that my employer has concluded have design flaws or do you just want to fling mud at Apple? (here's a hint: Every manufacturer has issues with their machines, including Apple).
As long as you provide a list of Dell models that did not have problems of this magnitude.
Then provide a list of Apple models that have had serious design flaws and compare it to the list of those that haven't.
Dell release 20 or so laptop models or more a year, Apple releases 3, the price of failure is higher for Apple because they have not diversified as much as Dell.
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Insightful)
So if Apple adopted Dell's "run it up the flagpole, and see who salutes" hardware strategy, they'd have Dell's vast profit and valuation?
Wow. I'm sure they'll get right on destroying their business and profit margins in a rush to the bottom, now that you've suggested it.
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To an extent, yes, every manufacturer has released machines with hardware problems. However, the "Apple Tax" is supposedly justified by machines with premium engineering that "just work". This sure sounds a whole lot like a serious cooling problem, something that's simply unacceptable for a midrange laptop that costs $2k
Re:Well of course (Score:4, Insightful)
From what I've heard, being a "premium" Apple engineer is not so fun... You hear a lot of things like, "The outer metal band HAS to be the antenna, I don't care what the problem is, just make it work!"
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From what I've heard, being a "premium" Apple engineer is not so fun... You hear a lot of things like, "The outer metal band HAS to be the antenna, I don't care what the problem is, just make it work!"
Yes, because I always tell my CEO how our products are going to look and work.
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm waiting for someone to figure out what the real problem is before I pass judgment. It might be a design problem for Apple or it may have nothing to do with Apple. There's a list of serious of problems that have plagued PC makers for the last several years. The nVidia chip problem: Apple replaced boards even if out of warranty. I think Dell and other manufacturters had to do the same. The exploding battery problem: There was some serious ragging on Apple until practically all laptop manufacturers started to recall their batteries because the problem originated with their common supplier: Sony Battery. Just last month, PC makers might have to delay some product launches because of problems with Intel Sandy Bridge chipsets.
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Apparently you can't read:
I'm waiting for someone to figure out what the real problem is before I pass judgment. It might be a design problem for Apple or it may have nothing to do with Apple. There's a list of serious of problems that have plagued PC makers for the last several years.
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They used to just work. Now they only just work.
Lemons deserve mud (Score:3, Informative)
Do you want a list of Dell models that my employer has concluded have design flaws or do you just want to fling mud at Apple? (here's a hint: Every manufacturer has issues with their machines, including Apple).
Yes every company has the occasional lemon but they deserve to have mud flung at the lemon. It's part of the incentive system to get it right.
Part of the justification of higher prices for Macs is that they are of higher quality than Dells. So your argument is not convincing. Furthermore what percentage of Dell's laptop sales does your list represent? Are they high end models? Compare that to what percentage of Apple laptop sales the MacBook Pro represents and where the MacBook Pro stands with respect to
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Dells are cheap mass-produced trash- you get what you pay for, and no less than you expect.
If you pay nearly twice the going rate for a premium product, you might expect it to be somewhat closer to flawless. You expect your £100k Bentley to run perfectly, while you might forgive the Chevvy Matiz given away free with your Happy Meal for breaking down every time it rains.
Yes yes, I know, oblig.
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Super-cars are different. They earn their stripes by being stupidly high-performance, but suffer because they push the technological boundaries.
To bring Ferraris into our analogy- they'd be like paying 10 times the cost of a Dell Inspiron, but getting a machine with 10 times the high-performance hardware. Which is not how it works with Apple- there you get the same hardware, but allegedly superior build quality and user experience.
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Nobody buys a Ferrari or Lambo to get an ultra reliable sports car. Nor do they buy them to get an easy/comfortable to drive car.
Maybe a more apt comparison would be an Acura to a Chevy.
Re:Well of course (Score:4, Interesting)
"Every manufacturer has issues with their machines, including Apple"
I used to work as an Apple repair tech, at Flextronics.
I don't know how it is now, but not even 6 years ago 2/3 of the machines off the line were failures and needed refurbishing.
Apple managed to keep it quiet with a ton of bullshit.
I'm not aware of ANY manufacturer besides Apple with that shitty of a manufacturing record.
But that's what happens when you had your stuff manufactured in Guadalajara, Mexico.
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2/3 of the machines? Really?
Sounds like the plant should have been shut down and the manager fired if that was the case.
How many millions would have been thrown away if 2/3 of the machines coming off the line were non-functional?
Are you certain of your numbers?
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Difference being you don't pay £1000 for the spec included in a £400 Dell. (Sadly, not an understatement)
Oh? Which £400 dell has a quad core sandy bridge i7 in it?
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Informative)
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Considering that you can get a laptop with a quad core i7 in it for under $2000 CAD, a year ago (when I bought mine), I would not be surprised to find a desktop in the 400 pound range that has an i7 in it. Since I'm not shopping for it at the moment, I haven't looked at current pricing.
Re:Well of course (Score:4, Insightful)
Note: since the GP quoted in pounds i'm using UK prices from both dell and apple.
A £999 inc VAT and shipping (closest price in this list to £1000) macbook pro comes with a 13 inch screen and a 2.3GHz dual-core Intel Core i5. Unfortunately the model number wikipedia lists for the CPU doesn't seem to match up with anything on intels website but assuming the turbo is similar to the models that straddle it it would have a max turbo with all cores active arround 2.8 GHz. If you want a 15 inch machine with a quad core (there is no option for a 15 inch with a dual core or a 13 inch with a quad core that will set you back £1,549.00 inc VAT and shipping)
Comparing to dell it depends what you compare with. If you compare to the 13 inch vostro 3300 with an i5-480M then a machine with similar specs (older processor family but higher clockspeed so probablly overall similar) is £559.00 plus VAT and shipping which will put the total arround £700. OTOH if you compare to the 15 inch vostro line (in PC laptops 15 inch models tend to be cheaper than equivilent 13 inch models) then things get cheaper still.
So the GP was exaggerating a bit but still there is a fairly steep premium for apple hardware and this is compounded by apple's very limited selection which means you often end up buying far more than you actually require.
Re:Well of course (Score:4, Informative)
With that in mind, and the fact that the dell now costs £999 and is still slower, and still has less battery, no, you've not come close.
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Intel "Sandy Bridge" Core i7 2.2GHz
4GB DDR3 SDRAM
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1 GB GDDR5
17" 1920x1200 16:10 aspect LED backlit display
750GB SATA hard drive @ 5400 RPM
DVD burner
Illuminated keyboard
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$2500
vs
ASUS G Series G73SW
Intel "Sandy Bridge" Core i7 2.0GHz
8GB DDR3 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M 1.5GB GDDR5
17.3" 1920x1080 16:9 aspect LED backlit, 120Hz 3D display w/3D glasses
1TB (500GB SATA hard drive with Hybrid SSD x2) @ 7200 RPM
Blu-Ray burner
Illuminated keyboard
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Yep, the 17" MacBook Pro is very poorly priced, and I wouldn't try to argue that it was well priced. That doesn't mean that the 13" and 15" aren't reasonably priced though. This discussion though was over whether you could get a £400 dell that matched a £1000 MacBook Pro. At the moment, it seems you can't even get a £1000 dell that matches the £1000 MacBook Pro.
So basically – your comment is entirely off the topic of the thread.
An aside – I'd most definitely hand the M
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Also, for a gimmick 3D sure has taken off in a huge way.
There's a difference between "taking off in a huge way" and "being forced to buy a 3D screen because it's the only 1080p upgrade available." That's like saying OBD-II [wikipedia.org] was responsible for all the cars sold after 1996. Hell, every car had it! That shit was awesome, brah!
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Unless it crashes.
Gold plated (Score:3, Insightful)
Last time I went and customised a laptop to have everything my macbook pro like a lit keyboard and bluetooth (yes Dell considered that an extra) it was reach the same price.
This type of argument has been bogus for *many* years, ie "but Macs have SCSI drives" of decades past. Its not the features present its the features actually needed/used. Macs have often been "gold plated" to a degree, including features only a small number of high end users needed/wanted. It is honest to say this inflates the price for more ordinary users. Last time I took a close look, a few years ago, the MacBook looked like to be a better deal than the MacBook Pro due to the "gold plating". The ordinary
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Its not the features present its the features actually needed/used
My 2007 MacBook Pro has two features that I've not used: the dual-link DVI (only used it as single-link) and the ExpressCard slot, and I may end up using the ExpressCard slot to add an eSATA port in the future. I'm not really sure which features you consider to be 'gold plating' for these machines.
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Its not the features present its the features actually needed/used
My 2007 MacBook Pro has two features that I've not used: the dual-link DVI (only used it as single-link) and the ExpressCard slot, and I may end up using the ExpressCard slot to add an eSATA port in the future. I'm not really sure which features you consider to be 'gold plating' for these machines.
We could start with the two examples the original post offered as nice features. A lighted keyboard and bluetooth, I think it reasonable for such things to be optional. I'm sure we could make a longer list but I think the point has been made.
Re:Gold plated (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm puzzled. "Argument?" "Bogus?" To whom? If you want a computer that runs MacOS, you buy a Mac. If you don't, you can buy whatever you want, Mac or non-Mac. And you buy the Mac that does what you need, if you buy a Mac. I have a 13" MBP because I do not want the extra weight. I'd have to have a *really good reason* to spend the extra money for a 15" or 17"--not just to show off. My wife just got a 15", because she needs the extra screen real estate. Her backpack weighs a *ton*.
These aren't arguments--they're explanations for why the person making the explanation made the choice they made. You aren't that person, and you might not make the same choice given the same constraints for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't mean that the person's choice was "bogus," or that their explanation is wrong.
I will admit that I get a little ticked off when my non-geek friends buy Windows machines and then expect me to help them when they melt down, but if you're willing to be responsible for the downsides of your choice, buy what *you* want. Who cares what some guy on Slashdot thinks? If I were a Windows geek I'd probably feel the same way about my friends buying Macs and expecting me to help when they melt down.
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The metal case closes the deal for me. There are a couple models from Dell and Leveno that are metal, but they aren't unibody and they aren't any cheaper than apple. I don't think it's gold plating because it's a real factor of long term durability.
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You get what you pay for. Oh wait. Defend this one, Apple fans.
This is a 'Crisitunity' [urbandictionary.com] for Apple. They never do a good job addressing these things which is surprising considering they do such a great job with pre-sale marketing & PR.
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Pre-sale marketing & PR gets the sale (i.e. money).
Everything else doesn't matter. The people will buy whatever you sell them and keep buying, even if it doesn't work.
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Interesting)
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You get what you pay for. Oh wait. Defend this one, Apple fans.
This story is false and any evidence to the contrary merely coincidence.
Further more, we are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia.
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Apple has made lemons before, actually called Road Apples. From time to time they do make mistakes and of course when you charge a premium for hardware it's inevitable that you'll catch a lot of grief when you mess up. They tend to be slow to admit mistakes too. When they finally realize it's inevitable they'll bite the bullet and fix the problem but in the meantime it can be ugly. If I bought a laptop for 2 grand and it choked on video transcoding and other processor intensive stuff like these seem to
Re:Well of course (Score:4, Interesting)
Wrong. Other manufacturers fix the problems before they become problems or communicate with the people that it is a problem and fix it after, even if that means recalls or refurbishment. Apple has such a huge ego they think that you are one of their little peons and you should be grateful to even own one of their products.
Really? You mean how Sony somewhat shifted the blame of their exploding batteries onto Dell saying that it was somehow Dell's designs that exacerbated the problem. Dell and Apple recalled the batteries before Sony did. In the end, Sony had to recall batteries from many different laptop manufacturers.
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Informative)
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But what Mac Joe user will know what SSH is?
Re:Well of course (Score:5, Insightful)
Hilarious. You know, because OSX shits all over the command line, unlike Windows.
Oh wait, never mind. Damn near all of the OS is configurable from it. And it's a real shell (bash) and utilities, not cmd.exe. Hell, they even have an X11 server on the install disk.
Call me a fanboi if you'd like, but I don't think it's unreasonable to have a powerful Unix machine that most of my favorite Linux software runs without modification on - and then not have to fuck with it to keep it working.
Oh come on !!! Give them a slack !! (Score:2)
dont dare say anything in contrast - else endless legions of applebois will talk smack to you and prove that those apples didnt crash.
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As I used a mac at work for many years, I wanted to add my two cents, and I commented that macs, as every computer, do have problems, malware and security issues, but are in general great computers. Surprisingly I was cruci
2011 MBP a stinker? (Score:3, Insightful)
What does Apple have to say one the build quality concerns? The last thing they need is to be considered no better than HP, Gateway, and Dell. Overall I don't think laptops are built "fit for purpose" and haven't been since the IBM days (although business laptops are better). I love all the Dell laptops with 2 hours battery life out-of-the-bx in particular, very useful concept...
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The Santa Rosa one I have was bad as well. I've got through 2 GPUs and now it has a habit of locking up with the screen flashing every now and then.
My old Powerbook G4 was awesome though, I think the move to Intel may have been more of an exercise in cheaper manufacturing than technical excellence.
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Re:2011 MBP a stinker? (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't vouch for their newest model. It may be utter shit. But having gone through the process of pricing up laptops to get everything I have in my macbook it would cost nearly as much or more in some cases. Part of the reason for this is it seems to be nearly impossible to get an SSD in a laptop which seems retarded but you're looking at quite a big bump up in the price to add the equivalent sized SSD into a Wintel laptop.
Again even if you do get all those things it will still be in a cheap plastic case, it will almost certainly still be thicker, run warmer and louder. I don't think it's any surprise a lot of developers can be seen with Macbooks even if they aren't running OS X. The hardware is quality and it's built in such a way that you end up with something that resembles what a laptop should be rather than some big ugly plastic thing that gives you back pains carrying it around.
People need to take a break from their anti-apple circle jerk and remember that the newest macbook features brand new technology in it like Intel's Thunderbolt. It is just as likely that can cause problems even if you're not actually plugging anything into the port. One thing Apple does do that many other companies don't is adapt new technologies sooner and as a result are more likely to get bit in the ass by something going wrong. One of two things will happen. It can be resolved in a short period through software or maybe the 2011 models will just be notorious for being rubbish and smart people will pass on them and wait for the next iteration where the issue may not exist.
Alternatively they could have had a bad batch of components. It happens to everyone. Just look at how many companies that were affected by Sony's shitty laptop batteries. But of course some people just like to hate on things they can't afford.
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I tend to agree with you especially when it comes to 90% of the offerings out there. That said I bought from a smaller company that me and my friends have had good luck with for a few years and have been impressed with the material and build quality I got for newer parts and lower prices than I could have gotten from the big guys.
If you want a laptop that is solidly built and has decent battery life (I get more than 4 hours of real use) perhaps you should start looking for a reputable smaller builder.
Using it wrong (Score:5, Funny)
You must be using it wrong.
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I keep wondering why LOAD "*",8,1 keeps crashing Macs.
If someone is going to state "very widespread"... (Score:5, Insightful)
why do I even read /. anymore ... I must be addicted to the internet in an unhealthy manner :(
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Several thoughts in response to this:
1) The percentage is useful in determining whether this is, indeed, a "very widespread issue," or whether it represents a small overall failure rate due to a bad batch of thermal paste or components, damage during shipping, or perhaps somebody at the assembly line having a bad day and crossing a couple wires;
2) You will never get failures (or murder rates) to zero. It will never happen. At some point, it becomes too costly to prevent every possible failure. So, agai
Much ado about nothing ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Look, I severely dislike Apple, their products, their methods, and their policies.
However, this seems to be much ado about nothing. I have actually read the entire thread, and it appears to be a simple software issue that can be resolved by disabling some fan control package. The issue does not occur under stress testing in Windows 7. Put those two together, the issue becomes one or two bad packages, which will be resolved in an update sooner or later (for those that blew $3k on a computer, I hope sooner).
Of course, how Apple has handled the situation is abysmal, and I'm quite surprised seeing the people in the thread defending Apple support as they do.
In the end though: nothing to see here, move along, this is not a reason for major Apple bashing or Apple vs PC debates, and yes, even Apple can and does release bugged software now and then.
Re:Much ado about nothing ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Look, I severely dislike Apple, their products, their methods, and their policies.
The fact that you have to start your comment with that phrase here on Slashdot only shows that they are beyond rational discourse.
I'll take the "article" for what it's worth, and if it turns into something more then I'll base my buying decisions upon it.
Until then, I'll watch the flame wars with bemusement and curiosity on how people can get so worked up over a manufactured product.
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Look, I severely dislike Apple, their products, their methods, and their policies.
The fact that you have to start your comment with that phrase here on Slashdot only shows that they are beyond rational discourse.
Actually, it shows the contrary, he's admitting his bias up front which shows he is capable of analysing his own bias and compensating for it.
Your comment on the other hand shows that you aren't capable of this, further more you feel compelled to attack anyone who does not share your point of view, which goes to show you are not capable of discussing the issue rationally.
BTW, I have read the article and disagree with the GP. To me this sounds like a serious overheating issue. I've had a few in the pas
Re:Much ado about nothing ... (Score:5, Funny)
Breaking news: reality not exactly as described by others - basementdwellers swear revenge!
To the xkcd [xkcd.com], trusty sidekicks!
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It's never good enough for some people. If this is indeed caused by iStat's fan control, then people who installed this had to give this app root access to modify the SMC.
So what is Apple to do ? Lock down OSX like iOS ? People like you would start screaming that Apple users don't own their own machine, Apple is evil, bla bla bla. Just like they do
It is caused by (Score:5, Informative)
for those tl;dr:
most of the users report that after uninstalling istat menu pro (and it's "fan control" set to on by default) the problem goes away...
keep panicking...
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We can keep panicking? Phew.. I mean, AAGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
Re:It is caused by (Score:4, Informative)
iStat isn't necessary to cause the problem. Most people seem to be able to reproduce the issue by opening Photo Booth and trying to install/compile Boost from MacPorts (per these directions [apple.com]). FWIW, following these directions just crashed my 2011 15" MBP.
It seems to be an ATI graphics card issue, because some people report that they can get a stable machine by setting their graphics to integrated only with gfxCardStatus [codykrieger.com].
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Software Related (Score:5, Informative)
According to the thread this is software related. Removing smcfancontrol seems to be fixing the problem. I have to wonder how that got out the door.
Re:Software Related (Score:5, Insightful)
Smcfancontrol is 3rd party software, not Apple.
I've long wanted macfixit.com to have some prominent indicator on stories about problems. The indicator? I'M AN IDIOT AND I INSTALLED SOME LOW-LEVEL "HAXIE" AND IT CAUSED PROBLEMS. BECAUSE WHO COULD IMAGINE THAT PATCHING CHANGES INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S SOFTWARE COULD HAVE BAD SIDE-EFFECTS. AS I SAID I'M AN IDIOT.
OK, maybe a little wordy. But it'd help me quickly skip articles reporting "problems" where the "fix" was to uninstall some crazy low-level hack.
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When you say "got out the door", are you talking about how Apple allowed the machine to be released with this "flaw"? In case you don't know, smcfancontrol is not apple-provided software.
Who could ever guess that if you're running unsupported third-party packages that monkey around with power management settings it could make your machine crash? I mean, that's just nuts.
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My brand new MBP 17" locked up three times last night, and I don't have SMCFanControl installed.
Previous generation crashed/froze too. (Score:4, Interesting)
I should also mention that I have 7 other Macs (of which only one portable - 2008 Aluminum Macbook) that all worked out of the box without a single issue. So, I don't know if only their top of the line Macbook Pros have these issues due to heat dissipation or something else?
Lesson Learned (Score:2)
"You're holding it wrong." (Score:2)
n/t
Mine did the same thing (Score:2)
Mine crashed too, except for me it showed MAC LOAD LETTER in large font on the screen.
I hate apple hardware dickheads (Score:3, Funny)
It's not exactly crashing (Score:3, Informative)
This happened to select 2010 models as well - the problem is that the video card overheats and tries to switch back to integrated and the machine barfs all over that. (If you use a laptop cooling pad, this tends not to happen, although there are still some non-heat-related "hangs" in switching between integrated and discrete graphics). If you have ssh enabled, you can indeed see that the machine hasn't crashed, it just isn't drawing to the display (because the display is now connected to the other video card, but something - OpenCL, CoreGraphics, whatnot - didn't get the memo to write to a different display).
If you can make your machine do this reliably, you can take it to an Apple store, show it to them (being able to ssh helps), and they will replace the machine for you. You may of course get another machine with the same problem, but you also might not...so you have the option of rolling the dice on a new machine until someone comes up with a software fix. (You can also go into the Energy Saver control panel and force the discrete graphics to be used all the time, at the expense of your battery life, which tends to resolve the problem).
i don't get all the fuss (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously, i don't get all the fuss. I got about 8 applications open, iLife stuff, Garage Band with a work in progress containing 42 audio tracks, word processing, and a few terminals compiling GNU stuff. No cra
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Yes, yes it is. I'm running a table with a single-core Pentium 4, 512Mb of Ram, Intel 945gm graphics and Windows 7 on a 60Gb hard drive, and I expect it NOT to crash. Slow down, maybe,churn, make me frustrated (lol), but I haven't seen computers crash and burn without reason (like faulty drivers, hardware fault) for at least 5 years.
So this IS news for nerds, fanboi. As in, it's news when a computer company with margins like Apple lets its customers down in the name of profit, and nerds (who buy computers)
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I'm guessing you're not running your P4 isn't stuffed into a cheap Chinese laptop with an expensive sticker on the front?
My point still stands - people buying crappy cheap commodity hardware shouldn't be surprised when it has problems. No amount of groovy industrial design can make up for a dodgy Foxconn motherboard that's as crap as a Chinese motorbike.
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My point still stands- people buying crappy cheap commodity hardware shouldn't be surprised when it has problems.
No it doesn't. Bash commodity hardware made in China all you want, for the most part running a computer under load will not cause it to lock up.
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Dude please, Chinese motorbikes are awesome. They just keep going and going.. I saw one there being held together with chicken wire, wood planks, and grass rope and still kicking along fine. I'd like to see a macbook do that!
As I'm sure you're aware, all Mac compatible accessories including the aforementioned 'chicken wire, wood planks, and grass rope' are specially designed for enduser delight and are therefore priced accordingly.
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See that is the parent posters point! If it had not been for the fact that some part of the bike failed none of that chicken wire and wood would be there. The parts from the OEM were so poor that wood and chicken wire do it better.
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Dude please, Chinese motorbikes are awesome. They just keep going and going..
True. The brakes do nothing.
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Clearly you have low expectations of your computing system. What is your primary platform?
You should try a VAX running VMS in 1985. VMS has had fine grained per-process resource limits since forever and degrades very gracefully. And overheating? My MicroVAX also makes an excellent space heater, but that doesn't seem to bother it.
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Problem is, my cellphone outperforms a VAX in terms of FLOPS, even if it crashes once a week.
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Ladies, lets not get all emotional about some old hardware. Just return the Mac BookPro and get a new one - problem solved.
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Re:The Great Debate (Score:5, Funny)
PC: Hi, I'm a PC.
[Mac slows down and starts to crash]
Mac: Hey, what's happening to me?
[PC reaches over and starts tickling Mac]
PC: Stop crashing yourself! Stop crashing yourself!
Mac: This isn't supposed to happen! What's going on?
PC: Been there, done that. Get used to it.
Mac: Save me Stevie Won Kejobsie, save me!
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You've clearly been reading up on this because that is essentially the opposite of what was concluded on the thread referenced in the initial posting. The only public strip down from iFixit shows ample thermal paste being used (they think it's too much). I've been working with this for the last week and my vote goes to a driver or firmware issue.
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Mod parent up.
I was thinking the same. Article to excessive thermal paste on Slahdot: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/02/28/233215/New-MacBook-Pro-Teardown-Reveals-Shoddy-Assembly [slashdot.org]
When Apple switched to Intel, the first MacBook Pro machines had thermal issues due to too much paste. It seems Apple addressed this issue in manufacture in later models, but it has reappeared in the 2011.
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Steve Jobs hates noisy fans. I hear there's often unreasonable demands made to the hardware engineering group - remember the Apple ///? - which might be the cause of this little problem. A software patch to make the fan come on earlier would probably fix it.
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How's battery life on the competition again?!
And I wouldn't call a i5 notebook 'underpowered'.
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Explain how a quad-core i7 laptop is underpowered, please & thanks.
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no apple likes thin and does not like fans / noise (Score:2)
no apple likes thin and does not like fans / noise and that's why a $1200 and $1500 system have on board video.
Come make a little bigger system with better cooling.
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Honestly I think this is one of those what's old is new again kind of things. There was a number of years in the middle where the components and build quality at Apple was phenomenal. It just looks like Apple is trying to go back to being irrelevant in the PC market, it's not like they really care when they have the iPod, iPhone, and iPad cash cows to milk...
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Netcraft, obviously.
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Wait, so is Apple dead, or is it Steve Jobs?