iPhone 4 Pre-Orders Wreaking Havoc On Apple Store 285
theappwhisperer was one of a surprisingly large number of people writing in this morning to report that the Apple store is having serious troubles taking pre-orders of the new iPhone 4. People are seeing the error page or just waiting an insanely long time to get pages back. Just imagine trying to do this from an iPhone in a major market!
Apple Store in App Store (Score:5, Funny)
In other related news, there is now an Apple Store App in the Apple App Store.
Yo dawg.
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Sadly, there is no app for that app (infinite recursion loop - null pointer exception, segmentation fault, core dumped)
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Aha! This allows us to prove that, if the App Store contains a finite number of apps, it cannot be true that "there's an app for that" for all values of "that".
After all, the Store cannot sell the app that sells the app that sells the app that sells the app that sells the app that sells the app that sells the app...
Now if only we could work Cantor's diagonal slash [wikipedia.org] into this, so we could handle the case of an infinite app store...
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Why is Apple locked into one carrier? Simple. 4 years ago, the only carrier that would agree to Apple's demands was Cingular. Verizon laughed at them. So did Sprint/Nextel.
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You can buy an "officially" unlocked phone from Apple or AT&T if you are willing to pay full price. In the US those phones are intended primarily for developers but anyone can buy one.
http://www.iphoneuserguide.com/apple/2009/07/02/iphone3g/buy-iphone-3gs-from-apple-online-unlocked/ [iphoneuserguide.com]
However you can get around getting sodomized on the price if you travel internationally; if you travel to China or any of the EU member states, or if you have a relative or friend who lives abroad, you can buy an unlocked iPh
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Probably something to do with some 5 year exclusive contract.
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Well with Jobs' ego surpassing that of Darth Vader or Palpatine, he can change the terms of the contract at will and AT&T will kiss his feet.
Hey, if AT&T can do it to subscribers, why can't Apple do it to AT&T?
To paraphrase Steve Jobs (Score:4, Funny)
If everyone can just turn off your web browsers. I've got all day.
Praise Apple. (Score:4, Funny)
Everyone knows this "delay" is a feature not a negative. It was designed in the best interest of consumers, to give them extra time to think, "Do I really want to spend a couple hundred dollars, or should I pay my rent?" It's like a waiting period.
(I'm just joking of course - though I better say it, else someone might mark me "troll" - it's funny.)
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"Do I really want to spend a couple hundred dollars, or should I pay my rent?"
Well, I always thought that Apple fanboys were rent boys.
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I'm just joking of course
Duh. Everyone knows an iPhone has priority over paying the rent.
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Hey Steve (Score:2)
iPhone 4 Stories Wreaking Havoc On Slashdot (Score:5, Funny)
Reports are coming in of Slashdot being flooded with iPhone 4 stories, wreaking havoc with the front page, with people having to skip over an insane number of Apple stories to read something else. Just imagine trying to read this from an iPhone! The demand for the stories surpasses even that of three months of iPad stories, that were necessary before it finally shipped, and makes the traditional "daily iPhone story" seem infrequent in comparison.
Anybody else suprised at the high demand? (Score:3, Interesting)
Evo looks sweet to me, and it's getting some good reviews.
Lots of people seem to be fed up with Jobs "walled garden" - crappy iTunes has to be used for everything, no SD card or USB ports, no flash.
AT&T network is getting slammed all over the place - slow, unreliable, and insecure.
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Lots of people seem to be fed up with Jobs "walled garden"
Lots of people on Slashdot, but that is just a fraction of the population.
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AT&T network is getting slammed all over the place - slow, unreliable, and insecure.
Technically, it's AT&T's website that's insecure, not their network.
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AT&T network is getting slammed all over the place - slow, unreliable, and insecure.
Technically, it's AT&T's website that's insecure, not their network.
He didn't specify CELLULAR network.
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The phone is great, the strings strangle you. Take a closer look. You have no choices. It is locked to Sprint, unlike most phones, you can not just get an "unlock code" to use it with another carrier, the phone has to be reflashed and Sprint will not do that. You cant activate it on a carrier that provides much more reasonable and even pay-as-you-go pricing. Virgin Mobile and Boost (both companies used Sprints CDMA infrastructure and have been purchased by Sprint) refuse to activate an
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My, aren't we touchy?
I don't hate Apple, I own an iPod Touch, and an iPod Shuffle, both great devices.
Still, the iPhone does not seem to have the smart-phone market to itself anymore. I think it's fair to say that HTC Android phones equal, or surpass, the iPhone in many ways - certainly in terms of openness.
And you must admit, there are a lot of negatives associated with the AT&T network.
I am just surprised that the iPhone is still popular.
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Flash is mostly used for advertising -- and for a very, very high value of mostly. "Mostly" in the sense that nearly every page loaded by an average user has a Flash ad on it.
The multitude of crappy Flash games (with a handful of good ones) is not much of a draw when the App Store has its own multitude of crappy games (and a handful of good ones) that are designed to work with a touch interface.
It's odd that Flash is so heavily defended on Slashdot when its primary compelling end-user purpose (other than a
Re:Anybody else suprised at the high demand? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's odd that Flash is so heavily defended on Slashdot when its primary compelling end-user purpose (other than advertising, of course) is to act as a glorified DRM provider for video.
Everyone on Slashdot hated Flash, and would rip on it all the time, until it was announced that the iPhone wouldn't support Flash. That's when Flash became cool again. Lack of Flash support is just another excuse for Apple haters to keep on hating Apple, regardless of whether or not the like Flash.
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There is no Apple "culture". Slashdot creates one to rage against. Sort of like Emmanuel Goldstein, or "popular kids" in high school.
On AT&T Too: Maintenance (Score:2)
Maintenance In Progress
AT&T is continually working to improve our internet site for our customers. As part of this ongoing effort, we are currently doing maintenance. We apologize for this inconvenience and ask that you please try back again later.
Apple isn't the only one... With these two companies relying on each others servers, it's no wonder that both are having issues.
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I got the same message on the AT&T site after the keynote when people were checking to see if they qualified for the upgrade. Somebody should tell them that message makes them look incompetent; I mean, it's one thing to have a server go down under extremely heavy load. But it would be far stupider to choose such a peak time for scheduled maintenance. Just say "Sor
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Your comment does just what their server does. Cuts off mid sentence!
Re:On AT&T Too: Maintenance (Score:5, Insightful)
Hype (Score:2)
And yet another time company has product understocked and has troubles to keep their online shop up, news at 11.
Apple, this way of creating hype is getting way old.
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Do you really think that Apple is intentionally crippling their store on purpose? What do they stand to gain by making ordering their product more difficult?
Have you considered that, just maybe, there's actually a large number of people who want one? The people I know with iPhones are a fanatical bunch, and I know an awful lot of people who wish that they too had one.
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Maybe they just believed the people on Slashdot who said that nobody would want one.
No No NO! (Score:4, Funny)
No No NO! I said to host a web site for the iPhone4; not on an iPhone4!
</jobs_voice="off">
Question: What would Steve Jobs call a web site where you can negotiate the best price for an iPhone4?
Answer: iDeal!
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<jobs_voice="on">
No No NO! I said to host a web site for the iPhone4; not on an iPhone4!
</jobs_voice="off">
XML tutorials: there's an app for that.
In the iHQ... (Score:5, Funny)
Web minion: *starts iTunes on the Xserve handling orders, the beachball starts spinning*
Steve, the turtlenecked one: "No, you fool! I don't want a slight increase in ping times, I want interminable delays, I want pages that have to be refreshed a dozen times, I want those pitiful insects to beg for our order confirmation screen. Take any measures necessary."
Web minion: "Master, surely you don't mean?"
Steve, the turtlenecked one: "Yes. Load a Flash Applet
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It's actually an improvement (Score:2)
Yeah, seeing error messages or getting pages back at all is a lot better than what usually happens when you try to use an iPhone in Manhattan.
Flashback (Score:2)
I've been trying to pre-order for the last two hours. Flashback to three years ago with the original iPhone activation debacle. I'm dismayed that Apple and AT&T haven't gotten their collective shit together in all this time. :-(
-Peter
I know it's fashionable to make fun of AT&T, b (Score:5, Informative)
I know that it's fashionable to make fun of AT&T. I don't like carrier-exclusive agreements either - I think that they're anti-consumer and shouldn't be allowed. However, AT&T's network is actually the best in most markets as shown in independent tests by Gizmodo, PC World, and PC Magazine.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364263,00.asp [pcmag.com]
http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_back_in_pcworlds_second_3g_wireless_performance_test.html [pcworld.com]
http://gizmodo.com/5428343/our-2009-12+city-3g-data-mega-test-att-won [gizmodo.com]
The most recent test (PC Magazine) shows AT&T nearly 80% faster than the other 3G networks (June 2010). PC World's tests show AT&T to be 67% faster than the competition (Feb 2010). Gizmodo's tests show AT&T on top, but by a smaller margin (Dec 2009). PC World's tests do show that AT&T has improved markedly since their Feb 2009 tests (improving speeds by over 200% in some places). By the end of 2009, AT&T's network was the fastest and it's kept improving to widen the gap. Even in so-called trouble markets like New York and San Francisco AT&T is doing well. In San Francisco, their speeds are double the competition's average and over 75% faster than the second fastest. In New York, T-Mobile's HSPA+ network (recently rolled out) is 10% faster, but AT&T is still 94% faster than Verizon and 130% faster than Sprint.
It's fashionable to make fun of AT&T. If you live in a rural area, AT&T might not have 3G service to you. If you were using AT&T in 2007 and 2008, their service was likely slower than the competition. That is not the case anymore. Real data (rather than anecdotal evidence) shows AT&T to be quite ahead of the competition when it comes to 3G capacity in major markets.
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Now I know what all those people feel like who scream "SHILL!!!" at Microsoft posts (still way too many of you, by the way).
Or (looking at your last two posts here) is it actually possible to be a carrier fan[boy]? Or do you just work at AT&T and love your employer? Maybe I'm wrong. I'm genuinely curious.
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I'm actually a Sprint customer (I refuse to pay AT&T's prices and have a really awesome deal with Sprint and am really happy with the service and don't understand why more people don't use them). However, I appreciate objective evidence rather than partisan anecdotes. Most people only have service from a single carrier and any experience they have with another carrier is years old. So, a Verizon customer who says AT&T is unreliable either has no evidence (they never were an AT&T customer) or
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Well, I am questioning, but there's no reason to apologize, since the questioning itself is pretty much an attack on you however you look at it. The reason your post was suspicious to me was that it was kind of tangential to the discussion at hand and the fact that nobody here ever seems to defend any mobile carrier (let alone AT&T). I'm young enough that I still let my parents buy me whatever phone and mobile plan they see fit, so I don't really care one way or another. I was just surprised to actually
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According to PC World, AT&T's 3G service improved in Boston by 184% (nearly doubling) between Feb 2009 and Feb 2010.
Public perception is one of those things that doesn't change quickly (no matter what the evidence). I know that a lot of people had billing issues after the Sprint-Nextel merger and that's been resolved and Sprint's service is as strong as I've seen it, but customers still have a bad impression of Sprint.
With wireless service, it's hard to really get good data. Verizon is trying to get p
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I've lived in Seattle - delayed text messages, dropped calls and the second you get outside the big city - zero service while my friends on Sprint and Verizon have service.
Most used service on any smart phone is making phone calls - when you can't even do that its a big problem.
So yeah AT&T has invested jack into their infrastructure while pretty much every single Verizon tower supports EVO now.
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Oh, its great when you have a solid 3G signal, but even in downtown Chicago that can be a problem. Toss in all the dropped calls and its really not as great as those links suggest. Essentially, those tests, if memory serves, are just data speed tests. I don't think they were done in random spots, but where 3G worked and where they had a solid signal.
I'm in a similar boat now with Sprint's 4G service. Spotty reception, but crazy speeds. I just rooted my EVO, enabled wireless tethering, and with one bar of
The real reason for those sales... (Score:2)
All those people saw slashdot yesterday and want to not read Ulysses.
I know who to blame (Score:2)
I would stand in line (Score:2, Flamebait)
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I would stand in line NOT to buy the iphone 4.
You're here on Slashdot; you just did.
Their Site is Hosted on a Mac (Score:2)
so I am not surprised. :) Also nice to blame the customers for the problem. Just like the blamed the reporters for the iPhone presentation not working. Blame AT&T for shitty deals. Blame Canada, for something. Blame everyone but themselves. I think I would be asking if they knew there would be demand, then why did they not do something about it. If they didn't, then why not.
Anyway I just bought an iPhone 3GS so I won't be getting a new one anytime soon. Considering I live in Canada it likely won't even
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You don't have to wait in line to breathe, either. You could wait in line for a whore, but then you will probably bring home more than you bargained for. What was your point again? Ah yes you were trying to make some allusion as to waiting in line was a "good thing", etc.
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The Brittish would. Though the correct term is "queueing".
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Brittish is the Ammerican spelling.
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I don't know about Microsoft (who aren't the competition in the phone market - instead they're competing with Nokia, Motorola, Samsung, RIM etc), but taking pre-orders is commonplace for many companies, not just Apple. There's nothing about "waiting in line" here.
Talking of pre-orders - can we please remember that they've been taking pre-orders, before someone tries to falsely claim "XXX iPhones sold in 1 day!", as people falsely claimed for the Ipad?
Maybe people don't have to wait in line? I read the news
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When was the last time someone waited in line for a Microsoft product?
15 years ago? Yeah that's about right.
-- BMO
When was the last time Microsoft had a product worth waiting in line for? 15 years ago? Yeah that's about right. ;-)
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Halo/Xbox 360 most definetly.
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Not that long ago. The Windows 7 preorder volume was rather crazy. Except that you had dozens over dozens of resellers to choose from. Sure, Amazon didn't run out of stock, but a lot of smaller resellers did.
There's no reason to line-up for software anymore. Hardware yes, and while Microsoft does make a few hardware things, its hardly their primary business line. Then again, people DID lineup for the 360.
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NT 4 wasn't hyped to buggery.
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When was the last time someone waited in line for a Microsoft product?
15 years ago? Yeah that's about right.
-- BMO
I didn't know the XBox 360 was released 15 years ago.
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
I remember a few years ago when people were lined up at Best Buy, Circuit City, and EB Games to get the XBox 360. Sony and Nintendo had similar results with their game consoles.
I don't think waiting in line to be the first to get one is limited to Apple products.
Here's a news flash. People wait in line to purchase a book (eg. Harry Potter, Twilight, etc) and to be the first to see a movie (eg. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings).
Waiting in line is not always a bad thing. I waiting in line with my daughter at every Harry Potter book release. It always came out near her birthday and it was fun to speak to other fans of the book. Now that she is grown, I look back fondly to the experience. Especially when she was waiting in line to read a book.
I've waiting in line for WoW Burning Crusades because I had nothing else to do and the EB Games was next door to where I was staying overnight on work travel. However, I usually wait until the next day or so because... well... its a game and there are plenty of copies.
Anyway, people will wait in line for anything these days and I don't see it as a bad thing - in fact we need more. Why? Anything that will get people out of their basements and socialize with other people in person can't be all bad.
Humans are funny.
Re:So... (Score:5, Insightful)
See, a lot of the Slashdot crowd has chosen not to interact with real people due to a myriad of insecurities hidden by a superiority complex. This presents itself worst when they start to pant and whine about other people mentioning situations in which one is in forced proximity with other people with whom you may have to "socially interact". Mentioning any sort of situation like this causes bouts of anxiety fueled nerdrage in which the perceived aggressor is mocked and jeered through choked back tears of bitter, vitriol-fueled anguish on a playing field sympathetic to such unrealistic and unhealthy views (Slashdot).
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Anything that will get people out of their basements and socialize with other people in person can't be all bad.
I like your optimism. That works in certain cases, especially when stock and place in line aren't big issues, or when the store handles queuing properly.
Last time I did the Black Friday thing it was 2005 when I was one of maybe twenty-five people waiting outside a Staples in the bitter Massachusetts pre-dawn cold. The limited number of "adversaries" and shared misery created an environment of friendliness and chattiness. I don't go anymore not only are deals are getting less worthwhile, but mostly becaus
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Anyway, people will wait in line for anything these days and I don't see it as a bad thing - in fact we need more. Why? Anything that will get people out of their basements and socialize with other people in person can't be all bad
I waited in line to wait in line.
Re:So... (Score:4, Insightful)
I assume quite a lot of people here are feeling guilty about supporting Apple so much in the past, when it is now clear that they are even more closed than Microsoft.
Re:I Orders, and Why is This News? (Score:4, Insightful)
I wonder how many sales Apple would make from this. I'd imagine an article posted in /. would bring worthy leads.
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I wonder how many sales Apple would make from this. I'd imagine an article posted in /. would bring worthy leads.
I am pretty sure anyone that checks slashdot on at least on a weekly basis already knew this phone was coming out.
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Yes, but the /. article is a timely reminder. "Oh, it's TODAY." *click click*
At least that was the case for me. Apple was suppose to send me a reminder email this morning, but I guess they're holding those until their servers stop melting.
The real news is (Score:2, Insightful)
people will spend spend spend on selfish desires but are against spending the same on their own welfare all the while complaining the rich have too much money. I know people spend themselves into a ditch paying for new gadgets and monthly fees and then turn around and bitch about how much money other people have.
Consumerism at its worst, they "deserve" to have what they want regardless of ability.
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I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Well, for some people, the iPhone is a tool that makes them more productive. There are some pretty compelling apps out there now and having a decent internet device available all the time can be darned useful.
For a lot of people, $1200 / year just isn't that much money. That's around $3.25 / day, a pretty affordable luxury.
I wouldn't assume that people buying new phones and other gadgets are the same people who are bitching about how much money other people have. It might be true, but I don't know that it i
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making you a small minority.
Actually, I think that makes use a plump, supersized minority. But I get your point.
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Most of the world isn't the target market for the iPhone. I was saying $3.25 / day is an affordable luxury for the people who buy the phone.
In other comments, people are saying the average iPhone purchaser has a household income of more than $100,000. I don't know if that's true or not (anybody have a source?), but I wouldn't be surprised.
Re:I Orders, and Why is This News? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not news, it's just a reminder that there's a new Apple gadget for sale and people should head over and spend, spend, spend. It's spam.
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I was thinking the same thing. Wow, hot new product goes on sale today, so website is a little slow! Lets make this a story on Slashdot!
Seriously? Must be a slow news day.
I will probably wait a couple of weeks - got to pay a couple of bills first. In 3-4 weeks, there should be a good supply of them at my local AT&T store.
Dreading updating my iphone 3G to iOS4 - may hold off. It seems that every time Apple releases a new iPhone OS, my iPhone gets a little slower.
Just wish that the announcement of the iPh
Re:I Orders, and Why is This News? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I Orders, and Why is This News? (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot should is an attack site.
I accidentally the app store.
Re:ya a a awn (Score:5, Funny)
Okay, Billy. Time for your meds.
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people
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Apple
products
QEF.
Re:ya a a awn (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh look, another hater who is too stupid to understand why people love Apple products and who misrepresents past Apple headlines. . .
Okay, please tell me exactly what is so much better about Apple products? I've used various technologies over the years and Apple's products are good but I can't really see this "massive" benefit everyone talks about.
As for shininess my new Toshiba looks just as sexy as any Mac (actually it gets more comments from people in the office over any Mac). Just about anything brand new these days if you spend the same amount of money as you would on an Apple product usually looks just as physically good. Feature wise Apple products have always had less features with the express philosophy that the features they bring to the table are more refined. Now, If you went back 10 years granted Apple was quite original but now the more technology grows Apple goes down the same vein as it's competitors and the more they become alike. The software, well okay it runs UNIX and to me this is always good but to say that Windows 7 is a poor operating system as much as it pains me to say it Microsoft has got it right for a change. My Toshiba laptop with touchscreen (pen also) works really well, my laptop has never been slow and it does everything the top of a line Apple does and just as seamlessly (in many cases much better).
It took me until the last 3 months to go out and get myself an iPhone. When I was first exposed to them I thought some of the things it brought to the table were good but it wasn't until I needed a new phone did I actually make the decision to get one. I think that's how a lot of people shop when it comes to phones because I don't see people regularly spending a marginal amount of money on something as "unimportant" to their daily lives as phone handset (it's really a luxury item). Unless the company you work for opts up to buy you a new phone the only real time the average person purchases a new phone is when their plan is up and the chance to grab a current handset is offered too them.
Their uniqueness put them this far ahead of their competitors but I don't think they are that unique anymore as the speed of which competing Tablet's are being created and released into the market is a fine example of this as we are expected to see nearly 50 brands of Tablets hit the market within the next 6 months. If anything its simply brand awareness now and I think that's why they keep at it with all this hype. They are sticking to what works well to sell their products and not really about the quality of the product because Apple knows how prominent they are and they know all too well which one they have to push. It's "product quality" vs "marketability" and I think marketability is now cheaper for them and easier.
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Apple already host a lot of stuff on a CDN, as do most companies. Doesn't really help for this sort of stuff though, getting form data, etc...
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Apple already host a lot of stuff on a CDN, as do most companies. Doesn't really help for this sort of stuff though, getting form data, etc...
Indeed, it appears to fail for me when trying to get my AT&T information...
Re:Ask Google (Score:4, Funny)
Google's Could
Is that a cross between a cloud and a cult? Or is that just the name of a band?
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not like Android phones are any cheaper. the top of the line Droid and Evo's go for $199 with 8GB storage. iPhone comes in 16GB and 32GB. by the time you buy a SD card it's more than an iphone
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Actually, no. A quick search on Pricewatch reveals that 32GB SD cards are going for about $85 on the street. That puts a 32GB Evo at just under the $299 Apple wants for a 32GB iPhone 4. However, since I get to keep the 8GB that comes with the Evo, that means I get an Evo with 40GB of storage for a little less than a iPhone 4 with 32GB.
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and the iphone 4 has a slightly higher resolution screen, a gyro for some reason or other and you're paying for iTunes indirectly. price is about the same. not like the old days when you would pay 50% more for an apple product.
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Don't forget that you are on the hook for a just-in-time-for-the-iPhone-4 $350 early termination fee from AT&T.
When they increased from $175 to $350 for a smart phone, does that mean that you get $175 more discount on a new phone? Hardly. It just means more $$$ in their pocket if you try to get out of paying them $600 in data fee profit they expected over your contract, (that's for the $25 2gb a month plan, expect to pay more when you go over.) Do the math, you could buy a nice laptop for real price of
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16GB microSD only costs about $30 - where are your sources showing the Android phones as more expensive?
There's more than Android, anyway. E.g., the X6 comes with 16 or 32GB as standard; the N97 with 32GB as standard.
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>not like Android phones are any cheaper. the top of the line Droid and Evo's go for $199 with 8GB storage.
Well, what do you get for you money?
iphone: Capped data. Evo: Unlimited 3g and 4g
iphone: costly tethering Evo: Free USB tethering, again unlimited
iphone: walled garden Evo: open market, install apk files from anywhere
iphone: at&t 3g Evo: 4G
iphone: no flash Evo: HTC mobile flash, Froyo full flash in a couple months
So, are you willing to take all those downside for slightly cheaper flash me
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I don't get this comment.
The App Store is a good hundreds times bigger then Ovi Store, and it's growing at a faster pace. There's a much better chance you will find an App you like on the Apple store than the Ovi store.
iPhones are also easily jail broken for even more apps.
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I cringe at the thought of running open office or gimp on a smartphone.
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It's a good thing they have money to be parted with since the average iPhone user makes over 100k/year.
Really? I think that I want to be an average iPhone user :-)
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that doesn't have any new functionalities
I've seen this sentiment expressed a few places, most of which don't appear to be trolls. I'm admittedly a bit surprised that folks (esp. here) don't get "much faster processor, more storage, better display, better camera" as features. WTF are people expecting? An eggbeater that pops out of the dock port?
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Yeah I know right man? People buying things and other people selling them. WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO