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Apple Updates iMac, iLife, .Mac 528

Apple just announced new iMacs. They are aluminum and come in 20" (two models) and 24". There's a new view called "Events" in iPhoto that should make it easier to deal with large photo libraries. Apple's .Mac service is enhanced with .Mac Web Gallery, which integrates with the new iTunes and also the iPhone. It's a Web 2.0 app now. And iMovie is being replaced by a completely new app of the same name. Steve Jobs claimed that with it you can put together a 5-minute movie in 30 minutes, and he demo'ed that from the stage. iWeb, iDVD, and GarageBand get new features too. And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage. Here is Engadget's blow-by-blow coverage, and Wired's.
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Apple Updates iMac, iLife, .Mac

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  • I checked and haven't seen any updates yet. I think this is the first time in years where a product announcement has been made and their website wasn't updated at the same exact moment. :^)
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Rebelgecko ( 893016 )
      They're probably waiting until Steve Jobs is done announcing new products so there are no "spoilers."
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by 0racle ( 667029 )
      The store went offline just before it started, this is exactly how things are usually handled.
  • Finally (Score:5, Funny)

    by Lockejaw ( 955650 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:13PM (#20144843)

    And .Mac subscribers get 10 GB of storage.
    Yay, now there's enough space to actually put something there!
  • by hcdejong ( 561314 ) <hobbes&xmsnet,nl> on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:13PM (#20144853)
    "On the morning of Steve Jobs's keynote presentation, the online Apple store grinds to a halt as Mac-heads set their browsers to refresh every 15 seconds."

    (from the Apple Product Life Cycle) []
  • Geez (Score:5, Funny)

    by iamdrscience ( 541136 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:19PM (#20144933) Homepage
    Can we wait until the press event is over before an article is posted about it? At present isn't there still a product on stage under black cloth? Have you ever known something hidden underneath a cloak of black cloth to not be important?
  • With their spreadsheet application and upgrade to Pages to include a word processor, it looks like Apple wants to establish an entire office productivity suite. I wonder if it will be a successor to WriteNow in the near future?
    • Allow me to suggest that they improve their graph making software.

      It pains me to see a company so concerned with aesthetics put together a graph like the one Engadget has a photo of. I'd think the Apple Corporation could afford a Tufte book.
      • by LKM ( 227954 )
        The best part, of course, is that the only time Jobs uses these crappy styles in his Keynote presentations is when the shows them off. Apple knows perfectly well about Tufte, but some of their customers are used to WordArt and might think Apple's stuff is inferior if they can't do the same ugly crap in the iWorks apps.
  • by Biff Stu ( 654099 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:22PM (#20144975)
    But is it backwards compatible with Web 1.0?

    Some of us Luddites are a bit slow to upgrade.
  • "Out with your iPhone, we've added "Send to Web Gallery" on your iPhone. Pick one, emails to special address, that photo will show up on your web gallery. Can tell friends about it, View others' web galleries right on your iPhone, great iPhone experience, fully integrated."
    Does this mean we're getting an iPhone update?
  • by Schnoogs ( 1087081 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:29PM (#20145105)
    ...this quote. "There are some people who still want to make DVDs" I guess these's a fringe movement of people who want to cater to the 100 million or so DVD players out there! ;) Someone tell these people that DVD is soooooooooooo last year! Other than that everything looked pretty solid.
    • "There are some people who still want to make DVDs" I guess these's a fringe movement of people who want to cater to the 100 million or so DVD players out there! ;) Someone tell these people that DVD is soooooooooooo last year! Other than that everything looked pretty solid.

      Earlier this year I wanted to get an iMovie of the littlest Otter sent to my grandmother...since they thoughtlessly did not include iVHS to their media suite, I was forced to hook it up myself. Thank goodness for the analog hole!

      Yeah, I think there'll be a market for iDVD for a while. Hell, there's a market for GarageBand. ;P

    • by jedidiah ( 1196 )
      Well, DVD is kind of constraining. If you have a device that you can just plug into any TV, then you don't have to deal with any sort of format limitations. As long as your transport device can play the file and feed it through a suitable video output, you don't need to know what format it's in.

      DVD's are just will dealing with the old foggies you know that haven't moved on to ipods or MythTV.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by metamatic ( 202216 )
      People still want to make DVDs? Go figure.

      I've yet to see a better way to get widescreen standard definition video to my family. If there's one I'm missing, I hope Steve Jobs will enlighten us.
  • Anyone got some video of the keynote?
  • by phalse phace ( 454635 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:31PM (#20145129)
    In case someone's wondering, the Mac mini will be refreshed today. This was mentioned during their Q & A. But there was no mention of any specs.

    • by phalse phace ( 454635 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:42PM (#20145307)
      Specs on Apple's site now:

      1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
      1GB memory
      80GB hard drive1

      Ships: Within 24 hours
      Free Shipping


      2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
      1GB memory
      120GB hard drive1

      Ships: Within 24 hours
      Free Shipping
      • Specs on Apple's site now:

        1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
        1GB memory
        80GB hard drive1

        Ships: Within 24 hours
        Free Shipping

        Ugh. I was really hoping that the Mini would return to $499. Oh well.
      • by strredwolf ( 532 )
        Gha!!! I was going to go out and buy the old origional Core Duo Mini, and now they're bumping the speed, chip, memory, and HD space for the same price!!! AAAAIIIIEEEE don't know what to do on Wednesday...
  • by Sax Maniac ( 88550 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:32PM (#20145139) Homepage Journal
    Talk short. No long sentence. Simple words. Over soon. Screw verbs. Noun adjective. Adjective noun. Noun, noun, noun. And, articles! So, no prepositions. Adverbs bad. Baaaad adverbs, no-no-no. See Dick run. Run, Dick run!
  • A few thoughts (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JamesRose ( 1062530 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:37PM (#20145233)
    first quote: "What about AMD chips?"

    Steve: "We use Intel chips"

    hehehe, sounded a li'l like the intel chip implanted into his head kicked in there.

    second, why is the imac so underpowered in the RAM department, I mean the specs in one of the pictures showed the iMacs, all the way up to the biggest $1800 version only has 1gig- with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

    Finally, is it just me, or have they slighyl repackaged everything, made no huge advances, like for example, why did they bother to minimize a keyboard, which for someone like me, would just be annoying. iLife? It's had nothing added, they just repackaged every single feature, and when asked why .mac doesn't support HD Jobs goes- Well, we do support HD, well actually slightly less than HD- you know what I call not quite HD- NOT HD! Everything just seemed a little small fry.
    • by MoneyT ( 548795 )
      with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

      Where are you buying your computers? Even the $6000 gaming system from dell comes with 2GB by default.
    • Re:A few thoughts (Score:4, Interesting)

      by reidconti ( 219106 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @03:16PM (#20145761)
      My 2.66Ghz quad-core Mac Pro only has 1GB RAM. It's not really intentional, I just didn't want to pay $300 for another gig of FB-DIMMs when I bought it last August; figured I'd skip the Apple Tax and buy it third-party.

      Then I found out third-party companies were selling it for the same absurd price.

      So I told myself I'd wait a few months for the price to drop, since it would inevitably fall like a rock when more companies started shipping the Core 2 Extreme with chipsets requiring FB-DIMMs. Then it was announced that the FB-DIMM wasn't going to be on Intel's future roadmap.. d'oh!

      Prices haven't dropped like a rock, but slowly declined instead.. now I can get 4GB for around $300.

      But the thing is, the system doesn't really need it. I admit that it's already total overkill for what I use it for, but I was rewarding myself for using my 600Mhz iBook G3 for 5 years, including all thru college, and that maxed out at 640MB. With Tiger, and a bunch of widgets running, yeah, I can feel when it starts swapping -- usually at about the 15th Safari window or so. However, the system is so damn fast -- and I'm running RAID 0 on my main volume -- that the swapping is really just a minor annoyance. I keep finding better things to spend money on than more memory for my already blazing fast computer.

      So, to make a long story short, 1GB is plenty for a "desktop" Mac. Most users would be much better served by 2GB, but most users would ALSO be much better served by Apple bundling as little possible so that the buyer can choose whether they want to install the RAM themselves, or have Apple do it.
    • Re:A few thoughts (Score:5, Informative)

      by adisakp ( 705706 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @03:33PM (#20146003) Journal
      with all the RAM you get in normal PCs now days (4gigabytes not unusual) is this not a little strange?

      AFAIK, Window's PC manaufacturers usually put in 1 GB now with an option to get 2 GB or more. Usually 2GB costs you an extra $100-200 and 4GB cost you an extra arm, leg, and testicle.

      Even if you give up a 'nad for the 4GB, Windows PC's will only use 3 GB when 4 GB is installed unless you're willing to do a lot of extra configuration and you buy the correct hardware. We got a bunch of new Dells at work a couple months ago. All of them came with 4 GB. But when you boot into Windows XP Pro, only 3 GB is visible. I tried all the hacks to get more -- with certain MB and hardware configs, it is possible to get up to 3.5GB with a bit of hacking your OS configuration but 3GB is the most you can get unless you know all your hardware components will memory map into the top 0.5 GB (and unfortunately the Dells we got only do 3GB on 32-bit Windows). There is no way to get an ACTUAL USABLE 4GB in Windows without going to one of the 64-bit versions of Windows and with all the memory and driver issues there, you're not gaining anything on a consumer machine.
    • by LKM ( 227954 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @04:15PM (#20146633) Homepage

      Apropos Intel, via []:

      One question that came from the audience wondered why Apple doesn't participate in the "Intel Inside" program, in which PC manufacturers affix the well-known labels to their computers.

      "We like our own stickers better," Jobs said. "Don't get me wrong. We love working with Intel. We're proud to ship Intel products in Macs. They're screamers, and combined with our OS, we've tuned them well. It's just that everyone knows we use Intel processors. We'd rather not tell them about the product that's inside the box."
  • Brushed metal (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Arathon ( 1002016 )
    Am I the only one who thinks it's ironic that they've only recently completely done away with brushed metal in their user interfaces, in favor of a more plastic-y, smooth feel, but are now introducing brushed metal iMacs to replace their plastic-y, smooth-looking old ones?

    I like the change, Some auto-negation bug in the intra-office memo software? "!brushed_metal = brushed_metal....SENT"
  • It's a Web 2.0 app now

    No it's not, because there's no such thing as a "version" of the Internet OR the World Wide Web.

    Just because O'Reilly and a bunch of bloggers like it, doesn't mean you should use it.

  • ... Or to powerfull."

    But your integrated screen can still be to high!

    This is what annoys me the most about the iMac and they didn't fix it. I'm using a 20" iMac at my current client and the screen is about 8-10cm to high for my tast. And you can only pivot it on the iMacs, not raise or lower it. I'd've thought they'd've fixed that with this release. Shame they didn't.

  • iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 2starr ( 202647 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @02:53PM (#20145443) Homepage
    But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers: [] Finally, I can get rid of Office.
    • Re:iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @04:44PM (#20147091)

      But the more important announcement (IMHO) is iWork which now includes Numbers

      Agreed. The feature list and Excel compatibility are a big win for some of us. I'm tired of using MS Office for the Mac, because it is slow and bloated, and prone to crash. A lighter, more nimble competitor is very welcome for my light spreadsheet needs. I avoid OpenOffice on the Mac as well, since it is likewise not really there yet.

      The improvements to Pages also seem significant, with some real layout power (and separate layout and word processing modes). Hopefully this will make for a lightweight Framemaker/InDesign replacement for smaller jobs. In fact, the main thing missing from iWork for my needs is ODF support.

    • Re:iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Informative)

      by elysian1 ( 533581 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @04:45PM (#20147107)
      Don't forget, you can download a free trial here: []
    • Re:iWork - Numbers! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by massysett ( 910130 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @06:23PM (#20148829) Homepage
      Any support for OpenDocument in that new iWork? Website doesn't mention it at all.
  • "Here are photos of girls with balloons. I don't want to throw them away, just hide them."
    That is a direct quote of Steve Jobs from the Engadget article. Apparently he accidentally revealed his women popping balloons [] porn on stage, and then tried to hide it.
  • Even laptops have drive bays and PC Card slots ya know, and there's no reason (not even looks) why iMacs couldn't have these features.
  • iMac and VMWare (Score:4, Interesting)

    by SpottedKuh ( 855161 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @03:15PM (#20145757)

    I've been considering a Mac desktop for a while, and now that a new one is out, perhaps I'll buy it.

    One thing I need, though, is to be able to run Linux and OpenBSD in virtual machines on my desktop. Does anyone have any experience with how the new VMWare Fusion compares to VMWare Workstation? Is there any difference between the two (aside from the price, and that unity view for Windows, which does not affect me)? I mean, in terms of features and running other OSes?

  • by MaWeiTao ( 908546 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @03:26PM (#20145913)
    One thing that bothers me is the decision to go with a glass screen. These screens, to me, are nothing more than a fad that help make the display look more impressive on the showroom floor. Once someone has to actually use them day-to-day glass screens are a huge distraction because of all the reflections and glare. This iMac is going to inspire a deluge of crappy glass-covered displays.

    Seeing these new Macs, however, I can't help but wonder why in the hell PC makers don't actually start putting some damn effort into the manufacture and design of their machines. Instead they go for quick, cheap gimmicks like Dell and the goofy interchangeable color covers for their laptops. Even worse are the third party case manufacturers.

    There are a million ideas out there for very elegant designs that could be just as impressive, if not more so, than anything Apple has designed. But instead what are we going to see? Dozens of crappy clones of the Apple design. Either that or half-hearted attempts that scream of cost-cutting over thoughtful design. Even Nintendo couldn't help but cloning the MacBook design with the DS and to a lesser extent the Wii.

    Apple has nice design, but they are far from being the pinnacle of high design. If only other companies weren't cheap and unimaginative.
    • by Frumious Wombat ( 845680 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @05:04PM (#20147355)
      Because the market basically has three segments:

      (1) I need this to get work done and it has to run forever: Lenovo (formerly IBM) and high-end HP. Ugly is fine, as long as it's bullet-proof ugly

      (2) I'm cheap and have no taste: Dell. Absolutely rock-bottom prices, and it has to match my velvet Elvis or corporate posters from

      (3) It's a lifestyle choice, and I'm willing to pay for polish: Apple. They're not that much more expensive (especially the laptops), but getting people to overlook the price on the quad-core monsters is going to take better marketing. Tasteful, unobtrusive, and just let you get whatever it is you do done. Should be offered in Latte.

      Besides, 94%, give or take a Linux box or two run Windows of some flavor. Why shouldn't the look of the machine remind you of the experience you're about to have?
  • by Mr. Picklesworth ( 931427 ) on Tuesday August 07, 2007 @09:14PM (#20150765) Homepage
    That is some ingenious DRM [] on the screen there.

    Try to look at it from any angle other than straight on, and you just see your own reflection. Finally, those damned thieves will pay for their own iMacs and their own movies rather than participate in any of that group thievery people do!

    The MPAA must love this.

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