TiVoToGo for Mac Announced 118
An anonymous reader writes "After much anticipation, some backpedaling, a bite of hope, and a delayed release date, TiVoToGo Mac Edition is here. While there have been some unofficial hacks, those solutions have not been ideal for everyone. With support for transferring shows and burning to DVD/iPod, TiVoToGo is bundled as a part of Roxio's Toast Titanium software that will be announced tomorrow at Macworld."
Too bad, almost sounded useful (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Too bad, almost sounded useful (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't understand, I haven't updated toast 7.0 since it came out and haven't upgraded to 7.1--or whatever it's at now (I'm doing 10.4.8 on a Mac Pro now).
Toast has always been the 'end-all' of burning software since I started using it nearly a decade ago.
These days it can take in raw video, including mpeg2, and burn a DVD with no other software. It'll auto-compress video (and video_ts) to fit DVDs.
Combined with ElGato's software, burning TV shows from Miglia or EyeTV devices can be done without recompression. I used to do this three or 4 times a week, putting 2 hours on each disc.
It even started doing dual layer way before Apple even offered the option.
I've never had compatibility issues, even though I rarely upgrade. In fact, I've never had a single issue with Toast, and I use it for all sorts of crazy stuff.
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As a serious backup program it doesn't work. It doesn't handle backing up open files and I don't even think it has an option to span disks.
Backing up the odd file from your home directory is far easier in the Finder than launching a seperate program.
Music and Photo backups are meaningless now with the builtin apps doing them better.
That leaves movie backup. It does a passable job there, but so
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Toast may be crappy in other ways, but it certainly does have the option to span disks. That's the main reason why I use it.
Of course it it... (Score:2, Funny)
How about DirecTV TiVo ?? (Score:2)
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That's for official support. There are hacks available that allow you to enable the network port(if you have one, otherwise you need to buy a USB ethernet adapter), start a telnet/ftp server, so you can transfer things off via command line. AFAIK, it won't support Tivo2Go.
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My hardware:
DirecTiVo Series 2. The original 40Gig HD was removed and upgraded to a 160Gig drive about 2 years ago.
Powerbook G4 867MHz
Linksys USB100M
Most of the instructions to follow to upgrade HD are in these two threads:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.ph p?t=265929 [tivocommunity.com]
http://www.tivocommuni [tivocommunity.com]
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back PEDALING, not peddling (Score:1, Informative)
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Nonsense. They meant that they went back in time to sell Tivos to people in the past.
"Back Peddling"
Unfortunately... There's DRM (Score:5, Informative)
"Take heed, the software does indeed embed a non-visible watermark of your Media Access key into converted video -- same as the PC kiddo."
Click below for the full details:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/roxio-delivers
Not Exactly (Score:5, Insightful)
If anything, this is the proper way I'd like to see content distributed with protection.
"We'll give you free reign, but we're marking it."
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While DRM is like a four letter word on here, there are good kinds of DRM and bad kinds of DRM. Good DRM will be simple to use and won't get the in way of basic use: watching on your computer, burning to DVD, watching on iPod/PSP, etc. At the same time, good DRM would prevent people from making unlimited copies that could be spread
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About the only annoying features of their DRM is trying to play the songs under Linux. But even then, someone has already found a work around that isn't that difficult. Overall, I hold Apple's DRM up as a good example of DRM. People can use their songs ea
Re:Not Exactly (Score:5, Informative)
No, it's not DRM. It's a watermark. It does not and cannot prevent you from doing anything at all with the video; all it does is provide the content owners with a means of identifying copyright violators, should the video show up in a torrent somewhere.
I agree with shirizaki - this is the proper way for media to be distributed online. This watermark will never be an issue for you until after you've already, publicly violated someone else's copyright.
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I agree also, and wish I had mod points to add an '+1 insightful'.
We've heard lots of complaints on SlashDot about DRM, and I'll agree that DRM is bad.
This ISN'T DRM though. You could transfer the file or convert it for the iPod (I'm assuming the Mac version will suppor
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C'mon, you KNOW somebody's going to do that, if they hadn't already.
Funny, at first I read your comment as calling the first person to do it a 'tool'.....
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Book sellers selling Stripped paper-backs is illegal also, and yet some still do it.
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No, you're not violating copyright (Score:2)
US copyright law does not apply outside of its borders. It is perfectly legal in my jurisdiction to record and rebroadcast (in any form I choose) any transmission.
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It's a privacy violation (Score:2)
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I'd have to say that I agree, this doesn't sound 'bad' to me, although I'll admit I haven't read the full details. But a watermark is the perfect 'DRM', I'd say. No actual restrictions on what you can do, but if the authorities find pirate DVDs sold from a market stall at $2 apiece, or liberally distributed online, they are able to track down the originator through the watermark. Meanwhile, other people who aren't making copies to sell for profit or otherwise distribute (i.e. are only interested in exercisi
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Generations / DRM isn't about copying (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, but to do so you incur a generation loss.
I'm with you though, watermarks are a great alternative to DRM from a user's perspective and from the purported-need perspective. Then you realize that DRM isn't about controlling how many copies of a work you can make, but controlling where and when you can play your media and suddenly the watermark isn't effective DRM anymore.
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Sounds great for the vendor. They get to sell five copies of the song, instead of just one.
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Placeshifting (Score:1)
Does anyone know of hardware that will allow the cable tv to be streamed to a laptop or TV where I can't run coax? She just wants to be able to watch TV in bed.
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I saw this coming. (Score:5, Informative)
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However, the forums [thebenesch.com] state that development will continue for now because of the price!
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Dissappointing (Score:3, Informative)
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Long term storage (Score:2)
Long term storage. I DVRed all of the Expedition Everest episodes on Discovery. In a couple months I'll probably want to watch them again, but I sure don't want them just sitting on my DVR in the meantime taking up space.
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The best you'll be able to do with this (for iTunes, Front Row and iTV integration) is add some applescript to have it convert the videos for iPod use and then drop them into iTunes.
And it iPod resolution, too. Crappity crapcrapcrap.
And thus, my dream of TiVo ends. Looks like it's an El Gato for me.
DRM (Score:2)
I do not care how, but I need to get rid of that DRM. I've tried graphedit and xumxer (msp?), but I'm still not getting sound when I play them through my mediaplayer. Admittedly supposedly graphedit is supposed to prompt for the media access key and I am not getting that prompt. The graphedit created video file is playing fine on my p
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Likely to work with a Series 1? (Score:4, Informative)
Incidentally, for some more of those infamous hacks might I recommend TivoTool for the Mac [tivotool.com] and my own cross-platform TivoPodcast [eruvia.org] for handling podcasts of digital radio.
Cheers,
Ian
Not available without Toast? (Score:4, Informative)
"Roxio is the exclusive official provider of TiVoToGo(TM) for the Mac--and Toast 8 Titanium is the way to get it and enjoy your favorite shows on the Mac, on DVD, and on-the-go."
http://www.tivo.com/mactivotogo/ [tivo.com]
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You have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Mac users wait, and then wait, and then wait some more, and then finally TiVo announces it... for $100? The thing which has been a free download for Windows users for... ever? I'm miffed, but also genuinely curious why they would so obviously spit in the face of their customers like this. Is the Mac port somehow dependent on Toast's technology? Do the
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Anyway, who buys a new copy of Toast? Doesn't every Mac user already have a copy, and can qualify for upgrade pricing?
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Except of course connecting your web browser via https to your tivo's IP address, typing in your MAK, and downloading the .tivo files you want. Like has always been the case. You don't think all PC owning Tivo users have actually been buying that crappy MyDVD thing all this time?!
This new version of Toast is merely the Mac equivalent of tivo-enabled Sonic MyDVD for PeeCees. Actually, Toast is way better than MyDVD so this c
So what. (Score:5, Insightful)
I just want to be able to copy some of our programs to a computer to watch. So I can watch my Sci-Fi when my wife or daughter are watching one of their programs, or so my daughter can watch one of her shows when the TV is otherwise busy.
We have no dvd burner in the computer and no desire to save these shows after viewing. Just want to have another screen to view them on.
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I used to have a Tivo, back when units could still be purchased with a "lifetime subscription". But that unit broke down, and I decided to build a MythTV box instead. Now I pay nothing in monthly subscription fees, and have a much more flexible, customizable system too. (Can't run old arcade games via MAME emulation on a Tivo, nor can you pu
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I'm sure all this new Toast does is handle the https download requests from the Tivo unit internally. You have always been able to do the same manually by pointing a web browser (via https) at your Tivo's IP address, typing in your MAK code, and then downloading the .tivo videofiles. Actually playing them back on anything has been problematic, even on the PeeCee platform.
The "official" way to downl
And... (Score:3, Informative)
"The TiVoToGo feature is not currently available on Series3. This feature will not be available [emphasis mine] on the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo or the original TiVo boxes (TiVo Series1)."
All I want to do is download shows. I've got two hackable TiVos (and even a supported USB/network adapter) but I've never been able to get it to work, and with two jobs, a newborn, and no "spare" PCs anymore, it's difficult for me to try--my last attempt was over a year ago. Are there any reputable services/people that can hack my TiVo for me? I'm not trying to get around TiVo's fees, I just want to have it make shows available for download, and maybe a web-based frontend for recording/deleting shows and the ability to make its daily call over the network would be nice, too. Any suggestions?
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The Tivo software is also at least a full point release behind the Series2, which my folks have and what my DirectTV Tivo claims to be. That's the killer, I believe...my folks Tivo have all the neat features like TivoToGo, etc., which I believe requires version 7 or somesuch, while the DirectTV ones are, from what I understand, permanently at 6-something.
Basically, DirectT
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Start looking here http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay. php?f=8 [tivocommunity.com]
Look for posts regarding the Zipper.
This hack will enable the USB ports and add a bunch of features such as 30second skip,TiVoToGo,a web server,shell,telnet and so on
You will need to purchase 1 or 2 ISO files but,the total for them was like $25
The R-10 model CAN NOT BE HACKED without a hardware modification....period! don't believe the hype...i
$100 vs free (Score:5, Informative)
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Since the Mac OS X software as packaged has a vastly different things feature set than the Windows version, as packaged, it's not an a
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There. Release the software for free on the Mac and it really would be comparable.
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If the PC was bought with a DVD drive preinstalled, or the PC's DVD drive was bought at retail, then the MPEG-2 codec was bundled for free. The only people I can think of who need to "aquire" a codec are people that build their own PCs with OEM DVD drives.
The same thing I wrote above apples
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No, it's not free. You pay less for a burner that doesn't come with software. Same with the Mac. But when you buy a burner with software included for the Mac, you get a copy of Toast - which is far better than the Windows software included with burners. And how many of those burners come with Linux burning software? After all, you said "PC," not "Windows Box."
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Cutting edge of computing design & Function: ~$2400.00
Cost of anuual upgrades: $129.00
Cost of TiVo for Mac: $100.00
Cost of wanting proprietary hardware and operating system: $Expensive$
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now I would have to pay again?
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Re:$100 vs free (and no rebate for new users) (Score:1)
Roxio Discount (Score:5, Informative)
But for those that are into that. If you go to Roxio's site to an invalid URL (Like this one [roxio.com]), you can get a 10% off coupon for their online store.
It's still TiVo - I won't go there (Score:3, Interesting)
I think I'll wait and see what Jobs & Co. have cooked up in the new "iTV" device. Anybody heard anything from the Macworld keynote yet?
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I don't get it (Score:2)
Um, you can call customer service and opt-out of the anonymous tracking of viewing habits. I believe you have been able to since day one.
"forcing downloads of advertising and other content that I don't want"
Most of the advertising content is delivered via recordings of broadcast TV, not download. So far, anyway. The advertising content mainly consists of nicely isolated screens. I'll admit to being a little perplexed as to wh
Re:In other news...another badly ported, late app. (Score:4, Funny)
The main virtue of the Mac platform is that it pisses guys like you off.
Titanium (Score:2)
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It is more suitable for bio-implantation [wikipedia.org] and has the virtually unique property of osseointegration [wikipedia.org].
eyeTV (Score:1)
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"Tivo To Go" is aptly named (Score:1)
Yeah, right. (Score:2)
Stick with TivoDecode/TivoDecode Manager (Score:1)
http://thebenesch.com/tdm/ [thebenesch.com]
Tivo is has been going down the same road other device comp
Now I just need MythTV for Windows! (Score:1)
Then again, if I'm going to complain about the MythTV project, I'll start with MythMusic. Whoever designed the user interface to that plugin should be drawn and quartered. I am honestly planning to use it as a case study in how NOT to design an interface.
WARNING! TiVo transfers are BROKEN (Score:2)
So if you Mac folks dow
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