iPod Nano Scratches Result In Suit 446
Evil W1zard writes "Earlier this week a class action lawsuit against Apple was filed claiming that the iPod Nano has a widespread propensity for scratching easily. The lawsuit alleges that Apple violated state consumer protection statutes, as well as express and implied warranties and charges that Apple knew that there were design problems with the Nano." From the article: "An Apple representative declined to comment on the suit, but Apple has stated that the Nano is made of the same polycarbonate material that's found in previous iPods and maintained that the scratching problem does not appear to be widespread. The lawsuit charges, however, that the Nano contains a thinner coating of resin than on previous iPod models."
Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:3, Interesting)
Notice that this statement is meant to sound like Apple just rigged Grandma's respirator to fail due to shoddy workmanship. While there is certainly damage to the Nano, and the coating process is "clearly defective", I don't buy for a minute the last statment that the players are irrparably damaged. There are plenty ways that Apple can make good without paying a fucking nickle to these assholes.
Mind you, I am no Apple fanboy and am not against filing law suits when people are being scammed, but this suit is just one more reason to ship lawyers to the Moon to minimize contamination of the rest of the world's population.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:3, Insightful)
It doesn't sound like that at all...in fact it just sounds like a lawyer utilizing strong language - which is
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:5, Insightful)
Just because other places are fucked up, doesn't mean apple gets to sell defective stuff (assuming that it is defective). The arguments have nothing to do with eachother...
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:2)
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:4, Insightful)
Maybe, maybe not. But what the FUCK does that have to do with ipod's? Nothing except they are a luxury.
The problem I think with your statement is that it implies more or less that having anything is wrong. I work 10 - 12 hours a day in a very tough industry. I pay 42% taxes off the top... at what point am I *ALLOWED* to have an ipod? If im not allowed to have anything, whats my incentive for working at all? If nobody worked then nobody would have anything. So to all of you who like to act righetous about conditions in 3rd world countries ... just remember it takes a LOT of people and a LOT of human energy and commerce to build the comforts and luxuries you want 3rd worlders to have access to.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:3, Interesting)
Seriously, when TV was introduced birthrates dropped right off.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:2, Insightful)
If your willing to pay a couple hundred for an iPod, then set aside another 20 dollars and get yourself a case to put it in.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:5, Funny)
Get up off your fat ass or out of your ridiculous-looking jogging outfit (which incidentally looks like Richard Simmons beat you over the head and swapped your wardrobe for his) and get your butt down to the nearest cheap-ass Quinton Q. Slimey Attorney's With The Moral Sense Of Horny Bonobo Chimps On Viagra. We'll make Apple pay for your extreme scratching, for your plastic hemerroids that have so damaged your ability to listen to your stolen MP3 tunes.
Look for us in the Yellow Pages, right under Flush Toilets.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:3, Interesting)
d'oh! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:5, Insightful)
Indeed. "Extreme Scratching" sounds like something you might see on ESPN2.
It's a fucking plastic electronics toy. Things can scratch it. Holy fuck, get some perspective, people.
Everybody who owns glasses knows that the choice is: "Glare reducing. Scratch Resistant. Inexpensive. Choose two."
So, Apple chose not to put a scratch-resistant surface on the screens of their low-budget flash-based iPod. Big fucking surprise. Can the nano still function if it's scratched? Hell yes. Can scratches be avoided if you are careful with it? Hell yes.
Buy some brass polish, clean off any scratches you have, and spend six bucks on a slip-case for it. Whatever you do, don't sign on for this class action lawsuit, because the same thing will happen that always happens: Apple will settle out of court, you will get a pittance (like, perhaps a $10 iTunes gift card or maybe a can of scratch-removing polish if you are very lucky), and the scumbag lawyers will make millions and then move on to sue the company that signs YOUR paycheck.
Oh yeah, and everybody pays more for fucking everything because paying off asshole law firms like this has become a routine cost of doing business these days, regardless of what you do or how well you do it.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:2)
I'm not spouting falsehoods, I am just utilizing strong lawyer-speak language.
Not irreparably damaged (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:2)
The effect of this is to give the new iPods more 'depth' in their apprence, and a crisper, cleaner, face. Part of why this
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:2)
The problem is that Apple (unusually) did not see the consequences of its design decisions on the perceived value on customer satisfaction. It may have been a mistake, but I shudder to think what will happen when disappointing customers becomes a crime.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I agree with you, but let's consider WATCHES (Score:5, Insightful)
Fundamentally it's a matter of hardness; anything will scratch if it encounters something harder. Hard materials like diamond and sapphire are pretty much inherently expensive. Thus, any material that would be practical for an iPod will scratch.
Aha! HERE is the answer! (Score:3, Funny)
I think you stumbled on the answer to this whole Nano-scratch debacle!
See, people who purchase Nanos are rich, thereby increasing the odds that they will have diamonds annd sapphires bouncing around in their pockets with their mp3 players!
stupid is as stupid is stupid (Score:3, Informative)
And yes, you'll only find this on watches starting around $800 minimum; that's why it's not practical on an iPod! Which was the point of my post, at least.
As for your contention that hard materials are not expensive, can you please present an
Re:I agree with you, but let's consider WATCHES (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I agree with you, but let's consider WATCHES (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I agree with you, but let's consider WATCHES (Score:2)
Re:I agree with you, but let's consider WATCHES (Score:2)
Like the article refuses to say, it's the suits.
Re:Fscking Scumbag Ambulance Chasers (Score:2)
No, what I've said is that there are other avenues other than organizing a class-action lawsuit. The number of complaints of scratching is less than 1% of units sold. There are dealers who have been offering replacements, so why sue?
I didnt know (Score:5, Interesting)
I guess Microsoft and ATI both owe me a few bucks.
Re:I didnt know (Score:5, Funny)
That's a good idea, I'm going to do the same! I'll just save this legal letter I've written to my handy Iomega Zip Drive and then I'll
Re:I didnt know (Score:3, Insightful)
A visit to the return desk always worked for me.
A bad or faulty design is not something to sue over unless that design is harmful in some way. Scratches are not going to really negatively hurt one's life compared to say fire, electrocution, decapitation, and the like.
Hopefully the judge will hear the case, find for the plaintiff, and tell them to return the device to get their money back. Case closed. Everybody wins except the lawyers
Resin (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, well, the nano ITSELF is thinner than previous iPod models...
Re:Resin (Score:2)
Why the need for a Lawsuit? (Score:2, Flamebait)
PDA users have had this problem for a long time, which is why there are brisk sales for PDA screen protectors [palm.com].
<sarcasm>I guess my only question is why they aren't going after those bastard manufacturers who make the plastic and metal items that are responsible for scratching the iPod nanos.</sarcasm>
Re:Why the need for a Lawsuit? (Score:2)
Re:Why the need for a Lawsuit? (Score:3, Insightful)
PDA users have had this problem for a long time, which is why there are brisk sales for PDA screen protectors.
No.. PDA screen protectors are used because you *write* on the screen.. with a stick of plastic. A little bit of sand gets under your stylus and you'll mash it into the screen.
My cellphone lives just fine in my pocket, and doesn't have any visible scratches even though it's 2 years old. My PDA is a few years old, and the only visible scratches are some stylus marks on the screen.
The Nano is poorly
Re:Why the need for a Lawsuit? (Score:2)
nano scratches... (Score:2, Funny)
Don't people ... (Score:2, Insightful)
But I'm new here.
Re:Don't people ... (Score:2)
It's called "multitasking" (Score:2, Insightful)
However, if you're the same troll we used to call "barcode" at Planet Crap (is that site still around?), then you wouldn't understand anyway.
Cheers.
Nanos Scartch Easily (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nanos Scartch Easily (Score:2)
Re:Nanos Scartch Easily (Score:2)
Profit (Score:2)
1. Sell faulty product
2. Sell expensive protectors.
3. Profit !!!!
Of course the resin layer is thinner (Score:4, Funny)
huh? (Score:5, Funny)
I finally got it, though. Someone had their iPod in their suit, which managed to scratch their results.
Re:huh? (Score:3, Funny)
It saved us from a full Apple-free day, though. Google, you're up...!
Re:huh? (Score:2)
Re:huh? (Score:2)
(A bit disappointed in Carnivore24 and Zonk for not spinning the story as "Google To Cure Cancer!", but a weekend's a weekend...)
aluminum was better (Score:5, Insightful)
(I [heart] my iPod mini.)
Re:aluminum was better (Score:2)
Re:aluminum was better (Score:2)
The only part that has scratches is the painted on Apple logo on the back.
Serious Doubts (Score:2, Insightful)
However, I seriously doubt that with REGULAR USE (meaning under normal conditions) wear and tear is such that majority of these Nanos actually can't see the screen.
Re:Serious Doubts (Score:2)
One of the reason for buying Apple stuff as you know is the cool factor. I don't think it's so bad you can't even see the screen, but if it is like the users say, a few weeks of use looks like few months/years old, then the value of such product greatly diminishes. It's like buying a silver Boxster and the paint wears out it's shine (or visu
Re:Serious Doubts (Score:2)
However, I seriously doubt that with REGULAR USE (meaning under normal conditions) wear and tear is such that majority of these Nanos actually can't see the screen.
Mossberg disagrees.
"But, after just under a month of daily use, my own nano is badly scratched, and looks beat up when viewed at an angle. Worse, there are several large scratches across the screen that impede functionality by making text and photos slightly harder to see. I have never tested or owned any portable electronic device that picked up
silliness (Score:2)
Re:silliness (Score:3, Insightful)
Those that scratch easily, but prevent the iPod from getting scratched, and those that don't scratch easily.
The first make little sense to me. You are going to be carrying around a scratched gadget either way, and this way, you will just have to keep paying to replace the protection itself if you want to get rid of the scratches.
The second would be great, but I just don't get why if someone can make a scratch resistant case or cover, can't Apple make the iPod
He's lost it (Score:5, Interesting)
The lawsuit seemed somewhat legitimate until I read this little gem at ipodnn.com http://www.ipodnn.com/news/05/10/21/ipod.nano.laws uit/ [ipodnn.com]
OYFG (Score:5, Funny)
Re:OYFG (Score:2)
Re:He's lost it (Score:3, Insightful)
Also, I used to own a Sony Ericsson t675, that when I bought it, the salesman also had one, and I noticed how scratched up his was. Knowing that this phone would be prone to scratching, to the point that the screen might get cloudy, I took care to not put it in the sam
Why make lawyers richer? (Score:2)
Apple already addressed this (Score:3, Insightful)
what else do these jerkoffs want?
Not widespread? (Score:2, Interesting)
I removed my scratches w/Brasso (Score:5, Informative)
My take: the nano doesn't scratch more than a normal iPod, but it's so small that you're tempted to pocket it, causing more scratches than you would get in the un-pocketable full-size iPods. I see that with the new iPods w/video Apple is now including a *really* basic (fabric?) case. Maybe that was a response to all the talk about the nano. I do think that the nano needs some sort of screen protector or case in order to stay scratch free. I made mine from some old PDA screen protectors.
Re:I removed my scratches w/Brasso (Score:2)
Just don't polish with Brasso too often, or you'll end up without a casing at all.
Re:I removed my scratches w/Brasso (Score:2)
Re:I removed my scratches w/Brasso (Score:2)
Re:I removed my scratches w/Brasso (Score:2)
However, the Nano is worse than other players when it comes to scratching. For example, my Rio Carbon and non-name Chinese players don't have a single scratch on it despite being a year or more old. OTOH, $250 for 4G of flash is not a bad deal.
Re:I removed my scratches w/Brasso (Score:2)
Battery (Score:4, Interesting)
Personal responsibility (Score:2, Interesting)
A little ingenuity (Score:3, Interesting)
True, I shouldn't have to do that; maybe Apple should have used a better material for the screen. In the end I see this as another frivolous lawsuit that's destroying this country.
why are the scratches important (Score:4, Interesting)
NODRTA.
In other news (Score:2)
Oh, wait. This happened already.
Seriously, people. Just don't put your nanos in your pocket along with the car keys and you'll be fine. I hope plaintiffs get their ass handed to them by Apple lawyers.
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Re:What? (Score:2)
Some thoughts.... (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Every iPod I own has gotten scratches.
2. If you don't like scratches, get a case.
3. If you already have scratches, try Brasso [dailey.info] or iCleaner [ipodcleaner.com]. I've tried both and they work well.
Bottom line, scratches are the responsiblity of the owner. GM won't replace your car if YOU scratch it, so why should Apple pay up if your iPod gets scratched. Meaning that if you own an iPod Nano, it's YOUR fault that you have scratches. Please deal with it in a way that does not involve the justice system as it is NOT their problem.
Re:Some thoughts.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple's Fault! Apple's Fault! (Score:5, Informative)
1. Do not keep iPod Nano in the same pocket as your keys.
2. Do not run over iPod Nano with your car: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nano.ars/
3. Do not use iPod Nano to scratch off your lottery tickets. Invest in a quarter, instead.
4. Do not keep iPod Nano in the same pocket as your keys, dumbass: http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/tombstone/839
5. Do not gnaw nervously on iPod Nano.
and finally...
6. Maybe think about investing in a $20 ultra-thin case for iPod Nano: http://www.speckproducts.com/nano-skintight.html [speckproducts.com].
FWIW, in my experience, there are two kinds of people in this world. Those who know how to take care of personal electronics and those who casually throw their new toys in with their spare change. I've had the same iPod for almost 2.5 years now. Still runs fine, still without scratches, and I've taken it jogging, biking, to work, to the bathroom, across state lines, etc. I guess some people just can't have nice things.
Just in... (Score:2, Funny)
People who drive their new cars on the road have begun filing class action lawsuits against major automotive companies such as Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota and Honda claiming that their vehicles are getting damaged when getting into accidents. Ford has responded by saying, "Well, maybe if these idiots knew how to drive without hitting things..."
At least it still works (Score:4, Insightful)
People are being too obsessive about the "status" the iPod gives the owner, and not realizing that it's a damn solid product.
I don't get it... (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't keep it in the same pocket as I do with keys, or other objects. I also run an hour daily, and the nano's in my hand/pocket during this time.
I don't know how people treat their nano - I'm somewhat alarmed at all this. It's an electronic product: treat it as such.
I suppose... (Score:2)
But it will still get me a slice of the class action settlement!
Oh yeah, and see my sig for more details.
Apple people and aesthetics.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Scratch (Score:3, Funny)
ok, I gotta ask... (Score:5, Insightful)
considering that it's not being scratched by the freakin' air, you have to do "something" to it to scratch it. Pay attention, find out what that it, stop doing that. problem solved.
I'm no apple fanboy, but not a big fan of idiots either.
Re:Don't blame APPLE (Score:2)
Their failure to issue a recall, and to basically ignore the problem, opened them up to these sorts of lawsuits, and more importantly to a PR hit.
Re:Don't blame APPLE (Score:2)
Re:Define "works properly" (Score:3, Funny)
no, not really. i still use my ears...
Re:Define "works properly" (Score:2)
Re:What is this garbage (Score:2)
Re:Dumbass lawyers (Score:3, Funny)
This just means that the 50-page book of safety instructions that noone reads will now have a 51st page stating that you should not place the unit next to or touching anything that can scratch it, deface it, mar the surface, or look at it crosseyed.
Dumbass posters (Score:2, Informative)
Knowingly releasing a defective item is not legal, when the defect in question results in irreparable damage to a core function of the product or presents an undisclosed hazard to consumers. There are implied warranties with any product that goes to market, that have the full force of law behind them.
Re:Dumbass posters (Score:2)
Everything suffers normal wear and tear. More so for things that get tossed in pockets.
Lawyers should be a party to the counter suit for such clearly frivolous lawsuits.
Re:Dumbass posters (Score:2)
Re:Dumbass posters (Score:2)
Knowingly releasing a defective item is not legal, when the defect in question results in irreparable damage to a core function of the product or presents an undisclosed hazard to consumers.
My car did not come with a warning that rubbing keys against the finish might scratch it. Does that mean the car company owes me money?
Re:There is some truth to this.... (Score:2)
Re:There is some truth to this.... (Score:2)
Re:It's a little more serious than it sounds. (Score:2)